Conference terri::cars_uk

re .-1

>    ago. BTW, it's a 1.7 engine in the turbo because they need the extra
>    space around the cylinders and heads for the extra cooling required.
You are almost correct while I was utterly wrong. The actual cc is 1769 (the
1.9 is actually 1905).
    
>    	Out of interest, what is a "Meteor" BX?? 
It's one of those special edition jobbies with alloy wheels, metallic paint & 
rally seats. This quote is pretty poor value as the difference in list price 
between the bog standard TGD Estate & the Meteor Estate is only 360 pounds so 
you would have paid the uplift 3x over by the end of the lease. I must say that 
I don't really understand this as the TGD lease cost is actually less than the 
standard car as even having a tow-bar added doesn't bring it up above the zero 
cost level. So the real incremental cost of the Meteor is 330 + cost of a tow 
bar.

Nigel

    Has anyone else seen the latest 'Newsflash' at the front of Car Fleet
    VTX?  It says that no quotes received after yesterday (9th September)
    will be processed, and any orders have to be in by 19th September,
    after which "our system will be upgraded in line with the new policy
    and we will have 'enquiry only' access".
    
    Comment - yet again announcements/policy changes affecting the car
    scheme come out of the blue.  I don't know how long the message about
    these deadlines has been visible, but it can't have been long...
    
    Question - Does this mean that we can only order against the basket of
    quotes in future - i.e. no non-standard orders?  If so, this directly
    contradicts what I was told by Car Fleet?  If it is not the case, why
    impose the cut-off on quotations?
    
    As it happens, I got my quotation request (for a Peugeot 405 GTD Turbo
    estate) to Fleet in the nick of time.  I will post the figure in this
    Note when I get it.
    
    Ian
    
                                         

    re .5
    I actually spotted this note on VTX last Friday (pretty sure it 
    was not there before) which means that no notice of impending 
    change was given to anyone. It was one of the reasons I spoke to 
    Car Fleet to speed up the quotes/order in process
    
    However the disclaimer that has been on VTX since July-ish did 
    state that until the new system arrived any exceptions would be 
    treated as one-offs so I suppose the "system" has been followed to 
    the letter.  
    
    Alan (quote/order in nick of time!)

re .0

>computer problem - heaven forbid). I haven't got a delivery date yet but doubt 
>that it will be before my current 30 month lease is up in 10 days time. I'm 
>currently at 57K miles & counting.

I was almost wrong. I've just had a delivery date of the 1st October so that's 
only a fortnight after my old lease is up.

Nigel

    Dear Mr. Moderator.
    
    Posting the previous here contravenes the rules for conferences. Items
    should only be posted with the *Author's* permission.
    
    I do not believe the manager concerned had any right to give permission
    to pre-empt communication to the whole company on the agreed date, even
    to this limited and interested audience.
    
    JohnK
    

    
    Some interesting prices too...(As usual?)
    
    How come a Calibra 16v is cheaper than the Cavalier GSi?
    
    List price is higher on the Calibra and the insurance and supply
    factors would seem to make the Calibra a dearer car to buy and run.
    
    Mark

    How do I set my terminal to 132?
    
    .Craig

>>    <<< Note 1538.11 by COMICS::WEGG "Some hard boiled eggs & some nuts." >>>

>>       I assume the first few quotes are minus numbers, if not, those
>>       Fiestas are a rip off!
    
    Read the text and it explains!
    Ordering a car item 3
    
    Richard

    I am sitting pretty, since my car was delivered in August. So, I have a
    new car, which does not appear on the "Standard List", and if it did,
    would undoubtedly cost three times as much.
    
    This brings me to my point. I was rather under the impression that the
    new car scheme would save the company money in terms of administration.
    I was also led to believe that it would save the driver money,
    economies of scale arguements being used, among others. So, why does my
    previous car now cost #587 pounds, whereas it previously cost me #179
    for the same spec ? Why does a Cavalier SRi now cost #1,049 squids,
    whereas they used to be in the #600-#800 range ? I have the oddest
    feeling that my current car will be with me for a very long time !!
    
    Colin

>>         <<< Note 1538.14 by SHAWB1::HARRISC "Not very nice at all" >>>

>>    How do I set my terminal to 132?
    
>>    .Craig
At the notes propt enter
    Eve set width 132   
    then press <ctrl>Z
    
    Richard

>>            <<< Note 1538.12 by VOGON::KAPPLER "but I manage ..." >>>
>>                -< This is typical pre-announcement behaviour >-

>>    Dear Mr. Moderator.
    
>>    Posting the previous here contravenes the rules for conferences. Items
>>    should only be posted with the *Author's* permission.
    
>>    I do not believe the manager concerned had any right to give permission
>>    to pre-empt communication to the whole company on the agreed date, even
>>    to this limited and interested audience.
    
>>    JohnK
    
    
    I agree, the authority should be given by the AUTHOR Alastair wright.
    As it wasn't I've set it hidden. I'll reveal it on the 27th.
    
    Richard

    Thanks for the advise on setting up my terminal.....
    But now I now how to read the note you've set it hidden!!
    
    I'll be quicker next time!
    
    ..Craig

    Just let me explain the reason for my protest..........
    
    1) There are certain items in the processes of new car sheme which are 
    not mentioned in the communication (e.g. non-standard quotes not being
    publically available on VTX), which I have queried with Alastair
    Wright. Hopefully these will be sorted before the communication on
    the 27th.
    
    2) The Preferred Car List clearly states it is not the actual one.
    Therefore speculating about prices now may well be a waste of everyones
    time.
    
    JK

    Well it's the 27th, I've not seen the mail. Can anyone confirm if it
    has gone out or was it delayed?.
    
    When can I release .10?.
    
    Richard

    I've not received a public copy yet. Last mail from Alastair Wright to
    me (Weds. pm) said they were still trying to figure out an answer to at
    least one of my questions (-:!
    
    JK

re.23;

.... to understand how you can have questions about something that hasn't 
yet been published?

Or is there some kind of review committee in place for this, and if so,
who is my representative?

Peter.

    As this was sent to Rob's manager, the reviewers are probably the
    managers.
    
    Richard
    
    

Well, it's now the last day in September, and still no quotes/
fixed price list on VTX. What is going on?


Ian

    
    Car Fleet VTX has just gone off the air (leastways, it's not available
    from Basingstoke).  Does this mean they're finally updating it with the
    new standard quotes??!!
    
    Watch that space...
    
    Ian

    Re .27
    
    Nope!
    
    Ian

    Well they're half way there this morning:
    

                    Digital UK Fleet Administration

                   1 Preferred Car List
                   2 Fleet Admin. News
                   3 UK Insurance Services (Auto accident and theft)
    
                        Car Fleet Administration.
    

			VAX/VTX with VTXprep             

        Please refer to Fleet News letter for latest information.
    

I've just had a mail from one of the managers herem saying she contacted fleet
yesterday, and was told the information is being mailed out hard copy,
and that the process has started (whatever that means!)

So watch your in trays.....

and hope it doesn't go the way of my copy of Connect, which  still hasn't
turned up!

Peter.

> yesterday, and was told the information is being mailed out hard copy,

apparently only to existing lease car holders...

what about everyone else ???

    Dear Mr Moderator,
    
    Any chance of 'unhiding' Reply .10 now?
    
    Ian

    Anyone know what will happen with 'finding your own deals'.
    
    ie a friends car scheme, they can go to a garage and say 'What deal can
    you do for me?'
    
    So based on the standard fleet purchasing price, they can get metallic
    paint etc as a freebie!
    
    Greg

    Since when have we been able to 'finding your own deals'.
    
    I believe at one time you could let the leasing company know that a
    garage had the model you require to cut down waiting time, but as the
    car supplied has to match the quote exactly I would be most surprised
    that a garage could throw in any freebies as you suggest.
    
    Roy

    Thats my point Roy.
    
    If we have 'fixed prices' what's to stop me finding a better deal at
    the SAME FIXED PRICE?
    
    Greg

    Unfortunately Greg the scheme is not very flexible. The 'Preferred car
    list' prices are agreed costs between DEC and Hertz/PHH.
    
    The thing that will stop us finding a good deal is the fact that the
    lease companies do not want to talk to employees, they deal only with
    car fleet.
    
    As it will be a fixed price for the year, 
    the company will save money because the allowance will
    not have to be reviewed every 3 months as was necessary.
    
    The biggest hole that I can see in the new scheme is with the
    individual quotes that will be necessary if you want a car not on the
    list. You will have to submit a quote in the same way as the old scheme
    and will get a price based on the current lease costs. The problem is
    that its quite likely that that the lease costs will increase somewhat
    over the period of a year, so whilst a quote submitted shortly after
    the yearly review (July) should be quite reasonable, the same quote the
    following year just before the allowance is reviewed is likely to be
    comparitably expensive. This of course will not affect the company as
    the inflated prices will be passed directly on to employee. So in short
    it would appear that there would be no advantage in choosing a car from
    the list at the beginning of the fiscal year as an individual quote
    will be reasonable. However, at the end of the fiscal year forget about
    getting a quote as the cost will be prohibitably high and choose a car
    from the list.
    
    As the new scheme has not been made public yet, these comments are of
    course only conjecture. Hopefully this will be clarified.
    
    Regs,
    
    Roy
    
    

    re:-1 Let me add a little further conjecture. On the ass-u-me-ption
    that the preferred list will be as expensive as it currently appears,
    relative to the scheme up to July '91, car fleet could actually cost
    the company more to run.
    
    People will look at the preferred list, say 'whoa', put in a couple
    of quotes, and then choose their car on the basis that at least a
    quote may be better than the preferred list. This could easily mean
    processing as many quotes as before, AND maintaining the so-called
    'preferred' list.
    
    This brings another question to mind. Who exactly prefers the
    'preferred' list ?? Not me on current information.
    
    DISCLAIMER - I have no particular axe to grind. I got a nice new car
    only 4,500 miles ago (i.e. 2 months). I have a feeling that, as long as
    it isn't nicked or damaged !, I shall be keeping it for some time !!
    
    The new system has the makings of a *great* car fleet system, and can
    save the company money, iff it is sufficiently attractive for people to
    use properly.
    
    Colin

re .36

But Roy, the garage MUST know the cost?

This is similiar to my friends scheme, I think. They have a fixed lease
and they can pay for extra's. 

However some very good deals have been done by garages anxious to get
some business!

Greg

    Wow !!
    
    Car fleet have now added another whole page to the wonderful new
    preffered car list option.
    
    1. Preffered list guidelines
    
    2. Preffered Car List
    
    Either option gives you the message. Soon to be appearing
    
    When ???????? 

    Why the hurry ? After all the new scheme is not operative until 
    Oct 1st.
    
    Oh, That was yesterday :-)
    
    Roy

    Well this morning in my in-tray is a very dapper letter about the
    scheme, saying the list will be on VTX soon (it isn't yet). So I am now
    going to un-hide .10, as it is now in the public domain.
    
    I have checked the wording, it is IDENTICAL. Only the car list is
    missing now, so treat the one in .10 as FYI only, and not a tablet of
    stone!
    
    Richard

    Further to Richards actions mentioned in the previous note I have
    deleted .10.
    
    I was wrong to post the note there as it was intended for a limited
    audience (managers only). I don't wish to be a spoil sport but the new
    list will be available in vtx shortly.
    
    Roy (author of .10 and regret it)

The main thing missing from the list is 0 rated cars...only 1 is there a 1.6L
cavalier...

They are all "fat" cars as well, no small cars in the list at all ! 

Well I for one, can't use the list...ah well, so much for making life easier...

    RE .44, Rob I don't thin there was a need to remove the message, yes 
    the list is not accurate, but it carries many disclaimers.
    
    
    Re .45 As the original list had many below '0' cars that could have 
    options fitted to bring up to '0'. There were also several small cars, 
    just look at page 1 (<xxx> is a below zero number)
    


      THIS LIST IS REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW THE QUOTES WILL APPEAR, AND IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY
      ======================================================================================

                                           F Y 9 2   PREFERRED   C O M P A N Y   C A R   L I S T

 
                                                 ALL QUOTES BASED ON 36 MONTHS/36000 MILES

 
             Model and          Driver  Insurance   Sun    Sun   Alloy    PAS    ABS    Met   Elec    Cat   Auto  Radio  Alarm
             No of doors          Cost    Group     Man  Elect   Wheel                Paint   Wind   Conv  Trans
 
       FORD FIESTA 1.6S  (3)      <589>      4        35    N/A    64(1)  N/A    101     41  64(1)    N/A    N/A     S    86 
     FORD FIESTA 1.4 GHIA (5)     <493>      4*        S    N/A    N/A    N/A    104     41      S     ??    259     S    86
  VOLKSWAGWEN GOLF 1.6 CL (5)     <328>      4        52    N/A    142    126    N/A     33    137      S    143     S    86
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.6 DRIVER (5)    <313>      4         S    N/A    N/A    126    N/A     33    137     16    143     S    86
      PEUGEOT 309 1.6 GLX (5)     <274>      4         S    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A     39     83    N/A    N/A     S    86
   VAUXHALL ASTRA 1.6L EST.(5)    <260>      4         S    N/A    N/A     70    193     41    N/A    N/A    230     S    86
    RENAULT 19 1.9 GTD (5)        <241>      4       N/A      S    N/A     75    N/A     37      S    N/A    N/A     S    86
  VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 1.6 CLD (5)     <238>      4        51    N/A    142    125    N/A     33    137    N/A    143     S    86
       CITROEN BX19 TDG           <205>      4       N/A      S     47      S    N/A     47      S    N/A    293     S    86
    VAUXHALL ASTRA 1.6 GL  (4)    <173>      4         S    N/A    N/A     70    193     41      S    N/A    230     S    86
     CITROEN BX19 TDG (EST)       <140>      4       N/A    N/A     47      S    N/A     48      S    N/A    293     S    86
     VAUXHALL ASTRA 1.6 GL (5)    <125>      4         S    N/A      S     70    193     41      S    N/A    230     S    86
      CITROEN BX 1.6 TGS           <77>      4         S      S     47     85    N/A     48      S    N/A    293     S    86
         ROVER 214 Si  (5)         <66>      4        85    N/A    N/A     83    218     47     69     61    N/A     S    86
     FORD ESCORT 1.6 GHIA (5)      <37>      4         S    N/A    N/A     78    110     41      S     89    259     S     S
        CITROEN ZX AURA            <20>      4       N/A      S      S     96    N/A     46      S     72    N/A     S    86
    VAUXHALL CAVALIER 1.6 L (4/5)     0      4         S    N/A    N/A    116    193     43      S     44    197     S    86
      PEUGEOT 205 1.6 GTi   (3)      15      5        37    N/A      S     82    136     37     62    N/A    N/A     S    86
    VAUXHALL CAVALIER 1.8L  (4/5)    33      4         S    N/A    N/A    116    193     43      S     44    197     S    86

Re: .46

    
>    Re .45 As the original list had many below '0' cars that could have 
>    options fitted to bring up to '0'. There were also several small cars, 
>    just look at page 1 (<xxx> is a below zero number)
    
OK, so I didn't understand that the <> meant negative.

