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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1647.0. ""Chattering metallic noise!"" by CRISPY::GERRYT () Wed Jan 08 1992 15:51

    I'm getting a sort of 'chattering' sound from the front right wheel
    area of my 1984 VW Passat when I brake or go over bumps/cats'eyes.
    I've had the RAC man out to look at it, and he said it wasn't the
    brakes (even though I suspecteed it might be because I had the pads 
    changed recently).
    I checked the exhaust, and that's tight.
    There is no play in the wheel bearings, and if you bounce the car up
    and down, there is no knock from the suspension. 
    The only other thing I can think of is that the thin metal splash-guard
    behind the disc brake unit may be loose.
    Any suggestions for me before Saturday when I'll get the wheel off in
    daylight and have a good snoop around?
    
    thanks,
    
    Tim
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1647.1MARVIN::RUSLINGHastings Upper Layers Project LeaderWed Jan 08 1992 17:486
	A chattering sound could well be the splash guards and they're very
	easy to check.  If anything in the brakes is loose you tend to get 
	clunks (heavier sound).

	Dave
1647.2Must be the shim !JGODCL::SHERLOCKThe Yorkshire RepublicanWed Jan 08 1992 17:508
    Hello namesake,
                  I think it *must* be the "thin metal splash guard", this
    is commonly known as an "anti-chatter shim" that's missing, the
    mechanics probably forgot to replace it when you had your brakes done.
    
    Good Luck
    
    Tim
1647.3PERKY::RUTTERRut The NutWed Jan 08 1992 19:0921
>>                  I think it *must* be the "thin metal splash guard", this
>>    is commonly known as an "anti-chatter shim" that's missing, the
    
    I would have thought the 'splash guard' referred to was actually
    just that, for keeping dirt/stones/water off of the back of the disc.
    
    The anti-squeal/anti-chatter shim is something else, which certainly
    may have been missed out by the mechanics doing brake work.
    
    On brakes that I have worked on, the splash/dirt guard is normally
    not touched when changing brake pads, since it is at the 'back' of
    the disc, held on behind the hub etc.
    
    
    As for the noise, possibly related to the brake pad change, but
    just as likely to be something else.
    
    How about track rod ends, or any suspension joints/bushings ?
    Simply bouncing the vehicle is not so likely to show these up.
    
    J.R.
1647.4HEWIE::CHRISMy plant, Eric, OD'd on Grendel and Baby BioThu Jan 09 1992 14:507
    
    
    The same thing happened on my Santana a bit back, I was panicking like
    mad, but everyone I spoke to about it told me not to worry as it wasn't
    that important (I dunno if this is right though!)...the rattle that is.
    
    Chris.
1647.5splish-splash I'm having a bothCRISPY::GERRYTThu Jan 09 1992 14:5411
    Thanks for the advice so far.
    Yes, I believe the splash-guards are as .3 pointed out, and are
    attached to the front 'hub' assembly behind the disc brake-pad housing.
    
    My initial feelings are that the sprung anti'chatter'plates may have
    been put back incorrectly.
    By the way, Mileage (genuine) is 47,000
    
    Will let you know after the weekend.
    
    tim
1647.6As I thought!DUCK::GERRYTTue Jan 14 1992 14:2111
    Yes, it's just as I thought....the bottom anti-chatter spring wasn't in
    place! In fact, it wasn't anywhere!
    Have got a replacement pressed metal (not bent wire, as VW don't supply
    them any more!) bottom spring, and it's a lot better, though not
    perfect. At least it doesn't make the noise it was doing.
    
    Off to the scrappy to see if I can salvage a few wire type spares for the 
    future . Does anyone know if the Audi's are fitted with similar wire
    springs?
    
    Tim