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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
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1970.0. "Prep for MTB Race" by AIMHI::LARSON () Fri Jun 14 1991 22:37

    I am looking for some input from experienced racers.  I have been
    riding both road and MTB for 1 year.  I usually ride 6 days a week if I
    can.  I ride hard enough to be wobbly when I get off the bike.  Both
    bikes are race ready.
    
    Last Sunday I rode my first MTB race at Temple mountain, NH.  It was most
    humbling to say the least.  I rode the beginners class and finished 55
    out of 160+ riders.  I am discouraged at that placing.  I went for the
    fast start and actually was in the top 20 for the first 2 hundred
    yards.  Then it happened.  I was cut off and forced to ride a rain
    ditch for 30 feet.  About 10 riders passed me.  Then there was a short
    downhill.  My right foot popped out of the toe clip.  As I fumbled to
    get back in I lost another 5 places.   I passed 2 riders back before
    the first climb.  Here I bonked and never recovered.  From here on in
    I practiced the "tortoise and hare".  I cranked until I almost died and
    then went real slow.  The steady riders passed me and I couldn't push
    myself hard enough to catch up.
    
    5 of my friends/riding partners  have been riding/racing for 4-5 years in
    the sport class.  I can stay with them pretty well when we 
    hammer.  They can pull away on long climbs but that is to be
    expected.  I have ridden enough where I can spin with them for the most
    part.
    
    I have a few idea's on why I didn't place as well as expected.  Please
    comment without restraint on my pre-race preparation (as if I expected 
    anything less).
    
    
     1.  Friday-I rode hard on for 2 hours, ate lasagna, then I went out 
    drinking withmy friends (who ride but were not racing).  Unknown quantities
     of beer were consumed.  
         
    	Saturday, after 5.5 hours sleep I Jet Skied most of the day till 7:00.
      Went to Brown's in Salisbury for some fried seafood and then went out till 
    12:00. I had 6 beers.  I ate 2 bagels with cream cheese and went to
    bed.  I rose after 6 hours sleep, had a cup of yogurt, 2 bagels and
    went to the race.
    
    
     Bottom line.  A lack of rest kills your stamina, concentration and
    desire.  How many days off do you take (if any) before a race?
    
    2.  Being tired I wasn't able to look ahead.  I know there were more
    than a few places to pass people.  I was content to just follow a rider
    when I could have pulled left/right and rocketed past.  Especially on
    downhills, which were rocky/rooty but I walked the track later and saw
    lines.  Most of my passing occured on downhill sections when I let it
    fly and others grabbed for the brakes.
    
    I should have checked it out before the race.
    
    
    Any comments that lead to a better finish next time will be
    appreciated and acknowledged.
    
    Thanx,
    Mike
          
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1970.1some hintsSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredSat Jun 15 1991 00:3427
    Mike,
    
    If I wrote down my diet and activities as accurately and unsparingly as
    you just did, I'm sure I'd see some room for improvement, too!
    
    You are clearly asking us to remind you that anything more than
    very restrained ingestion of fat (greasy food) and alcohol is 
    detrimental... also, too little sleep is not a big plus.  The night
    before should be relaxed, and emphasize the carbohydrates and
    vegetables (he says as he eats some chili :-)).
    
    Most people lay off the day before a big race, and are careful
    to do not overly much intensity-work the day before that.
    Yesterday I went out with a group for the Thursday night fast ride.
    One of the legendary racing names around here was up front for a
    long while, and then after about 20 miles dropped back, to about
    20-22mph.  I asked why.  Well, Saturday he's riding the NC Road Race
    Championship.  Simple enough.  (He still looked like he was coasting
    up hill, by the way. :-))
    
    To tell if you train effectively, someone would have to see you train.
    But try not to be intense every day.  Six days/week riding is fine;
    just don't make it intense but maybe 3-4 times per week.  You'll get
    more out of it.
    
    Sounds like you do pretty well, though.  Good luck!
    -john
1970.2Seems we have different expectations...FILMS::WIDDOWSONMon Jun 17 1991 06:106
   > I rode the beginners class and finished 55 out of 160+ riders.
    
    Sounds pretty amazing to me.  I've *never* finished that well ....
    (and ditto to everything John says).
    
    rod
1970.3Help With HillsAIMHI::LARSONWed Jun 19 1991 03:5522
    I guess the reason I don't feel like that was an accomplishment is
    because I bonked on the first climb.  I am not experienced enough to
    know when to power a taller gear and when to spin a lower one.  I have
    been experimenting with the 2 and I have noticed that there are places
    where I spin more than necessary so I try (and at times succeed) a
    taller gear.  But when I make a bad decision, trying to power stroke an
    incline that is too steep/long, it is tough to reverse.
    By the time I decide to downshift I am dead until I reach the
    top of the hill where I can finally recover.  By that time I've lost
    alot of time.
    