I still don't consider any of the cars in the list "small" either in engine 
size or physical size.

    Jane, the list is a "preferred list". If the car you would like is not
    on it I believe quotes can still be submitted in the same way as
    before.
    
    Roy

The new list is now on VTX... anyone explain the complete dissapearance
of any Vauxhall Astra's???

Are they dangerous or something?



Xtine

    
    Just looked at the preferred list.
    
    Over 1/3 of the cars on it cost over 2000 pounds! Is this really going
    to help a lot of the people out there decide on their cars without
    putting in quotes? Maybe I'm in the wrong function! 8-[
    
    There are only 4 cars under 200 pounds which have a 1.4 engine (three
    of which are Rovers!).
    
    Out of the people in my unit, I can see absolutely no-one who will be
    using this preferred list at all!
    
    Steve.
    

>><<< Note 1538.47 by SHIPS::ALFORD_J "an elephant is a mouse with an oper. sys." >>>

>>I still don't consider any of the cars in the list "small" either in engine 
>>size or physical size.

    A ford fiesta 1.4 isn't "small" either in engine size or physical size????
    
    Then what is, 
    
    
    RE another about astra's, if you look in the guidelines:
    
    >>The selection of Vauxhall Astras and VW Golf's is currently limited due
    >>to the impending announcement of the new models/prices.
    
    Richard

>    A ford fiesta 1.4 isn't "small" either in engine size or physical size????
>    
>    Then what is, 

less than 1.4  and a whole heap of cars that are narrower/shorter/approx-the-
same than/as the Fiasco, and BTW a *LOT* better quality/quantity etc.


I see no reason why Fords should be imposed on us, (IMHO) cheap tacky 
overpriced cars at best, with the only alternatives a pug or a v.expensive
VW.... 

    Re: .52
>>Preferred list ?  Preferred by whom ?????
    
    I quote from the "The New Car Scheme" mailshot :-
    
    "..The list includes the most popular models on the fleet se;ected by
    employees over the past 12 months...."
    
    If the above is actually true [ :-) ] then I think it answers your
    question.
    
    Stevie.

    
    re -.1
    
    It certainly does reflect the most popular cars. Here in Snams there
    are loads of Jaguar XJ6 3.2I 4DR saloons, Ford Scorpio 2.9I 24V 5DR
    autos etc. in the car part :-)
    
    Tony

>                -< Big expensive cars very popular in Snams ! >-

Is that why the lease on Snams (rumour) is being expired ??

:-)

       Well I love the VTX preferred car list. The way it dynamically
       sets your workstation window through a variety of dimensions in
       rapid (or not so rapid) succession is very entertaining.

       Try going back a page when you're already on the first one.

       I find it hard to believe the list really contains the most popular
       cars of the last year. Why is there no Pug 205 1.9 GTi??  There are
       so many in the UVO car park, you have to remember your registration
       number.

       Ian.

  
	How to make a New Car perferred list:

	Take the list of most popular cars ordered from fleet last year.
	
	Run it through "Can't Have That" selection filter 

	Add a few extra models for completeness (Jags etc)

	Add more caveats than an IBM proposal

	QED !!

	Tell it to the USERS


	Le Badger

    .59 is the best explanation of the new scheme I've read yet :-)

     re: -2
    
    Bit like the Digital price book, if we can't get equipment offerings
    right, how the hell can we expect to get a car offering list right.
    
     

I just looked on VTX for the preferred car list but it seems to have
gone again!

I could read the Guidelines however, and discovered that "The Fixed
Price scheme is not available to non-supplement holders."  Anybody care
to hazard a guess why this is?  It doesn't seem difficult to add the
amount of the supplement to the price shown to get a price for
non-supplement holders.

Jon

    
    
    Why should ANYONE pay insurance anyway?
    

The car list seems to lack "cheap" cars! Maybe the this-is-not-a-pay-freeze
didn't affect Car Fleet personnel.

Personally, I'd have liked to have seen the "popular models" (ie Ford, GM,
Rover, Renault, Peugeot) listed with ALL available models. It seems
a little strange that you have to submit a quote request for a Rover 216SLi
yet a BMW, Saab, or Merc is available on the list.

Just think of all that money that'll have to be spent getting a new list made
up!


Ian

    I'd agree the Rover list seems peculiar.... There's no 414 SLi but
    there is a 214SLi.....
    
    Guess I just drive an "unpopoular" car!
    
    JK

    re .64
    
    You pay insurance if
    1) You can't afford the loss if the insured against event happens.
       (e.g. huge third party claims for damages)
    and
    2) The event is not likely to happen to you (e.g. your own car written
       off)
    
    I imagine that digital would have third party insurance even if it was
    not required by law. There is no need for comprehensive insurance as
    the cost of the inevitable incidents can be spread over the whole car
    fleet, and be less than the corresponding insurance.
    
    Noone would take out insurance against a puncture, because the risk
    doesn't satisfy the above criteria. I.e. punctures are likely to
    happen, and the cost of one is not going to break you. So the cost of
    insurance would be greater than the expected loss.
    
    Andrew

    If this is a attem,pt to cut down admin costs in fleet, I don't think
    it'll work. 
    
    With such a small choice of small cheap cars, people will be subnitting
    more quotes than before! On the old list of quotes, there were far more
    small cheap cars (especially cars under 1.4 litres).
    
    How many Jags have you seen in DEC car-parks!
    
    Steve.
    

    RE. .69..
    
    	WELL AT WIMGROVE THERE ARE SIX...

    
    	I see that our wondeful Car leasing people have again removed the
    Perfered car list. WHY ???  How can anyone ever be expected to order a
    new car if the list is not visible for any thing longer than 10 mins.
    !!!
    
    	I Feel so Quote pads being used coming on...................
    
    
    			Frustrated.... Want to change my car...Richard.
    
    P.S.  (Any one know of Digitals eqiv. of A. Daly, Maybe he can deliver
    the goods)
    
    				BYE. 

  Re .71:

  I was beginning to think it was just me.... I have just returned from hols
  all expectant, like... but I might have guessed they meant September spelt
  O-c-t-o-b-e-r. I have been waiting for around 3 months to see what the numbers
  are like so I can decide whether to join the lease scheme - or hock myself up
  to my neck and buy my own there are some incredible deals on offer but the
  interest/insurance is a drawback).

  Incidentally, has anyone not received the list in the post??? I seem to find
  that a number of people who I know have... of course I might just have been
  forgotten - but who can tell???

  Cheers
  Andy

>>    <<< Note 1538.72 by SIEVAX::MUMFORD "Don't try to outweird ME!!!!!!!" >>>
>>                            -< What was where???? >-

>>  Incidentally, has anyone not received the list in the post??? I seem to find
>>  that a number of people who I know have... of course I might just have been
>>  forgotten - but who can tell???

    No, All I received was the full letter. The list was not included.
    Perhaps those that had the list were heading towards renewal anyway?.
    
    Richard

    In the next few months I have to decide which car I want to drive 
    for the next 3 years. I looked at the preferred list and there just
    wasn't much that interested me.
                                              
    I don't want a car that's bigger than a 1.4 for tax reasons - why pay
    a lot more for little extra. 

    There's also a lot of new cars coming out which won't be on the list
    because they're not popular - yet.

    I need to do some more investigation and arrange some test drives
    but the two new cars I'm thinking about at the moment are:

      o  Peugeot 105 XSi
      
      o  Citroen AX GTi

    Both share the same 100BHP engine (<1.4) with insurance group 5 and
    have a list price of 10,000 - a couple of hundred pounds more than the
    1.4 Fiesta Ghia (which is by far the cheapest car on the the preferred 
    list). 
    
    Both cars have had impressive write-ups from a number of car
    magazines. If fact they're wondering why anyone would want to buy a 
    205 GTi (1.6) when the 105 XSi is so much better - and costs so much
    less.
      
    When I get them I'll put the quote(s) in here, but if anyone else is
    also thinking along the same lines I'd be interested in hearing about
    it.

    Alex.

    If you do putquotes in here, please remember to state what type of user
    your are. I think the three categories are: Supplement Holder,
    Non-supplement Qualified User, and Non-supplement non-qualified User.
    
    It is not clear ot me that quotes are the same across those three
    categories.
    
    JK

    Re. -2.
    
    Saw both the 106XSI and the AX GTI on Sat at Motorfair and out of the
    two without driving them my vote would go for the 106. Looks and feels
    a lot better made than the AX and isn't nearly as ugly. The 106 has as
    much room inside as the 205, the only bits that are smaller are the
    bonnet and the boot.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Spike. 

    RE. -1
    
    I hadn't thought of going to the Motorfair - Mmmmmm it would be good to 
    see them both at the same time - Thanks.
    
    RE: -2  OK
    
    Alex.

    Has anyone obtained a quote for the Nissan 200SX since the new system
    price list became available. I initially had one ordered and it was
    cancelled, prior to delivery. FLEET will not process a quote for me 
    until the new year as all the leases have been extended. I'd appreciate
    any information you have. 
    
    
    Gary.

You must be earning a packet !!! I reckon they must be in
the region of 2.5 - 3 grand!


ian

    From VTX guidelines...
    
    Ordering a car
    
    Quotes/orders for replacement cars will not be accepted more than 3
    months prior to current lease expiry date.
    
    When is your renewal date?, was it close when your lease was extended,
    or is it stillmore than 3 months away?.
    
    Richard

I think that we need some way of disseminating quotes on
"non-preferred" cars, so that we can see if they are much
more expensive.

I'm disappointed that the Renault 19 16V isn't there. I've
certainly seen a lot of them in Snam & Hamps car parks!

Mark.

    Someone in our office just took delivery of a 200, lease cost not
    calculated by fleet yet due to extending the lease, but was expected to
    be about 1,600 - 1,700, fleet still waiting for lease Co to come up
    with a new price for 36 months.
    
    It wasn't the expensive 200 (ie. no CD player)
    
    Stevie

My delivery date was 04-oct-1991 when all the leases were extended. The lease 
has been extened to April. My original price was 1750 pounds, I was stretched to 
limit on that and just wonder what the new cost will be.

    
    Just got a quote back Honda CRX Vtec  at 1560ish for a supplement holder,
    thats about 50% up on the last two quotes I've tried for the same car.
    The first cancelled because of the VAT increase the second because of
    the car scheme re-vamp. 
    
    WHAT A RIP OFF... this is more expensive than a local Honda dealer
    quoted for a one off lease.
    
    If quotes like this keep up I can see me keeping my current car until
    they come and take it off me...
    
    I'm still waiting for a quote back for the R19 16V, the last quote I
    had was 550ish, will post it when it arrives. 
    
    								G.P
    
    
    

    Re. -1.
    
    I will be very interested indeed to see what the quote for the R19 16v
    comes out at, and how it matches the price I pay for mine which I got in
    August. What spec is the quote for - any extras?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Spike.

    
    RE: R19 16V
    
    Only metallic paint (that great blue colour!).
    
    What did you pay for yours?
    						
    

    
    Isn't that really odd? We seem to be paying more for 36mths/60,000
    than 30 mths/30,000.
    
    worralorracrap.

like the BX TZD Turbo, which is a couple of hundred quid cheaper on the new
scheme than the old.... but I haven't tried to do any real comparisons,
as I have my current car for an extra 21 months now.

Amybody want to swap for a black TZD Turbo with ABS and air con? It's only
slightly more expensive for you to take over my car than to get a brand
new one....

Peter.

    
    
    What are the fleet buyers upto, given that:
    
    - Interest rates are coming down 
    
    - Lease period has increased by six months 
    
    - Better deals on the price are available given the recent price
      slashes 
    
    
    Surely the lease price should should come down, as usual Digital gets
    sce*wed again.
    

    Several people have commented on why the lease cost hasn't gone down 
    despite increasing the lease time by six months.
    
    The lease costs have gone down but so has the allowance.
    Therefore the 'driver' price is more or less the same.
    
    Digital is making a saving here, but we are not.
    
    Roy

    
    
    I had a quote about a month ago for the Honda Civic GL saloon. This has
    Power steering, electric sunroof, electric windows (all 4) and mirrors,
    and a 1.4 litre 16v engine all as STANDARD. The quote price is 300.00.
    
    

    
>    The lease costs have gone down but so has the allowance.

Huh ?  what allowance has gone down ???

    re .last
    

    It certainly explains that the benefit has been reduced and that
    scheme participants will have to dig deeper into their own pockets.
    The R19 16v example shows were getting screwed by the leasing companies
    as well.
    
    worralotmorecrap.

