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Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
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1638.0. "Super (production) Cars" by ULYSSE::CHEVAUX (Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584) Thu Jan 02 1992 12:36

With the new year ... and with my best wishes to all Cars_UK Noters ...
I thought I would create this couple of topics for the ones (like me) who 
like extreme super cars. 

In this topic I'd like to restrict the discussion to production models ie 
road cars that are factory-built in more than several prototypes. See next
topic for more extravanganza.

My definition of a super car: anything that reaches 300kph, has incredible
acceleration, braking, cornering capabilities, uses some sort of high tech,
.... 

Candidates (non exhaustive list)

	Existing cars

		o Porsche 959
		o Ferrari 288 GTO
		o Ferrari F40 
		o Jaguar XJ220
		o Lamborghini Diablo
		o BMW M1
		o ....

	Soon to be produced

		o Bugatti EB110
		o BRM
		o MCA Centenaire
		o Cizeta V16T
		o McLaren
		o Bizzarinizi
		o ....
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1638.1Replace BMW M1 with Vector W2FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 12:431
    
1638.2Another for the listYUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieThu Jan 02 1992 14:169
    Add to the forthcoming list:
    
    Yamaha OX99-11
    
    Based on the V12 F1 engine, unveiling in the spring, sales from 1993.
    
    Pix in Autosport this week.
    
    Paul
1638.3RUF CTR (Nee Porsche 911 Turbo)FUTURS::WATSONRik WatsonThu Jan 02 1992 17:591
    
1638.4XJ220ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Mon Jan 06 1992 11:5178
Let's start with the most impressive and fastest production supercar

Jaguar XJ220

History

- first shown at Birmingham auto show, late 1988
- pure 'show car', no intention to ever produce it
- fitted with 7litre V12 and 4WD
- long wheelbase
- study by Jim Randle, body designed by Geoff Lawson

- based on lots of enthusiastic potential 'customers' reactions, John Egan
  takes decision to build the XJ220 in 1989
- planned limited production (220)

- during H2 of 1989 the XJ220 is fully redesigned
- V12 is replaced by the 3.5litre twin-turbo V6 as used in the XJR11
- RWD only
- shorter wheelbase
- planned production 350
- prototypes are tested in Europe and in the USA
- test drivers: Andy Wallace and John Nielsen
- performance measured with protos in the USA

	- top speed	342kph
	- 0-60mph	<4sec
	- 0-100mph	<8sec

- late 1991 : production starts

Description

	Engine

		V6, twin turbo, cap:	3.5litre
		2x2 overhead camshafts
		Zytek Petrol Injection & Ignition System
		Bore-Stroke: 		94-84mm
		Compression ratio	8.3/1
		Peak power		542bhp @7000rpm
		Peak torque		642Nm @4500rpm

	Transmission

		FF Developments 5 speed gearbox
		Triple action synchromesh on 1st and 2nd
		Limited slip diff (viscodrive)
		AP Racing 2 plate clutch

	Suspension

		Racing derived double wishbones

	Brakes

		all-round AP Racing ventilated discs
			330.2mm front
			300  mm rear  
		Aluminium AP Racing 4 piston calipers

	Wheels

		Speedline 17" (front) and 18" (rear)

	Tyres

		Bridgestone ZR Expedia

			255/45 ZR 17 front
			345/36 ZR 18 rear

	Length		4.930m
	Width		2.220m
	Height		1.150m		
	Wheelbase	2.640m

	Weight		1375kg
1638.5CURRNT::PACE::RUTTERRut The NutMon Jan 06 1992 12:5819
Re.       -< XJ220 >-
    
    You forgot to mention it's general handling characteristic - Oversteer.
    
    Saw a review of 'Top Gear' over Christmas, which included an article
    when Tiff took one of these around a circuit earlier in the year
    (I didn't see the programme first time round).
    
    Certainly an impressive vehicle, and so was Tiff's driving whilst
    commentating with an on-board camera.  Narrative went along the lines
    of "braking into ??? bend, 4th gear, through the apex, power out,
    bit of oversteer, up through the gears, braking, changing down for
    ?? bend, powering through, more oversteer, correcting that, and
    more oversteer going through next bend..."
    
    All this at whatever speeds he was reaching, and he didn't appear
    to be driving like a real hooligan.
    
    J.R.
1638.6re.5VOGON::ATWALdream out loudMon Jan 06 1992 13:025
The car that Tiff drove was an XJR15 not an XJ220. The XJR15 was more of a 
road legal race car than a pure 'for the public' production car.


...art
1638.7CURRNT::PACE::RUTTERRut The NutMon Jan 06 1992 13:118
>>The car that Tiff drove was an XJR15 not an XJ220. The XJR15 was more of a 
    
    Sorry, my mistake.
    
    I knew there were two Jaguars of this general form, but didn't realise
    which was which.
    
    J.R.
1638.8PERKY::RUTTERRut The NutMon Jan 13 1992 12:0417
>>My definition of a super car: anything that reaches 300kph, has incredible
>>acceleration, braking, cornering capabilities, uses some sort of high tech,
    
    
    I would be tempted to include the Group B vehicles in this list.
    Not all of them, but some certainly deserve inclusion.
    As for the 300kph speed, that would depend on gearing.
    
    Of course, the road-going versions aren't up to the performance
    of the rally specials.  The difference here varied a lot according
    to the manufacturer.  I believe the 205T16 road version wasn't
    really all the hot at all, whereas the comp. version certainly was...
    
    How about the Lancia Delta S4 ?  An amazing engine configuration
    could probably count as 'high tech'.
    
