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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:	Cars in the UK
Notice:	Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:	COMICS::SHELLEYELD

Created:	Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2584
Total number of notes:	63384

1946.0. "Renault A610 vs 911 (and others)" by KERNEL::SHELLEYR () Fri Nov 06 1992 22:06

    This note is for discussion of the 610 and comparison
    of other high performance cars. (following on from note 1654.33 -
    1654.80)
    
    Roy

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1946.1	some figures	WEOPON::LP12		`Sun Nov 08 1992 03:19`	20
	Yes OK, since I seem to have gotten beaten up for suggesting that a number of high performance 3 litre engines can obtain 250 hp which is what the A610 can achieve only with the aid of a turbo... Make CC HP hp/lit 3 Litre equiv. Honda NSX 2977 274 92 276 BMW M5 3535 315 89 267 Ferrari 348 3405 300 88 264 Alfa 164 Q4 2959 260 88 264 Porsche 968 2990 240 80 241 Merc 2.5-16 2498 197 79 237 Merc 300E24 2962 231 78 234 BMW 325i 2492 192 77 231 Not to mention the M3... However, I quite like the way the A610 looks. -Dave.
1946.2		NEWOA::SAXBY	Mean and Brooklands Green!	`Mon Nov 09 1992 12:03`	4
	But ONLY the NSX is 3 litre, non-turbo and makes the criteria... Mark
1946.3	Huh? What about the Alfa ?, the M3 ?	WEOPON::LP12		`Mon Nov 09 1992 12:23`	1

1946.4		NEWOA::SAXBY	Mean and Brooklands Green!	`Mon Nov 09 1992 12:34`	9
	Sorry, Looking back at the list I see you've said a 164 Q4 (I don't know what that is and I read it as the 155 Q4 which has the turbo Integrale engine). The M3 isn't in the list (although you did mention it, but I was only referring to the list). Mark
1946.5	I know of a 155 Q4 (and it's a turbo)	DUBSWS::KANE_BF	The clot, thickens....	`Mon Nov 09 1992 14:51`	10
	re: .2 Thank you Mark for bringing reality to this "discussion" :-) re: that list Alfa 164 Q4 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Never 'erd of it !
1946.6	Never heard of it	UNTADH::WILCOCKSON	Jock footy, best in Britain	`Mon Nov 09 1992 16:14`	6
	To my knowledge there's no such thing as a 164 Q4 - maybe you mean a 164 Quadrifoglio (Green Cloverleaf), that produces 230 not 260 bhp - or do you know different - if so post the details... Al.
1946.7		ESBS01::RUTTER	Rut The Nut	`Mon Nov 09 1992 19:29`	3
	I guess the 'Q4' Alfa 164 is [intended to mean ?] the 24-valve version ? J.R.
1946.8	No that's the 164 Super [seriously !]	DUBSWS::KANE_BF	The clot, thickens....	`Mon Nov 09 1992 20:00`	0
1946.9		ULYSSE::CHEVAUX	Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584	`Tue Nov 10 1992 13:44`	1
	164 should probably read 155 Q4. But again 260bhp without turbo ?
1946.10		SUBURB::TAYLORG	RIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991	`Tue Nov 10 1992 15:22`	3
	What about the Catham Super Seven HPC 1.7 (170BHP). Grant
1946.11		DUBSWS::KANE_BF	The clot, thickens....	`Tue Nov 10 1992 16:09`	9
1946.12		SUBURB::TAYLORG	RIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991	`Tue Nov 10 1992 19:57`	6
	re-1 I'me talking about the 1.7 Litre HPC (Kent engine) Carb that had 170BHP. Grant
1946.13	once again	WEOPON::LP12		`Thu Nov 12 1992 12:26`	8
	re: .7 The Q4 is the top of the line 164. The 24 valve version of the 3 litre 6. The Q4 is one model up from the (230hp) cloverleaf. Satisfied ? -Dave.
1946.14	Caterham.	NEWOA::SAXBY	Mean and Brooklands Green!	`Thu Nov 12 1992 12:31`	8
	I thought the HPC nomenclature was only used Vauxhall engined Caterhams, but I'm no expert on Dinky cars! :^) Still, even if the 1.7 litre Caterham DOES give 170 BHP, it doesn't have a 3 litre engine OR produce 250 BHP! Mark
1946.15	:-0	DUBSWS::KANE_BF	The clot, thickens....	`Thu Nov 12 1992 12:36`	7
1946.16	mouthfull	WEOPON::LP12		`Thu Nov 12 1992 12:53`	2
	The full name of the Q4 is the Super Cloverleaf Q4 I think. I'll look up full details when I find the mag....
1946.17	As far as I know...	UNTADH::WILCOCKSON	Brrrrrrr	`Thu Nov 12 1992 17:26`	6
	Q4 (if the 155 is anything to go by) means "4 wheel drive" - and I don't think they make a 4wd 164. The "Super" (210bhp) is the top of the range, but has less power than the "Cloverleaf" (230bhp) - both are 24 valve, and neither use the "Q4" in their title.
1946.18		WAYOUT::WAYOUT::LOAT	Bored....Bored....BORED!!!!	`Fri Nov 13 1992 13:46`	6
	The 155 Q4 was featured in last nights 'Top Gear'. Very tasty motor. A Lancia Delta Integrale in a business suit! Steve.
1946.19	maybe, maybe not	WEOPON::LP12		`Sat Nov 14 1992 07:33`	5
	The 164 Q4 does have 4wd. Reading the magazine article, the wording is not clear whether the engine in the Q4 has a turbo - given the context I had assumed additional tweaks for the quad cam Cloverleaf V6. It could be the same unit as in the 155.
1946.20	there will indeed be a 260bhp 164	ZPOVC::GGLOH	Singapore	`Sun Nov 15 1992 16:01`	9
	Quoting straight from AUTOCAR & MOTOR (23 Sep 1992): "...The new Alfa 164 Super range will be powered by 24-valve quad-cam versions of the three-litre V6 engine, boosting power output of the Lusso from 192 to 210 bhp and the Cloverleaf from 200 to 230bhp...The Super range is due to go on sale in the UK in summer 1993 and, shortly after, it will be joined by a new flagship. The 164 Super Cloverleaf Q4 will be powered by a 260 bhp version of the V6 with power driven via a six-speed gearbox through all four wheels..."
1946.21	2 Q4's soon...	UNTADH::WILCOCKSON	Brrrrrrr	`Wed Nov 25 1992 17:46`	12
	re.20 164 Q4... Yup, I agree. I've just read this months CAR, and it says the same - should be good when it arrives. re.the 155 Q4 It's got the same mechanicals (engine, gearbox, 4wd system) as the Integrale, but not the same chassis (unfortuneately) - that it gets from the Tipo. The interior is also a bit Tipoish, or should that be cheapoish? - anyway, it's still quite nice (if a bit ugly, but then I like ugly cars) and you certainly wont see many off them around.