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2129.1 | How about... | RDGENG::RUSLING | Dave Rusling REO2 G/E9 830-4380 | Tue Aug 03 1993 19:17 | 6 |
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... one of those locks that fit between the
handbrake and the gear lever so that the
car has its handbrake locked on and is in first.
Dave
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2129.2 | A rotweiler | SUBURB::VEALES | More undercompensated | Tue Aug 03 1993 19:22 | 1 |
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2129.3 | | WIZZER::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Tue Aug 03 1993 19:31 | 14 |
| An autolok. Conversation when wife rings up to say that the car has
been stolen me:"Was the Autolok on ?" wife:"er no". Some months
later after the car has been straightened and reuphostered I get a
phone call. wife:"I've used the Autolok but now reverse doesn't work".
Me:"I don't believe you" (not the exact words but she got the message).
She got home eventually, only having to get out a few times to push the
car backwards when manouevering.
Sure enough she must have crushed the top of the gear lever and it had
to go to the garage to be repaired. (It's an Astra)
However I can still say the car has never been stoled with the Autolok
on, even parked for a week in the back streets of Paris.
tp
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2129.4 | | MANTA::SIMON | WHALE: "Life's a beach and then you die..." | Tue Aug 03 1993 19:48 | 7 |
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Xtine,
Try this sign in the windscreen, I bet it would work...
"This car belongs to Xtine..."
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2129.5 | | YUPPY::CARTER | Windows on the world... | Tue Aug 03 1993 20:12 | 8 |
| Probably....
Even better...
"This car belongs to Xtine's mum..."
Xtine
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2129.6 | Wire steering wheel to H.T. | WOTVAX::BANKSM | Out to Lunch | Tue Aug 03 1993 22:50 | 16 |
2129.7 | | FILTON::PERKINS_S | Close but no cigar! | Wed Aug 04 1993 12:34 | 3 |
| My father always used to leave one of his cars unlocked and on the road
outside the house,the only time it gor broken into......they stole a
microwave that my dad had just bought and had left in the car!
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2129.8 | | YUPPY::CARTER | Windows on the world... | Wed Aug 04 1993 13:33 | 7 |
| If your Fiesta hasn't been stolen since it was fitted that sounds like
its working...
Any idea of the make? Where did you get it?
Xtine
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2129.9 | Look before you sit | AYOU35::WARREN | | Wed Aug 04 1993 14:58 | 8 |
| Dont think you'd be too popular with Mr Police, but I did hear of a chap that
had a block of wood with some nails pointing up from it. He would slide the
block under his seat cover, and obviously, if someone went to steal the car, they
would need to sit down to drive it....
A bit drastic, but you could spot anyone that had tried to steal your car, by
the way they walked or sat !!!!
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2129.10 | | BAHTAT::CARTER_A | Andy Carter..(The Turtle Moves!) | Wed Aug 04 1993 15:48 | 2 |
| A Stop-Lok: dead easy to use, can't forget about, can't sit on it by
accident, very visible, AA recommended.
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2129.11 | NIGHTSTICK is the device that clamps to the steering wheel. | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Wed Aug 04 1993 17:10 | 10 |
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They also offer the money towards your lost No-Claim discount if your
car was stolen whilst the NIGHTSTICK was fitted.
They are not sold through retailers, but advertised frequently on 210.
They also had pamphlets on it in the DECpark Shop, don't know if they
are still there.
Malcolm.
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2129.12 | | PEKING::SMITHRW | Off-duty Rab C Nesbit stunt double | Wed Aug 04 1993 17:30 | 7 |
| The other nice thing about the Nightstick is that if you are attacked
when you are getting back into your car you can beat the crap out of
your assailant in self defence with it.
I think it's also got a torch in one end.
Richard
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2129.13 | Brain Fade | WOTVAX::BANKSM | Out to Lunch | Wed Aug 04 1993 17:46 | 9 |
2129.14 | | YUPPY::CARTER | Windows on the world... | Wed Aug 04 1993 19:04 | 5 |
| How does it work? Does it just make the steering wheel too bulky to
turn?
Xtine
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2129.15 | Look what I hit! | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Wed Aug 04 1993 19:51 | 12 |
| >> <<< Note 2129.12 by PEKING::SMITHRW "Off-duty Rab C Nesbit stunt double" >>>
>>
>> The other nice thing about the Nightstick is that if you are attacked
>> when you are getting back into your car you can beat the crap out of
>> your assailant in self defence with it.
