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| 1569.1 | | NIBLIK::THOMSONS | | Wed Oct 16 1991 12:12 | 5 |
| And another thought , if someone asks for a quote will it then appear
on the list ? , or does it depend on the number of quotes requested
for the same car ?
It sounds in many respects that there will be duplication of work with
regards to quotes.
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| 1569.2 | Calling Mr Mod | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | On the bank of brinkruptcy | Wed Oct 16 1991 13:34 | 13 |
| This has/is being discussed in #1538 (Quotes under September 1991
scheme). However, that note was originally for posting individual
quotes (for info only) as it is understood they will not appear
anywhere else. Individual quotes are just that.
Maybe it would be useful to use another note for general discussion of
the current scheme, the list, prices etc. and leave #1538 alone because
as time progresses it will be intesting to look through a note that has
a variety of individual quotes on them.
Input from a mod would be useful. Richard ?
Roy
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| 1569.3 | WOuld anyone use it? | BAHTAT::HILTON | How's it going royal ugly dudes? | Wed Oct 16 1991 14:47 | 8 |
| Would anyone out there in cars_uk world actually take a car of this
lease without submitting a few quotes?
If I were in line for a new leasemobile then I would definetly test out
the current prices for non-list models by sending in some quotes, ie
nothing different than before!
Greg
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| 1569.4 | Wait another 6 months? | BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL | Martin Bell, TCC, Birmingham UK | Wed Oct 16 1991 14:58 | 23 |
| 1569.5 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | On the bank of brinkruptcy | Wed Oct 16 1991 15:20 | 14 |
| re. 3
Many people in the 'cars_uk world' would probably submit a few quotes
as you suggest to 'test out' the prices. However, I don't believe the
majority of lease holders follows cars_uk or have much of an interest
in cars.
Lets face it. Its highly unlikely that adhoc quotes will be cheaper
than equivelant cars on the list.
I think a lot of people will order off the list because its just
convenient.
Roy
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| 1569.6 | Are the most popular models really there? | DOOZER::JENKINS | Pschorrly 'ken shabby | Wed Oct 16 1991 15:22 | 14 |
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In the memo from Alastair Wright, under the section "Preferred Car
List" it says "The list includes the most popular models on the
fleet selected by employees over the last twelve months"
The list would seem to contain some serious ommissions in the
popularity stakes.
I think it would be useful to publish the original report that
provided the information on the most popular models. Fleet, or
somebody else must have this information for the statement above
to have been made.
Richard.
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| 1569.7 | Continuing... | DOOZER::JENKINS | Pschorrly 'ken shabby | Wed Oct 16 1991 15:24 | 3 |
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And I'm exempting Astras and Golfs from my last note.
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| 1569.8 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | On the bank of brinkruptcy | Wed Oct 16 1991 15:26 | 10 |
| re .6
The statement is clearly omitting a few truths.
I think it should be something like -
"The list contains the most popular models on the fleet from different
price ranges and certain undesirable cars have been ommitted"
Roy
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| 1569.9 | Slightly off-key | VOGON::MORGAN | J.F.D.I. | Wed Oct 16 1991 15:44 | 12 |
| 1569.10 | A slight change of direction .. | CATPAW::SYSTEM | Don't worry, midnight approaches..... | Wed Oct 16 1991 16:27 | 17 |
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How can one get a nicely printed list from VTX ??
I have save/all car.txt.
Edited out all control characters.
Printed landscape - still wraps round.
re-edit so that it will print landscape.
Any way to bypass all this cr** ?
( It would be nice to peruse at leisure rather than peer at a
few lines of 132 text in every screen. )
Tom.
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| 1569.11 | I'm made of money | BAHTAT::HILTON | How's it going royal ugly dudes? | Wed Oct 16 1991 16:36 | 6 |
| re .9
Yep that was my first thought, most cars seem to be very expensive
unless you have the extra/market supplement.
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| 1569.12 | | WARNUT::BIDDULPHM | | Wed Oct 16 1991 19:43 | 8 |
| re .10
if you save the contents of your scratch pad to a file, it seems to
understand the fact that the lines are 132 column. Well it did for me
but I still had to take out all the control characters first.
mike B
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| 1569.13 | Use ALL-IN-1?? | HAMPS::JORDAN | Chris Jordan, Digital Services - Office Consultant, London | Thu Oct 17 1991 12:11 | 59 |
| Using ALL-IN-1 I easily did a GOLD P to put the current screen into
the scratch pad... then repeated that for the screens I wanted (and
ignored the others....).
