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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

278.0. "headsets" by TALLIS::JBELL (Wot's..Uh the Deal?) Tue Apr 21 1987 17:45

    For the past month or two, my bike has been making a funny noise.
    Whenever I hit the front brakes, there is a single knock sound.
    It also happens if I put some stress on the handle bars.
    
    The headset bearings have no play, so I suspect that the bearing
    races are loose where they are press fit into the frame.
    
    How hard are headsets to replace?  Are there any bike stores in
    the Boston area that sell the tools?  Will it damage the frame if
    I let it wait until next fall?
    
    -Jeff Bell
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278.1The low-tech headset replacement techniqueVIKING::WASSERJohn A. WasserTue Apr 21 1987 18:2224
>    How hard are headsets to replace?  

	Easy.  You can knock the races out of the head tube with a
	long screwdriver or metal rod and a small hammer.  You can
	knock the race off the fork with a medium sized screwdriver
	and a small hammer.  Knock the new races into the head tube
	with a block of wood and a rubber mallet (or see below) and
	assemble everything.  The race on the fork will seat itself
	easily enough.

> Are there any bike stores in the Boston area that sell the tools?  

	If you want to set a headset neatly, you can get a threaded
	rod, two fender (large diameter) washers and a couple of
	nuts.  Run the threaded rod through the head tube and use
	the washers and nuts on each end to squeeze the headset
	races into place.

> Will it damage the frame if I let it wait until next fall?

	The frame may be damaged already...  the slop has to be 
	coming from somewhere.  It seems just as likely that the
	frame tubes are out of round as that the headset is.

278.2Give it a try, but pitfalls may arise....SUSHI::KMACDONALDMacarooned on a Dessert IslandTue Apr 21 1987 21:2413
.1 presents a fairly optimistic view of headset replacement. After 
working in a bike shop for 3 years, my experience was that headset 
replacement is the ONE hardest job on a bike, should anything go wrong.
The scenario in .1 is picture perfect, and may very well work for you - 
I don't mean to discourage you from trying it, but if one of the 
possible gremlins shows up, bag the job and head for the shop.

Note that you should be sure to get a replacement headset with a 
compatible stacking height!!!!!!!!! Last I looked, there were NO 
standards in this area, which caused me a bunch of grief on one of
my bikes.

                                              ken
278.3MELODY::DEHAHNWed Apr 22 1987 12:5433
    
    As .1 mentioned, your frame, if it really has slop in the head tube,
    is already damaged. The only real way to fix it is to have a frame-
    builder build up the area around the inside of the head tube near
    the head lug (very tricky) with brazing material and ream it out
    with the proper reamer. Any other solution, like shimming etc. is
    a kludge and won't last.
    
    I agree with Ken, .1 is an extremely optimistic view of headset
    replacement. Removing the races is a piece of cake, but reinstalling
    takes great care. The upper and lower head tube races must be *exactly*
    parallel or else binding will occur. The best way to do this is
    with the Campy press/reamer tool, which is way out of the home
    handymans price range. The next best thing is to take it to a shop
    which has the tool. Most will install it free if you buy the headset
    from them. Lastly, the threaded rod will work ok if you're *very*
    careful (it's sooooo easy to crush the mating faces of the head
    tube, which means you'll need it recut) and patient. You may have
    to remove and install it, testing for binding, several times until
    it's right.
    
    Ken also mentioned stacking height...there are no standards, except
    the defacto "ours is the same as Campy NR" standard of which there
    are a few. The problem you'll have is your fork steerer tube will
    be too long or too short for the headset locking nut to properly
    seat.
    
    It would cost you maybe $10 max to have it done by a good shop.
    
    It could cost you at least twice that if you muck up the job.
    
    CdH