>> I think it's also got a torch in one end.
So you can then see who it was you clobbered? :-)
Another Richard
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2129.16 | | PEKING::SMITHRW | Off-duty Rab C Nesbit stunt double | Wed Aug 04 1993 19:57 | 5 |
| Exactly!
8*)
Richard
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2129.17 | Stand still dammit | AYOU35::WARREN | | Wed Aug 04 1993 20:22 | 7 |
| But first of all you must ask your attacker to stand still a while, until you
take the thing off the steering wheel and fiddle about getting the torch to work.
I'm sure any would be assailant would be only too happy to oblige ;-)
Warren
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2129.18 | How about a yellow boot? | ARRODS::HARDING | Gary Harding, DTN 847-5571 | Thu Aug 05 1993 17:17 | 7 |
| One of my neigbours has got a softtop XR3i which he leaves parked on the
street. His deterant is a Wheel-Clamp!!
As he does take it off from time to time I presume it not just the local boys
in blue taking a dislike to him.
Gary
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2129.19 | Nightstick is available for sale in the DECpark shop! | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Thu Aug 05 1993 18:38 | 18 |
2129.20 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Video ergo ludo | Thu Aug 05 1993 19:22 | 12 |
2129.21 | Diesel's don't have electronic ignition/injection! | HEWIE::RUSSELL | I'm not a free man, I'm a QS-PRMU9-04. | Thu Aug 05 1993 20:00 | 7 |
| re .19 and .20;
I guess the immobilisor is some kind of switch, which disables the engine
management system. But as diesels don't have one, I guess that makes it
harder to do - I wonder how the Pug system does it?
Peter.
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2129.22 | Tis possible, but nit sure how | METSYS::BOOTHE | The Oyster Freak DTN 830-3092 | Thu Aug 05 1993 20:29 | 5 |
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My Mercedes 250 Diesel has an immobiliser - but I have no idea how its done.
Maybe it just cuts of the fuel supply ????
Karen
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2129.23 | The old one's are the best??? | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Thu Aug 05 1993 20:45 | 12 |
| the only way you could imobilize a diesel is cut off the fuel. The
obvious way is interupt the supply to the injector pump solenoid. (Sort
of like the old break the supply to the distributor before new
fangled electronic thingumies came along). However, just like the old
method this could be bypassed by a bit of wire between the terminal
and the battery.
You might have an aditional solenoid further back in the fuel pipe....
but unlikely. My bet is on the simple solution above.
Richard
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2129.24 | | YUPPY::CARTER | Windows on the world... | Fri Aug 06 1993 13:30 | 14 |
| I wouldn't rate the VSL alarm.
On the NISSAN 100 I had prior to leaving the scheme I discovered that
they had fitted a ultrasonic alarm... really useful in a T-BAR...
They came back out and fitted a Microwave as well... this was great you
could now leave the roof off and the alarm didn't constantly go off...
but you could also climb in the roof, rummage around, move from
passenger side to drivers side etc etc... as long as you kept your eye
on the little flashing light, and stopped moving when it speeded up...
Xtine
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2129.25 | Re.20 | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Fri Aug 06 1993 17:26 | 5 |
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I read in the Xantia brochure, that the Diesel Xantia manufacturers
Alarm system does not have an engine Immobiliser. Hence my request for one
on my quote.
Malcolm.
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2129.26 | | WIZZER::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Fri Aug 06 1993 18:34 | 8 |
| > I read in the Xantia brochure, that the Diesel Xantia manufacturers
>Alarm system does not have an engine Immobiliser. Hence my request for one
>on my quote.
I may be missing something here, but how is an ignition
immobiliser going to work on a car with no ignition system?
Ian.
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2129.27 | strictly no | LARVAE::IVES_J | One i-node short of a file system | Fri Aug 06 1993 18:37 | 3 |
| diesels do have a starter motor though , maybe it's a starter motor
disabler.
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2129.28 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Careful with those plums! | Fri Aug 06 1993 18:46 | 4 |
| There are more ways to immobilise an engine than simply to kill the
electrics...
Laurie.
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2129.29 | Answered allready? | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Sun Aug 08 1993 21:27 | 3 |
| read .23.... Note they say ENGINE imobilizer, not IGNITION imobiliser!.
