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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

1644.0. "Can't remove the stem..." by TLE::TLE::SASAKI (Marty Sasaki ZK02-3N30 381-0151) Tue Jul 17 1990 21:58

    I have an old Vita Sprint (mentioned elsewhere in this file) that I am
    slowly upgrading. My latest change was going to be a new stem, my
    current one is a little long. I loosened the allen head bolt and then
    tried to twist the stem out. It wouldn't budge. I then gave the raised
    bolt a tap to loosen the wedge, and the bolt went all of the way down.
    
    The stem still wouldn't move.
    
    Then I took some liquid wrench and squirted it around were the stem
    went into the steering tube (or whatever the tube that goes down into
    the fork is called). I gave the top of the stem a few taps and it still
    wouldn't budge.
    
    I then gave the stem more liquid wrench and few good whacks and still
    no movement.
    
    Okay, before I do anything really drastic (it is amazing the amount of
    destruction that a sawzall is capable of...) I thought I would ask for
    advice.
    
    So, what do I do now? I can't just tighten the bolt and ignore this
    incident (and sell the bike to someone unsuspecting) because I can't
    tighten the bold, it just spins. My guess is that the nut on the wedge
    fell off.
    
    	Marty Sasaki
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1644.1Try this method, then grease the new oneSTARCH::WHALENPersonal Choice is more important than Political CorrectnessTue Jul 17 1990 22:3713
    Well the problem is corrosion that has caused the two pieces to weld
    themselves together.
    
    A technique that might work is to take the wheel off, invert the bike,
    resting the top tube on something firm.  Find something strong, thin
    and long enough to go in to the hole on the bottom side of the steering
    tube (the bolt might work), take your hammer and give it a couple of
    hits.  This may loosen it so that you can remove it.  You may also have
    to remove the brake before doing this.  When you go to put the new one
    in grease it first, this will reduce the probability of corrosion in
    the future.
    
    Rich
1644.2time and temperatureABACUS::GUYERWed Jul 18 1990 13:077
    Give the liquid wrench some time to work before you get crazy. 
    Sometimes even a couple of day, soaking it good every now and then, is
    needed for it work the corrsion loose.  If your bike is steel and your
    stem is aluminum temperature changes might help.  Try to get the frame
    warm and the stem cold (ice bag and a torch?).   Good luck.
    
    Earl
1644.3boil some waterMATE::PJOHNSONWed Jul 18 1990 13:236
    I had a similar problem with my crank set a few years ago.  To apply
    heat I poured boiling water over the crank arm and that did the trick.
    It's worth a try, and it won't harm your bike.
    
    Regards,
    Phil
1644.4Don't ride the bike w/out the wedge in place!!!SUSHI::KMACDONALDHat floating? It's MUD SEASON!Wed Jul 18 1990 13:2611
Might try removing the brake, clamping the fork crown 'twixt a couple blocks of 
wood and try to rotate the HB's. Avoid putting too much stress on the forks,
especially don't try & twist via the fork blades. If you haven't already,
invert the bike and squirt Liq. Wrench in from the bottom too, and give
it plenty of time to work. As another possibility, by inverting the bike you 
may be able to re-connect the stem's lost wedge, too, and a few cycles of
tighten/loosen on that may assist the process. Be careful when using
the BFH, as you can cause a fair amount of damage to things like headsets,
head tube, top tube, etc. if they aren't supported well....
                                 G'luck!
                                 ken
1644.5Vinegar to the rescue!KOOZEE::PAULHUSChris @ MLO6B-2/T13 dtn 223-6871Wed Jul 18 1990 14:107
    	Don't laugh at this, but what you need for a frozen/corroded stem
    is a vinegar bath! Invert the bike and fill the head tube with vinegar.
    Wait a day or so, and it should just twist out. 
    	What you've got is galvanic action corrosion between the aluminum
    stem and the steel steerer tube that comes up from the fork. You want
    to attack this with a mild acid, not a lubricant like liquid wrench.
    Vinegar does the trick.  - Chris
1644.6Thanks!TLE::TLE::SASAKIMarty Sasaki ZK02-3N30 381-0151Wed Jul 18 1990 14:319
    I will give each of the suggestions a try, starting with the last one,
    vinegar (I guess I should get something cheap rather than use my SO's
    Balsamic, herbal vinegar). The stem is aluminum and the tube is steel.
    
    If that doesn't work I'll try the liquid wrench from the bottom...
    
    Thanks for the suggestions, I'll let you know what happens...
    
    	Marty
1644.7Still stuck!TLE::SASAKIMarty Sasaki ZK02-3N30 381-0151Tue Sep 10 1991 17:5617
    Well, it's over a year later and the stem is still firmly attached to
    the fork. I tried longer periods of liquid wrench (from both the bottom
    and the top). I tried the vinegar, which resulted in large amounts of
    rust colored vinegar to leak all over the floor :-). I tried all sorts
    of variations of holding the fork crown and twisting, banging on
    various bits. I even tried the old Coca-cola trick (maybe I should try
    the various types of Coke...).
    
    In the mean time I bought a relatively inexpensive ATB, which doesn't
    ride as nicely as the Vita Sprint, but it does have neato index
    shifting and I don't have to worry as much about road hazards as I did
    with the road bike.
    
    When I get more serious about riding, I'll take the bike into a shop
    and let them try, maybe they'll have better luck...
    
    	Marty
1644.8Try Break-FreeECAD2::CANFIELDTue Sep 24 1991 18:3910
    Marty,
      I don't know if is too late (or where you live) but I use a 
    product called Break-Free CLP (it is product most often used by
    shooters) that might do the trick.  I guy in our group had the
    same problem and this worked.  You should be able to find it
    at most gun stores (or sporting good stores that cater to shooters).
    It comes in both spray and liquid form.  If you live or work in the
    Maynard area there are a few places around that carry it.
    
    Quinn
1644.9I'll give it a try...TLE::SASAKIMarty Sasaki ZK02-3N30 381-0151Tue Sep 24 1991 21:086
    I give it a try. My cheapy ATB isn't nearly as nice as my old bike. It
    certainly can't hurt...
    
    Thanks.
    
    	Marty
1644.10Let it sit a whileECAD2::CANFIELDWed Sep 25 1991 11:433
    Let it sit for a couple of hours.....
    
    Quinn