    

    
    Just for interests sake I got a private quote for a CRX Vtec from my
    next door neighbor who works for a leasing company in Liverpool. The
    quote he got me undercut our leasing quote by about 800 pounds per
    year. Even in you take our insurance into account we are still being
    RIPPED OFF. Further more he said that a complany with volume such as
    ours could expect another 10 percent or so off. 
    
    Ringing up car fleet (many times because they NEVER reply to messages)
    got the standard "Nothing to do with us, thats what were given" when I
    told them our quote was too high. I would have thought that the job of
    Car Fleet was to get the best deals saveing us and the company money,
    not let the leasing companies walk all over us......
    
    
    						Flame off G.P

    I'm told that the main reason our quotes are coming in so high at
    present is that the bottom has dropped out of the used car market,
    making our leasing companies project low residual values.
    
    The issue is being checked out both from the perspective of our deal
    with the leasing companies, and to ensure employees will not be
    disadvantaged. However, these things take time .......
    
    JK
    
    p.s. As an aside, many companies are now using schemes that will only
    take used cars into their fleets. They pick up 1-year old cars from
    auction, lease them in the usual way, but are making a tremendous
    saving just becuase of the market situation.
    

    
    Re .108
    
    Spot on. We should not and must not be made to pay for the incompetency
    of the leasing companies we use.
    
    Question: Are new lease quotes based on 36 mths/36000 or 36mnths/60000?
    
    If it's the latter, it's not suprising that some lease quotes have
    gone up compared with the 30mnth/30,000 we used to work with. Perhaps
    another undisclosed employee benefit?
    
    Richard.

There's been some very good points raised in the last few notes which 
would be a shame to waste. How about collecting these together and sending 
them to Alistair Wright?

/Dave.

    
    I met socially today with one of the managers of our leasing scheme (ie the
    leasing end). Whilst we leant on the bar, not discussing Digital, he told 
    me the leasing companies completely underestimated the crash in residuals
    this year, hence the rise in prices. He said their net profit contribution
    has not increased at all.
    
    He's a straight guy, who I know well enough for him to tell me his
    version without him dressing it up.
    
    
    Colin
    

The R19 16V quote with metalluc paint as the only option came back
today at 850ish, a quote that six months ago was 550ish. Very disapointing....

Hillary Baily at car fleet has been very helpful with my CRX quote, the first 
person that I have ever known from that group showing any initiative. PHH and
HERTZ got an on the road price of 14200ish pounds which cost me 1550ish on the 
scheme. I could get the price to 14000 at the local dealer without trying so 
Hillary got back in touch with the lease companies who re-negotiated to 13800. 
This has saved a bit but it is still out of my range, a shame as before the 
budget I had the same car on order for 1026....life is a bitch..

The car scheme has been revised for the worse. When it was shut down we 
were told that when it came back it would be more competitive. What
has actually happened is the company has taken the any saving by dropping the 
allowance by 200 pa and extending the lease period, thus taking any 
savings itself. All this in a year when theres been a virtual pay freeze. Nice
one Digital. Come to think of it this is a pay cut as the car benifit
has dropped in terms of car age and the cost to the employee...
  
Perhaps if the allowance had stayed at 3400 than both parties would have 
benifited...now that does sound like a sensible idea.


								G.P 

    
    I would have thought that the Pug has a better resale value (or
    anticipated one, since the AX GTi is quite new).
    
    Mark

    RE: -1
                                                              
    I think you're right but I'm still a bit surprised. I did check with
    car fleet and they confirmed the price with HERTZ. 
    
    Alex.

    The quotes I've seen recently (in this conference) seem to be
    expensive. I would think as time progresses they will become more
    expensive still until the car allowance (supplement) is increased
    again. As the company has provided the preferred list which will not
    get revised until July, I doubt that the allowance will be reviewed
    until then.

    Lease costs will increase all the time so individual quotes will be priced
    accordingly whereas the fixed list will remain the same.

    I think the people in the best position are those with leases that
    expire around july/august so that individual quotes will benefit from
    the recently revised allowance.

    Maybe the answer is to take over a car with 8 or 9 months lease left
    so that it expires at that time (you will also get the new reg :-) ).

    - Roy

    Well I just received a verbal confirmation via car fleet/leasing
    company on the two Peugeot 106 quotes I asked for. If you remember
    I'd also asked for the Citroen AX GTi (which I asked to be rechecked)
    and still came out at a 250+ driver cost for a supplement holder.

    106 XSi with all extra's except ABS = zero driver cost

    106 XSi with anything (ABS etc) = zero driver cost.

    As the 106 is a much better (in my opinion) and more expensive car, 
    guess which one I'm going to choose....... its a 1.4 as well so 
    the tax position is good.

    Alex. 
    

	Could I ask the moderator to move the actual quotes to a separate
	 note that would be read only ?

	This would make browsing easier for people, and they could use this
	 for replies etc.

	(Yea it's friday)

	PS. I like the 24 months of -last 

	Tom.

    The 24 months of .-2 is probably because of (expected) high milages.
    
    As I understand if the lease is for 60,000 miles or 36 months - which
    ever is sooner. So if you expect to cover 30,000 miles a year then the
    lease will be for 24 months.
    
    	Rik
    
    Note that _you_ pay the same independent of the milage, Digital pickes
    up the ``high milage excess''.

    Considering that the 19 16v is around #800, that sounds excellent
    value!
    
    Paul (who might be interested in one if it goes well on motorway
    touring)

    Probably cheaper because the Clio is 2 grades lower insurance than the
    19 16V on the new 1-16(?) scale
    
    
    Greg

    I wonder how do they justify that then? I'd have thought it would be 
    higher if anything.
    
    Cheers,   
    
    Spike

I thought it had an ignition immobiliser.

Mark.

    
    Why would anyone want an MX-3 OR a Celica? These two cars challenge the
    Mini Marcos when it comes to styling?
    
    Mark

    
    
    
    	Car Fleet should allow you to see how they worked that one out,
    	the unsatisfactory answer that you said you received was because
    	they simply made it up. The car does about 83 MPH flat out
    	accelerates to 60 in about 16 seconds, a lot of the mechanicals
    	are not specific to the Frontera.  Taking all these facts into
    	consideration why inded is it so expensive.
    
    	Over the 3 year lease, they would (phh,hertz) be recieving about
    	2-3 grand more than the car costs to buy !!!
    
    	Has anyone any idea how car fleet calculate the prices on the
    	scheme ?
    
    
    	C

    Car Fleet don't calculate the prices. The lease companies do.
    
    JfK

    
    
    	I actually meant how do Hertz PHH calculate the cost, I know that
    	car fleets function is to..err.........what is their function.
    
    	I would of thought that somebod at car fleet would know how it's
    	calculated though.  I'm interested in finding out.
    
    
    
    	CRb

Maybe PHH/Hertz/Car Fleet make the asumption that, if you buy a big 4x4, 
you're going to be driving it off-road (Nah ! Surely not...;-), so the residual
value for a 3-year-old vehicle which has gone up and down a few mountains
will be substantially less than one which has stayed on the black-stuff.

Or maybe they make the assumption that the second-hand-car-buying public
will feel that way.

Or maybe they assume that it's going to cost a lot more in repairs and 
maintenance, because of its more rugged lifestyle ?

Why there should be that much difference between the 3- and 5-door, I'm not
sure, unless they feel that *seriously* rugged drivers wouldn't bother with the
mere 3-door ?

I want to know why they quote the fuel mileage for a constant 75mph
in 4WD....doesn't seem something you'd want to do very often......;-)


Ian

>>Or maybe they assume that it's going to cost a lot more in repairs and 
>>maintenance, because of its more rugged lifestyle ?
    
    But in this case, they would charge the driver for 'vehicle abuse' !
    
    J.R. (maybe they would be right, who am I to argue ?)

Where have all the Nissan's gone?


	Ian

    
    Hi... I recieved a couple of quotes for the frontera .The 2.0l sport
    with alloy wheels,electrics,front nudge bars, and metallic paint came
    in at #928.00. The diesel turbo with the same options came in at
    2002.00. this was before the budget,and so (hopefullly)should be
    cheaper now.
       Their is a small problem at the factory concerning the sport's
    reardoor seals,and according to phh,they have not yet recieved any
    delivery dates.
       I have recently submitted aquote request for the petrol estate
    version with alloy wheels as the only option and will post that quote
    here when it arrives.
    
    
    keith.

    Has anybody recieved a quote for a New Golf GTi yet?
    
    Andy

Nissan Sunny Gti 2.0 16v hatchback - standard (Black) 369 pounds

Renault Clio 16v - standard (red) 216 pounds

    369 for the Sunny GTI! WOW!
    
    Stuff the preferred car list. The Sunny list price is more than the
    Renault 19 16V which comes in at 815 on the list! Perhaps I can afford
    a more expensive car :^)
    
    Greg

    How long did these quotes take to come through from request to issue?
    
    Also, anybody had a Corrado Quote recently?
    
    Paul

> anybody had a Corrado Quote recently?
    

Salesman I know put in for one. Will try and get it off him..........

    Saw what proclaimed itself to be a Corrado G60 Supercharged
    yesterday...at least that is what it said on the tailgate. There was no
    "G60" bit on the front grill, but maybe that is only on the Golf.
    
    Looked a nice machine and had BBS spoked alloys on.
    
    Gary.

    Re: lease costs.
    
    It would appear that the idea of the preferred list has back fired this
    year as lease actually seem to of gone down rather than up.
    
    It would be a different story if individual quotes were costing "over
    the top" in which case the preferred list would be useful.
    
    If this trend continues then the actual car allowance may well drop to
    bring it back in line with the base lease cost of a cavalier 1.6L or
    whatever is used as a benchmark. In which case gets your quotes in
    before July. A bargain is sure to be had !
    
    Roy

     
    
    Hi,   more on the Frontera....
    
                longe wheelbase petrol Fontera with alloy wheels as the
    only option........#1870.
        This qute was returned 10-apr-91 (post budget)
    
       
    

    These are from a guy in our office:
    
    VW Corrado 16v Hatchback    1979
    BWM 318I			1897
    
    
    Greg

    What options did he have?
    
    Paul

    Mercedes 190E   1.8                Price    , 900 pounds.
    

No options on the Corrado
BMW 318 had sunroof + ice

re .15

Is there supposed to be a figure in front of the ,900??

Ian

    RE: .159
    
    Is the sunroof on the BMW 318i (Electric) or (Manual).??
    
    Cheers
    
    Andy

    Mazda 626 2.0i Automatic 1200

    Are these quotes for insurance per year or leasing per month- excuse
    the ignorance!!!

Quotes are for leasing per year - inclusive of insurance, after the car
supplement has been subtracted.


	Ian

can you let us know if this does prove to be a misquote.



	Ian

    This just goes to show that most of the quotes that have come in over
    the last month or so seem to be about 500 cheaper than normal.
    
    Expect the car allowance to go down in July :-(
    
    Roy

Re: .146

	I ordered the Nissan (who wouldn't at that price!) A couple of days 
later I get a photocopied sheet telling me that the proce is now 781 pounds.
(they had forgot to add the insurance, but the other quote the clio it was added)

This was after I got fleet to check the Nissan quote on two different occasions.
In addition the its does add up. Original price was 369 plus the insurance (400)
giving 769 as a total So why 781.......something fishy??


The moral of this sad tale is now matter how many times you check the quote, is 
only found to be too cheap when you order it...&}

Sean

After the hassle I had getting my car, I tend to have some doubt over 
anything I am told by car fleet.



	Ian

    
>    Expect the car allowance to go down in July :-(
    
 
	I have a mail that says as of 1-July 1991 people who take cars are
	overcompensated, and those who take the money are less-overcompensated.

	This was the reason given for people who take the money getting less
	then those who take the car.

	It didn't go down last year.........

	Heather

re .168

I thought that Nissan quote was too good to be true!

Greg

    
    I think this has been mentioned before, but........
    
    Is there a notes file specifically allocated or used for car quotes?
    Why can't car fleet post the quotes they get into a notes file, just
    like the good old days?
    
    I'm after something different this time round. I need to order in the
    next month...fancy a Mazda or Alfa..maybe a Nissan..anyone know of any
    good quotes for something a bit different????
    
    Martin
    

    At present I am waiting on a Quote from Fleet for the new Honda Prelude
    2.0i. However they have told me that they cannot provide a quote as
    they do not know which Insurance Bracket the car falls in to. I would
    have thought it a simple procedure, to check which Insurance group the
    car was in, either by phoning Insurance or the Honda dealers, however
    I'm told it's not that simple. Fleet must take their Insurance group
    from "WHAT CAR" magazine, and refuse to take it from any other source,
    the result of this is that the Insurance group is not in this months,
    or next months, so I will have to wait at least until June for a quote
    on this Car. Seems "CRAZY" to me, but I'm just a name and a number to
    them - Why should they worry.
    The car is priced similarly to the Honda Accord 2.0i manual, so I was
    wondering if anyone has received a quote for that model since the
    Budget, just to give me an idea of the price.
    
    Gary.

Call "WHAT CAR?" on 081-943-5637. Ask for KIM CLEARY - She is responsible for 
editorial data. Explain your predicament, she will probably be able to find
the insurance group for the Prelude. Take care, however, she will almost
certainly give you the new "ABI" rating - this is not acceptable to fleet
admin. Try to get the old rating if possible.
Forward the information to fleet admin - stating the source as "WHAT CAR?,
I'm sure you'll find they will be co-operative.


Andy.

Yeh, the new car scheme seems to be increasing admin and car
rental costs rather than reduce them. It'll be interesting to see 
whether they reassess the car scheme in july and change the 
format once again.