Then I created a new document, GOLD GET the scratch pad, and could
edit as I wanted to (especially having done a GOLD M and EA to set
the screen wide for the document):
Here is my extract (132 wide):
Quote Model and Driver Ins Sun Sun Alloy PAS ABS Met/ Elec Cat Auto Radio Alarm*
Ref No of doors Cost Group Man Elect Wheel Black Wind Conv Trans Cass
Paint
052 CITROEN ZX 1.9 VOLCANE 5-DR 477 6 N/A S S S 175 46 S N/A N/A S 86
054 ROVER 214 GSI 5DR H/B 475 4 N/A S 96 108 285 61 S 91 N/A S 86
060 PEUGEOT 405 1.9 GRD 5DR EST 611 4 N/A S N/A S 261 55 S N/A N/A S 86
062 VAUXHALL CAVALIER 2.0I GL 4DR SAL 625 5 S 27 N/A S 249 56 S 132 216 S 86
068 RENAULT 21 2.0 GTX SAVANNA EST 732 5 N/A N/A 86 S 224 49 S 74 276 S 86
070 PEUGEOT 405 1.9 GL EST 740 5 N/A S N/A S 261 55 S N/A N/A S 86
072 ROVER 216 GSI 5DR H/B 765 5 N/A S 96 108 285 61 S 91 468** S 86
076 PEUGEOT 405 1.9 GRI 4DR SAL 802 5 N/A S N/A S 261 55 S 74 240 S 86
078 ROVER 416 GSI 4DR SAL 866 5 N/A S 96 108 285 70 S 91 468** S 86
080 NISSAN PRIMERA 2.0i GSX 5DR H/B 1,023 6 N/A S S S N/A 50 S N/A 276 S 86
084 VAUXHALL CAVALIER 2.0SRI 4DR/5DR 1,049 6 S 26 87 S S 56 S 126 N/A S S
086 VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT GL 2.0I 4DR 1,180 6 N/A 132 169 S N/A 42 208 S 300 S 86
088 FORD SIERRA 2.0GLSI 5DR 1,262 5 S N/A 159 S S 51 S 132 N/A S S
090 PEUGEOT 405 GTD TURBO 4DR SAL 1,284 5 N/A S S S S 55 S N/A N/A S 86
092 ROVER 216 GTI 16V 5DR H/B 1,350 6 N/A S S S 285 61 S 91 N/A S 86
094 BMW 316I 4DR SAL 1,350 6 148 195 266 S 216 122 S S 384 N/S 86
098 FORD SAPPHIRE 2.0 EFI GHIA 4DR 1,416 6 N/A S S S S 51 S 138 360 S S
100 VAUXHALL CAVALIER 2.0 CDI 4DR 1,425 5 S 26 S S S 56 S 144 240 S S
104 ROVER 416 GTI 4DR SAL 1,527 6 N/A S S S 285 70 S 91 300 S 86
106 PEUGEOT 405 1.9I GTX 4DR SAL 1,660 6 N/A S S S S 55 S 74 288 S 86
110 BMW 318I 4DR SAL 1,715 6 148 195 266 S 216 122 S S 384 N/S 86
112 MAZDA 626 2.0 GLX EXEC 5DR H/B 1,736 6 N/A S S S S 62 S N/A 252 S 86
116 VAUXHALL CALIBRA 2.0i 8V 2DR 1,774 6 N/A S 100 S S S S S 240 S S
120 VOLVO 940 GL 2.0I EST 1,844 6 S 87 N/A S S 65 S S 216 S 86
122 RENAULT 21 TXI 4DR SAL 1,859 6 N/A S S S S 49 S S N/A S 86
126 ROVER 820I 4DR/5DR 1,952 6 S N/A 190 S 277 69 S 88 234 S 86
130 HONDA ACCORD 2.0I 4DR SAL 2,002 6 N/A S 124 S S S S S 276 S 86
132 VOLVO 940 GL 2.0I 4DR SAL 2,045 6 S 87 N/A S S 65 S S 240 S 86
134 RENAULT 25 TXE 5DR H/B 2,132 6 N/A S 93 S 254 57 S 74 264 S 86
136 VAUXHALL CARLTON 1.8 GLI EST 2,211 6 S 53 S S S 60 S N/A 240 S 86
138 VAUXHALL CARLTON 2.0 GLI SAL 2,234 6 S 53 S S S 60 S 138 240 S 86
140 FORD GRANADA 2.0I LX 5DR H/B 2,248 6 S N/A 160 S S 52 S N/A 312 S S
144 RENAULT ESPACE 2.0 RXE 2,277 6 93 N/A N/A S 305 S S S N/A S 86
146 VAUXHALL CAVALIER GSI 2000 4DR 2,395 6 N/A S S S S S S S N/A S S
148 BMW 320 I 4DR SAL 2,599 7 148 195 212 S 216 122 S S 444 N/S 86
150 MERCEDES 190E 2.0 4DR SAL 2,645 7 154 220 289 S S 189 146 S 252 N/S 86
154 VAUXHALL CARLTON 2.0 CDI 4DR 2,699 6 N/A S S S S 60 S 144 240 S S
156 FORD GRANADA 2.0I GHIA 5DR 2,741 6 N/A S S S S 52 S 144 252 S S
158 VOLVO 940 GLE 4DR SAL 2,751 7 N/A S S S S 68 S S 228 S 86
162 VAUXHALL CARLTON 2.0I CDX 4DR 2,945 6 N/A S S S S S S 108 252 S S
166 BMW 320I SE 4DR SAL 2,989 7 N/A S S S 216 122 S S 444 N/S 86
