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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1646.0. "Coolant rises very high!" by ZPOVC::TEOHEN () Tue Jan 07 1992 16:20

    My coolant level rises dramatically when the engine is hot and 
    overflows the tank. This happened on two occasions causing the loss of
    coolant liquid. I couldn't figure out what the cause was because
    everything else seemed to be working ok; the fan comes on working at 80
    deg C but the coolant level is now very high. When this happened I
    noticed a rise in the temperature in the gauge even though the fan is
    on, around 90 deg C. When I rev on the engine the 
    level would go down and then rises again when I idle. I took the car to
    the mechanic and he had the temperature sensor replaced (the one that
    controlled the fan) but that did not solve the problem entirely; well, at
    least it didn't cause overflow now but still coolant level rises very
    high-just higher than normal!
    
    I suspect that somewhere the cooling passage way may be blocked, around the
    radiator may be or just that the thermostat valve isn't functionating...
    
    What do you guys think?
    
    	TTH
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1646.1Worth a try ?CMOTEC::JASPERTue Jan 07 1992 18:4716
    If you have had the car serviced recently, an air-lock may have been
    introduced, when the water flow thermostat opens the hot water can heat
    the trapped air ( which may be in the Heater) causing sudden
    pressurization of the cooling system. The expansion bottle may also
    contain the pressure valve. If it does, water forced by the heated air
    will fill the expansion bottle before pouring out of the valve.
    
    So how is it cured ? You don't say what car you have, but a possible
    way of clearing air apart from Manufacturers bleed-points in hoses, is
    to leave the pressure cap off the expansion tank, let the engine heat
    up (blowing water & air out the expansion tank, then top-up with hot
    water/antifreeze. All safety rules apply as normal if you want to try
    this, but its cheaper than stripping everything down.
    
    Of course, it may not be air at all 8^)
    
1646.2air-lock?ZPOVC::TEOHENWed Jan 08 1992 18:3617
    On one occasion when I observed the level rise dramatically, I opened
    the cap, the coolant oozed out completely and what's left is a dry
    tank! Realizing that, I turned off the engine and let it cool down a
    bit before adding some water in it and later bought a can of coolant
    and poured it into it. Recent observations had shown that the water
    rise is not that high anymore and the temperature is kept within the
    normal range, about 80 deg C.
    
    Your explanation about air-lock could be quite correct. I think this
    time I should open the cap and heat the engine and let the coolant rise
    and expand to force out possible trapped air!
    
    I'm afraid to bring the car back to the workshop again because the cost
    is too high to repair.
    
    Regards
    TTH
1646.3PLAYER::BROWNLWell, 1991 was a palindrome.Thu Jan 09 1992 10:4621
    Air locks are a common problem in "header-tank" type cooling systems.
    Many are self-bleeding, but some are not. I would guess that yours is
    one of the latter. These fall into two types, those with a bleeder, and
    those without.
    
    To find a bleed "nipple", look for something valve-like in something
    metal that a coolant hose enters or leaves. It will be at the highest
    point of the engine, higher than the normal level of the coolant in the
    header tank.
    
    If you can't find one, then you will have to bleed it yourself. Often
    it is impossible to get all the air out of such a system, but this
    won't be a problem as long as you get most of it out. You need to find
    the highest hose joint, either hose to hose, or hose to metal, and undo
    it. Pour water into the header tank, holding said hose as high as
    possible, until air stops coming out of it. Reconnect, and run the
    engine for a minute or so. Repeat until no air can be extracted. Note
    that you will lose coolant doing this, so have some spare. Also note
    that squeezing the appropriate hose(s) can help release "trapped" air.
    
    Laurie.
1646.4ESSB::SGREENFri Aug 12 1994 20:1122
    
    I replaced the water-pump on my BMW and now seem to be plagued by an
    airlock - almost no heater, temperature guage jumping around a lot, and
    a bit of coolant loss when I stop.  
    
    There's no bleed valve/screw or expansion tank on this model ('86 318i) 
    and when I phoned the BMW service centre they just told me to jack up the 
    front and with the engine running, to add the coolant in slowly......
    
    Ok I'll try it, but I want to get the set up right and not do any
    unplanned damage .... 
    
    Should the radiator be full/almost full/partfull when starting this ? 
    Won't the stuff come pi**ing out once the thermostat opens ? Won't this 
    drag air around the system making it worse ??
    
    If anyone cares to break this procedure down into simple steps or can
    give any advice I'd greatly appreciate it
    
    Thanks
    
    Steve