	Ian

I reckon they will keep it the way it is. The only way it was bad this
year was the sudden drop in car prices. If prices had gone up, the
preferred list would have been very good.

C'est la vie

Greg

But surely, because of the inadequate fixed price list, admin costs must
have increased. Apart from the odd note in here, we have no idea how
much to expect to pay for a car. Does anyone know how many quotes we
are allowed to submit? 

What happens if someone at DEC park puts in for a quote on an MR2 and
then someone at Viables does the same? Do they get back the same quote
or is the workload duplicated?

Ian

    re. 177
    
    The quote was put in by one of the engineers in my office.
    It is for a basic 190 E. The only option quoted for (so that he didnt
    get the "preffered car list price") was for a larger fuel tank !,
    the cheapest option available.
    And yes it is 900 pounds.
    But who wants a 190 E taxi anyway.
    
    
    Nick.
                                         

    
    I spoke to car fleet the other day and enquired about ordering a car
    from someone else's quote number (just like the good old days) but she
    said that the quotes were 'personal' and that if I wanted the exact
    same car I would have to put my own quote in. This sounds like
    mega-overheads, because the other guy's quote is still valid for a
    month, yet I can't order from that - I have to duplicate the whole
    process !!!!!!!!
    
    By the way, one of the chaps here has just ordered a Rover 220 GTi for
    just over 700 pounds. Good eh?
    
    Martin.

    
    
    The Merc quote was apparently minus the insurance !! But as the 
    delivery date has been confirmed Car fleet have decided the quote
    stands. I've seen the All-in-One with my own eyes and judgeing by the
    Mailing list there is quite a few happy expectant Car owners around.
    
    Chris

    
    
    	My car is up for renewal in August, I'm after a Renault 19 16V
    	Chamade next, they are 800 odd quid on the preferred car list
    	at the mo, but if you put a personal quote in then you can get
    	one for around 550, well worth doing. My question is, if I put 
    	a quote in NOW for a Renault, will it still be valid in
    	August.  My reasoning for this is that I reckon that the car
    	allowance wil go down and therefore I will have to pay more
    	if I put a quote in in June after the new preferred list
    	is produced.
    
    	Anyone know how long a quote will last for ?
    
    	C

    The quote form says that it's valid for one month, and gives you a date
    to order before.
    
    Andy

    Has anybody, or does anybody know of recent quotes that have been
    returned for the BMW 318is Coupe.??
    
    The way quotes are coming in at the moment (reasonable), compared to
    the preffered list.
    
    This particular model might look like a good option ????
    
    Andy

    RE: .184 
    
    Go for it Chris! When you get back a quote, submit the order specifying
    that the car should not be delivered until Aug 1st. There should be no
    probs. Remember, I ordered my RS from an existing quote (old scheme)
    in December '90 and specified that the car should not be delivered
    until the end of March '91. 
    
    Roy

re .184

>My car is up for renewal in August, I'm after a Renault 19 16V
>    	Chamade next, they are 800 odd quid on the preferred car list
>    	at the mo, but if you put a personal quote in then you can get
>    	one for around 550, 


Similiar situation as me, and the same car!!

VTX says:

You may commence the renewal procedure no more than three months in advance
of your termination date.

But I wonder who would check this? I'm going to submit my quotes 1st
June, for a car due October, and see what happens.

The letter from Alastair Wright states:

"Quotations will be valid for 30 days. Orders placed will be subject to
re-quote if the time between order and delivery exceeds five months"

The only "but" is what happens if they increase the supplement levels in July?

Greg

Has anybody seen any quotes for the following:


RS2000 Escort

220 GTI Rover

XR3i 130BHP Escort


As we only get two quotes, may as well get an idea to see what the prices are.


Shaz

> As we only get two quotes, 

You may only have 2 quotes going through the system at any one time.  As soon
as you get one back, you can send in another one...

    Is .190 the OFFICIAL view?
    
    I thought that you could have more than two quotes simultaneously, but
    only in extreme circumstances...
    
    
    Cheers,
    Stephen

    re: the OFFICIAL view?
    
    From vtx - Lease Car Renewal Guidelines.
    
    Please refer to the Preferred Car List... 
    Alternatively, you may submit 2 quotations of your own for cars not on
    this list.
    
    Roy
    
    PS I think that you may submit a further two quotes if you wait a month
       for the original quotes to expire. I wonder if this is ever checked?
       Unlike the order form, quotes do not need to be signed by a manager.

    Has anybody received any quotes for the Golf Gti yet.??
    
    Specicications & Costs appreciated. !!
    
    Thanks
    
    Andy

So if you can only submit 2 quotes, your quotes are private to you, 
and the preferred list is crap, then what happens if you don't like
the quotes?

	Ian

re .194

Ehm, why not ring car fleet and ask them.

Greg


PS substitute crap for another word, before you ask them ;^)

Re: (is it OFFICIAL)

That's what I was told by fleet when I rang to ask them about it.

The 2 quotes business is just to keep the paperwork (at any one time) down !!!!

    
    If they want to keep the paperwork down why are quotes personal????
    Why can't I order a car under someone else's quote number if I am doing
    the exact same job and want the exact same car for the exact same
    lease? Why do I have to inject my own paperwork into the system with
    the exact same details on it when there is already the same item kicking
    around and still valid for a further three weeks???
    
    Absolutely perplexed of Warrington. (Martin who has just quoted for
    Mazda 626 2.0i GLX hatchback)
    

    RE: .188
    
    "who would check this"
    
    If I was your cost centre manager I would. The oher proviso is that
    delivery must not be before your current vehicle term expires. And I
    check that as well, otherwise my CC ends up paying for the old vehicle!
    
    JfK

    re .197;
    
    maybe they are doing this to limit the impact of mistakes on the
    lease costs; remember the classic mistakes; like the BMW 3-series
    convertible, that was quoted by Hertz as a standard saloon; about
    10 people ordered off that quote, and it must have cost Hertz a
    few thousand quid to honour that quote.
    
    Peter.
    
    (who also can't see the logic of increasing admin overheads esp. in
    this day and age)
    

    Re: .188 & .198
    
    I agree that a manager would check when a new car is ordered, but
    as a quotation does not require his signature he would not have
    visibility of any quotes that are submitted. This is the point I think
    that .188 is making.
    
    Roy

re .200

That's my pointm does anyone check a QUOTE before allowing it to go
through the system?

Assuming a quote is valid for 30 days, and the order price is valid for
5 months, you have a 6 month window!

Greg

    Car Fleet have started to check expiry dates of existing lease vehicles
    as quotes are submitted.
    
    I put a quote in due to somebody taking over my car (special
    circumstances) and they bounced the quote because it was 6 months
    before the expiry date. It was highlighted on the returned quotes that
    I must re submit in 3 months.
    
    i.e You cannot start the order process at more than 3 months out.
    
    i.e 1 - 2 weeks to get quotes in and prices back and then 2 1/2 months
    until delivery.. Unless you are having something really exotic...!!!
    
    Andy

    
    If anyone out there is about to order a car from the 'standard' list
    and has not put any other quotes in would they be prepared to put a
    quote in for the new Escort Cosworth and tell us the number so that we
    can all have a laugh.
    
    
    Rich
    

I've never had the opportunity to have a company car on the lease scheme
and as such do not know about it's workings, however seeing as leasing is
basically another way of saying vehicle finance can you ask for a quote for
a nearly new car, i.e. less than a year old with lots of manufacturer's
warranty still left.

Has anybody suggested this or possibly done it?

I can see one large obstacle. I assume Hertz/PHH get huge discounts on new
cars which don't get passed on to the driver. It is possible that this
discount is large enough so that the new car costs the leasing company
about the same as a nearly new car to a private buyer. So why should they
finance a car with a visible price and visible profits when they can rake
it in with the existing arrangement.

Chris

Re .206,

> can you ask for a quote for a nearly new car

Afraid not.

I would have done this if it were possible.

Under the Digital lease scheme, you get a quote for a certain model of
car plus any extras.  You can't specify a specific garage or car so it
is impossible to get a quote for anything other than a brand new car.

Jon

    
    The last company I worked for leased from Hertz. I could (& did) have
    any car up to x pounds per month -- including any resales Hertz had in
    stock. Meant I took a 2-year old very pleasant motorcar for the cost
    of a new Cavalier.
    
    Now a few years back, but a personal contact in another lease company
    tells me all is possible.....
             

    
                  -< Re .208 by CHEFS::OSBORNEC >>>
                  -< Lease company will consider most things >-
    
    It's not the lease company that's inflexible in Digital. Only straight
    vanilla flavour options are considered ...less hassle I guess.
    
    Dave

In the spirit of I got a LOAD of help in here, I am inserting my two quotes
returned today .

Volvo SE turbo Estate 940  extras Cruise/Airbag/Elec sunroof/child seat for boot
                                  Elec rear window
                           DRIVER 3011  on road 20,282
Volvo SE turbo Estate 940  extras Cruise/Airbag/child seat for boot
                                   Elec rear window
                           DRIVER 2913  on road 19,939

The similarity was because I asked for a "Wentworth", but the request was
mistyped into the EDI system. I assume (everyone knows what ass-u-me means) that 
as the "Wentworth" and standard car are the same list, the quote should be 
similar. 

I need automatic and ABS and aircon, anyone know ANY other car that has been 
quoted to anyone (fiat 128 upwards!). Seriously, the auto's seem to mean
A: Forget the decent performers
B: If AUTO+aircon forget ABS
C: If AUTO+aircon+ABS see taxman about new "benefits in kind scale" 

So far I have a chance (if I can get another quote!!!) on the Volvo, if I drop 
some options. 

No flames on the auto please, my wife only drives auto.

Jim Gay (new to this fleet roller-caoster, but learning fast!).

Re: .21

I don't know about quotes for the car, but how about a Vauxhall Senator 3.0CDi ?

Auto/Aircon/Abs/6cyl power/All the gadgets!

~Richard

Mark,

thanks, I have had a go at asking Vauxhall (Newbury) about the Carlton.

On a sliding scale of disinterest down to absolute rudeness, their man is off
the scale. Sounds interesting though, the price is o.k., I'll have to jump out 
on the next calibra that comes by and ask to sit in it!.

Thanks for the rapid response.

Jim Gay

    
    If you're in Newbury, you can sit in mine (but it's a 16 valve)
    sometime.
    
    Mark
    
    PS I know what you mean about N.I.M.

    Were you particularly after an estate? The new Granada is priced very
    competitively. I prefer the Audi 100 estate, but it's *very* pricey.
    
    Laurie.

Richard,
the 3.0i worries me (and my tax code).

I need not to break the current tax rules, I'm in rented accomodation and my tax
code is starting to look like a phone number!

Thanks though, the power of notes,
Jim Gay

    re:.211 and the shhhhhhh....TAXMAN
    
    Be aware, the cost of the car declared to the taxman should be the
    purchase price, NOT the list price. So, with PHH discounts, they could
    well be below the 19,250. I know this because an acquaintance (i.e.
    will remain nameless) has just purchased a 940 Turbo Estate. List was
    around 22K, discount took it to 19K. A separate invoice for the
    'extras' could fix any problem, not that he'd do this ;-)
    
    Mind you, looking at your prices, they already include discount. And
    PHH do not appear to be the best at bargaining !!
    
    Colin

    
    Quote:
    
    Honda Civic 1.5 LSi (4 door) .. standard (no options)
    
    138 pa , 36 months / 60,000 miles
    
    Valid until 21-June '92
    
    Eamon

Rover 220 GTI  	      - 36mths (bog Standard)   1019 pnds


Ford  XR3i 130 BHP    - 36mths  with ABS         766 pnds




Shaz

Rovers are generally overpriced, due to the market they are trying
to aim at.


	Ian

Is it possible to get Car Fleet to actually question the lease company as
to how they arrive at these figures? It seems that car fleet will just pass
on a price regardless of whether it seems high or not. Surely it should
be the job of car fleet to find the best price for the driver.

Ian

    Hertz and PHH have a contract to supply all Digital vehicles. All Fleet
    do is run the process of submitting to those two suppliers and then
    passing on to the driver either the lowest of two quotes, the one
    that's returned if either supplier declines to quote, no quote if
    neither will quote, or 1 or two rejections if either/both can't quote.
    
    They can't exactly be accused of negotiating the lowest price for the
    driver, can they?
    
    What it must be to have a captive audience/market! I'd like to know on
    what basis these two suppliers won the contract. I don't think that
    I've seen any kind of management from them in the last 13 yrs except an
    annual tax disc arriving in the post (and even then Fleet does the hard
    work of internal distribution).......

    MR 2 GT METALLIC PAINT Leather Steering Wheel (Fleet would not quote
    unless I had an extra that wasn't on the preferred list)
    
    #1589 
    
    It would have been over 1800 on the preferred list (no leather steering
    wheel!).
    
    jenni
    

    Quote recieved today,
    
    Escort RS2000, met paint.  60,000m / 2yrs
    
    #1637 yr
    
    Nick. 
    
    ps. to dear for me
    

     re. -1
    
    I wonder how much of the lease cost is insurance, and arent British 
    cars cheaper on running costs than Jap cars, seems a bit odd
    to me too, also well out of my price range, i'm going to quote for a
    Clio 16v and RS1800 fiesta next.
    
    Nick.

I have just had my order accepted on a 1-aug Clio 16v (black) no extra's.

Drivers Price $98.

This compares to my previous quote for the Clio (red) at $216.

Funny Game Car Fleet innit......


Sean

    
    		Can someone tell me where, if possible, I can see a Nissan
    Sunny 2.0i GT ????? The local garage is one of the 'old' dealers and he
    won't say because the Sunny is sold by Nissan, not Nissan UK. (Is that
    right?  see I am confused already). I know there is no love lost
    between the two, but is a Sunny 2.0i GT the same as a 100 NX???
    
