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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

1842.0. "advice needed on low-end racing bike" by NODEX::OLEJARZ () Tue Feb 12 1991 18:30

I'm looking for a low-end racing/training bike. I have through most of
the notes in the last year that seemed relevant and had a few questions.
First, a little about my needs. I'm 6' tall and weigh 198-205. I plan
of using the bike for morning training rides, possibly for time trials,
and maybe for the odd century. I am interested in a bike with racing
geometry, and hope to buy a leftover '90 model. I have been looking
at Belmont Wheel Works and International Bike in Brighton.

Here are some bikes I have seen:

1) Miyata 914. Shimano rx100, about 24 lbs,  74 degree seat tube angle.
This bike was reviewed favorably in Bicycling. Once concern of the
reviewer was a taller person getting into proper position. Also, the
58 cm bike only has a 55 cm top tube, while is 1-2 cm smaller than
C-Dale, Trek and Specialized. I am setting up a fit-kit appointment
to see how the bike fits me.

	Price: $519 (about $600 w/Time Sport Clipless Pedals -- 
	Does anyone have any opinions about the Sport vs the Race
	model?)

2) Trek 1400, Shimano 105 SC, 73.5 degree seat tube angle. I liked
the bike when I road but after reading notes about Trek frame problems
I am concerned about durability of the frame given the fact that I
am a heavier rider. Also, how can Trek include 105 components and
Look #66 clipless pedals when other bikes in a similar price class
have rx100 and conventional pedals? Is it less money being spent on
the frame or are they trying to undercut competition to increase market
share. This is possible given the big price increase on the '91 Trek 1400.

	Price: $599 (not sure how much trade in I will get on the Look
	#66 clipless pedals against pedals with rotation)

3) Specialized Sirrus. These are tough to find. The best I can do is
International Bike which will do a swap of components from a Sirrus Triple
58 cm frame with a 60 cm Sirrus (the frames are identical and I need
the 58). People in both bike shops have told me that Specialized uses
a lesser technology in building their frames [TIG welding???]. Is this
really a lesser technology? How can they afford to offer shimano 105 at
such a low price without less going into the frame?

	Price: $519 (about $565 at IB with Time Sports).

A couple of other questions. Given that I will have 205 + 25 = 230
lbs between myself and the bike, what should I do about rims and
tires. Should I go 700x25 or 700x28 on tires or other? Brands?

Any help would really be appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg
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1842.1LJOHUB::CRITZJohn Ellis to ride RAAM '91Tue Feb 12 1991 18:4614
    	Greg,
    
    	I have a 1990 TREK 1400. I'm 6'6" and about 260 lbs.
    	The bike has about 2000 miles on it. No problems so
    	far, although I don't race.
    
    	I run 700X25. I think I'm gonna move to 700X28s because
    	I did have a lot of flats last year during the warmer
    	weather. When the weather got cool, I had less flats.
    
    	The price you mentioned seems low to me. The shops I
    	checked with quoted $700.
    
    	Scott
1842.2Trek 1400 is at International Cycle in BrightonNODEX::OLEJARZTue Feb 12 1991 19:1211
Scott,

Thanks for the feedback. I got that quote on Saturday. They
had to drag on my size out of the cellar and get it together,
it's supposed to be ready for tommorow for me to ride. I liked
the older Trek I rode on Saturday but got concerned over all of
the notes about 1400 frame failures in here last fall. The price
did seem to be marked off of list more than the Sirrus or
Myata.

Greg
1842.3RB1, RB2?SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Feb 12 1991 19:2213
    
    Bicycling magazine (or Bicycle Guide?) also were favorable about
    the Bridgestone RB1 and the less expensive relative, the RB2.
    Both are moderately priced.
    
    Your analysis so far sounds quite incisive.
    
    Good luck.
    -john
    
    PS: The 700-25's might be ok - try especially the Michelin's - 
    they tend to be "oversized" for the number on the sidewall, and
    somewhat more forgiving.
1842.4Trek 2100MARKS::FREREEllas Danzan SolasTue Feb 12 1991 19:5213
    Looking at your initial note, your price range is in the $500-$600
    range.  Correct?
    
    If you are ready to go up a little more in $$, I know of a place in the
    area that can sell you a Trek 2100 carbonfiber bike with 105sc and Look
    rotational pedals (red clips) for $799.  I realize that this may be out 
    of your range but once you've ridden one of these, there is no looking 
    back.
    