Richard
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2129.30 | | WIZZER::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs and some nuts. | Mon Aug 09 1993 12:39 | 11 |
| >> read .23.... Note they say ENGINE imobilizer, not IGNITION imobiliser!.
The author of .23 says that the Xantia immobilser is only
offered as standard on the petrol models, not the diesel, and has
therefore specified one on his quote. If the one he has
specified is the Citroen one, (with a keypad that requires a
PIN number to be entered) then he will be out of luck as I
understand it is an 'ignition' immobiliser. Of course, I may
be wrong.
Ian.
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2129.31 | | KERNEL::SALMONJ | Jason Salmon | Mon Aug 09 1993 15:56 | 8 |
| re. convertibles / T-Tops
Philips have a car alarm that has interior sensors (I think they call
them Tritronic) which they say are suitable for convertables and will
not go off just because the wind blows or a fly lands on the dashboard.
Does anyone know if they are any good ?
Jason.
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2129.32 | It's not often you are right, but .... | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Mon Aug 09 1993 17:26 | 15 |
| >> read .23.... Note they say ENGINE imobilizer, not IGNITION imobiliser!.
The author of .23 says that the Xantia immobilser is only
offered as standard on the petrol models, not the diesel, and has
therefore specified one on his quote. If the one he has
specified is the Citroen one, (with a keypad that requires a
PIN number to be entered) then he will be out of luck as I
understand it is an 'ignition' immobiliser. Of course, I may
be wrong. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^
Ian.
Yes - you are! Never heard of VSL?
Malcolm.
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2129.33 | Look before you leap! | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Mon Aug 09 1993 21:19 | 15 |
| Will you ALL start re-reading again please.....
.19 (note nineteen!) questions if the Xantia STANDARD immobilizer works on
Diesels, and goes on to state he's put a quote in for the VSL alarm.
I in .23 state how a diesel immobilizer might work (NOT an IGNITION
immobilizer).
.30 states quite rightly that the Citroen one as fitted to the Xantia
is an IGNITION immobiliser.
>32 I don't know what your trying to point out, nowhere does he refute
the existance of the VSL alarm, he's still talking about the Citroen!
Richard
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2129.34 | My 2 cents worth | AYOU35::WARREN | | Tue Aug 10 1993 14:55 | 7 |
| Well, my Dad has a K reg Astra diesel van, and it is fitted with an immobiliser
of some sort. This uses the pin numbers from a clear plastic pad on the steering
column. Apparently, this immobilises about 5 circuits on the van, leaving it
impossible to start without the correct id. - this is a vauxhall system, and
pretty good I think.
Warren
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2129.35 | Immobilisers/Nightsticks and dogs | LARVAE::SMART_A | Resists anything except temptation! | Fri Aug 13 1993 12:52 | 15 |
| The diesel Discovery also has an engine immobiliser fitted as standard
as part of the alarm system. It appears to disable the starter
circuit.
Re .11 and the Nightstick. I read a report somewhere (I think it was
the Caravan Club magazine) that tested one. They got it off the wheel
in about 10 seconds by hitting it with a two pound hammer. When they
cut it in half they found no trace of the hardened steel tube inside
that was meant ti resist hack sawing. Needless to say the
manufacturers said that they were modifying the design!
Best sign I've seen in a parked car with a large doberman sat in it was
"the dog's got the keys"
Alan
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2129.36 | Make sure the steering wheel cant be removed. | CMOTEC::JASPER | | Fri Aug 13 1993 16:34 | 13 |
| ... Nightstick 79 pounds (inc 20% discount) ???
I saw this in the states for $60, about 45 pounds. Someone is making
some serious money here :^)
Find someone who's going to USA & send them to Wallmart !
Wallmart is an ASDA/Halfords type superstore.
Isnt the AA's Nightstick equivalent cheaper ?
Tony.
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2129.37 | Full Immobilisation is the only real way - take out the Distributor Rotor! | CMOTEC::POWELL | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it? | Wed Aug 18 1993 16:21 | 11 |
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I heard this over the weekend - apparently, if the thief wants a
particular car (stolen to order, I suppose) and finds one with a Steering Wheel
clamp or Nightstick type of protection, the usual thing now is to simply cut/saw
through the Steering Wheel either side of the device!!!! A cheap Sports Wheel
from Halfords and no-one would realise the car was stolen!
If you see the construction of Steering Wheels, you'll realise just
how easy this would be!!! A simple Bolt Cutter would do.
