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1640.1 | 20 & 21-Jun-1992 | LARVAE::DRSD17::GALVIN | A poke short of a couple of peeks. | Thu Jan 02 1992 14:07 | 1 |
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1640.2 | Thanks !!! | ESSB::DOODY | | Thu Jan 02 1992 14:13 | 2 |
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1640.3 | What about pre-race activities ? | KERNEL::RHASKING | Fine time to leave me Loose Wheel | Thu Jan 02 1992 17:53 | 16 |
| Can anyone give details of the activities before the race..
Is it generally the same each year ?
for example....
Scrutineering..... Tuesday in the town ???
Qualifying........ Wednesday evening ???
" Thursday "
Can anyone confirm this ?
Thanks,
Robbo
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1640.4 | Sounds right..... | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Thu Jan 02 1992 18:12 | 11 |
| Yeh,
sounds about right, scrutineering is always on the tuesday
and a fairly long winded affair , I thing in the town square.
Practice is wednesday and thursday evening. I think the times are
something like 7-9pm and 10-12pm on both days.
Garry
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1640.5 | Camping info ? | KERNEL::RHASKING | Fine time to leave me Loose Wheel | Thu Jan 02 1992 18:47 | 12 |
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Thanks Gary,
As you're an experienced 'Le Mans person' if I was planning to take a
tent (4 man, so I doubt if I could put it next to the car in the car
park) and a couple of cars, should I try and book in advance at one of
the campsites ?
If so is it easiest to let Chequers Travel do it all for you ?
Rob
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1640.6 | Vingt Quatre Heures Du Mans | JUNO::JUPP | | Fri Jan 03 1992 17:48 | 21 |
| I've been to Le Mans 5 times now, this includes the last three years.
A couple of us run a transit from DEC and normally take about 12 people
down there. We have never bought any tickets in advance and have never
had any problems getting into the campsite.
We always go for "garage vert" I know some people think this is full of
beer swilling English, but some people may say thats what we are!!. We
will normally see off 2 or 3 cases of beer on the way down, but it's
all good fun.
We have already booked the ferry for next year, going out 1500 Hrs from
Portsmouth to Caen, returning on the Monday?.
Brittany Ferries are giving Discounts on certain sailings this year, it
just so happens that the ones we wanted were those. We go to Caen
because our van drinks the petrol a bit, and it is about 60 miles
shorter than going to Cherbourg.
Maybe we will see you there?
Cheers Ian...
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1640.7 | Which campsites ? | KERNEL::RHASKING | Fine time to leave me Loose Wheel | Fri Jan 03 1992 19:33 | 10 |
| Thanks,
Is 'Garage Vert' the site near Maison Blanche or not...
If not whereabouts is it ?
Thanks,
Rob
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1640.8 | Why not go to the NEC as well?? | JUNO::JUPP | | Fri Jan 03 1992 20:46 | 24 |
1640.9 | Went to the NEC | KERNEL::RHASKING | Fine time to leave me Loose Wheel | Mon Jan 06 1992 12:06 | 16 |
| Thanks for the Le Mans info... (I remember seeing this campsite now
from Last year)
whereabouts do you get access to it ?
BTW..
I actually visited Autosports International at the NEC on
Saturday. I really enjoyed it - especially the Murray and James
interviews.. Unfortunately I didn't spend a lot of time looking at
the drag stuff. I'm more of a F1, SWC person.
I'll start a new note about the Show..
Rob
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1640.10 | It brings back memories??? | JUNO::JUPP | | Tue Jan 07 1992 22:12 | 40 |
1640.11 | .05 ff | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Mon Jan 13 1992 13:46 | 16 |
| As far as campsites go, I have been to 2 of them and spoken to folk who
have used a 3rd. The worst was bleu for me, mind you this was some
years ago. The facilities were to say the least basic, stand pipes and
the chemi karzees ( not pleasant ). The site is next to garage bleu, so
its outside of the track , more or less opposite to Maison Blanc.
Maison Blanc is no better, stand pipes and chemi's. Last year it was
very full by Wednesday and also were the chemi's. The site is nothing
special but if you luck and really want to you can park up near the
fence and see the cars screem past whilst stuffing your face.
I'm lead to believe that Des s is the one to go for. I'm told it has
useable loo's and hot showers, sounds unbelievable for Le Mans.