170 BMW 520I 4DR SAL 3,062 7 166 200 334 S 216 156 S S 348 N/S 86
172 MERCEDES 200E 4DR SAL 3,341 7 N/A 220 289 S S 215 146 S 264 N/S 86
174 BMW 520I SE 4DR SAL 3,342 7 N/A S S S 216 156 S S 348 N/S 86
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| 1569.14 | Insurance content | CHEFS::ARNOLD | | Thu Oct 17 1991 12:24 | 15 |
| Ref .4
I have made some statements about cars and alarms in Cars_uk 1134 and
in uk_digital.
As to the expansion of car groups by the insurance industry from 9 to
20, we shall review this as it develops. We have used the industry as
an initial benchmark for the way we have apportioned premiums on the
preferred car list.
For the future we shall look at Digital's experience against this
benchmark and develop our car groups and insurance costs from that
experience.
Doug
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| 1569.15 | ALL-IN-ONE does'nt | CATPAW::SYSTEM | Don't worry, midnight approaches..... | Thu Oct 17 1991 12:42 | 15 |
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re .13
Mmmmm. tried that. GOLD P does nothing. A problem with our ALL-IN-ONE
maybe.
I do - GOLD P when in the screen(s), GOLD I for interrupt menu, and
then SP and R to read the scratch pad.
Scratch pad empty.
I'll check what's wrong.
Thanks for input. Tom.
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| 1569.16 | | TIMMII::RDAVIES | An expert Amateur | Thu Oct 17 1991 14:19 | 4 |
| Chris, Why did your list start at 0052?, what happened to the humbler
models?.
Richard
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| 1569.17 | What about choice ?? | ODDONE::PAYNE_R | | Thu Oct 17 1991 14:37 | 20 |
| 1569.18 | | HAMPS::JORDAN | Chris Jordan, Digital Services - Office Consultant, London | Thu Oct 17 1991 15:31 | 8 |
| 1569.19 | | KERNEL::FISCHERI | I'm not from Bushey | Thu Oct 17 1991 15:38 | 13 |
| > So my list is for me!! - not for you lot!
So what did you go and put it in here for then.
re .17
Why don't you read the memo from Alastair Wright! If you don't like the
look of the car list, then submit a quote and put the price in here under
the relevant topic. Alternatively, put pressure on car fleet to rewrite a
more realistic preferred car list of popular and cheaper cars!
Ian
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| 1569.20 | At Last | YUPPY::ELLAWAY | Martin Ellaway@hhl | Thu Oct 17 1991 19:00 | 15 |
| Re 10
Tom,
I managed to do it but it was rather long winded.
Extracted to the scratch pad then sent it to myself then sent it to
my VMS account and edited out all the control characters etc then
added the escape sequences for landscape, horizontal pitch and
70% font size and as i'm remote and have to print through my attached\
LN03 sent it back to my all-in-one account then printed it off.
If anybody wants a copy let me know and i'll mail it to them.
Regards Martin
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| 1569.21 | I like it ! | CATPAW::SYSTEM | Don't worry, midnight approaches..... | Thu Oct 17 1991 19:36 | 11 |
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Re .20
There is nothing like a straightforward, easy method to help
the users who need to see a list of cars.
This is NOTHING like a straightforward, easy method.
:-) :-)
Tom.