    Martin. (Who still wants something a bit different than a Vauxhall) 

    Dick,
    
    The "one extra seat"..... Is that in the back making it a 6-seater
    (e.g. half the 7-seat option)?
    
    JFK

    Re: .240
    
    The 100NX (SX?) is a totally different beast than the Sunny GTi.
    
    The Sunny has a 2.0 16v engine and the 100 has a 1600cc engine 
    (if I remember correctly).
    
    The 100 is a pretentious modern looking car (ugly IMO) the Sunny GTi
    is a beefed version of the base Sunny model.
    
    Sorry, don't now of any dealers that have this in stock.
    
    Why not check out one of the many local "motor shows". A Nissan dealer
    is bound to be there.
    
    Roy

    
    
    Re: .240
    
    Davenport Vernon in Reading have the new Sunny GTi and the GTi-R in
    stock, or they did have last week.
    
    Phil
    
    

    
    	Thanks for the difference on the Sunny and 100NX (yes it is weird
    isn't it?). I believe that someone has been quoted about 800 squid for
    a Sunny. Also believe it is a 'white knuckle ride' also did you know
    that the price of a Nissan 200SX exec i.e air con, stacking CD, and
    alloys has been reduced by #3000 as part of the Nissan v Nissan UK
    squabble. The price is now 16,783 which is cheaper than Rover 420GSi
    Sport !!!!
    
    	Martin (Who cannot fault his Cavalier CD but still wants something
    Different but not Mega Expensive)
    

    Re .241 ...
    
    John, The tax-breaker 5-door will not allow **ANY** factory fit
    options, so I opted for dealer fit of a single additional seat out of
    the accessories price list. You don't have to buy them in pairs as you
    do with the factory fit 7 seater option......

    Astra GSi
    options. metallic paint, tow bar.
    
    #1533 yr.
    
    Nick.

    Chris,
    
    If you are paying for the alarm that would bump it up, as extra's
    always seem to be expensive.
    
    ..or maybe there has been a price increase due to the new shape due
    out?
    
    Greg

    re .247
    
    Thinking about it this is very expensive, in  .229 there is a quote
    with leather seats and black paint for 937, and the 14,000 pounds
    Nissan GTI has come in at around 880 for the lease.
    
    Ring up fleet and find out why!
    
    Greg

    
    
    Having read through this and other notes relating to quotes under the
    new scheme, it seems the done thing these days when considering
    leasing a car that appears on the preferred list, is to pop in a quote
    request asking for (usually) trivial options with the common outcome
    that the returned quote is less than the preferred list price.
    
    Doesn't this undermine the whole validity of the preferred list ?  The
    workload on Fleet is not going to be reduced much if scores of people
    are putting in quotes for 1.6 GL's with the optional parcel shelf
    nodding dog :-) in order to shave (often) hundreds off the list price.
    
    My thinking is that the preferred list entry for a car, whose price is
    significantly higher than a recent quote for a higher specification
    model, should be reassessed as soon as possible and the date of
    reassessment published.
    
    Then we could all have a little more faith in the list
    
     
    Graham Warnes
    
    

As has been said here before, the fixed price list is fixed for 12 months.
Usually, this would mean that a car at the end of the year would be
cheaper on the list than by submitting a separate quote. Because of
this years halving of company car tax and the recession forcing manufacturers
to reduce prices, the opposite has happened.


Ian

    
    
    ...re -1
    
     in VTX (fllet news letter) it does state that the 'prefered' list will
    be updated/evaluted on a regular basis......
    
    I'm occasionally a fair man (sorry person) but Mazda has had an
    electric sunroof and windows for the 323f, for atleast 6 months.....
    ..does the prefered list reflect this ?? or the fact that black paint
    for the same car is a NO cost option....nah....
    
      the cynic...
    

I was thinking of putting a quote in for one of those !!

According to the brochure the 19 16v has an alarm as standard.


ABS would be nice, but I guess that would push it over the 1000 pound mark !!


Shaz

    re .253
    
    Shaz, up until now it didn't have an alarm as standard. It had the RAPS
    engine cut off as standard.
    
    Unless they've now included an alarm with the new 19?
    
    Greg=

re-1 

Yup it looks as if includes an "Anti theft alarm system" as standard now 
according to the brochure.


Nice car shame about the 50-70 mph accel about 15+ seconds according to the 
What Car mag. 


It looks as if it may be either an SRI Cavalier or the 16V saloon R19 !!! 


Shaz

     
    
    just got a quote for a Honda CRX V-tec, no quoted options .
     I think this is for the new model. I'm going to clarify this with car
    fleet.
    
    
    ...............1183.00.....36 months/60,000 miles.

The new model isn't available till 26th June so I wouldn't be too sure.


	Ian

    
    
    I phoned car fleet and was told that they didn't know for sure but
    suspected that it was for the old (current)model.I then spoke to phh
    fleet services and they confirmed that it was for the old model.
    but this is a better looking car than the new (soon to be released)
    model.
    
    keith
    

>    but this is a better looking car than the new (soon to be released)

Not in my opinion.



	Ian

    I have been speaking to a Honda dealer in the past week and he has
    informed me that by the end of the year the new CRX will be available,
    in a model with a full electric convertible roof. The roof will fold
    into the boot automatically and clip into place, so you can have a
    convertible at the touch of a button. Sounds like some machine, he
    believes it will retail at approx. #17,500. 
    
    He told me the new CRX also has an extra 10BHP. (all it needs is a set
    of wings, then it'd be up-up-and-away).
    
    	Gary.

  
      	 Can anyone let me know of a recent quote for a BMW 318i they might 
         have had recently? Standard equipment or extras, it doesn't matter. 
         I want to see how much BELOW the standard price it comes in at!
  
  
      	 Thanks,
      
      	 Terrell

    Terrell,
    
    Take a look at .156/7/8/9.
    
    Re: 318i BMW pricing.
    
    Not much difference though.!!
    
    Andy

    
    	NISSAN 200 SX EXEC with sunroof instead of air conditioning on 24
    month lease or 60,000 miles		1755 pounds
    
    	ALFA ROMEO 75 T.SPARK LIMITED EDITION loaded with extras 1700 pound
    
    	Why does the nissan which costs 3,000 pounds more to buy only cost
    55 quid a year more on the lease (both group 8 cars)
    
    	Martin.

    RE .267
    
    IF YOU HAVE A VALID QUOTE NUMBER FOR THIS CAR COULD YOU MAIL ME WITH IT
    AND ALSO THE COLOUR OPTIN...SOLID OR METALLIC.AS I HAVE SPOKEN TO
    CARFLEET WHO TOLD ME I COULD ORDER FROM THIS QUOTE NUMBER!..(A CHANGE
    OF POLICY TO CUT DOWN THE WORK LOAD?...WHO KNOWS)
    ANYWAY SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME....
    THANKS 
     
    
                KEITH.

Chris, 


I suggest you read A&M's road test of the Carina e from a coupla weeks
back before placing an order!!

I've got a copy at home I think if you're interested.


Ian

Hi

Quotation dated 29 Jun 1992.

Saab 9000 CSXS Hatchback, #2827

Retail price is 18995

No extras. (The XS is the 2.0 16 valve with some pre-loaded goodies:

	CD Autochanger
	Electric sunroof OR Air conditioning
	Metallic paint

The only factory fitted option is automatic gearbox. Several dealer options.

Saab Reading have been VERY VERY helpful to me. Hope they get the business!

DAVE J

    
    
    
    
     Hi just recieved a quote for a Honda VTi 4 door civic.
      
       options:-     Rear spoiler.
                     Metallic paint.
        
        For any one who is looking for a high(ish) performance saloon at 
    a resonable cost, I suggest you give this a try....1.6 ltr 16v engine
    producing 160bhp. This is quicker than my GSi2000 cavalier!
       It comes as standard with electric windows/sunroof, and abs and a 
    good size boot.
      Will I be ordering one ? ........NO.. Why dont the Japs make cars that
    anyone who is above average height can drive, without having to either 
    have expensive mods to the drivers seat position, or drive hunched up
    over the steering wheel...(by the way I'm 6'4" tall).
    
      Other than that a great car and all for 1306.00
       
    t

 Re: -1 

 The clio is coming back was a variation of quotes.. I had  $216 for no extras
 and $98 for black....It just like rolling dice.

    
    Nissan Sunny Gti
    Black paint
    
    #890
    
    Renault 19 16V saloon (old model)
    met paint 
    ABS
    rear wiper
    
    #1042  (how did they get that figure ?)
    
    Nick.

    
    
    HONDA PRELUDE 2.0i optons include..Metallic paint, and 2.3i alloys.
    1608.00 for 60k miles or three years..
    
    keith.

    
    
    Ford Orion 1.8i ghia 16v
    no extras
    non metalic
    
    # 434
    
    
    I took delivery last Thursday and can honestly say I don't miss
    my Golf gti (which I didn't want to give back) one little bit. 
    I'm well pleased. BTW can anybody recommend a good Ford garage
    for servicing etc around the Bracknell area ? 
    
    
    	Chris

    Has anybody been adventurous to put a quote in for a 
    
    Calibra 16V Turbo yet ?
    
    Just being morbid .
    
                       KR

    Re : .287
    
    
    but, GOWRINGS of Wokingham are excellent, used them for last 7 years on
    my leasemobiles (except 18 months of GTT) and have been VERY impressed
    with their service & attitude.
    
    
    Nev.

    methinks .288 is misplaced??
    
    Author, where should it go?.
    
    Richard

    I applies to .286, I think.
    
    Mark

    
    
    Re .288  
    
    I think so too.   Thanks Nev
    
    
    Chris  
    
    

    Looking at the new car list on VTX I'm disappointed as there seem to be
    no Matchbox models available. For further details see VTX.
    
    Andy

Yeh, I just had a look. Have car fleet really got that much time on their
hands to waste it putting alleged jokes on VTX?


Ian

re.293:

Yes, that must have taken a long time to do!

/Dave.

    I think the person who put that on VTX should be fired immediately!!!!
    
    After all, Digital doesn't want people with a sense of humour, does it?
    
    Mark

    
    
    
    
    Mazda 323 GLXi SR H/B (solid paint)
    
    60,000 miles, 2 years
    #260.00
    
    I've just received one in black, which is a no cost option.
    
    Mark.                      

>>      <<< Note 1538.292 by CURRNT::PAYNE_A "Discount Pants'n'Haircuts" >>>
>>                           -< Strange goings on.... >-

>>    Looking at the new car list on VTX I'm disappointed as there seem to be
>>    no Matchbox models available. For further details see VTX.
    
    
    Must have been short lived, there's no strange looking entries now...
    Richard

Oh sorry, it was a joke...


	Ian

    The new car list appears to be on VTX.
    
    At first glance the prices look quite reasonable. 
    I'm not sure that I like the format as its not very easy to compare
    all cars in a certain price bracket like previously.
    
    Roy

    RE. -1.
    
    At first glance the prices appear to be lower than last years list.
    
    e.g. I'm currently paying 2264 p.a. for a 16v Calibra, one of the
    standard cars both this year and last. ON the new list the price
    appears to be 1847 p.a - about a 15% drop ??
    
    Rich
    

    
    One p*ss*d off employee...
    
    I ordered a Nissan about March this year 1.6 LSX Primera 272 quid only
    to be told 3 weeks that it was due they had rejected the order (which
    was on the pref car list) because Nissan had changed the lettering to
    a SLX. I then quoted for a 1.6 SLX price 340 quid (this was after the
    budget reduction) no extras.
    
    Now I see the Nissan Primera "2.0" SLX is on the preferred car list for
    only 279 quid..   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!
    
    Gary..
    
    PS. Its a good buy for somebody...

Yeh, I thought this was one of the best deals on the new list.


	Ian

    The BX 1.9 TGD looks rather expensive at around 200 quid on the new
    list. This used to come in at no extra cost, mind you the ZX 1.9D is
    cheap enogh to have metalic paint and it still   not cost you anything.
    
    looks like the ZX  then

    The Renault 19 16valve is looking good. Quotes came in around 800
    pounds, the fixed price is 619.
    
    My order is on its way!
    
    Greg

    
    	Something is not quite right here......
    
    If the base car is a Cavalier 1.6L (i.e free, nothing, zilch) Why does
    a Cavalier 1.8L cost ten pounds less (i.e -10).
    
    ??????? Martin

    RE: .306
    
    
    My quote for the Renault 19 16V 814
    
    Quote on the preferred List 619
    
    WHAT !!!!!
    
    They have also given a provisional delivery date of 1-AUG
    so I have virtually no time in which to cancel my existing order
    and order the cheaper one.
    
    I was onto car fleet like a shot, they were typically non comital
    about the situation, and said they would investigate the diffrence
    in the 2 prices, I told them that no way was I going to pay 814.
    
    
    		Chris

Had some mail pointing out that I'd been stupid.

This is not unusual, but this time I can do something about it. This is unusual.

.280 refers to an "L" model.

That's better !!!!

Nigel

    Chris,
    
    Keep at them. 200 pounds more is ridiculuos!
    
    The Renaul t19 is very interesting. Last year on the preferred list it
    was approx 800 pounds when the list price was 13,224. Now it's approx
    600 pounds with a list price of 13175.
    
    This is in a time when insurance costs have gone up! Either someone
    screwed up badly last year or DIGITAL got a great deal this year! (or
    it's a typo and the Renault 19 is more expensive :^(
    
    Greg

Subject         : Your Quotation :- VW CORRADO 16V HATCHBACK
Driver Price    : #1847
Lease term      : 36  months / 60,000  miles
Quote number    : 012261 Date requested : 15 JUL 92 Quote expires on 22 AUG 92
Extras          : As requested (leather stearing wheel)

Subject         : Your Quotation :- VW CORRADO G60 COUPE
Driver Price    : #2165
Lease term      : 36  months / 60,000  miles
Quote number    : 012262 Date requested : 15 JUL 92 Quote expires on 22 AUG 92
Extras          : As requested.

