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Conference noted::bicycle

Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

509.0. "Tires and Tariffs" by WCSM::BUCHANAN (Mike Buchanan, Mt. View, CA) Thu Dec 31 1987 15:45

I've seen mention of this in an earlier note and then again in a magazine
article.  They said that there was a higher import tariff on mountain bikes
with tires larger than 1.5".  Since it seems to be true the questions are why
and how exactly did our elected representatives in Washington come up with the
1.5" figure?  Was there a fierce floor debate with our senators arguing
passionately to save the California mountain bike industry? 

This brings up a second question, how are tires measured?  On my road bike
I run either 700x25 or 700x28.  25 mm is about 1 inch and I never questioned
it since it looked about an inch wide.  28 mm is about 1 1/8 inch, OK.  But
my mountain bike has 26x1.5 tires (beat that damn tariff) and they easily
look 5 times wider than the road bike tires.

While we're on the subject what about rims?  Why is a 700 mm rim smaller than a
27 inch rim when 700 mm is about 27.5 inches? 
                                           
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509.1Just a name...VIKING::WASSERJohn A. WasserThu Dec 31 1987 16:1110
> Why is a 700 mm rim smaller than a 27 inch rim when 700 mm is 27.5 inches? 

	Because a 700C size wheel is not 700mm.  700C is just the name
	of the size.  Too bad it causes so much confusion!

				-John W.

	P.S.  "Water Resist 50M" on a Casio watch has nothing to do
	with 50 meters of depth... just read the instructions. This
	is probably intended to confuse!
509.2Guesses and ConfusionsTALLIS::JBELLWot's..Uh the Deal?Thu Dec 31 1987 18:2443
Question:  why is 700 smaller than 27?

Speculation:
	I think that the problem might have arisen from the fact that the
	wheel size was quoted as the outside diameter of the tire.  If the
	tire was more balloon like, then the same outside size would mean
	a smaller rim.

Gospel:
	When matching tires with rims, the dimension that really matters
	is the bead circumference.  Most new tires are marked with the new
	ISO standard designation of the form XX-YYY, where XX is the width
	in mm and YYY is the bead seat diameter in mm.  For example, a
	narrow 27 inch tire might be 25-630, and a wider 27 inch tire
	might be 30-630.  Sutherland recommends that the diameter be
	within 1mm, or you risk blowouts.

	It might be better if everyone just ignored the "traditional" names
	for wheel sizes.  The old markings vary strangely from country to
	country.  I cribbed the following table  from Sutherlands but I
	left out the ISO width value because it doesn't matter as much for
	fitting the rim.

Bead    ! ISO    !
Circum. ! Mark   ! British  ! French   ! Italian  ! other
--------+--------+----------+----------+----------+-----------------------
2032    ! **-647 ! 28x1-1/4 ! 700      !          !
2016    ! **-642 ! 28x1-3/8 ! 700A     ! 700x35A  ! 28x1-1/2 Swedish
1994    ! **-635 ! 28x1-1/2 ! 700B     ! 28x1-1/2 ! 28x1-5/8 Swedish
1978    ! **-630 ! 27x1-1/4 ! 27x1-1/4 ! 27x1-1/4 !
1955    ! **-622 ! 28x1-3/4 ! 700C     ! 700C     ! 28x1-1/2 Canadian
1876    ! **-597 ! 26x1-1/4 ! 650      ! 650x32   ! 26x1-3/8 Schwinn
1854    ! **-590 ! 26x1-3/8 ! 650A     ! 26x1-3/8 ! 26x1-1/2x1-3/8 Dutch


	If you find that the national markings are confusing, it is
	because they ARE confusing.  Notice that the 700C is actually a 28
	inch wheel.  Notice also that if someone hands you a 28x1-1/2 tire,
	it can be just about any size.  I left out some of the more
	obscure sizes.


	-Jeff Bell