Conference noted::bicycle

>    This past Sunday I noticed a new and unuasual rattle coming from
>    my mirror.

    What kind of mirror?
    Helmet or bar mounted?

    	Five years!?!?!?!?!?
    
    	Sheesh!
    
    	I've smashed three in the last two years!
    
    	The six dollar helmet mirrors I've been getting from Bike Nashbar
    	have not been able to withstand constant day-in/day-out abuse.
    
    	I'd have to say you've gotten your investment out of your mirror.

    It's a Myrrycle(sp?) brand that mounts over the brake lever and
    hood. To replace it I would have to disconnect the brake cable,
    remove the hood, and unscrew it(there is a small nut that sits inside
    the brake lever.

    
    
    I would probably try one of those epoxy glues. You know the kind
    that come in 2 tubes and you got to mix them together.
    
    Or maybe one of those super glues, the kind that instantaneously
    make your fingers stick together or to the object you are gluing.

Super glue won't work on some materials. There are glues made for the purpose
of gluing glass to stuff. You might even want to stop at a glass place and see
if they might have a big bucket of the stuff. They might just give you a small
amount, or fix it for you while you wait.

Tom

>    	1. How do I remove the old glue?
>    	2. What type of glue should I use to put it back together?
    
    Not sure about the geometries you are dealing  with.    How about an
    exacto knife or  razor  blade?  A medium grade of sandpaper may take
    off what a blade can't get at.
    
    As far as adhesive  goes,  a good brand name to look for is Loctite.
    They  have  a version of  their  superbonder  with  primer  that  is
    formulated especially for mirror/glass applications.   Super glue is
    a watered down version.
    
    Most auto parts stores sell Loctite's mirror  installation kit which
    is  designed  for re-applying auto mirrors to windshields.   The kit
    contains glue, primer and abrasive cleaner.   It is the only thing I
    know that works on glass but may cost more than a new mirror in your
    case.
    
good luck,

John

    A little off the subject -- how do you get used to the helmet mirror? I
    bought it a few days ago in nashbar and am considering taking it back.
    I get a feeling that reminds me of Steve Martin's movie "The Jerk". The
    Optigrab thing, the one that makes one crosseyed.

    I had exactly the same feeling when I got my helmet mirror...
    
    For about the first 4 or 5 rides I kept seeing this huge thing out of
    the corner of my eye - a couple times I spooked myself thinking
    something was about to hit me.  Couldn't see anything behind me, went
    cross-eyed looking through it, etc...
    
    Then, suddenly I adapted and it wasn't a problem anymore.  NOW I can't
    stand being without it.  I can monitor things behind me automatically,
    see cars easily, and watch riders behind me without all the head
    turning.  In fact, on the one occasion I forgot the thing I felt
    totally vulnerable - couldn't see in back...

    It does  take a while to get used to a helmet mirror. One trick is
    to  find  the mirror, and then turn your head to pan over the area
    behind you.

--David

    You know you're hooked on a mirror when you find yourself trying to
    look in it when running, XC skiing, hiking, ...
    
    ed

>    You know you're hooked on a mirror when you find yourself trying to
>    look in it when running, XC skiing, hiking, ...
    
...walking down the sidewalk....

And yes, a friend used to try to balance his checkbook in octal....

    So, you are saying I should keep it? I almost decided to turn it in.
    Rode with it yesterday, and found that it is very hard to use. If I
    wear glasses, the thing is just where my lense ends. Hard to focus on
    it. Hopefully I'll go back to contacts, but then the same problem will
    be with sun glasses. I found that I look for cars too often, which
    distracts from looking at the road. And I end up movung the helmet down
    to my forehead. Also there is only one head position in which the thing
    is usable - the slightest movement away, and you are seeing ground or
    the sky in that mirror.