    J.R.
1638.9SKIWI::EATONMarketing - the rubber meets the skyMon Jan 13 1992 22:363
re: Amazing engine configuration

You mean the supercharger/turbo arrangement ?
1638.10PERKY::RUTTERRut The NutTue Jan 14 1992 13:448
>>You mean the supercharger/turbo arrangement ?
    
    That's the one.
    
    Sure made a good noise under full bore acceleration (the only way it
    was ever used).
    
    J.R.
1638.11Truely awesomeSKIWI::EATONMarketing - the rubber meets the skyThu Jan 16 1992 00:491
Have fond memories of one full bore on a tarmac stage chasing the 205 T16's.
1638.12clip of the year !ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Wed Feb 19 1992 19:257
1638.133 supercarsULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Wed May 06 1992 21:137
    The McLaren "F1" (that's the name currently used) road car will be
    officially introduced at the Monaco GP: 28-May.
    
    The new MCA (Monte Carlo Automobiles) GTB and Spyder will also be shown
    there.
    
    2 more good reasons to go to Monaco.
1638.14McLaren F1 road carULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Tue Jun 09 1992 21:2417
    Well, they did not show the McLaren F1 in action (on the track) but the
    car was introduced at the classy SPORTING with dinner, etc ... At
    midnight the car appeared in the middle of a cloud of smoke, etc ...
    
    Everything was done like for the Lamborghini Diablo 2 years ago. But I
    was not invited this time so I read it in my favorite auto mag.
    
    As expected the McLaren road car is based on:
    
    	- light weight
    	- rear wheel drive (no 4WD)
    	- BMW 6ltr V12 with special computer, producing 550bhp peak
    	- carbon shell, very long wheeldrive
    	- all weight contained within the 4 wheels
    	- 3 seats with driver in the middle, passenger seats apart
    
    Production will start in 1993, build rate 50 per year 
1638.15I'll have two pleaseCOMICS::MCSKEANEThe Ice Maiden....? She Melted....Wed Jun 10 1992 13:137
    
    Re -1:
    
    And costs somewhere in the region of 530,000 quid but at least you get
    some luggage/suitcases thrown in as well!!!!!!!!!
    
    POL.
1638.16more on McLaren F1ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Wed Jun 10 1992 18:3817
1638.17I want oneDCC::HAGARTYEssen, Trinken und Shaggen...Mon Jun 15 1992 13:584
1638.18NSDC::SIMPSONMon Jun 15 1992 14:128
RE: -.1

Is that 100 (i.e. 160 kph) or 160 mph? Actually thinking about it, its got to
be 100 mph or else it would be on the start-line at Santa Pod!

Cheers

Steve
1638.19ULYSSE::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584Mon Jun 15 1992 14:548
    The ultimate measure is something like: 0-200kph-0 or 0-160mph-0 which
    gives a good indication on both acceleration and braking power.
    
    Another one is : how fast will a car lap at Monaco, Silverstone, etc
    compared to a F3 and a F1 ?
    
    The McLaren seems to be well thought for ultimate circuit performance.
    I'd like to see a comparison with a F3.
1638.20For 160DCC::HAGARTYEssen, Trinken und Shaggen...Mon Jun 15 1992 14:563
1638.21SUBURB::TAYLORGRIP: Freddie Mercury 24-Nov-1991Mon Jun 15 1992 18:124
    The record for the 0-100mph and back to 0mph record is held by the AC
    Shelby Cobra 427 at 14 seconds.
    
    Grant
1638.22COMICS::SHELLEYAlways with the -ve wavesWed Oct 19 1994 12:405
1638.23I wouldn't want to be in his shoes today!!WELCLU::YOUNGPolicemen aren't nasty peopleWed Oct 19 1994 13:324
    
    I bet he'll be popular!
    
    Richard
1638.24FORTY2::HOWELLJust get to the point...Wed Oct 19 1994 13:587
    Was it the Motor Show at the NEC he was going to?
    
    I was planning a visit this weekend but if the McLaren F1 is just going
    to be a crumpled piece of carbon fibre..... well..... it's just not
    worth it, is it?
    
    
1638.25COMICS::SHELLEYAlways with the -ve wavesWed Oct 19 1994 14:139
    I wonder why the car wasn't carried on a transporter.
    
    Presumably it wasn't covered by fully comp insurance (can you imagine
    the premium!) 
    
    As far as the mechanic was concerned it was a 'company car' and we all
    know how they get driven :-)
    
    Royston
1638.26Story to be confirmedLEMAN::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150Wed Oct 19 1994 14:154
    Someone told me that Ron Dennis had taken one of the prototypes to show
    it at a F1 Grand Prix a while ago. Supposedly he left the pits area
    very quickly and did not think that he had cold tyres and brakes, he
    did not make it through the 1st corner and landed in the gravel bed.
1638.27COMICS::MCSKEANEOh, to be a tab can!!!!!Wed Oct 19 1994 15:017
    re 1638.26 
    
    He did it at the Japanese Grand Prix last year. Apparently Gerhard
    Berger was one of the passengers at the time. Gerhard was reported as
    being 'highly amused' by it all
    
    POL.
1638.28ESBS01::WATSONObjects in calendar are closer than they appearWed Oct 19 1994 15:443
1638.29WARNUT::ALLENIt works better if you screw it in..Wed Oct 19 1994 16:138
    A McLaren spokesperson said that the mechanic in question won't be
    punished further, his embarrasment will be enough! I bet it will. No
    way will he live that one down!
    
    Apparently the damage is not bad, a few hole in the carbon fibre and a
    boken oil cooler. I suspect the car will still be there.
    
    Mike