    

    Two more quotes;

    
    Mazda 323F 1.8 GTi Hatchback  #1318

    Nissan Primera 2.0 SGX  #1023

    Both at 36 month/60K.


    	The Nissan is considerably more expensive than the SLX already on
    the preferred list, and as far as I can see the main difference is ABS,
    alloys and a slightly (?) better interior.  Doesn't seem worth the
    extra lease cost.
    
    	Looks like a choice between the Primera SLX or the Renault 19 16V.
    If only everyone else didn't have the Renault.....    :-)
    
    
    	Richard.
    
    

Can you get ABS as an option on the SLX Primera? The SGX also includes
electric sunroof and body coloured mirrors!! 


Ian

    ref .320. The quote number for the Nissan Primera 2.0eGT is 012087,
    24months/60,000 miles, expires 5 August 1992.

    Has anyone had a quote for a Fiesta RS 1800 ?
    
    Roy

    Has anyone dared put in a quote for a Corrado VR6 yet?   Sounds quite a
    machine!
    
    Nig.

    If anyone has had a quote for a Honda Civic LSi recently could you give
    me an idea of the cost.
    
    
    
    Ta
    
    
    Xtine

    
    Has anybody had a quote for a Toyota Celica lately? If so, would you be
    kind enough to give me an indication of the lease price.
    
    Thanks
    Mark
    

    
    Re .324
    
    Mail a colleauge of mine, Eamon MacDermott, on VOGON::MACDERMOTT.
    
    Eamon takes delivery of one of these things today.
    
    Rich
    

    Hi,
    
    	Has anyone got a recent quote for an RS2000 Escort and/or a SWB
    Vauxhall Frontera.
    
    		Thanks in Advance
    
    			Dave.

    
    Has anyone got a recent quote for a Mazda MX-5; preferably with
    no options?
    
    William.

    re.327 
    RS2000 quote.
    I recieved one approx 4-5 weeks ago...
    
    the price was #1450.
    
    I didnt bother, to dear for me.
    
    
    Nick

    
    Re .328
    
    My quotes in for an MX5 with only option being a clock (!)
    
    I'll post it here, shouldn't be too long now.
    
    
    Graham

    For any interested parties.....
    
    Fleet informed me of a quote for a BMW 318is with NO extras of #2026.
    
    Anybody interested can then use the basket prices for 3 series extras.
    
    Paul

You don't want to know what a clock costs for a MB 190 SL (mid 50's - early 60's)
costs then, do you?

Dave
























okay, I'll tell - about $1000 to $1500 here in the US, even more in Germany.

 Has anybody had a quote for a Renault 19 16V Convertible ?


	Barrie.

Update on Renault Clio - see 277.

I ordered the standard one with no extras and was given expected dely. of 9/8/92. 
Have chased today and the garage asked if I knew that the spec had been changed.

The good news is the spec on mine will now include tilt & slide electric sunroof
(previously it was only a manual tilt).  Also electric front window with one 
action button.  Also they are changing the trim but I'm not sure whether that's 
the interior or exterior.

The bad news is it'll be manufactured in France in September - but then I'd 
rather have the extras.

I wonder whether the Clio price will be increasing again in the near future?

(:-) 

Has anybody put in a quote for a reasonable sized car with an engine
under the 1.4 litre tax limit?

E.g.

Escort 1.4 L
Astra 1.4i Merit
ZX 1.4 Reflex
etc.

I'm looking for a seriously cheap car on the lease scheme, if such a
thing exists...

Jon

    I've got an Escort 1.4LX as a hire car - Bagoshite, don't touch it.
    
    I.M.H.O., of course.
    
    Andy

 I second -1.

	Barrie

    
    Hhhmmmmmm Interesting.
    
    That sounds rather cheap for a 2.0i Frontera.
    
    JN.

    Total LEASE cost, ie you pay 3995+845 every year for three years, then
    you give it back.
    
    
    
    Greg

    
    Ummm. Sounds like a waste of money...
    
    Mark

    In terms of off-road ability, the Brands Hatch 4-wheel drive training 
    centre rate the Frontera very poorly... "got stuck crossing a flat
    field" was a quote from one instructor. (Incidentally the centre use
    Suzuki Samurai's for their courses... I was amazed where these vehicles
    could go... even with the likes of me driving! It would appear the
    Suzuki's get slagged off 'cos they can't go round roundabouts over
    50mph, but put them in the environment they were originally designed
    for and they're 'kin brilliant!)
    
    Regards,
    
    Stephen
                                               

    
    Thanx Mark.
    
    I like the look of the Frontera and does it not have Cavalier
    mechanicals ? Reliable in that case. I have read somewhere about
    its lack of off road capability.
    
    Has anyone got one ?? How about a report on what you think of it.
    
    JN.

    
    JR.
    
    Doubtful that an Alfa 75 would be available on the lease unless
    the dealers still have them in stock as new cars. They have all 
    been making room for the 155. A 75 is the one I want so a private
    purchase may be the answer.
    
    I'm not all that keen on the 155 as yet. Given time and I will
    start to like it I suppose. I just don't like FIATS involvement
    with ALFA thats all. Given their freedom ALFA are extremely
    creative, SZ and the Proteo are examples. FIAT canned the Proteo
    despute the fact that it was a more viable production car then
    the SZ.!
    
    I am thinking a few months ahead at the moment anyway but I do
    like the Frontera 3 door model.
    
    Anyone wanna buy a Guilietta ??
    
    JN.

    Im new to this notes topic.
    
    As this looks like a live topic, and the past few notes seem to be
    alluding to the question I would like to ask.  is there a topic, or has
    it been answered somewhere before, to this question ? :-
    
    has anyone worked out how much you get from DEC, and how much TAX
    rebate you recieve by opting out of the DEC car lease scheme ??
    
    Is it worth starting a new topic for this query ?
    
    thanks in advance,
    Paul

    
    You'd be forgiven for missing this in the 1.4 deisel topic...
    
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	Okay, 
	less than 2,500 miles on basic rate tax(25%) for zero car

  	taxable hit is 2750x1.5    =   4125   at 25%  is   1031.25 	
  
	you now take the cash

	3000 less 25%       =  2250  extra in pay packet
	tax code is adjusted back so you no longer pay 1031.25   

	Bottom line
	you used to pay   1031.25,   
	you now get       2250.00 

	          you are 3281.25 better off = 273.43 a month


	Heather - who takes the money
	   

    Re: ZX turbo diesel.
    
    Steve, I've been thinking about this. It might worth putting a quote in
    for the ADVANTAGE TD rather than the AURA. Its several hundred pounds
    cheaper (It lacks the better seat material and alloys, but still has
    all the electric goodies). You might even get an alarm and met paint
    zero cost.
    
    Roy

    Anyone know what prices cars at end of lease are being offered to their
    drivers for?  Are they going for auction prices or top dealer prices?

Re: .369

*IF* you can find out which auction your car is going to, you will mostly get
it at a considerably cheaper price than the prices offered by PHH/HERTZ 

Re: .366

It is what I was told by fleet.  Take it up with them, I'm not interested.

    re.369
    
    I was given a price on my car last week..
    Escort RS Turbo
    84000 miles
    reg April '90
    
    price  #4250.
    
    I asked a freind of mine who's in the buissness if he wanted it or thought
    it was a good buy, he said no trader would pay more than #3800 for it,
    they would expect to pay about #3500, and would put it up for around
    the #5995 mark. So all in all not a good buy.

    Old quotes for new BMW Coupes
    
    Car fleet gave me these fig's which have now mostly expired but may be
    of interest to a few of you if you're thinking about going for a
    quality machine:-
    
    All Coupe-
    
    318iS	Ai/c, Fogs		2,373.00
    318iS	Basic, fogs, 		1,991.00
    318iS	Elec Sun, fogs		2,168.00
    318iS	Leather, Elec SR, Fogs	2,480.00
    320i	No extras		2,672.00
    
    Basic price can be used and then usual BMW extras attached (see VTX
    list).
    
    Regards
    
    Nigel  

    has anyone had a recent quote for a Golf VR6?
    
    .... a guy can dream cant he?
    
    
    Graham.

Has anyone else noticed the Nissan 2.0 SLX quote on VTX has been 
downgraded to a 1.6 with the same lease cost?

	Ian

Having just read a report on a Ford Escort Cosworth in a car rag. , just
being morbid and wondering what the lease cost of such a street racing
machine would be .....insurance and all that ...


                         KR

    The pic on the cover of CAR magazine is super.  Pity about the
    "headline" splashed over the cover: "SHOCK NEWS - Ford make good fast
    cars at last" (or very similar) :-)
    
    Gary.

    
    re .378
    
    I noticed that.. It made me feel a bit better after I got my 1.6
    Primera for 340. Its still a bargain and I wonder how many people
    managed to get their orders in for this and if they will be honoured.
    
    Again this is an example of Fleet breaking their own guidelines of once
    a quote appears on the preferred list it stays there for a year..
    
    Gary..

    
        I just recieved these quotes if anyone is interested:-
    
            Mitsubishi Galant 1800 GLS with diamond option pack and
                    metallic paint  728 pounds (quote no. 12461)
    
            BMW 316i Touring with front fogs and manual sunroof
                                   1285 pounds (quote no. 12463)
    
            BMW 316i Touring with front fogs
                                   1128 pounds (quote no. 12462)
    
    
               Alan S.
    
    
                         

    Thanks for the info.
    
    How come you managed to submit three quotes? Have they relaxed the
    rules now, or can you submit three by special request?
    
    
    Stephen

    vtx states you can have 2 quotes.
    
    I understand that you allowed only 2 quotes being processed at the same
    time.
    
    There is nothing to stop you submitting further quotes if you don't
    like the first two you've sent in.
    
    That is how I've always understood the process through comments in this
    conference.
    
    
    Roy

    Has anybody, does anybody know of recent quotes for a Sierra Cosworth
    (with/without leather interior).
    
    Just wondering whether the price has come down since Ford cut their
    prices by 6-7K on this car. 
    
    Also, talk of another 10% price cut to shift the last few remaining 500
    Cosworths.!!!!
    
    So, I await the bargain quote info.....!!!
    
    Andy

    
    	Recent Quote.....
    
    	Honda Civic Vti ........1192 pounds
    
    	Appears a bit expensive but after a test drive seemed bargain of the
    year.
    
    	Martin
    

 Re -1

  Yes if I can get hold of one that has the manual sunroof.

	Barrie.

re .390

What about the normal R19 cabrio (8 valve). Did anyone get a quote on 
one of those?


Ian

    For curiosity and with a vague hankering if the price was "reasonable" I
    asked for a quote on a TVR Griffiths 4.0, and the answer is.......
    
    
    
    
    Driver Price	#6961 (only extra is an alarm)
    
    After my allowance, after deducting tax and after adding the extra
    taxable benefit, that comes out at around #338/month out of my pocket,
    think I'll stick to the 318is!
    
    Paul
    

    
    I called fleet last week about the primera quote and was told that
    there had been a mistake and the price should always have read for a
    1.6 and not a 2.0!
    
    I guess I was to slow in getting my order in, has anyone got a quote
    for a 2.0 slx with or without any extra's?
    
    
    	Adrian

    
    Has anybody had a recent quote for a Clio 16v, RS1800 or Sunny GTi ?
    
    Nick.
    
    
    

    clio quote in 1538.315, couple of months old

 Nick,

 I'm expecting a quote for the Clio 16V any day now. Ill post it as soon as it
arrives.

	Barrie.

I thought that too. Fleet are currently talking to the leasing companies to
find out why.

	Barrie.

My Clio quote was $98 for black (which seems to be metallic charcoal grey)
Don't you just love the consistancy of fleet....

Sean

    re:-1
    
    But they let PHH and Hertz vary upto #600 over the lifetime of the
    lease. WHY ? 
    
    What would happen if we tried that with our customers....They go
    somewhere else. Fleet are paid to get the best deal for us.
    
    SEan

    Quote for BMW 318is
    
    Options	Metallic, Elec Sun Roof, F Fog, Htd Mirrors/locks
    		BMW alarm, Sony RDS Radio
    
    Driver Price	#2619
    
    My order is in!
    
    Paul

    re: .405
    
    The way I see it is that Fleet simply send us the best of the two
    quotes with the attitude of take it or leave it. Digital offer us a
    reasonable car as standard (Cav 1.6L) but we can choose any car we like
    if we want to pay the extra.
    
    The secret is to recognise a good quote when you see it and go for it.
    Timing is important as well (or it used to be) as the allowance
    increases from time to time making the quotes lower for a period.
    
    It could be that Barrie is unfortunate and that the lease cost for the
    Clio has gone up slightly since the last quote for this model was
    submitted. Its definately worth following up though.
    
    Roy

    re. -1
    
    Maybe it is the best of the 2 quotes but why do they differ so much,
    surely Hertz and P.H.H. dont change the leases costs of their cars
    every week, take for instance the trouble i've had with carfleet trying
    to quote/order a new car.
    