    If you want to know more send me mail at JENIN::FRERE or phone me at
    DTN 273-5249 (next week, it will be DTN 227-3969).
    
    Eric
1842.5RUTILE::MACFADYENThe beech forests of AntarcticaWed Feb 13 1991 10:045
    58cm seems a little small for a six-footer. Sure you don't need
    something about the 60cm size?
    
    
    Rod 
1842.6TINCUP::MFORBESThis Space Intentionally Left BlankWed Feb 13 1991 11:429
I have about 5000 miles on my 89 Trek 1400 and I have not had any problems with
the frame.  I cracked a wheel but the warranty took care of it even though it
was out of warranty by 3 months.

re .4

A 2100 for $799?  That's a deal.  Too bad I live in Colorado.  :-(

Mark
1842.7Trek 1400CSSE32::SMITHReality, just a visible imagination?Wed Feb 13 1991 11:439
I was/am still the owner of a Trek 1400 whose frame cracked.  Trek replaced it,
no hassle.  The frame has a lifetime warranty so I wouldn't be too concerned.

Mine is a 62cm and I'm 6'1", 190 lbs.


Cheers,

...Ed
1842.8Get a set of Mavic MA40's in 700x28 for startersGSFSWS::JSMITHChromed CannondaleWed Feb 13 1991 13:2516
    	Greg,
    		I'm about the same size and weight that you are
    	and I would strongly recommend 700x28's for training and
    	then later on get a set of Mavic Open 4 CD's for fast or 
        competative rides.  Your body will thank you for the 28's 
    	on longer training rides over rough country roads and you'll 
    	probably get less flats.
    					_Jerry
    
    	BTW - You could buy a lot of Cannondale in the range you
    	      stated by coming in on the low end and upgrading the
    	      components over time.  The low end frame is virtually
    	      the same as the high end $K frame.  Also, whatever
    	      frame you buy you might want to consider purchasing
    	      it in Nude Hampster since you'll save at least the
    	      price of the new pedals on state tax.
1842.9$799... hmmm...OLDTMR::BROWNWed Feb 13 1991 13:345
    I'm another with a Trek 1200 and closing in on 10,000 miles with no
    frame problems.                  
    
    BTW, I cracked a Schwinn Traveler frame when I was kid... quite an
    accomplishment considering the quantity of steel and my size.
1842.10LJOHUB::CRITZJohn Ellis to ride RAAM '91Wed Feb 13 1991 15:506
    	Kratz,
    
    	It's not your size that broke the Schwinn. It's all that
    	muscle.
    
    	Scott
1842.11YNGSTR::BROWNThu Feb 14 1991 17:155
    Nah... Scott, it was high speed curb hopping that finally did it!
    Wasn't a weld, either... just a clean snap of the frame.  I actually
    rode it for quite a while (what a shimmy!) before somebody told me
    Schwinn frames are guaranteed for life.  Sure enuf, Schwinn replaced
    the frame for free.  Kratz  
1842.12made a decisionNODEX::OLEJARZMon Feb 18 1991 18:4313
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice in this note. 

I decided to buy a '91 Cannondale SR400 instead of the bikes
I wrote of in the base note.  I had  the fit  kit done by John
Allis at Belmont WW and ended up with the 58 cm being the best
fit. It's due in a couple of weeks. After finally riding a
Cannondale in the right size, I ended up liking it best. That
and the fact that buying this years model seemed like fun (I liked
the feel of the SR frame vs the SC frame too, and the 400 only
came in sc last year).

Thanks again,
Greg
1842.13Another C-Date Member :)GSFSWS::JSMITHChromed CannondaleMon Feb 18 1991 19:4213
>I decided to buy a '91 Cannondale SR400 instead of the bikes
>I wrote of in the base note.  I had  the fit  kit done by John
>Allis at Belmont WW and ended up with the 58 cm being the best
>fit. It's due in a couple of weeks. After finally riding a
>Cannondale in the right size, I ended up liking it best. That
>and the fact that buying this years model seemed like fun (I liked
>the feel of the SR frame vs the SC frame too, and the 400 only
>came in sc last year).
    
    	Way-to-go Greg.  Welcome to the Digital Bicycle Club's
    Cannondale SIG.  You won't be disapointed.  
    
    					_Jerry
1842.14thanks for the welcomeNODEX::OLEJARZMon Feb 18 1991 19:536
Jerry,

Thanks for the welcome, I think I made the best decision. Now, I just
have to wait a week or two...

Greg