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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2012.0. "Touring in France, advice needed" by JANUS::JACKSON () Tue Jul 23 1991 09:45

Hi everyone,

A friend and I are planning our first cycling holiday. We are thinking of taking
about 11 or 12 days to cycle across France from say Le Havre to the Med.

We guess it must be about 700 miles. Does anyone know a more accurate figure
for this?

A few more questions :

We are planning the trip around mid September. Obviously we'll need to take in
a lot of liquids. What do you experts out there suggest for drinks. Is it easy
to find plentiful supplies of drinking water in France to make up isotonic
drinks and the like ?  Is it harmful to take these drinks for several days ?


The other questions concern getting back. We both live in Reading, UK, and so
need to get back to the North coast of France to get the ferry. What sort of
rules about bicycles do the French railways have ?  Do we need to book the bikes
in advance ?

Any other general touring advice would be welcome.

Thanks,

Paul
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2012.1some French infoSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Jul 23 1991 10:2315
    
    French drinking water: in my experience, the water has been
    excellent (and safe) - not hard to find.  I don't know about
    your isotonic drinks.  You should definitely experiment *before*
    you leave for holiday.
    
    The railways: you can check your bike at the station, and they
    will put it on your train. (It's not like England, where you put
    it on yourself.)  It costs some; not exorbitant.  Make sure the
    train has a baggage car (you can tell from the schedule).
    
    The route: could you use the Race to the Sun route for the last
    part?  (This is Paris-Nice.)  That might be challenging.
    
    -john
2012.2My Hobby, cyclotouring in France42178::WIDDOWSONWed Jul 24 1991 06:00101
    Ah, A note after my own heart.
    
    First I'll counter your questions with some more questions 
    
    - How will you me spending nights (camping, YH, Hotel, following caravan 
      (!))...
    - What sort of cycling do you want to do ? (Hills, noHills, Mountains)
    - Is sightseeing (ie stopping and visiting points of local interest)
      important ?
    - Are you the sort of people who are happy to take things as they turn
      up or do you want things to be strictly organised ?
    
    You needn't answer these questions here but you need at least to ask
    them of yourselves.  I'll try to explain (giving examples from my own
    experiences):
    
    1) How to spend nights.  Tents == extra weight (the weight being
    proportional to the comfort desired) YH's mean less weight but they are
    not always where you want them to be.  Hotels are lighter and best of
    all is to persuade someone to follow you in a car.  These days,
    sybarite that I am I camp for 2-3 days and take one night in a cheap
    hotel.  I have a light tents (~2kg) and equally light sleeping bag.
    
    2) What sort of route to take ?  If you hate hills you want to avoid
    them as much as possible if they are the only thing which makes life
    worthwhile you want to Maximise them.  
    
    3) Sighgtseeing; if you want to do rather more than cycle you want a
    shorter route.  Perhaps you have an interest in something which requires
    a foray off your route - you could imagine skipping a couple of days
    cycling and taking the train for a few hundred km.
    
    4) Go as you please or a strict route.  I like to plan my route, and to
    know what options (routewise) are available to me - it's part of the
    enjoyment.  But I am never bound to a strict schedule - you never know
    what may happen.
    
    ROUTE:
    Michelin has the distance as 969 km (about 600mi); this will almost 
    certainly be via motorway and Paris (both to be avoided)
    
    If I were doing this I would probably go through the Ardennes, the Vosges,
    the Jura and then the Alps. 
    
    A friend did it (in about 14 days) from Dieppe by going south until he
    hit the Loire, following the Loire South until he could cut across to
    the Rhone and then followed that down;  Given a Mistral on the Rhone
    valley this is probably the `easiest route'.  As a development of this 
    you might want to think about are the Central Massive and the Ardeche
    Gorge (follow the Loire to its source and your in the Ardeche...). 
    
    More radical would be to go down to Bordeaux, follow ther Landes to
    (say) Dax and then curt across towards Montpelier.  Or Bordeaux, the
    Gironde Valley and Montpelier.
    
    WATER:
    When I started touring I always bought bottle water.  These days I fill
    up at local fountains in regions where they are available or get cafe
    owners to fill me up.  Two or three bottle carriers are a great
    advantage.  I have never bothered with Isontonic drinks so I cannot
    comment.  My rule of thumb is not to drink out of streams until I'm
    over 2,500m (and I rarely do anyway).
    
    Railways:
    As John I think it was points out what you do with bikes in France is
    check tham as passenger luggage in advance - this costs not very much
    (under 100FF).  5 days delivery is guaranteed but if you chose a route
    which is served by a direct it will be quicker.  I would avoid any
    route which included shipment across paris.  Your best bet may well be
    Nice(or Anywhere along ther coast) to Calais which is served by daily,
    direct trains.
    
    Hints:
    If you can afford them (price + weight) I would recommend the IGN maps.
    
    Start of gently - do 60 or 70 (flat) miles only in the first few days and
    build up gently.  
    
    Eat intelligently - you find that you eat a great deal more than usual.
    I used to get very badly upset stomachs about 2 days into the tour when
    my body couldn't cope with the extra demand for food.  So although it
    sounds obvious, don't cycle immediately after breakfast or sleep
    immediately after supper.
    
    Start early.  If you can be on the road by 7 and finished by 15/16.  It
    will make hunting for accomodoation easier and less hectic (remember
    that `just 15km up the road' can take on herculean proportions after a
    day in the saddle.
    
    When you've got luggage its harder to get out of the saddle so you will
    need what may seem to be ridiculously low gears.
    
    Plan rest days and/or easy days.
    
    Dont forget that France (particularily rural France) shuts between 12:00 
    and 14:00
    
    Above all, have fun.
    
    	Let me know if you need any help with route planning &c
    		rod.