Thats my 5 centimes
Garry
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1640.12 | Peugeot achievement? | VOGON::KAPPLER | Spontaneity is fine in it's place.... | Fri Jun 19 1992 16:53 | 10 |
| I heard on the radio yesterday that in practise for this years event a
Peugeot had beaten the lap record by 6 (six) seconds!
I found this difficult to believe given the big names here have
typically been Porsche, Jaguar, etc.
Am I that much out of touch or is this case of selective info from the
uninformed media?
JK
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1640.13 | | IOSG::PAGED | Quayle: The original Mr potatoe head | Fri Jun 19 1992 17:37 | 12 |
| Yes you are out of touch. This years race features no Jags,only
private Porsche entries and no Mercedes. The "top dogs" these
days are Peugot and Toyota. These two are the only "serious"
factory entries this season but may not last the distance.
This years entry has been described as "the worst since the 30's"
and the race looks set to be the most open in years.
Beating the lap record by six seconds is impressive;but pole
doesn't really mean a lot at Le Mans. I think Peugot are
making a point of getting pole this year as well. Looks
like they will do just that.
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1640.14 | | AEOEN1::MATTHEWS | M&M Enterprises, the CATCH 22 | Fri Jun 19 1992 17:58 | 4 |
| Also, the field is attracting so little attention that the French TV
are not even going to show the start and finish live this year !!!
Or at least, that's what I heard yesterday ...
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1640.15 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Fri Jun 19 1992 18:40 | 2 |
| Fastest lap time is used to compute the slowest entry lap time allowed.
But this year they'll take all 30 cars anyway.
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1640.16 | | SBPUS4::Mark | I'm having a bad year | Mon Jun 22 1992 15:39 | 1 |
| So, anybody got the results ??
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1640.18 | | SBPUS4::Mark | I'm having a bad year | Mon Jun 22 1992 16:12 | 2 |
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Thanks.
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1640.19 | LeMans results | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Mon Jun 22 1992 18:08 | 26 |
1640.20 | Where old F1 drivers go.. | NSDC::SIMPSON | | Mon Jun 22 1992 20:00 | 4 |
| How many current or ex-F1 drivers can others see in the results listings - I
think that there are 11!
Steve
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1640.21 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Mon Jun 22 1992 20:14 | 14 |
| From the mouth of veteran Henri Pescarolo: "of the 25 times I've been
racing here this was the most difficult one".
The 24h 'enjoyed' varying weather conditions at all times. Varying
between pouring rain and dry roads, of course with major differences
from one end of the circuit to the other.
The pace, although slower than on a dry track, never relaxed. During
the 1st hour, the ex-Jag (Mazda) driven by Weidler, held 1st place.
Until the finish line the Peugeots and the Toyota maintained a fast
pace.
The winning Peugeot completed 352 laps.
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1640.22 | ex- and current F1 drivers | OASS::BURDEN_D | '24 Stude - The only way to Tour | Mon Jun 22 1992 21:45 | 20 |
| re: .20
I count 16:
Blundell
Dalmas
Warwick
Acheson
Raphanel
ALliot
Baldi
Jabouille
Gachot
Herbert
Johansson
Pescarolo
Fabi
Lammers
D. Bell
Needell
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1640.23 | Le Mans 1992 - Not so bad. | NEWOA::SAXBY | Vote for Perot : He's got $3B! | Tue Jun 23 1992 16:46 | 61 |
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Well I was actually there!!!!
Crowds were well down on previous years (although there did seems a lot
of people there at the start) which was probably due to a mixture of
the rain and the sparse field.
The 3.5 litres were impressively quick and remarkably reliable (most of
the ones which did fail, did so due to typical Le Mans failures/crashes
rather than anything specific). Obviously Peugeot (especially), Toyota
and Mazda had done a great job in preparing their 24 hour cars.
The Mazda of Herbert/Wiedler/Gachot threatened to repeat last year's
result in the early stages, upsetting the largely French crowd (and
Derek Warwick, I'm told) by nicking the lead at one point. As the race
progressed, however, Peugeot took control and Toyota crept up into
contention. The finish wasn't a nail biter, but it was as close as most
and enough to make the threat of some sort of mechanical fragility in
the top 3 a real threat to the status quo.
