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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

365.0. "sharing the western roads..." by RANCHO::HOLT (Theres always golf and catfish) Sun Jun 28 1987 19:14

    I've wondered how Mass. cyclists get along with other traffic. 
    I'm afraid my favorite riding routes herein N. California
    have become racetracks for motorcycles, some of whom deliberately
    attempt to brush against us at high speed. When I mentioned this
    in the 'box, much flaming resulted. It appears that there are some raw
    nerves over this. Can the DEC cycling community provide some
    background? Maybe I'm missing something....if this is just my problem
    straighten me out.
    
    Bob H
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365.1horror stories...UGSUP6::MCDONALDMon Jun 29 1987 12:3640
    
    I'm a New Hampshire cyclist, and if you been here you know that
    southern New Hampshire can be as bad as Boston sometimes. I have
    had similar problems with traffic in the more urban areas. I am
    not sure what is in the minds of those folks who seem to come as
    close as they can on purpose. Maybe they are incensed at the fact
    that during rush hours I can obey traffic laws and still get to
    destinations in 5 minutes when it takes the auto crowd 30.
    
    I recently saw a documentary on the New York and Boston bicycle courier
    groups (who ignore all traffic laws) and saw on film how drivers
    who have not been hampered by the couriers would go out of the way
    to hassle them. One of the girl riders used a common trick on a
    taxi when he attempted to side swipe her twice at a fairly good
    rate of speed. She layed some serious harm on the guys passenger
    windows and doors with the lock dangling from her bike cable. A
    nasty weapon. While I certainly don't recommend this behavior, it
    seemed nearly life and death at some times with these people. 
    
    I was once trashed at about 11pm while riding on the little island
    of Martha's Vineyard (MA.) by a pickup truck load of crazies. I was riding
    on a bike path which was paralleling the road, but sepearet. They
    stayed along side of me matching my speed and trying to stop me.
    They hurled cases of beer bottles at me, smashing the bottles of
    my bike and finally smashed one of my head (my pre-helmet says).
    I blacked out as went over the handle bars and woke up later sitting
    up to my chin in a tidepool under a bridge with my bike frame around
    my waist. My bike was trashed (bent forks,bent rim, twisted frame).
    A cop saw me dragging myself and my gear up the embankment the next
    morning and threatened to arrest me for sleeping on the side of
    the road. When I described the out of state truck in detail, the
    cop said the island was probably full of them and it would be a
    waste of time to try to find them. Besides, he said, I was okay.
    
    (I still ride Martha's and Nantucket though, they make for terrific
    biking.)
    
    			Any more biking horror stories???
    
    							     * MAC *
365.2Same everywhere, I'm afraid to say.MIST::IVERSONThere's a seeker born every minuteTue Jul 14 1987 23:1452
          re: .0
           ~motorcycle harassment
           >...mentioned in the 'box much flaming resulted.
           >...just my problem...
           
           I just found the "pet peeves" topic in soapbox
           that you were refering to.  Its pretty impressive
           emotional flaming.  Those guys need to get some
           excercise and work off some of that hostility:-)
           I just shot a flaming arrow and left in disgust.
           
           Why somebody as vulnerable as a *motorcyclist*
           would harass cyclist I will especially never figure
           out.(Too dumb to figure we might own big cars too?:-)
           
           It is not "just your problem".  The situation seems
           only slightly better here in the Northwest than
           I remember from all my years of riding in Northern
           California. It was the San Francisco Bay Area where
           a gang piled out of their black Camaro with chains
           canes etc after our lead rider gave them the proper
           hand signal for trying to run our single file group
           off the road.  We finally got through their alchohol
           haze to convince them that someone in the stream
           of cars going by might just act as a witness against
           them.
           
           Is it also universal that "State Patrols" everywhere
           hate cyclists? I know from first hand discussions
           with California (CHP) and Washington state police
           that they want all cyclists off the roads. Harassment
           stories are plentiful. A classic of mine was a
           time when a car load of drunken teenagers, with
           people literally hanging out the windows tried
           to run me off the road(also in the Bay Area). A
           CHP was behind them and gave *me* a citation for
           "not riding as far to the right as possible". I
           would have had to literally dive into a ditch to
           get further over. 

           Why are people so psychologically intimidated by
           cyclists ? Does the All American myth of the cyclist
           as a "sissy" force people to prove that they are
           more macho(macha?) than that guy/gal on that bike
           that is doing something that they *think* they can't
           do?
           
           (Why couldn't fate have thrown me some normal,
           boring interests;-)
           
           Thom