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| 1569.22 | ..High Prices or what..?? | LARVAE::THACKERAY | | Wed Oct 23 1991 15:39 | 33 |
| Okay Folks, a few questions for the Car fleet gurus out there, with
regard to the new scheme...and other ramblings:
1. Why have the majority of our leased cars increased in price to such
a phenomenal amount. My humble Cavalier has increased by nearly 40%
over the price I was quoted in March [ I'm a lucky one - it is
'relatively cheap' for the next 30 months :-) ]
2. Referring to number 1., why have the prices shot up, bearing in mind
that the car manufacturers are slashing prices left, right and centre.
I'm sorry, but the increase in insurance costs is not an argument which
satisifes me - especially as some car prices have reduced by several
thousand pounds.
3. Why are we continually being stung by PHH and Hertz. A colleague of
mine who has his own company, has negotiated a deal for his single
company car - a Granada Ghia. The conditions are identical to ours,
yet he pays only 2/3rds of our price.
This he did with Wincanton Transport Leasing.
I have mentioned this to Car Fleet a couple of times, but the response
has always been "...we ask leasing companies to bid for our business on
a regular period, the winners then have exclusivity to our business for
that period.." (3 years I think).
Sounds like a pretty good captive market to me.
I wonder why, in all my time at Digital, it has always been Hertz and PHH ?
With apologies to those who aren't blessed with a company car......
Intrigued_of_Blasingsmoke
Paul
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| 1569.23 | | KERNEL::FISCHERI | I'm not from Bushey | Wed Oct 23 1991 20:43 | 18 |
| 1569.24 | Re-Write | VOGON::MORGAN | J.F.D.I. | Mon Oct 28 1991 10:28 | 54 |
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I've re-entered this note as each line of the note tended to dis-appear
over the edge of the screen.
Rich
Mod
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Ref.22
Beware of HERTZ and their "relationship" with Digital.
I have been saddled with a car that has had a total 15 garage visits in 12
months.
The car is basically a heep, a source of great amusment to my colleagues.
A generator of vast revenue for spares companies and hire car firms.
Now the Sting !!
Despite complaining, pleading, begging with HERTZ and FLEET. I am stuck
with the car.
I cannot swap it as fleet say that wouln't be fair on the person who takes
over the lease.
HERTZ refuse to take it back, because "Digital" wont tell them to, unless my
CC picks up the cancellation charges.
My opinion FWIW. HERTZ and PHH take the preverbial P out of Digital.
While we try and try to reduce expenditure and make profit. We as a
company buy into a lease scheme that is a minefield.
Still I will have to continue shelling out for the next two years.
Regards
Bruce
PS: Micheldever Tyres have just told me that my spare wheel well is
doubling as a swimming pool and has flooded the rear of the car under
the rear seats. They also mentined that my rear seatbelts stick (noticed
as they attempted to lower the rear seats to get at the wheel). Still
at least the belts have only been replaced once.
Nice to know that HERTZ and Digital care about the safety of my rear seat
passengers.
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| 1569.25 | | VANGA::KERRELL | Dave Kerrell @REO 830-2279 | Mon Oct 28 1991 10:38 | 3 |
| What's the car Bruce? Lada, FSO, Yugo, Nissan?
/Dave.
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| 1569.26 | Toyota
| KERNEL::MILLAR | | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:05 | 8 |
| Re .25
Dave the Car is a Toyota Supra 3.0 i. Supposedly top of the range !!!
Not cheap to lease.
Regards
Bruce
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| 1569.27 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:44 | 6 |
| Bruce,
Last thing I heard was that Toyota were going to take off the cat and
replace it with a 'one off' exhaust. Are there still problems ?
Roy
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| 1569.28 | No Cat No Smell | KERNEL::MILLAR | | Mon Oct 28 1991 13:44 | 13 |
| Roy
The Cat was removed several months ago. There are still a multitude
of problems. Unfortunately I think that the HERTZ desirted result
is close to being achieved. i.e. If you blame the driver, and Digital
all the time they will eventually run out of steam and put up with
the problems.
Still back to the preferred car list !!
Regards
Bruce
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| 1569.29 | PREFERRED car list <moved by mod> | WELCLU::YOUNG | | Wed Feb 10 1993 17:15 | 5 |
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Does anyone know when the preferred car list will be reviewed or when
the last order date on the existing list will be??
Richard (young)
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| 1569.30 | | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | Hypodeemic nerdle | Wed Feb 10 1993 17:42 | 6 |
| Richard,
The preferred list is updated from time to time, but it is completely
reviewed each July.
Roy
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