Of the also rans, the Cougars impressed, but never really challenged
(as they weren't supposed to, the pace of the 3.5s). The Kremer Porsches
and the turbo Toyotas also put up a good showing to keep the class
battle alive for much of the race. The national championship cars were
restricted to 2 Peugeot Spyders and an Alfa Romeo thingy (little open
sportscar). All were pathetically slow, but the number 66 Spyder got a
cheer for venturing out for a few final laps at the end - People at Le
Mans seem to appreciate the effort involved.
The BRM team suffered from Le Mans pettiness as so many other British
teams seem to have done so in the past. Due to not unexpected problems
in practice, only Wayne Taylor was able to set a night time qualifying
time and so come the race the car was only allowed to be driven by him
and only for 1 4 hour stint (even if he'd got out of the car, the fact
that no-one else was driving it would have meant that he was still
considered to be driving it!). The car did make the start and looked
and sounded remarkably good, considering the tiny budget and ambitious
nature. It quickly moved up to 14th place (out of a 28 car field), but
gear selection problems sidelined it early on and it was only seen for
a few brief laps again, before it was put away before dark. Some major
sponsorship could see this little team challenging the likes of
Euroracing next season, and I hope they do.
Talking of Euroracing, the Lolas turned out to be the one unreliable
3.5, both suffering from transmission problems with their new Le Mans
spec gearboxes. However, when they were running, especially in the
rain, they were quick. At one point on Saturday, one of them was
setting fastest lap after fastest lap and, although the Radio Le Mans
commentator seemed doubtful of the times, anyone watching on the track
could see that the car was being pedalled a lot quicker than the bigger
name's cars.
So, all in all, Le Mans this year was a lot better than it promised to
be. Ok it rained and ok, not many teams took part, but those who did
put on a fair show and anyone watching the cars out of the Porsche
curves at night with huge rooster tails of spray trailing behind them
is unlikely to forget it.
Roll on Number 15! :^)
Mark
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1640.24 | | 52336::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Wed Jun 24 1992 13:17 | 9 |
| Thanks for this excellent report Mark.
Some thoughts: why are people so worried about 3.5ltr engined cars
being unreliable ? In the 1970-75 time frame they were restricted to
using 3ltr engines and they did finish the race (Matra, Ferrari, Lola,
Porsche, ...). Using a F1 engine as a base means you'll have to detune
it to something like 400-500bhp, use stronger (sometimes heavier)
parts, do some endurance testing ... This takes time and energy but
it's feasible.
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1640.25 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Vote for Perot : He's got $3B! | Wed Jun 24 1992 13:23 | 15 |
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I think the doubts about 3.5 reliability were based on the first 2 500
km races. In both those races, most of the cars broke down and it
seemed that even with mods the cars would have a very tough time
lasting for 24 hours.
I bet Jaguar are feeling a bit miffed now. The XJR-14 (MXR-01?) Mazda
looked good throughout the race and I'm sure a Jaguar steamroller
effort with the car and HB engines would have been in a strong position
to take the laurels from Peugeot.
Come to think of it, if you'd just seen pictures of the crowd, you
would've thought that Jaguar WERE there! :^)
Mark
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1640.26 | FISA and ACO part company | BACK::haycox | Ian | Wed Jun 24 1992 13:42 | 6 |
| Great news, looks like the ACO have done a 'see figure 1' to Mosley and FISA
and will no longer be associated with the SWC. Hopefully Le Mans will be
open to anyone who pays the entry fee next year.
Ian.
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1640.27 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Vote for Perot : He's got $3B! | Wed Jun 24 1992 13:45 | 7 |
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Good news indeed (and FISA can't really say much since they failed
miserably to provide the minimum 50 cars guaranteed field). It was just
this kind of approach they led to Group C (the real one, with big
rumbly cars) in the first place.
Mark
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1640.28 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Wed Jun 24 1992 14:28 | 20 |
1640.29 | Congrats to the ACO! | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Wed Jun 24 1992 15:55 | 4 |
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Perhaps they'll get rid of the stupid chicanes on the Mulsanne as
well!
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1640.30 | | IOSG::PAGED | Quayle: The original Mr potatoe head | Wed Jun 24 1992 18:36 | 4 |
| And take down all that stupid 'triple decker' armco,replace the
new pit complex with something older,let the drivers run to their
cars at the start and allow cars to carry mechanics as passengers !!
