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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

19.0. "BABY BUGGER INFO" by CHEAPR::NORTON () Mon Feb 03 1986 11:29

Has anybody had experience with using a bugger?  The only ones I'm familiar
with are Cannondale and Eclipse.  Are there others?  Any pros and cons on
brands?  How old does a baby need to be before starting to use one?   Will
it get jounced very much?

I'm concerned about the amount of space they take up on the road.  Does this 
cause problems?  How hard are they to pull?  Is there room to lug around
diapers and other baby essentials, and maybe some groceries, too?

Anything else good to know or avoid?

Thanks!
Kathy
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19.1LSMVAX::MILLERMon Feb 03 1986 12:1722
Kathy, I have no experience with one but have a friend who uses one often.
Dec employee. Greg McConnell. Don't know his node, but he's on the ELF 
database.
I saw an Eclipse last summer and spoke with the user. He compared the trailer
to the Cannondale. Connects to the rear axel vs  the top of the seat tube.
That makes for better cornering.
Passenger faces front. That makes it more comfortable for long tours, seeing
things the right way, you know. Also makes tghe passenger easily viewed from
the riding position.
A transparent screen in front of the passenger makes it comfortable in 
chilly winds and keeps out road dust, etc.
There was also a very large "trunk behind the passenger's seat. Looked as

large as two big panniers.
Finally, the passenger sits down below the axel rather than on top. That
makes for a more comfortable ride(?) and is supposed to be better for 
maintenance and safety.
The person I spoke with writes the tool column for Bicycling mag, and 
lives and works in Brookline. He didn't know where they are being sold 
around here. His was bought in Brookline. I'm sure Eclipse can tell you
who's selling them around here.

19.2CHEAPR::NORTONMon Feb 03 1986 14:3315
Thanks for the tip, Gary.  I talked to Greg and here's what he said:  He's
got a Cannondale bugger.  He has 2 kids who are almost 2 and 4 years old.
He finds the bugger real easy to pull, but this year he and his wife are
thinking about buying another bugger so they can each pull one kid.  His
younger one wears a helmet, the older one doesn't like to wear it.

The bugger is not much wider than the bike itself.  He feels there is almost
no possibility of the bugger going over in case of a crash.

He uses pillows to soften the bumps. 

He started using the bugger when his older child was 1 1/2 years old.  He
feels that any younger than this would be a real problem - the child needs
to be in a sitting position and be able to hold his/her head up.        

19.3SUSHI::KMACDONALDWed Feb 05 1986 12:0514
I had some experience with a bugger a number of years ago. I suspect the 
designs *may* have changed significantly. The type I used had the single 
point of attachment to the seat post. The main thing I felt was that 
when braking, the bugger wanted to keep going - with the seat post 
attachment this means that it feels a bit like someone is picking up your 
bike by the saddle and pushing you forward. It generally feels a bit 
awkward, but then so do panniers. You get accustomed to the "shove" when 
braking fairly soon, I guess.

We took the thing on an overnght camping trip once (about 100 mi. r.t.) 
to haul our goodies. We found that in a strong head- or cross-wind, the 
thing is really a bear. If you have aerodynamic cranks and brake levers, 
this will definitely compensate for them!
                                                             ken
19.4CHEAPR::NORTONWed Feb 05 1986 15:4811
From:	USMRW2::DRIVETTS      4-FEB-1986 09:56
To:	CHEAPR::NORTON
Subj:	BUGGER


On level ground they roll very easy.  You'll hardly know your pulling 
it.  However you will feel it pulling back on you going up hill and
pushing you down hill.  It tracks very well, you can make a U turn on
narrow roads with out any problems.  The width is not to much of a
problem on roads which are not to busy.