    I ordered the 19 16V from the preffered list, with options #915.
    Then i recieved the standard mail telling me the quoted price was #857,
    so i phoned carfleet and asked is the car being ordered or do i have to
    submit an order form, after all it was an order i put and not a
    quotation, they said the car has been ordered and i will be paying #857.
    Then they realised that the price for metallic paint had been left
    off, so they were going to cancel my order, requote for the car, and
    this time add the cost of metallic paint. My question was why couldn't
    they just add the price of metallic paint to the price and leave the
    order in, but they couldn't do that , they had to requote, wasting
    time, effort, and money, as my cars mileage is still climbing over the
    60,000 mark.
    The idea of fleet quoting every time an order is placed is to get fleet
    the best price, but what about us ?, why have the preffered list if
    they are going to requote for every order ?,and if they get a good deal
    is that price passed on to us, i bet it would be if the price went up
    above that on the prefered list. So where do these numbers come from,
    are fleet making money out of us, i bet the price we are given is not
    the Hertz/P.H.H. price plus the insurance element, i expect there is a
    little bit of pocket money for carfleet there somewhere.
    Anyway my quote has come back again, and this time it has the added price
    of metallic paint, back up to #915 again, it was ordered on Monday so
    now i'll have to wait for an e.t.a. again.
    
    After all that if its true about fleet paying 20p per mile over 60,000
    why the hell are they quibbling over 50 quid for metallic paint when my
    car has done 86,000 miles at the moment and its still going up, it will
    cost them a fortune, i would have thought that they would be pleased to
    see the back of it and save themselves some money.
    
          Nick.

    Possible scenario:
    
    Quote 1:
    
    	PHH say X pounds
    
    	Hertz say X+500 pounds
    
    	PHH Quote is posted here.
    
    Quote 2:
    
    	PHH say "We don't want to Quote"
    
    	Hertz say X+500ish pounds
    
    	Hertz Quote is posted here
    
    Result:
    
    	500+ Pounds quote disparity.
    
    
    (N.B. Hertz refused to quote for my Rover variant).
    
    JK

    What I still don't under stand is why....
    
    	when I place an order for and Audi 80 no extras... form the
    preferred car list, they tell me 4 weeks later that the oreder has now
    been placed, but they cannot tell me a delivery time within 2 weeks of
    the order being placed!
    
    The whole point in my order being placed in AUG for NOV 3 delivery was
    to get the car before XMAS....  after speaking to Audi, who say to
    guarentee delivery at the requested date, the order should be placed
    before 3rd week of AUG!... I could have waited until sep to order, and
    would probably got a free sunroof thrown in for good measure, but
    rather than wait, I placed the order 1st week in AUG.
    
    I have said it before, and I shall say it again.... it's time to
    vendorise CAR FLEET!
    
    Bob

    Nice one Graham !
    
    Roy

    Oh my, the fleet gamble starts again, even after the new 'revised'
    list!
    
    So much know depends on when you change, if your wise to get a quote
    yourself, and if your luckyy.
    
    Greg

    There is little point in moaning about it in here. These are all valid
    points, but you (all) are preaching ot the converted in here. Escalate
    it through the management chain, right up to the BoM member responsible
    for "Fleet'. Cost cutting is a serious business these days. How many
    jobs has inertia cost so far?
    
    Laurie.

>    i think the cost is 17p per mile over the 60,000 mile limit..PHH
>   enforce this, Hertz are a bit mor easy going.  Any additional charges
>   re excess mileage will come out your cost centre..so any p*****ng about

What's the source of this information ?
Fleet told us that the excess mileage charge does not come out of your
cost centre.

tp

Who cares where it comes from!

It comes from Digital, which means your and my pay rise (or even job!)

Please can those, directly involved, escalate this as far as possible (even
to the world-wide SUGGESTION BOX).

This wastage impacts us all.

mb

    
    
    
    BMW 318iS Coupe
    60,000 miles
    
    Metalic Paint, Elec S/Roof, 225 Alloys, Clock & Temp display, Halogen
    f/fogs, Interior Light Package, Steering Col Adjust, Air Microfilter.
    (No Radio)
    
    Driver Costs - 2,496.00
    
    
    Regards
    
    Nigel
    

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    Has anyone quoted for an ASTRA GSI 1.4ls recently? I would appreciate it
        if you could let me know when you quote was placed and the cost 
    
    Thanks
    
    Matthew                            
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    Whoops Make that an ASTRA 1.4LS
    
    Sorry!

    Has anybody got a recent quote for a vauxhall Fronterra Sport with no
    options. I've been told they're about #600 but I've not seen one in
    here.
    thanks
    
    Richard

    
    Does anyone have a quote or an estimate of the driver price for a
    Toyota Celica?.
    
    thanks
    Dave
    

    This note seems to have died...
    
    Has anybody been receiving quotes in the last few weeks, or is
    everybody ordering directly from the PCL.
    
    Andy 

    Any recent quotes for the following:
    
    1.8/2.0 Cavalier LS
    Mitsubishi Colt (GTI?)
    ZX 2.0 Volcane
    Astra 1.6GLSi
    
    
    
    Xtine

    You won't get a quote for the ZX Volcane as it's on VTX

re .428;

The ZX Volcane on the standard list is the obsolete 1.9 model; it was replaced
in the summer with the 2.0i engine, with a cat as standard.

Fleet know this, as a colleague of mine tried to order a Volcane about three
months ago, and was told to submit a quote, as the 1.9 was no longer available.
He didn't care whether it was a 1.9 or a 2.0.

Interestingly enough, the 2.0 with a cat is cheaper than  the 1.9 with the
optional cat.... I wonder what price it will eventually come in at?

Peter.

    
    ZX Volcane will appear also with 16v 2.0 machine (150 hp)
    
    
    Hannu

But will it be available in 5 door?

    Taken from the Auto express price list:
    
    ZX 2.0 Volcane 3 dr  12,795
    ZX 2.0 Volcane 5 dr  13,175
    ZX 2.0 16V 3 dr      14,500
    
    Regards Martin

Maybe VW has had to increase prices since the pound's collapse
I know Merc and BMW were thinking about it.

Ian

    I sent an order form for a Golf GTI with mettalic paint as the only
    extra. All of which is on VTX and worked out that i would get the car
    for 764 pounds. Of course Car Fleet had other ideas and sent off for a
    quote to the leasing companies and i got a quote for 878 pounds. Of
    course i complained bitterly that i was only going to pay the figure
    that i see on VTX and no more (less i wouldn't mind!!). It took 2
    months of phone calls and finally intervention from my manager to convince Car
    Fleet that i must get the car for the price displayed on VTX. Of
    course, in the meantime my current car has gone over the 3 year/60,000
    mile lease and DEC(?) are probably paying Hertz extra Wonga for the
    priviledge......AND i still haven't got a delivery date yet!!!!
    Is it me, or do others have these sort of (minor) problems with Car
    Fleet? 
    
    Sheleen.  

    Eeek.  I've just submitted an identical order to the one described in
    .436  ...
    

    RE:.436
    
    If your car is over its lease and it is obviously going to be some time
    before it is replaced, had you considered taking one of the cars on the
    takeover list for the time being, you save yourself and Digital money.
    
    Richard

    re: .437
    
    Make sure that you pay the amount quoted on vtx, and not one that the
    leasing companies come up with.
    
    re: .438
    
    How will your suggestion save me money? Also can you imagine the
    administrative nightmare that will take place if i follow your
    suggestion? After all Car Fleet cannot even get a quote correctly off
    their own list! What happens if i take over a car and then get a
    delivery date of a fortnight later? Do you understand what i'm trying
    to say? I don't mind doing what you said to save the company money but
    i don't see why i should endure so many hassles and headaches due to
    somebody elses mistakes or incompitence.

    
    RE: .439
    It could save you money because you could (subject to avail) find a
    similar car to what you want and get a discount on it. If you find a
    car you fancy that is a bargain you can take it for 3 months (or till
    end of lease if you really want) and delay delivery on your new one.
    
    RE: .440
    Point taken,.....nuff said,...you got me there, but the theory is good!
    I don't see why anyone should take a car they don't want, if you wanted
    a largish estate car presumably you have a reason ie.carrying large
    loads, and a rover 214 is impracticle. 
    
    The system is supposed to work if it doesn't work when you try to
    implement it KICK-SOME-ASS
    
    before anyone says it no I'm nnot from car fleet!
    
    Richard

    Re a few back.
    
    Of the 2 leasing companies we use, Hertz is the more lenient.  Im
    currently over the 60k miles on my present car, and was worried about
    the cost of being over the limit.  I was told that Hertz dont charge
    for this but PHH charge 17p per mile.  Also there is a 3 month 'window'
    with Hertz which allows Digital to return the car 3 months earlier than
    agreed, if the car is over the 60k mile limit...PHH do not have such a
    facility.
    
    recently I was refused details of a car on the take-over list, because
    someone is test driving it...SO WHAT ??.  Do I now have to wait a few
    days, request the info again, to find out about a car..just coz its
    being test driven, doesnt mean that its not available.. Also if 2
    people, or more, are interested in the same car it should go to the
    person who want to take the car for the long term, as the admin costs
    for changing cars must cost us something....so perhaps 1st come, 1st
    served isnt cost effective ??
    Paul

    re .443
    
    I was told that PHH do have the 3 month window, hence I started my
    order process earlier 'cos my PHH car was approaching it's 60,000
    deadline.
    
    Greg

    This is the first I've heard of a 3 month window.
    
    For the last 3 years I've always understood it was a 2 month
    window either side of the expiry date.
    
    This is for Hertz. I have no experience with PHH.
    
    Roy

According the person I spoke to at fleet, PHH has a 2 month window, Hertz
has a 3 month window.



	Ian

    Re .442 (frequency of staff changes)
    
    Come back Pam Dormer ..... we love you really!
    

    re .449
    
    JOHN, CHECK OUT VTX BEFORE YOU ORDER:
    
     094      CAVALIER 2.0 SRi 4/5 DR          1,035 
    
    Greg
    

    re: last
    
    .449 refers to the 16v model (didn't know there was such a beast).
    
    Roy

Only extra was metallic paint

In the new '92 price lists, the Cavalier GSi is no longer there; I guess the
16V SRi replaces it.  Oh, and this means all the Cavalier models on the
standard car list are no longer available, as L is now LS and GL is now
GLS and so on.

Peter.

    re. last few about Vauxhall Cavaliers
    
    Vauxhall have changed the Cavalier range for 1993, as pointed out in
    the last few replies (i.e. "L" variant is now "LS", "GL" now "GLS").
    
    The SRi was a 130hp car, but for '93 has the 115hp catalyzed (sp?)
    engine, same as a 2.0L (or LS now), GLS, CD, etc. The GSi has been replaced
    by the Cavalier Turbo; a 200hp turbo-charged, 6-speed machine.
    So I guess Vauxhall have put the GSi's 2.0 16-valve engine into the SRi
    to create an SRi 16V with 150hp, to "fill the gap" between models.
    
    Just to confuse things even more, there'll be a 6-cylinder Cavalier
    along soon...
    
    See note 1934 for more info about Cavailer changes, and impact on Preferred
    Car List.

    
    Took delivery of my Golf GTi this morning. It's a beauty!! Seems a lot
    better than my old one (which i have NO complaints about). The power
    steering is a great help.
    BTW, Car fleet got their act together in the end and i only paid the
    VTX price for the car (See earlier note on ****-up). I think it's worth
    every penny.                           
    
    sheleen.

    Quote today ( probably before reduction in Car Tax etc. ) for BMW 320i 
    Coupe with VERY few options ( armrest - no radio ) was 2703 over
    30months/60,000 miles ?????
    

    Has anyone had a quote on an Alfa 155 2.0 Twin Spark? (Or any other
    155)...
    
    I'm just interested in whether Alfas are a realistic proposition on the
    scheme, or whether their resale is so dire that they're out of
    consideration.
    
    
    Stephen

    
    QUOTE FOR CAVALIER SRI 16V
    PRICE $ 1359
    LEASE 24 Months /60000
    QUOTE 13480
    EXTRAS  Metalic paint    EXPIRES 12th dec 1992
    
    
    
    QUOTE FOR ROVER 220 COUPE
    
    PRICE #2765 !!!!!!
    LEASE 24 Months /60000
    QUOTE 13481
    EXTRAS none  EXPIRES 13 th dec 1992
    
    
    
    Looks as if it is the Cavalier for me
    
    Tim

If that was the non-turbo 220, the price is outrageous. It's only a 16k
car!!!

Ian

    RE .461
    The price was for a 220 turbo coupe I have been told the price is high
    because it is a group 20 insurance 
    never mind Dream on!!!
    
    Tim
    

Thank god for that!!! Maybe I can get my 216 after all.

Ian

    Actually, I thought 2700 was a pretty good price...
    
    Isn't that almost exactly the same as a BMW 320i coupe, with
    performance and handling to blow said car into the weeds (although I
    grant you the BMW has a bit more cred)?
    
    Has anyone had a quote for a Subaru Legacy quad-cam 2.0 turbo (either
    saloon or estate)? I've seen the odd one or two kicking around DEC
    office car parks, obviously as lease cars, and I just wondered what
    ballpark they're in.
    
    
    cheers,
    Stephen

It's possibly a fair price for the turbo, but the original quote didn't mention 
this. However, when you think the market price is the same as the MR2 T bar
(18k), then 2700 is a bit steep. I know of people who've picked up MR2s
for 1800.


	Ian

    Stephen,
    
    These Subaru Legacy turbo estates are quite wild machines - I was
    following one a couple of weeks back and had trouble keeping up with it
    in my R19 16V. If I ever have to go for an estate then this machine
    would come high up my list.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Tony.

re.467:

I would expect the handling to be vastly superior to the R19 but were you pushed
on acceleration as well?

Dave.

    
    According to specs Subaru Legacy Turbo is about 1,5 seconds faster
    from 0 to 60 than R19 16v.
    
    
    Hannu

    Having travelled in a R19 16V and the Subaru Legacy Turbo, I'd be
    surprised if the R19 had a chance (good as it is).  It's competing with
    4WD and 2 lires 16V and Turbo.  It's not as quick as a Cossie, but
    close enough for me.

    
    According to the Sabaru ad, the 0-60 is quoted at 6.2 and is quoted at
    around 197 BHP
    
    
    POL.