Malcolm.
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2129.38 | | WIZDUM::DAVE | Durelli, Gripping Stuff !!! | Wed Aug 18 1993 17:21 | 7 |
| i suppose the same technique could be used for the AutoLok, cut thorough the
base of the Gear Stick. Either drive away with a very short gear stick, or take
in a bit of pipe to put around the stub of gear stick thats left.
Would this be as easy to replace ?
Dave D.
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2129.39 | Parding | TRUCKS::BEATON_S | I Just Look Innocent | Wed Aug 18 1993 17:29 | 24 |
|
I find this hard to believe...
Surely it would be easier to cut the end of the night-stick so that
it's flush with the rim of the steering-wheel...
And second... I have one of those 'cheap' Halfords steering-wheels
fitted to my car, and the new steering wheel required a different type
of 'bush' fitted to allow it to be connected to the car... and it also
took around 40 minutes for Halfords to fit the new wheel.
Mind you, your note doesn't say, but I guess the theives could be
towing the car away and then do the sawing bit at their leisure.
Reargards,
Stephen
Ps: Just in case... the new wheel I had fitted was not for a pose
(although it does match the body colour of the car nicely)... Oh no...
My 205 came with a 2CV stylee steering wheel (very thin rim) and on long
journeys (like over 5 miles) my hands would go to sleep... (pins and
needles) !
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2129.40 | | TRUCKS::BEATON_S | I Just Look Innocent | Wed Aug 18 1993 17:34 | 7 |
| Forget that last bit of tripe on my part...
I've just re-read .37 and understand it now....
I'll leave my reply for your amusement...
Sheesh..
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2129.41 | New anti car theft device | WARNUT::ALLEN | It works better if you plug it in.. | Thu Aug 19 1993 03:14 | 33 |
| Report in last nights Manchester evening news.
An anti theft device invented in the NW has passed a series of
stringent tests at the Motor Insurance Repair Research Centre.
It is expected to be the ONLY mechanical means of protecting cars to be
on the approved list of the Association of British Insurers.
It retails at 160 squid. which will be recouped in under 2 years on
insuance premiums. It clamps the gearbox in reverse and disables the
engine and has defied all known methods of attack. It has been
estimated it could take up to 5 HOURS for the most determined thief to
crack using specialist equipment.
35 cars fitted with this device have been attacked. Not one has been
stolen. It is a push in lock by the drivers seat with over 5 million
different combinations and a hardened steel bolt arresting the gear
selection shaft. It cannot be drilled or picked and has beaten the most
experienced locksmiths.
More than 400 have been fitted with the device, NONE have been stolen.
Most of the items in this Note can be bypassed by the professional
crook in seconds.
The system is available at distributers on Merseyside, Newcastle and
Belfast. A nationwide chain is currently being set up.
If I find out any more, like who the distributers are (the paper is
worse than the BBC for not mentioning the company name!!!) I'll post it
here, unless of course someone beats me to it!
Mikef
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2129.42 | | LARVAE::DRSM04::PATTISON_M | | Thu Aug 19 1993 13:10 | 6 |
| I too have read a report somewhere about this gismo, in this report
they gave a locksmith free reign to have a go at it with whatever tools
he chose (drill, hammer, chisle, crowbar etc.) eventually he gave up
without cracking it.
M:
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2129.43 | | KRAKAR::WARWICK | legacy engineer | Thu Aug 19 1993 14:19 | 2 |
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Better be damn sure not to lose the keys then.
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2129.44 | Seen in Monte Carlo | ARRODS::SMITHA | Il y a une sange, dans l'arbre | Thu Aug 19 1993 17:02 | 9 |
| No, not the wrong topic...
I saw a M5 BMW in the casino car-park a couple of years ago that had the
steering wheel removed ! What's the likelyhood that the car-thief will bring
a suitable spare with him ?
So maybe an option would be the quick-release steering wheels fitted on F1 cars.
How many hundreds of pounds do these cost ? :-{
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2129.45 | Much less exotic - but I was there... | BAHTAT::DODD | | Thu Aug 19 1993 19:25 | 4 |
| A "customised" Morris Minor was seen in the Asda car park in Harrogate
sans steering wheel a few weeks ago so this is obviously spreading.
Andrew
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2129.46 | Radios and steering wheels | BALZAC::62760::DESVIGNES | | Thu Aug 19 1993 19:47 | 13 |
| RE: _sans_ steering wheel.