I loved mine; unfortunately the helmet I had got retired and the mirror
wouldn't x-fer to the new hat. It was nice in that it had a looooong 
'stick' - most of the available mirrors seem to be on the end of a short 
stick, and it seems they'd be not far enough out in front for my tastes,
so I haven't coughed up for a new mirror yet. They work real well, but 
I guess you kind of need to get used to the proper head motion to be 
able to quickly view the rear and get your attention back up-front.
Keep after it, and experiment with different mirror positions if you 
can. My first one took several tries to get positioned right.

                                      ken

    I use the one that attaches to my goggles.  It does not move with my
    helmet.  AS for .-1, the shorter the stick the wider the field of view.
    
    ed

    I don't like the idea of having a mirror on my helmet for the simple
    reason that if you go for a spill it's glass that may end up in your
    eyes.  I've got a wide-angle mirror on the end of my handlebars that
    works just fine.
    
    ... Bob
    

	I also have a handlebar attach mirror.  It attaches by
	velcro in about 3 seconds.

	I use it on the road, but usually take it off when in the 
	woods.

	They have them for both flat and drop handlebars.

	Since I am not real good at turning around and looking for
	my wife, the mirror works very good.

	They have them listed in the Performance catalog.  I picked 
	mine up at LL Bean for the same price as the catalog.

	-dick

    RE .18
    
    Sounds like the same one I've got ... with the velcro strap.  I got
    mine at Lechmere for about $5.
    
    ... Bob
    

    I have a rhode gear velcro handlebar mirror...
    bought the helmet mounted third eye mirror...
    didn't like it, went back to handlebar mirror.
    
    Probably the only one with an aero bar, right
    next to a very non-aero mirror.  .02 -kb

    
    Like Ed, I usualy use a Third Eye eyeglass-mounted mirror.  That gives
    the best vision, least vibration, and least eye-strain.
    
    I've also used the model for foam helmets and the one for hardshell
    helmets.  The hardshell helmet model is, for me, very awkward to use:
    it doesn't vibrate, but you have to scrunch your eye up to see it.
    (It's a limitation of where a hardshell sits on your head, I think.)
    
    The model for soft/microshell helmet has good viewing angle, but it
    vibrates in the wind and from the road.  Still, it is acceptable,
    especially if you anchor it with some tape.
    
    So maybe you are suffering from the least easy-to-use model.
    
    cheers,
    -john

    It's been a while since anyone has written anything here.  Any updates
    on mirrors?  I'm concernted that a eyeglasses mount mirror would tend
    to make my glassses try to fall off to one side.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Bob

    I bought the ones that clip to your glasses. You won't feel anything
    respect to weight. They work okay, not great.
    
    Theset-up that goes on your helmet is supposed to provide a much
    greater field of vision.
    
    In one of the magazines (recent but can't remember) they reviewed
    one that attaches directly to the inside of your lens (sunglasses).
    The review was very positive, but I remember tyhem being a little
    pricey.
    
    Chip

    Helmet mounted mirrors rule.
    
    I have the ball-joint kind, and pop the ball out and rough it up so
    it's hard to move except on purpose.  Looks like it's going to outlast
    the helmet.
    
    They give you not only a better field of vision, but can be moved to
    suit your posture so that you need only flick your eyes to see behind
    you.

    i vote for helmut mirrors also.
    
    BUT - i have had to replace the helmut sticky piece twice last summer. i
    only started using the helmut mirror last spring. Seems that since i
    left the helmut in the car all the time, the glue became unsticky. i
    even tried super glue, but that didn't last either.
    
    i've run out of the helmut sticky piece, so i'll have to buy more of
    those or a new mirror kit. the kit is not too expensive, so it won't be
    too bad. now that i'm used to it, i just gotta have one ! (mirroe, that
    is)
    	ann
    

    
     Try a hot glue gun to weld your mirror on...I had the same un-sticky
    problem and solved it with just a dab of hot glue..looks cleaner than
    the slimy glue they give you...
    
    pm

    I use contact cement.  Just don't plan on taking the mirror off anytime
    soon...