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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

1632.0. "Belgium bound!" by BODEGA::LAMBERT () Wed Jul 11 1990 05:00

    Hi,
    
       I'm heading to Belgium and the surrounding area for 3 weeks of
    touring in the beginning of September.  I plan to spend at least
    a week in the Ardennes, but the rest of the time is pretty much
    free.  I was thinking of biking down towards the Strasbourg/Colmar
    area and taking a train back.  Is this feasible?  I will be flying
    in and out of Brussels.  I would be interested to hear what 
    people think would be some good areas to see.               
    
       I plan to fly there with my bike.  What is the best way to 
    pack it?  I also will be staying at camping sites most of the time.
    Should I purchase a stove here, or wait and get one there?  What
    kind of fuel is the easiest to get in Europe?
    
       I welcome any suggestions, hints, and advice.  Especially from
    any Europeans in the area. 
    
    Thanks,
    Kevin  
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1632.1Some practical info...SQM::HEMBO::HEMBERTThu Jul 12 1990 19:2875
1632.2Cycling in Belgium - I do it every day.KERBER::GWYNMon Jul 16 1990 08:138
    If you want any specific info send me some mail. I'm an Aussie but I
    work in Brussels. Of interest to you may be maps of all the cycling
    routes in Belgium. Taking bikes on trains is no problem, I do it all
    the time. Every weekend there are are organized rides all over Belgium.
    You may want to leave your panniers behind one day and join one of
    these - a good way to meet some fellow cyclists.
    
    								    Phil
1632.3Check to see if your airline provides bike boxes.ICS::WARDWed Jul 18 1990 16:4230
    To get the bike over there, I'd check to see if your airline provides
    bicycle boxes.  TWA does do this, and it makes it very simplet to take
    a bike over.  Because the box is oversized, you simply have to loosen
    the handlebars and turn them lengthwise.  The only other thing you need
    do is remove the pedals, remembering that the left one loosens in a 
    clockwise direction.  Then you stuff your helmet into the box, put
    your name on it, and seal it up with your ductape.  I find this
    approach
    much easier than taking the bike apart and putting it into a standard-
    size bike box.  
    
    If your airline doesn't provide bike boxes, find out what their policy
    is on bicycles.  Some airlines charge you a fee.  In contrast, TWA
    looks on a bike as a checked luggage, and since it weighs less than
    44 pounds, you're all set.  You can either check your panniers or
    carry them on with you. 
    
    When bike touring, I usually keep my passport, tickets, money, etc in
    a handlebar bag and then carry that with me at all times when I'm not
    on the bike.  A shoulder strap helps, as do shoulder straps for your
    panniers.  They make train stations a lot easier to deal with. 
    
    Get the Michelin maps of Belgium and look for the yellow or white roads
    highlighted in green (it means the road is scenic).  Prepare to spend a
    lot of time understanding these maps so you can avoid highways, etc. 
    The Michelin maps are a pleasure to use. 
    
    I've had wonderful times bike touring.  I hope you do too.
    
    Patrick
1632.4and...KERBER::GWYNThu Jul 19 1990 07:491
    And deflate your tyres!
1632.5luggageTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereThu Jul 19 1990 14:0613
>    And deflate your tyres!

    Who started that rumor??

    Deflating your tires is unnecessary.  The luggage
    compartments are pressurized.  If they weren't, there would be a
    lot of dead poodles and leaking perfume bottles.

    Even if you were taking your bike in the space shuttle
    cargo bay, you could reduce the pressure by 14 psi
    and have the same ride quality.

    -Jeff Bell
1632.6and my water bottle keeps floating away...SUSHI::KMACDONALDHat floating? It's MUD SEASON!Thu Jul 19 1990 14:4912
>    Even if you were taking your bike in the space shuttle
>    cargo bay, you could reduce the pressure by 14 psi
>    and have the same ride quality.

I *seriously* doubt that ride quality would be the same in the space shuttle,
after all, you'd hardly get up to speed and have to turn around :-). Besides,
I doubt that chamois-lined biking spacesuit technology is all that advanced...

However, if I'm asked to do it for NASA, I guess it would be un-patriotic
to refuse... :-)

                                       ken
1632.7:-)NOVA::FISHERDictionary is not.Thu Jul 19 1990 15:236
    You would not need a chamois on the space shuttle anyway.  The G forces
    would be either non-existant or astronomical.  In the formar case,
    saddle abrasion ought not be a problem, in the latter you ought to
    be strapped into your seat.
    
    ed
1632.8JUMBLY::MACFADYENRide that bikeWed Jul 25 1990 16:0610
    I would have thought that clipless pedals, and surely NASA could afford
    those, would obviate the need to be strapped to the seat. However tyre
    adhesion in zero G could be problematic.
    
    Regarding deflating tyres for air travel, it amuses me that airlines
    expect our tyres to explode for the sake of a lousy few psi pressure
    drop. But when I haven't done it, they have.
    
    
    Rod
1632.9Besides, NASA *likes* Velcro...SUSHI::KMACDONALDHat floating? It's MUD SEASON!Wed Jul 25 1990 17:398
>    those, would obviate the need to be strapped to the seat. However tyre
>    adhesion in zero G could be problematic.
    
I had figured you'd need Velcro pile tires and a Velcro hook track. Bit 
more rolling resistance than a good silk, but floating off into space 
could spoil your whole day.....

                          ken
1632.10Gone, gone, gone.NOVA::FISHERDictionary is not.Thu Jul 26 1990 11:073
    Even velcro won't help you if you forget and jump over something.
    
    ed
1632.11SIOG::OSULLIVANJohn O'SullivanThu Jul 26 1990 13:2416
    I toured Belgium 6 years ago. The North is very flat and makes for
    good progress. The South can be very hilly as in "sore fingers pulling
    brakes "  on the way down  and " It's an illusion I can't be in
    my lowest gear already. 
    
    I second what a previous reply said about studying the Michelin
    maps. We wandered on to a major road one day and helped clean the
    door of many a passing car !
    
    I found the area around Namur particularly nice. We stayed in Youth
    Hostels. There is a huge disparity in standards. The one in Namur
    is highly recommended.
    
    Have a great time.
    
    John