This gadget is reasonably well-known over here in France and not
all that expensive. Only problem is you have to carry the wheel
everywhere you go, although I suppose you could put it in the same
bag as the radio :-).
The new, improved ones work differently, i.e. the steering wheel
stays in the car, but remains disengaged from the steering column
(will turn, but won't turn the wheels) until a small part is inserted
somewhere. That "key" is a disk with a unique set of grooves and
dimples on it. I suppose you can carry it in the same bag as the
removeable front panel of your radio...
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2129.47 | | WIZZER::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Wed Aug 25 1993 17:49 | 9 |
2129.48 | Anyone seen my steering wheel! | LARVAE::SMITH_JON | JONATHAN SMITH | Mon Nov 08 1993 17:29 | 22 |
|
How' s this then......
I parked my Cavalier GSI 2000 in a pub car park last night, fitted my
Eagle Claw security device to the steering wheel and deadlocked the car
(which also turns on the alarm).
Returned to the car two hours later to find that it had been broken
into by removing the drivers door lock and operating the micro-switch
in the door.
The steering wheel AND the security device were missing along with two
coats from the back seat.
Is there a second-hand market for these security devices, or did the thief
just want one to practice on?
What do you have to do to protect your car......
Jonathan
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2129.49 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Mon Nov 08 1993 17:33 | 5 |
| This is the first time I've heard of a deadlock being overcome.
If it is operated by a microswitch its not exactly a deadlock is it !
Royston
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2129.50 | Not So secure .... | NEWOA::CROME_A | | Mon Nov 08 1993 19:10 | 6 |
| A collegue of mine has has this done to his car about four times now.
At the motor show he mentioned this security weakness to a rep on the Vauxhall
stand and the rep sheepishly agreed it was a known weak point !!!!
Guess what it was a GSi2000 as well !
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2129.51 | ahh.. that answers everything | ARRODS::SMITHA | Il y a une sange, dans l'arbre | Mon Nov 08 1993 20:34 | 14 |
| I think I put in here that the in-laws had their AVIS car nicked four days into
their holiday in Britain.
At the time I couldn't work out how they got past the dead-lock. Seems crazy that
you can get round it by removing the door lock and operating a microswitch.
For what it's worth I strongly believe that you should be able to protect your
property with 'offensive' systems rather than just 'defensive'. As long as you
have a recognised sign/emblem/warning that says "touch this and you could
incur personal injury", and the only way to activate it is to do something that
positively identifies you were trying to take the car (e.g. pressure on drivers
seat, engine running, clutch in, and go for 1st gear) then why be surprised
when the 12" steel spike rushes through the seat cushion ?
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2129.52 | The nightstick has shock sensors. | PEKING::ATKINSA | PRC Vauxman. | Tue Nov 09 1993 10:32 | 8 |
| RE.48 <<what do you use to protect your car>>
I've got an Autolock (gearstick to handbrake), a Nightstick and an
alarm(Vauxhall 902 alarm),deadlocks.
Anyone know of better devices?
Andy.
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2129.53 | Easy to bypass the physical devices... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | Just a SAP fall guy... | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:01 | 17 |
| the nightstick and club are relatively easy for the determined thief to
bypass - they simply cut the top off the gear lever, and force the
steering wheel out of shape (remember it is designed to be deformable),
or cut a piece out of it to release the bar.
The advantage you have is that it will probably come under the
"too difficult" category for most thieves - they'll move onto
a less well protected car.
(one additional option you might consider is getting large bolt fitted
to the floor of the car, and fitting a sturdy chain and padlock round the
steering wheel, and secure it to this bolt. It generates additional
hassle factor.)
The other commonly used alternative is to fit your own wheel clamp.
Peter.
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2129.54 | You can't stop them if they want it! | RUTILE::FARTHING | Has the human race been run? | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:18 | 11 |
| I'd agree with .53. IMHO you are never going to stop the professional car
thief if he wants your car. All you can do is make it less of an easy target
for the casual thief or joyrider. Those who steal cars to order are likely to
be deterred by nothing short of a team of commandos and Rottweilers with PMT!
:^)
You've just got to persuade the average car thief to take an easier target,
unfair as it may seem for Mr Easy Target!
Faz.
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2129.55 | Still worth the effort. | NEWOA::CROME_A | | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:28 | 14 |
| These gearstick to handbrake deterants are absolutely useless.
