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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

1969.0. "OAKLEY LENS QUESTION..." by WMOIS::C_GIROUARD () Fri Jun 14 1991 15:45

     One quickie... I need to get another lens for my Oakley Factory
    Pilots... The question is: Does anyone have the experience and
    make a cmparison between the ones with the holes at the top of
    the lense and without?
    
     I have the "no hole" lens now. I was wondering if they helped
    dry persperation that sneaks in past the foam sweat band...
    Wicked problem when climbing...
    
    
     Chip
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1969.1I still pull 'em off on Terrible Mountain.BYCYCL::FISHERIt's SpringFri Jun 14 1991 16:264
    I have not been able to discern any advantage given me by the holes in
    the top of some Oakley lenses.
    
    ed
1969.2MORE, PLEASE...WMOIS::C_GIROUARDFri Jun 14 1991 17:061
     Thanks, Ed... Any other opinions?
1969.3Holes are supposed to prevent foggingMSDSWS::HAYWOODMon Jun 17 1991 14:467
    When I bought my Oakleys I was told that the holes are there to keep 
    the glasses from fogging when it's humid, when you stop, etc.  The
    only lenses with holes that I have seen are clear, which I guess is
    what you would wear in the fog.  I haven't used the holed lenses
    so this is just heresay.
    
    Terry
1969.4HOLES... HOLES... HOLES...WMOIS::C_GIROUARDMon Jun 17 1991 15:268
     I have seen the "holed" version in iridium and a variety of
    colors...
    
     I was just curious... When mine fog now, I just turn my head to the
    left or right when riding slow or into a breeze when hanging out after
    a ride... 
    
      Chip
1969.5it's just anohter case of more for less, or less for more in this case.NOVA::FISHERIt's SpringMon Jun 17 1991 15:494
    I fog 'em up, holes or no holes when climbing long hills.  I either
    let 'em hang or put 'em in my pocket in those cases.
    
    ed
1969.6EXPRES::HUIMon Jun 17 1991 16:014
    The only time they really fog up o me is when I use them for skiing.
    I think the hole version cost a couple of dollars more also.
    
    Huey
1969.7Holes work better in doughnuts tooBAGELS::GOTANTASMon Jun 17 1991 19:2413
    First off, they ain't called Factory Pilots anymore. The new name is
    Oakley Eyeshades...
    I have both types (ventilated and non-ventilated) of lenses and I think
    that the holes do help to reduce fogging, especially on hot 'n humid
    days. The best thing to do to stop/reduce the fogging is take your
    helmet off...but only when you're not riding. Once you start moving
    again the fog usually dissipates.
    
    What color lense are you looking for?
    
    
    Pete
    
1969.8PRECIOUS METALS?WMOIS::C_GIROUARDTue Jun 18 1991 09:4813
     I'm looking for the gray (smoked)... I already have the yellow
    lenses for overcast/gloomy days.
    
     Ya, I know they changed the name... I guess they thought they could
    charge a little more if they disguised them as a new model :-)...
    
     There new model (can't remember the name) I see is going for $160.00
    at Gamache's... Sheesh, when did plastic become a precious metal????
    I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    platinum, and gold...
    
    Chip
    
1969.9:-(NOVA::FISHERIt's SpringTue Jun 18 1991 10:406
    RE: "I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    platinum, and gold..."
    
    It's there isn't it?  Under "Oil"?
    
    ed
1969.10FILMS::WIDDOWSONXQP = eXempt from Quality ProceduresTue Jun 18 1991 10:448
    >                <<< Note 1969.8 by WMOIS::C_GIROUARD >>>
    >                         -< PRECIOUS METALS? >-
    >I guess we'll be seeing plastic listed in the NYSE  under silver,
    >platinum, and gold...
    
    We're not forgetting Titanium are we, Chip ?
    
    rod
1969.11TITANIUM IS IN MY BLOOD!WMOIS::C_GIROUARDTue Jun 18 1991 11:418
     I could never forget titanium! I guess we should be thankful 
    OAKLEY hasn't thought of it as frame material too...
    
     Gee, a $500.00 pair of shades. Hmmmm...
    
       Chip
    
     P.S. This subject is one of my MAJOR pet peeves! Anyone else?
1969.12the marketing messageSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Jun 18 1991 13:2012
    
    Me too, Chip.  I bought some Shades/Factory Pilots last year
    for a practical reason, and was only consoled because of the
    money saved on not buying a still more ludicrously priced model.
    
    As long as there's "excess disposable income" there will likely
    be entrepreneurial vultures circling overhead to rid us of it.
    