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1640.31 | | NEWOA::SAXBY | Vote for Perot : He's got $3B! | Wed Jun 24 1992 18:50 | 4 |
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don't forget the wooden spoked wheels! :^)
Mark
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1640.32 | Can I retire, please? | VOGON::MITCHELLE | Beware of the green meanie | Wed Jun 24 1992 19:54 | 5 |
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I'm not so sure about the re-introduction of the 'riding mechanic'...
:-)
Elaine
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1640.33 | 'Le Rocket car' | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Wed Jun 24 1992 20:34 | 27 |
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Well I was there, I think the race this year was a flop. Maybe the
weather had a big hand in the fact ,but it sure did not have the
atmosphere. I'm not sure that the aco pulling away from Fisa is the
right answer. However I think that to get sportscar racing back to what
it was , it needs someone with a real intrest in thr formula to sort it
out.
I was dead supprised that the race was still going at 11pm , ever more
supprised at 6 am. The whole event was made for me on friday. Hands up
those who watched the fireworks on friday!!!!!!!!
I was getting the pip with the frenchman and 'Le Rocket Car'. For those
that missed it, and boy did you miss something, The french chap was
wittering on about 'le rocket car' with increasing vigour, and sure
enough something was wheeled out onto the track at the ford chicane.
After many more mentions of 'le rocket car' a ford Mk 3 cortina estate
in silk cut colours came rouring along the pit straight directly after
one of the now famous mentions of 'Le rocket car'. Fantastic timing.
The rocket car itself was a bit of a let down, as expected.
Garry
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1640.34 | some niggles | ROCKS::ARBISER | If you want it done well - DIY | Thu Jun 25 1992 13:42 | 17 |
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I was there too, and because of the inclement weather chose to sit up
in the pit stands. My perch was directly over the Peugeot pit from
where I was able to monitor a lot, if not all, the action.
For me a lot of the rules are a joke! 1) Not allowing cars to get to the
grid when they haven't come out of the pit lane 1 minute before the
off. 2) Allowing those funny small open cars to race at all.. 3) The most
annoying thing was that none of the leading cars actually took the
checkered flag... (Daft!).
All in all I enjoyed the weekend enormously especially as the Europeans
triumphed. Also had time to walk the entire circuit on Friday so can
now relate to all the events.
- Ian
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1640.35 | bits and pieces | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Thu Jun 25 1992 13:59 | 12 |
| - top speed during qualifications
Peugeot No1 349kph Restaurant des Hunaudieres
351kph before Indianapolis corner
Toyota and Kremer Porsche slightly slower
- Tyres won Le Mans this year !
If Peugeot had been using Goodyear and Toyota had been using
Michelin it would have been a Toyota victory. Detailed study of lap
times show that the Michelin were faster on the wet track.
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1640.36 | | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Thu Jun 25 1992 14:15 | 16 |
| That was fairly evident at Esses during the early part of the race. The
peugeot was quite quick through esses were as all the porsches, I think
without exception ,looked as if they were tip toeing around. Having
said that the Toyota's and the Mazda (5) looked quick through esses
but not as comfortable as the peugeot.
As for the end of the race, I know traditionally the winner has crossed
the line and been virtually mobbed for some time . The practice now of
preventing the cars crossing the line is getting both dangerous and
annoying. You could not help but notice that barbed wire had been put
up between 2 walls along the pit straight , more fencing has gone up
and even some good spectating areas are now off linits. One can only
assume that some of this is to combat the problem.
Garry
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1640.37 | Went with a bang! | DOOZER::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Thu Jun 25 1992 14:24 | 5 |
1640.38 | 24hr Summary | GUCCI::BBELL | | Mon Jun 29 1992 19:20 | 8 |
| Could someone post the winners' statistics for some relevant period
of time -- such as average speed, total laps, total distance, etc?
I'm sure the rain more than offset the increased qualifying speeds,
but I was curious about what effects the various changes in technology
and rules have had over the years.
Thanks
Bob
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1640.39 | seen .19 | COMICS::COOMBER | Inverted Flight Expert | Mon Jun 29 1992 19:33 | 7 |
| see .19
Doen't have times but it has all 14 finishers.
Garry
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1640.40 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Mon Jun 29 1992 21:22 | 2 |
| Winner has completed 352laps (x 13.6km). Not a record, but not bad
considering the appalling weather they've had for most of the race.
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