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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1097.0. "Advice on Building Guerciotti Frameset " by GLDOA::BOBBITT () Mon Apr 10 1989 17:28

    I recently purchased a Guerrciotte (spelling?) GLX (slx 52cm.)
    frameset.  I have been riding a TREK sport touring bike.  I was
    not able to afford buying a built up Campy Italian bike so I decided
    to by the frame, transfer what components I could from my Trek and
    at a latter date put a new Campy (or maybe Ultegra) groupo on it.
    
    My Trek is equipped with the Shimano Light Action SIS  drive train,  Sakae
    crank, SR pedals,  Sakae Stem and Handlebars, Matrix wheels, SR
    seat post, and Hetta headset.
    
    ( I know it will look funny on  the new bike....but it was all
    I could afford.)  My priority was on getting the right frame with
    the money I had and making due till I could due the components right. 
    
    My questions...
            
    
      
    1.  I need to get a new bottom bracket.  Should I get a the standard
        B.B. for my Sakae crank or try to upgrade to a compatible, but higher
        quality.                                                         
    
    2.  I will need to get a new braze on front der.  Do I go low cost
         shimano 105 or go ahead and get an Athena or comparable and start
        building for the future now.
        
    3.  I was told by the bikeshop I could use my old headset.  I am
        wondering if I should invest in a new one however.  Do they get
        worn to a particular bike?  Will I see an appreciable difference?
        My headset appears to be working just fine now.
        
    4.  Where would you in vest your money first in my upgrade plans?
                           
    THANKS FOR YOUR HELP.  
    
    Brian Bobbitt 
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1097.1Ahh...first race bikeCESARE::JOHNSONTruth is stranger than fictionMon Apr 10 1989 19:2057
    I did practically the same thing two years ago.  I bought an Italian
    racing frame off of a guy when I had no money to spare.  I told
    myself at the time that I'd wait until I had the bucks to outfit
    it right before switching from my FUJI, but....I couldn't stand it!
    
    Like you, I had to start with the BB.  Italian bikes are threaded
    differently than Japanese (English).  Since it was the first thing I
    had to buy (and since I had a compatible Shimano 600 crank), I went all
    out and got a Dura Ace.   Afterwards, I literally went to different
    shops begging for parts.  I'd say, "Do you have any old wheels you're
    getting rid of?" or "Do you have any specials on brakes?"  I was
    fortunate that one store was going out of business at the time;
    I got half-off prices on most things.  When that didn't work, I
    headed out to the Nashbar Outlet -- in fact, I stalked the place
    for weeks on end.  I ended up with a bike that had a hodge-podge
    of decent parts.  Amazingly enough, they have all worked well 
    together (if only different brands of computers did the same!)
    I've also had the pleasure of "upgrading" the components as I got
    the money and spotted deals.  The process is part of what makes
    a bike "yours" rather than just the product of some company.  
    
    As to your specific questions, here are some opinions:
    
    o Most people don't recommend mixing brands of BB and cranks.  
      Somebody who has a copy of Sutherland's could help you out,
      though.  I believe Sakae is owned by some other famous 
      component company (Suntour?), so you might be able to use a
      Suntour Superbe BB with your existing crank. Better yet, you 
      might be able to find a whole Superbe crankset at a bargain price.
      Don't lay out big bucks here, at any rate: most any alloy 
      crankset is good enough that you can't tell the difference.
    
    o Check Nashbar for the derailleur.  They had excellent ones for
      $8 several months ago.  Once again, I've found that virtually
      any front derailleur can shift beautifully -- it's the rear that
      counts.
    
    o You could spend half the cost of a new headset just removing
      and reinstalling your old one.  This must be done professionally.
      Also, spending $30 on a new one will leave your old frame usable.
      Not a bad investment....
    
    o Some things are just going to look goofy on your new frame.
      On my FUJI, the handlebars were short-drop 39cm-wide affairs;
      they drew laughter on the Olmo.  The steering stem was too 
      short, the seatpost too narrow, and the pedals too...uhm...touristy.
      Then there were the gears -- could I legally stick a long-cage
      derailleur on an Italian race bike?  But the upgrade that really
      made a difference was changing the wheels.  Of course, that also
      costs the most!
    
    In the end, you'll probably end up changing everything, at a slightly
    more inflated cost than you would have paid for a complete bike.
    Still, I think it's worth it.  You'll learn a lot about
    interoperability...
    
    MATT
1097.2have frame will travelMCIS2::DELORIEACommon sense isn'tMon Apr 10 1989 19:4534
	I did the same thing with my BASSO frame set.	
      
 >   1.  I need to get a new bottom bracket.  Should I get a the standard
 >       B.B. for my Sakae crank or try to upgrade to a compatible, but higher
 >       quality.                                                         
  
	I got a Campy Chorus crank and BB and had it installed. It was
	something I had in mind to get and it was cheaper to get what I
	wanted once than to get a BB for the original crank, have it installed,
	and later go out and get the Campy. Plus I didn't have the tools to do
	it myself.
  
   > 2.  I will need to get a new braze on front der.  Do I go low cost
   >      shimano 105 or go ahead and get an Athena or comparable and start
   >     building for the future now.
    
	I got a Shimano 600 Ultegra. I love it. Its 100 times better than 105
    
>    3.  I was told by the bikeshop I could use my old headset.  I am
>        wondering if I should invest in a new one however.  Do they get
>        worn to a particular bike?  Will I see an appreciable difference?
>        My headset appears to be working just fine now.
 
	I left my old headset and crank on my old frame so I can easily move
	my components over to my old frame in the winter. 
       
>    4.  Where would you in vest your money first in my upgrade plans?

	Wheels, light and fast...

Tom                           
       
    Brian Bobbitt 

1097.3If you're into readingMABPRO::M_BOOKERMartin Booker, IBM Interconnect Mktg 226-5167Wed Apr 12 1989 15:5814
There's a book out by Frank Berto (who writes and tests for one of the bike 
magazines) about upgrading your bike.

Though I'm not very keen on all of his choices/biases the book is a pretty
complete treatise on most every aftermarket piece and what its really worth
for an upgrade.  You might want to sift through it (its paper back) to find
out about the choices in the particular areas you have questions on.

I've got a copy I can loan you if you're anywhere close to LKG2 or Cambridge.

Happy interoperating,

MAB
226-5167
1097.4The Frame is the Heart of the BikeTOOK::R_WOODBURYwhy silver bullets!?!? ...Wed Apr 12 1989 19:4220
    See other notes re: front derailleur but I would recommend Shimano 600
    for good price/performance.
    
    You've made a good start by concentrating on the heart of the bike: the
    frame. I don't know this for certain, but I think the threads on your
    ITALIAN fork are not the same as the ones on your Trek (BSC). Get a new
    headset and consider having it installed professionally to ensure that
    the races are parallel.
    
    The next most important thing is the wheels. Don't go crazy for the
    most expensive hubs if you're on a budget but *do* get good, light heated
    treated rims and stainless spokes. 
    
    A good crank is expensive but I recommend it too. I am in the processs of 
    restoring an old Atala and have just installed an Athena crank (which I
    got mail order from Branford Bike for a good price) and it's great -
    worth every penny.
    
    Good luck,
    Roger