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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:	Cars in the UK
Notice:	Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:	COMICS::SHELLEYELD

Created:	Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2584
Total number of notes:	63384

1924.0. "some people carriers" by EICMFG::DOUGLAS (persistence of revision) Mon Oct 19 1992 20:32

    
    We are examining 'people-carriers' and wondering what the history (or
    future) is on the following versions.  Please comment as you can.
    
    /bd
    
    
        Subaru Libero  (will no longer be sold in Germany - or ever?)
            + inexpensive (22K DM)
            + the space we want
            + not fancy
            + 4wd
            - front seats don't recline
            - no 3-way kat (could taxes be higher?)
            - they will not be available after this year 
            - engine is hiding in the fender (???)
            - is it stable? - it rides a bit 'high'
    
        Nissan Vanette
            + medium price (32K DM)
            + the space we want
            - not so easy to get from the front row and back
            - little 'fancy' for us
            - engine under the front seats (is it noisy?)
            - is it stable?
            
           the diesel model is better in gas mileage and lower in Horsepower
           - are there other important difference?
    
        Mitsubishi L300 
            + medium price (32K DM)
            + the space we want
            - impossible to from the front row and back
            - engine under the front seats (is it noisy?)
            - is it stable?
            
           the diesel model is better in gas mileage and lower in Horsepower
           - are there other important difference?
            
        Chrysler Voyager
            + the space we want
            + nice profile (low and yet roomy)
            - higher price (~38K DM)
            - fancier than we want 
            - is it stable?

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1924.1		TASTY::JEFFERY	Dan Quayle : Just say noe	`Wed Oct 21 1992 02:08`	7
	Hi, What country is it for? Why haven't you looked at the Toyota Previa or Renault Espace? Mark.
1924.2	money grubbers from Germany	EICMFG::DOUGLAS	persistence of revision	`Wed Oct 21 1992 12:51`	26
	RE: .-1 We are in Germany. We were trying to stay in the <35K DM range, if possible. Toyota Previa - too expensive (>45K DM) 4 month wait time (we were told this at one dealer) Renault Espace - too expensive (>45K DM) - not sure of the maintenance history of Renault - space is gained with the removal of seats (where do you put them?) found a used one (~70K miles, 3 years old) for 27K DM I am interested, but my partner thinks we are giving up the best years of it's life Let me know if you think we should reconsider the price. /bd
1924.3		TASTY::JEFFERY	Dan Quayle : Just say noe	`Wed Oct 21 1992 13:24`	1
	Just curious. I'd not heard of the other ones!
1924.4	Go for the ESPACE	ZPOVC::GGLOH	Singapore	`Thu Oct 22 1992 21:04`	5
	There are also Nissan Serena and Mitsubishi Spacewagon. I'm going for an ESPACE. I would love to have the 2.9 V6 engine in it but I can only fford the 2.0 version. And even that will cost me S$113K.
1924.5		PLAYER::BROWNL	Life begins at 40(Mhz)	`Fri Oct 23 1992 13:08`	6
	I thought the Espace was way too expensive, mind you like all such vehicles (including large estates), it holds its price very well. I think, however, that if that's your chioce of vehicle type, I'd suggest a Discovery. Laurie.
1924.6	Bedford Midi.	SUBURB::JASPERT		`Fri Oct 23 1992 16:33`	6
	I borrowed a Bedford Midi (sorry, dont know the Opel equivalent .0) to do the Boulogne booze-cruise, & found that the luggage space was MASSIVE. I removed the 4th row of seats to increase the load capacity. It was very van-like to drive, when empty the ride was harsh. The return leg, of course, it was nicely ballasted & much smoother. Best feature : S-P-A-C-E.
1924.7	Check it out on the motorway.	RUTILE::BISHOP	What the HELL are you talking about man!	`Mon Oct 26 1992 13:25`	7
	Before you buy an Espace, i'd drive it. We hired one to go to Munich in, and it was quite a suprise to feel it 'snaking' along the motorway. Safe or not? I don't know, it just felt uncomfortable. Best of Luck, Lewis.
1924.8	Espace? - No problems	CASEE::MERRICK	Sliding down the razorblade of life	`Mon Oct 26 1992 19:01`	6
	I've had an Espace Quadra for about 18 months now - I've used it to drive to Munich and Milan a few times and had no problems on the motorway - certainly no 'snaking' feeling even with the Mistral or Sirocco blowing. Ken
1924.9	discovery?	EICMFG::DOUGLAS	persistence of revision	`Tue Oct 27 1992 02:58`	7
	Re: .5 Who makes the Discovery? /bd
1924.10		RUTILE::BISHOP	What the HELL are you talking about man!	`Tue Oct 27 1992 12:11`	1
	The Discovery is a Land-Rover with losts of nice trim and extras...
1924.11		PLAYER::BROWNL	Life begins at 40(Mhz)	`Tue Oct 27 1992 12:31`	9
	.10 has it. It's a very nice vehicle. For me personally though, given the use we put to a car, it was too slow, and too thirsty (even the tdi). We do a lot of motorway driving, to and from UK and Belgium, and Brussels driving requires a fair bit of "snap". However, of the currently available 7-seaters, I think it's the best. With three children, seven seats is a "nice-to-have", rather than a requirement, which good shoulder room in the back, and large boot space are. Laurie.
1924.12	Disco quality?	NEWOA::SAXBY	Mean and Brooklands Green!	`Tue Oct 27 1992 12:42`	8
	When I first saw the Discovery, I was very impressed. However, when I travelled in one a few months old the fit and finish looked very poor. This was, however, on early models so the build quality may have improved since then. Mark
1924.13	Discovery in Singapore	ZPOVC::GGLOH	Singapore	`Sun Nov 15 1992 16:13`	5
	I also have the opportunity to take a good look at the Discovery at the Singapore Motor Show. I was impressed too. The model on display was the 3.5l V8 with two extra sfor carrying up to to 7 people.