    If anyone can offer some tips on hill climbing techniques that would be
    great!  I seem to recall somthing about pointing toes slighly less than
    when pedaling on flats.  I know that carrying momentum over the top of
    the hill is key but at this point seems impossible on long climbs.
    
    I know that once I figure where my breaking point "really"  is I'll do
    better.  I am agressive enough on flats (during training rides we toy
    with each other  by passing and upping the pace for a while) and can
    keep with some fast company.  But when we get to climbs, I try to keep
    with them and blow up.  
                                      
1970.4all you need is 10 years experience!DOGONE::WOODBURYWed Jun 19 1991 16:2643
    Just a few comments...  I rode Temple last year and came in 5th !!!
    (of course this was the 'masters' class with 10 entries).  Temple
    is a very technical course.  Last year was really muddy which didn't
    help, but those who had rode before, clearly did better - next race
    you'll be in that group.  The real thing you need is experience (I
    know, just like your father told you...).  You'll learn WHEN to shift
    and to what gear, what are your limits so you don't blow up
    [incidently, you didn't bonk on the first hill, you blew up.  Bonking
    is when you run out of carbo's in the blood -  usually after an hour
    or more of riding.]  You will learn how to fall, and get up quickly
    and learn how not to fall, too.  Learn what foods you can eat while
    riding, and what to eat the days before (a six-pack isn't the best
    carbo-load vehicle - unfortunately!).  Try eating while doing your
    training rides, so you can see the results.  And don't try something
    new on the day of the race.  The big thing here is to learn what you
    are capable of and stay within those limits, so you can last the
    whole race at that pace.  It's more of a rush to 'reel in' those
    honchos who blew by you on the first lap when you're into the third
    and forth laps.  You put them in your sights, and just keep grinding.
    they keep looking over their shoulder, burning themselves out till
    you blow by them.  (I hope this doesn't sound too familiar - from the
    other point of view - but this is what I like about racing.) 
       As for the hills, I'm beginning to think that you just need to get 
    10,000 miles of road riding under you so you have the strength to spin 
    up the hills.  Also, running will help your endurance (I'm told this
    daily, and will probably give in).  For a technical course like Temple,
    it's good to have some really low granny gear (like a 28 tooth) to climb 
    when you are tired.  Now you can pratice spinning on your road bike to 
    get your leg speed up - so when you occasionlly miss a shift (or shift 
    too soon) you can just handle it.  The biggest thing about hills is
    endurance.  Strength is needed for the technical sections.  And guts
    (or lack of brains - no brain, no pain) are needed for the downhills.
       At last year's race, we started 2 minutes after the 'sport's
    started.  I passed a lot of them, but was also lapped by more than a 
    few.  My freind, in Masters, lapped me at the end of 3 laps (4 in all)
    but also PASSED everybody in Sport except the winner! (A sprint to the
    finish line).  He mixes up road riding with the dirt rides, does a lot
    of running, and does strength training with weights.  The point is
    there is ALWAYS somebody who'll be faster than you (even if your name
    is Greg LeMond or Jonny Tomac) and usually a LOT faster.  Just make 
    sure that you enjoy it.   That's the only rule I consistantly abide by.
    
    Mark
1970.5I will try to do it right this timeAIMHI::LARSONWed Jun 19 1991 17:2720
    Thanx Mark,
    
    Are you the guy with the Fat Chance that rides with Stew?   I never
    knew there was a difference between "bonk" and "blow up".  You're
    right, that course didn't have anywhere where you could rest.  It's
    rough and rocky goin' up and ditto on the way down.  I had ridden the
    course 3 weeks before and had to dismount only three times per lap.  
    During the race, traffic and fatigue forced me off more than a dozen times
    in 2 laps.
    
    I'll keep riding and try again in Hillsboro next weekend.   This time
    I'll get plenty of rest before and no poisons will be allowed to enter
    my body.  We'll keep you posted.
    
    For what it's worth, I think the Rapid Fire shifters suck.  The rear
    deraileur works fine but I had all kinds of trouble with the long throw
    used by the front shift lever.  It was so rough on some of the
    downhills that I lost my chain because I couldn't shift to the 46 tooth
    chainring.  I am told that it is adjusted properly.  This will be
    replaced with the above bar shifter.
1970.6it's Mud Man MarkDOGONE::WOODBURYWed Jun 19 1991 22:168
    Yup, I'm the one with the Wicked, and I'm getting my leg speed up
    by chasing Stew around on his road bike.  Of course, I shamed him
    into getting a mountain bike - and it's payback time!  Now he's
    uping the ante to get me running.  This is beginning to sound
    serious.  Anyway, let's hear how you make out at Hillsborough.
    Better yet, tell us where and when that race is being run.....
    
    mark