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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

1619.0. "ROAD CONDITIONS" by SHARE::DOWEN () Tue Jul 03 1990 14:40

    Did anyone catch 20/20's segment on cycling last Friday night? Not
    sure if it was a rerun. How about the city of Seattle! Now thats
    what most Cities and towns need and don't have, sufficient, ample
    bike paths.
         Sure thats nice to dream about, especially with the costs
    involved. Most Towns, so it seems, lack funds for their local road-
    ways, thats evident as soon as you leave your driveway.
         As the sport of cycling continues to rise, so do the cycling
    related accidents. Popularity, poor safety and my favorite complaint
    hazardous road conditions all contribute to this. What can be done?
         So support your local bike path fund, Oh you don't have one well
    maybe it's time to start.
    
    Doug......Who almost gets picked off trying to avoid potholes.
    
         
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1619.1media bias stinks!WFOV11::SISETue Jul 03 1990 15:1511
    Did you catch Barbra Walters pointed comments about bikers going
    the wrong way on one way streets, and that bike lanes are a waste
    because the bikes don't use them, and how bikes are always weaving
    in and out of traffic causing problems.
    
    What little I saw was enough to make me angry, so pfftttt to the
    "pay" ch.  where I don't have to listen to that crap.
    
    News media bias stinks!!
    
    John 
1619.2SANDS::CRITZWho'll win the TdF in 1990?Tue Jul 03 1990 16:009
    	I saw (and taped) the show.
    
    	I'm convinced that pretty soon, we'll be using more bikes
    	and solar-powered vehicles, so maybe that will cause some
    	changes in road conditions.
    
    	Seattle does seem to have a great attitude about cycling.
    
    	Scott
1619.3JUMBLY::MACFADYENRoadside peachTue Jul 03 1990 16:0732
>                       <<< Note 1619.1 by WFOV11::SISE >>>
>                            -< media bias stinks! >-
>
>    Did you catch Barbra Walters pointed comments about bikers going
>    the wrong way on one way streets, and that bike lanes are a waste
>    because the bikes don't use them, and how bikes are always weaving
>    in and out of traffic causing problems.
    
    She's making some valid points by the sound of it, even if
    accidentally. A lot of cyclists do ignore traffic laws. 
    
    I think the reasoning behind this is that they can pretend to be
    pedestrians where convenient, also one feels as a cyclist that there
    are certain advantages that should be grabbed to make up for the
    disadvantages. For example we get rained on, but why the hell shouldn't
    we advance up a stopped traffic queue?
    
    Bike lanes are a sore point. A local authority can paint a metre-wide
    strip down the side of the road and call that provision for cycling.
    However cars will park on it, it will have the worst road surface, and
    it will disappear just before a roundabout (rotary) or other tricky
    intersection. If the authority goes further and designates a pavement
    (sidewalk) as a cycle lane, then it will twist and turn, go through
    sharp right angles and be covered in broken glass. No wonder many
    cyclists, myself included, prefer to take our chances on the roads.
    
    Long-term, the attitude of drivers has to change. (God, does that look
    like a pitiful hope or what?)
    
    
    Rod
                                          
1619.4just say NO to bike paths/lanesSUSHI::KMACDONALDHat floating? It's MUD SEASON!Mon Jul 09 1990 18:3513
>    sharp right angles and be covered in broken glass. No wonder many
>    cyclists, myself included, prefer to take our chances on the roads.
    
A study was done by somebody (I think he was commissioned by the L.A.W.) 
a number of years back which indicated roughly that you had about a 3-4 
times better (worse?) chance of being seriously injured on a bike path 
or bike lane than by riding in traffic. This due to a number of factors 
- multiple use (joggers/skateboards/etc), bad paving, improper design, 
conflicts with vehicle traffic, etc. The author spoke at our club - his 
conclusion was something to the effect of, bike lanes/paths could be improved, 
but are never going to be as safe as road riding......

                              FWIW, ken
1619.5Good and bad bike lanesBUFFO::BUFFOTue Jul 10 1990 13:3626
While traveling in Munich a few years ago, I noticed a very well-designed
bike lane.  In general, the lane paralleled the roadway, but was separated
from it by either a curb or a small median.  More significantly, it was
separated from the wide sidewalk by a row of trees and 5-10 feet of green
space.  At intersections, there were traffic lights specifically for
the cyclists (small, at riding height).  The pavements, like most German
roadways, were exceptionally smooth and well-marked, even at intersections.
This lane was adjacent to a large, four lane automobile thoroughfare.

For a case study in bad bike lane design, I submit the alleged bike
path along Memorial Drive in Cambridge, MA.  In reality, this is a 
standard-width sidewalk, with curb cuts and ramps at street intersections.  
This is fine for wheelchairs (and hooray for that), but the curb cuts are 
inconsistently placed so that one cannot ride with any speed.  More 
significantly, the sidewalk is almost always crowded with pedestrians, 
joggers, etc., many of whom are equipped with Walkmen and are oblivious 
to the outside world.  This of course didn't prevent an MDC policeman
from telling me to get my bike out of the roadway and onto the bike path!

The moral of the story:  if you can't do it right, don't do it at all.
If your town won't allocate money for a properly-designed bike roadway,
tell them to spend the money instead for safety classes or "Share the
road signs" (a common sight in the Raleigh, NC area) or maps of recommended
roads for cycling.

-David Buffo