    I guess before cycling became a Fashion Statement, we weren't such a
    target for these people.  Alas... 
    
    -john
1969.13There weren't as many products to chose from either.NOVA::FISHERIt's SpringTue Jun 18 1991 13:374
    When we weren't a target for these vultures, there weren't so many
    arrows for them to aim at us either.
    
    ed
1969.14Glasses have carbon frames tooBAGELS::GOTANTASTue Jun 18 1991 15:1213
    
    Chip,
    
    	I may have an extra gray (smoked) lense around, but it doesn't have
    	the holes (non-ventilated). I'll look for it tonight and will let
    	you know. I'm using the Iridium lense in my Eyeshades now, and
    	change to an orange lense for cloudy/overcast days.
    
    	The new glasses from Oakley are the "Mumbo" (M-frame). They're very
    	light and comfortable, but too expensive...
    
    Pete
    
1969.15THANKS GUYS...WMOIS::C_GIROUARDTue Jun 18 1991 15:286
      Thanks John & Pete... I think this table scrap (me) would rather
    sink his money into a critical item like a seat shifter or ceramic
    based handle bar tape or a Greg LeMond/Raul Alcala heart/lung trans-
    plant :-)
    
     Chip
1969.16Safety affected by costDPDMAI::GUYERThu Jun 27 1991 13:4310
    You hit one of my hot buttons, outrageous prices.  I remember when this
    was a cheap sport.  My biggest issue is helmuts.  Here we are all
    working hard to promote the use of helmuts and the cheapest one you can
    buy is 40 bucks and they go over a hundred.  Sure, your head is worth a
    lot more than that but a helmut can't cost more than a few bucks to
    make and maybe there's a couple for testing and compliance.  If we
    really want to see the younger folks wear them we gatta make them
    affordable.  This probably belongs in the helmut note but do think
    prices are getting unrealistically inflated for almost everything
    related to our sport.
1969.17ALEXI::MANDRACCIAThu Jun 27 1991 14:249
	Outrageous prices are relative, after all we are a free market
	society. Most of the teams for the Junior World Cycling championships
	are in town and are buying out everything with Oakley and Scott names
	on them. Apparantly US list price is about half of what these items
	cost elsewhere in the world. One kid from the British team has a 
	Specialized composite tri-spoke wheel on hold; $795.00 is half of
	what he would pay in England. Not only are they grabbing cycling
	equipment, but they are buying running shoes, etc. as well.
1969.18How about insurance?DEBUG::SCHULDTI'm Occupant!Thu Jun 27 1991 14:308
    
    re .16  I wonder what the liability insurance is for a helmet
    manufacturer.  I'd expect that with each helmet sold, a couple bucks go
    just to insure the manufacturer against lawsuits.  How about the
    situation where, if a rider hadn't been wearing a helmet he'd have been
    dead, but with the helmet, he's a vegetable.  Better for the
    manufacturer (liability suit wise) if the guy had been killed!  Not a 
    business I'd care to get into!
1969.19you might have to spend an hour, but...NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurThu Jun 27 1991 14:483
    It's not hard to find helmets for 25 to $30.
    
    ed
1969.20New Glasses? I must be Spring!ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZSign Here X__________Thu Feb 17 1994 16:5828
1969.21STRATA::HUIFri Feb 18 1994 15:0112
1969.22MOVIES::WIDDOWSONOpenVMS engineering, EcosseSat Feb 19 1994 07:579
    The inference I am getting reading this string is that a lot of people
    are giving up contact lenses + sunglasses for prescription sunglasses.
    I use lenses and ordinary Blades to great sucess.  Is there some reason
    why people are giving up lenses?
    
    Or have I missed the point and -.* are those poor unfortunatres who
    cannot use lenses?
    
    /rod
1969.23:>(HERON::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeMon Feb 21 1994 10:382
The response to NOTED:: is like a that of a 3-legged donkey, how about we 
open a contact lens discussion in CYCLE_RACING?
1969.24It's the SweatODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZSign Here X__________Tue Feb 22 1994 02:208
    re: .22
    
    Nope.  I've tried lenses and they didn't work out for me.  In the
    100% humidity and 95 dddegree summers of Atlanta, you ride in constant
    fear of sweat draining into your eyes/lenses.  In a group ride, it can
    be pretty scarey.
    
    Robert rrt
1969.25STRATA::HUITue Feb 22 1994 14:189
    re: .22
    
    Since I only wear contact when I am only playing sports, I think it's kind
    of a hassle cleaning them after wearing them for a few hours. Also, I
    can do water sports with my prescription sunglasses as long as I wear
    a set of Chums eyeglass holder.

    David