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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2215.0. "Elevated stays" by COMET::VOITL () Wed Mar 18 1992 20:49

    Hey everybody,
    I would like some others opinions/ideas on elevated chainstays on
    MTB's.  I have an ALPINESTARS XT with elevated stays and I LOVE IT.
    Mark was saying in 2195.3 that elevated stays wont help one when races.
    This I agree with, it is the motor that does this.  It seems to me
    though, that the elevated stays sure do help with traction and the bike
    seems easier to manuver(sp) in tight spots, because it is shorter hub to
    hub than most bikes (I think).  Oh well enough of my babbling, anyone else
    have 2 or 3 cents worth. 
                           Keep Pedallin'
                                Bob
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2215.1Nishiki AlienNQOPS::CLELANDUSIM&T Data Center ServicesTue Mar 24 1992 17:3030
    	Well...
    
    	Ever hear of a bike called the Nishiki Alien?
    
    	I believe it was designed by this dude named Richard Cunningham.
    	(NOT the character from the TV show, happy days)
    
    	This machine was supposedly the first production application of
    	elevated chainstays.
    
    	The design was a solution to the problem of "chainsuck".
    	On a conventional diamond-frame, the chain can become trapped
    	between the chainstay and the rear tire. Mud is the major cause
    	for chainsuck. The clearance between the chain and the rear wheel
    	sidewall can be quite small on some MTB's, so a contant build-up of
    	mud on the rear tire would only decrease this clearance. It's simply
    	a matter of time before the chain will become snagged in this
    	rotating wall of mud. If the chain is grabbed below the chainstay
    	then it will usually slap back up, without any major problems.
    	If the chain is "sucked" in above the chainstay, then it could
    	become trapped as it is dragged down in between the chainstay and
    	the rear tire. In most cases, the rider would be forced to stop
    	and service his machine, NOT the desired affect.
    
    	Elevated chainstays probably won't make you go any faster, but
    	in a race against a conventional MTB, who knows. To be truthful,
    	alot of people are winning races on conventional frames, check out
    	Ned Overend on a Specialized for example. He doesn't seem to be
    	having any problems with chainsuck, at least I don't think he is,
    	you'd have to ask Ned for that one...
2215.2a well-known bikeIOSG::ELLISJJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Mar 25 1992 04:596
    
    I've ridden a Nishiki Alien - they are supposed to be good
    racing-geometry (so to speak) mtb's - but the level of my riding
    was not up to conditions that cause chain-suck.  ;-)
    
    -j
2215.3ALIENated39675::MJOHNSONMatt JohnsonWed Mar 25 1992 11:586
    Of all the MTBs I tried out before buying, the Alien was the one I
    liked least.  The top tube was short, resulting in a crowded riding
    position.  The ride was also very harsh off-road.  It was difficult
    to keep the tires on the ground over rough rock.  Under these 
    circumstances, it was impossible to say what the (much subtler)
    beneficial effects of elevated stays might have been.
2215.4John Tomac, Rishi GrewalNQOPS::CLELANDUSIM&T Data Center ServicesWed Mar 25 1992 13:0620
    	I wonder if the Alien is still in production, I haven't seen a
    	Nishiki catalog lately...
    
    	Perhaps front-end suspension would help to keep the front wheel
    	on the ground? Also driving up the price of the bike?
    
    	I am unable to shell out mountains of cash for the benefit of
    	elevated chainstays. But then when compared with the cost of other
    	high-end MTB's, there probably isn't much of a difference.
    
    	John Tomac  (if you don't know who this guy is, look him up!)
    	is sponsored by Raleigh, and most likely gets all his bikes handed
    	to him by servants dressed in robes (just joshin'), and HE doesn't
    	seem to require elevated chainstays.
    
    	Rishi Grewal (Alexi Grewal's brother) won the 1991 worlds in Colorado.
    	I'm pretty sure his machine didn't have elevated chainstays either.
    	His legs beat the top dog in mountain biking (1990), Ned Overend.
    	BTW, Rishi pulled a nasty face-plant over his handlebars in that
    	race, he STILL beat Ned to the finish line.