The theif will probably leave this till last as all he/she has to do is
remove the gearknob and then the deterant. Nearly all gearknobs are removeable,
especially on the Vauxhalls - this is how they replace the cable which lifts
the gate to reverse.
The Knightstick is removeable by cutting the steering wheel.
And if the alarm you have is operated via the deadlocks then that can
be over come by removing the door handle.
A pretty grim picture really - but as .-1 pointed out it will make yours
a little less desirable.
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2129.56 | Take the EMS out and leave a note: | ARRODS::KORMAND | tgif!! | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:35 | 13 |
2129.57 | I'd kinda like to keep the car. | PEKING::ATKINSA | PRC Vauxman. | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:39 | 9 |
|
I'm not saying that the gearstick knob on my Corsa is not removable,but
i've tried like hell to twist it and it's never moved an inch.
Are there any "GOOD" devices out there then?
Andy.
P.S. My alarm is activated by remote and I put the deadlocks on after.
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2129.58 | Buy a Lada ! | NEWOA::FIDO_T | Conation is the key | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:55 | 1 |
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2129.59 | | RUTILE::FARTHING | Has the human race been run? | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:07 | 33 |
2129.60 | | BAHTAT::CARTER_A | If not you, who else? | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:40 | 5 |
| The really clever thief will steal one of those AA relay wagons, and
then just up your expensive cruiser complete with anti-theft devices,
and tootle off!
Andy
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2129.61 | You could be rich... | WOTVAX::BANKSM | Out to Lunch | Tue Nov 09 1993 14:55 | 4 |
2129.62 | | SUBURB::FRENCHS | Semper in excernere | Tue Nov 09 1993 15:11 | 11 |
| The best deterent I heard of was a large unfriendly Alsation half
asleep in the back of he car. The car got broken into and the thief got
in. When he closed the door the dog woke up and started to bark very
loudly. This scared the thief so much that he jumped up and knocked
himself out on the roof.
The owner returned to find the dog, once more asleep, and one would be
thief unconcious in the drivers seat. The police were very happy to
remove the thief with the help of the local ambulance service.
Simon
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2129.63 | | NEWOA::FIDO_T | Conation is the key | Tue Nov 09 1993 16:32 | 4 |
| ...but with what offence was he charged - he certainly hadn't committed
the "taking and driving away" offence !
Terry
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2129.64 | | RUTILE::FARTHING | Has the human race been run? | Tue Nov 09 1993 16:36 | 9 |
| A friend of mine has a police trained Rottweiler. Stopped at traffic lights in
the city, when a thief reaches in through the open passenger window to help
himself to a briefcase on the passenger seat. Afore-mentioned Rottweiler on the
rear seat helps himself to thief's arm, so my friend drives off at a jogging
pace until he finds a handy constable. The thief suffered no injury, the dog
applied just enough pressure to hold him tight! Certainly scared the
proverbial out of him though!
Faz.
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2129.65 | | NEWOA::CROME_A | | Tue Nov 09 1993 17:46 | 5 |
| RE:.63
How about breaking and entering ?
Andy
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2129.66 | | NEWOA::FIDO_T | Conation is the key | Tue Nov 09 1993 17:51 | 3 |
| I thought that only applied to houses
Terry
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2129.67 | | BAHTAT::CARTER_A | If not you, who else? | Tue Nov 09 1993 18:13 | 2 |
| Doesn't sound as if anything was broken, & entering isn't a crime in
itself. How about attempted burglary/robbery?
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2129.68 | | SBPUS4::Mark | | Tue Nov 09 1993 19:10 | 5 |
| the breaking is involved in the entry. Unless no damage was done to the
lock/door etc etc. And he did say that someone had *broken* in.
Mind you, I still don't know if that applies to cars. However, criminal
damage will, not to mention attempted theft.
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2129.69 | tables turned!! | WELCLU::YOUNG | Policemen aren't nasty people | Tue Nov 09 1993 20:54 | 9 |
|
A friend of mine has a Nissan 200sx Turbo so to protect it he got
himself a sophisticated alarm, anti-tamper battery backup etc.......his
house was burgled at the weekend and they took both sets of keys, now
the tables are turned his car is a sitting duck the thieves have both
sets of keys and can let themselves in, but he cant go near it until the
alarm co. get someone out to disable it!!!
Richard
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