    
    It's more Astra GSi pace, with 0-60 & 30-70 in the very low sevens.
    
    However you'd probably have to thrash the Astra as the Sub' would have
    more in-gear grunt.
    
    Mike

    
    
    Can anyone use the quotes that are placed in here or do you actually
    have to get your own quotes to order from ?
    
    Pete

>    Can anyone use the quotes that are placed in here or do you actually
>    have to get your own quotes to order from ?
    
    I've  been  through  this  loop!!  The quote is valid for the person 
    requesting it for the length  of  time  on  the  quote  (4  weeks  I 
    believe).  Anyone  else  trying  to  use  that quote can only use it 
    within the first 3-5 days "in case the price of the car goes up"....

    ....make sense?? Yea, I thought so too!!

I'd forget the roof mounted aerial and go for the GTi on VTX with metallic paint
for under 800 quid.


	Ian

    Re: last
    
    I thought this was pretty obvious from .478's title !

Yeh - I tend not to read the title's that much!

    Re last few.
    
    Don't specify pearlescent paint on your order form otherwise it'll get
    rejected (even though it costs the same as Metallic Paint and is also
    referred to in the brochure as Metallic Paint).
    
    Car Fleet get the "Jobs Worth" award for nitpicking on that one!
    

    Vauxhall do Pearlescent and metallic!
    
    My problem is how can I get a quote for a car with no more extras?
    To expand:-
    Vauxhall cars seem to be cheaper now than the preferred list eg a 16v
    Calibra with Leather trim is 400 quid less than the preferred list.
    
    I would like a Carlton but all the extras are on the preferred list as
    options so whatever quote I put in will be met at the price on the
    list. In other words I can't get an up to date price - more or less.
    
    I asked whether they requote as an order is received and was told no -
    a standard car costs what it says regardless of what a "new" quote
    might be.
    
    Help
    
    Andrew

    A set of locking wheel nuts is a good cheap one, (or maybe just one
    locking wheel nut?).
    
    I. 
    

    Mudflaps?
    

The fresh air filter on Vauxhalls is a 15 pound option - on the Calibra
anyway!


	Ian

    Re.. a few back
    
    The price for a Vauxhall Cavalier 2.0i
    
    When you say "on a standard quote" what does that mean? Is there more
    than one type of quote - or is this now on the preferred list?
    
    
    Xtine

    Specifying a towbar - they are not on the list of optional extras.
    
    By the way.... aren't ALL cars cheaper now than the scheme?? With the
    5% Car Tax removed they should be.... until early next year when
    everyon seems to be putting their prices up to cover the pound
    fluctuations.
    
    If I forget to say I am buying a company car, the garages all tell me
    "Order before Christmas - and avoid the new year rises". If I say its a
    company car they all say "Thers is no expected changes between now and
    Easter"!!

Rover and Ford recently increased their prices, and some of the German 
manufacturers have done too. I don't know if it's as much as 5%, but
the difference when it comes to quotes will probably be negligible.


Ian

    
    All major manufacturers raised their prices at the end of November, 
    most of them swallowing up the 5% that the government had given back.
    Amusing really, the manufacturers lobby encouraging the government
    to take the tax off and then them grabbing it all back!
    
    Richard.

    ARG - AUSTIN ROVER GROUP
    
    Bob

Yeh, I know that, but the Austin name was dropped years ago, they then
became Rover Group and are now just Rover.

Ian

is my way of saying 36 months/60K miles.

I'm not sure of different length quotes (say 24months/60K miles) come out
different on this scheme - I know they used to be the same price, but who
can tell nowadays?

Peter.

I woul have thought the driver price would vary according to the anticipated 
mileage as a lower mileage car will have a far higher resale value for the
lease company.

Ian

    RE.498
    
    Ian,
    
    Somewhere in VTX it states that Digital will pick up the extra lease
    cost over and above 60,000/3 years.
    
    Andy

    Has anybody, or does anybody know of some recent quotes for the NEW
    Audi 80 Estate.
    
    Either 2.0E or 2.0 16V Models
    
    Cheers
    
    Andy

You've not got kids now as well have you Andy????

Si

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    Has anyone had a quote on any of the following Toyota's:
    
    Carina E 2.0i Executive  5 Door
    Carina E 2.0i GLi  5 door
    
    Also if anyone has real experience of Mpg (as opposed to the details in
    the brochure) I'd appreciate knowing.
    
    Thanks
    Paul

    Has anybody a recent quote for the 2.0 litre versions of the RT or RXE
    Espace? I would appreciate if they posted them.
    
    Thank you,
    Angus

    Thanks Ian.
    
    I have a feeling that the quote on the preferred price list is quite
    competitive, especially as Renault have just hiked their prices. Just
    for the hell of it I think I'll still submit a quote and see if it
    comes out less. Mud flaps the cheapest add on?
    
    Angus

Angus,
	I just realised that quote also included the comfort pack.

Ian

    Show note...
    
    	Conference: CARK_IK

    There seems to be a fair few quotes being entered within this note
    recently.
    
    Are fleet catching up with the backlog now ?
    
    What is the current lead time for a quote request, both chased and
    unchased ?
    
    I need to know as I am due to order soon.
    
    Cheers
    
    Andy
    

    RE -.1>    -< How long does a quote take >??? >-
    
    Take a look at the most recent replies in 1998.

    forgot to say the extras were ABS and metallic paint on both.

        
        Pardon what might be a stupid question, but why are some of the 
        quotes that are posted here for 24 months / 60,000 miles ?     
        ..... I thought they all had to be 36 months now.
        
        
        B o b  
        
        (who's new to this getting a new car business as he's always 
         had 'take-overs' before) 
        
        
        

If you're estimated mileage is more than 20,000 per year, then the lease
may be shortened so that the mileage on the car will not exceed 60,000


Ian

    TOYOTA Carina E , GTI 2.0 Hatchback
    
    36/60K m/s
    
    1418 pounds.
    
    Aleutian Blue Metallic 
    
    Delivery May.
              

    All Peugot 405's for this market are built in Ryton, UK. So you'll be
    supporting BRITISH workers if you got one (Fanfare of trumpets :-) )
    
    
    Richard

    Does anyone know of anyone with a recent VOLVO 850 quote?
    
    Car Fleet are messing me around and I cannot get a quote but have to 
    replace my car in 5 weeks!
    
    Best rgds
    Nigel

    
    	I submitted 2 quotes first week in december, was told they must
    have got lost, resubmitted them 2 weeks ago and have just received
    confirmation that fleet have entered them on the system to be sent to
    the leasing companies. Meanwhile my old car is already away and i am
    using a takeover car. What ever happened to 7-10 days?
    
    	Adrian

    Has anybody got any rescent quotes for a Frontera Sport.
    
    
    Regards Martin

    Thanks for the reply Roy, That seem alot of money for what it is the
    only other quote i've heard of was 922 with all the options except the
    wooden steering wheel and gear knobs, but this was about 10 months ago.
    
    
    Regards Martin

    Just read the note about the Frontera Sport quote, I took deliery of
    mine two weeks ago, after the first thousand miles no problems. The
    spec was for the electric pack, metallic paint, bull bar with driving
    lamps and fogs, the cost was #805. However, this order went in on
    July 4th 1992, and was delivered on 26th January 1993, so you can
    expect a long wait if you order one!
    
    		Regards
    			Alan
    

    
                        CITROEN ZX 2.0 16V HATCHBACK
                
    Driver Price     #895   
    Lease term       36  months / 60,000  miles
    
    
    Extras were just the standard front floor mats. I also opted for
    metallic paint.
    
    Dave.
    

    Anyone know of any Rover 220GTI quotes?  I'm trying work out whether to
    get a quote for one or order off the standard list.

    I put in two quotes at the beginning of SDec.
    
    I got the one for the Astra 1.6 GLSi (#0) on Monday,
    
    on Tuesday I got an aknowledgement for the second quote... hope it
    comes through before the first one expires...
    
    
    Xtine

    
    I have just had two Renault 19 16v quotes rejected, I added locking
    wheel nuts as the non-std option and was told if you want locking
    wheel-nuts get the car off the preferred list and buy your own nuts!!!
    So my order's gone in off the list
    
    Richard (young)
    

So whose liable if the wheels get stolen? Digital I would assume. If the company
supplies you with a car, then they shouldn't expect you to have to pay ANYTHING
towards extras outside of the lease cost.


	Ian

    re .559
    
    I have just had my Carlton quotes rejected because mudflaps do not
    qualify for a quote. I am sure this is part of the backlog reduction
    excercise.
    
    I sent them in on 14/12/92 and got them back on 16/2/93. Not bad to say
    no!? I shall be taking this up with whoever.
    
    Andrew

    Re. .559 & .564
    
    If according to the Fleet guidelines on VTX we're not allowed to add
    optional extra's apart from towbars & alarms.  What are we supposed
    to do about things like mudflaps, locking wheel nuts & bootliners.
    These items are available to 'protect the vehicle', so surely it is to
    everyones benefit to recognise they exist by either accepting quotes
    with them on, or adding them to the 'optional extras on the preferred
    list'.
    
    Judy
    
    (Before you ask, yes I've had a quote rejected)
    

   From VTX FLEET, Option 1 "Preferred Car List Guidelines", sub-option 2
   "options":
    
A range of factory fitted options are also offered at fixed annual prices
which can be added to the basic lease cost. Where a radio/cassette recorder is
not provided as standard option please refer to the guidelines for
"Non-standard" radio equipment.

Quotes will not be submitted for cars from the Preferred Car List with minor
dealer fitted extras, i.e., mud flaps, locking wheel nuts.  If these are
required they may be fitted after delivery at the employees expense.

   Note that the page was updated today (19-Feb)

   D.

My Calibra quote went through with a dealer fitted fresh air filter added - I
wonder if I'll get an airbag...


	Ian

    
    	Re. 572.
    
    	Is an air-bag going to be standard on Calibras from now on then ?
    
    	Graham.

What do you people want....?

First you complain about long time for quotes...

Now you complain about bogus quotes with "mudflaps" etc.. being rejected...

The service for quote acknowlegement / processing has improved.

I would prefer that the preferred list were updated more often,  if it
were to be updated every month,  most of this trying to get cars cheaper rubbish 
would be eradicated.

Try suggesting improvements,  positive thoughts are generally well received.

_Richard

    I think car fleet has just got wise to some loop holes in the rules.
    You should be grateful there is such a large choice, many other
    computer companies have a far poorer car scheme.
    
    
    What do people prefer? 3 month turnarounds with 'loopholes' or 1 to 2
    week turnarounds without?
    
    I know what I would prefer!
    
    Greg

    This is not a moan, it is something that is bugging me since I heard
    that quotes were being rejected because of minor options.
    
    I have heard that if you submit an order from the preferred list then
    car fleet will still have to submit a quote but the difference is that
    you will pay the preferred list price.
    
    Now if this is the case, what is the problem with submitting a personal
    quote with an additional minor option if they have to submit a quote
    anyway ?
    
    Roy

>   I have heard that if you submit an order from the preferred list then
>   car fleet will still have to submit a quote but the difference is that
>   you will pay the preferred list price.
 
Now that system is ludicrous, it wastes resources for all concerned.

But,  the number of quotes that I see in here with locking wheelnuts or mudflaps,
must only be the tip of a mountain of similar speculative quotes.

I would suggest that quotes are formally published,  and should be valid for ALL
employees to reference within the normal time limit.

_Richard

_Richard,

>I would suggest that quotes are formally published,  and should be valid for ALL
>employees to reference within the normal time limit.


	you mean like in the good old days!!!!!

mb

    
    
    
    I think the best way to do it is to have a preferred car list but to
    have it updated approx. once/month to cover model changes price
    increasess etc. so that effectively all cars on the car list are
    covered by current quotes.
    
    Or if that is not possible and we have to stick with getting quotes
    from the leasing co's for cars off the list the driver should pay the
    list price max. ie. if the quote comes back cheaper then that's what
    you pay.
    
    Or the old system of publishing all quotes so that anyone can accept
    them. (I understand this was discontinued to reduce admin. but this is
    my fourth company car and the first time a quote has been submitted for
    a car for me. So I can't see the saving)
    
    I can see the point of getting two competitive quotes, but it must
    cause a lot more admin, could we not get a better deal from one of the
    lease co's if we used them solely on the understanding that if we think
    we get a better deal elsewhere then we  take all next year's business
    elsewhere to keep them competitive? Or possibly even sub-contract all
    fleet operations to a lease co. as we have with Logistics.
    
    Richard (young@wlo)

    Finally received the following for the Toyota Carina E Executive....
    
    Driver Price	1199
    Lease Term		24 months/60,000 miles
    Quote Number	014342 Date requested 10 FEB 93 Quote expires on 
    			18 MARCH 93
    Extras		Metallic paint
    
    
    
    My order is in....................
    
    Paul	

    Has anyone had a recent quote on either an Alfa 155 or Alfa 33 or even
    a 164,any ideas on the lease cost of one of these ?
    
    thanks
    
    Steve.

    
    Re -.2
    
    Thanks, but it lacks a mandatory requirement, a third row of seats. I'm
    told that the Passat used to offer this but not now according to the
    local VAG dealer.
    
    I've gone for the Mazda 626 Estate for which the quote is somewhere
    back in this note.
    
    Thanks,
    Richard

     Has anyone had a test drive of a MX6. Are they any good, and has
    anyone had a quote.(realistic or not)
    
    Thanks
    
    Keith
    

    
    
       You can't afford one of those Keith :-) :-)
    
    
    Paul....

    
    
    	Isnt the MX6 a 2.5 engine?...what about tax...do you know something
    about the budget that I dont...............?
    
    
    	Graham.

    RE:.591, .592, .593
    
    A guy can dream can't he......and besides I	understand their are to be
    some changes to the company car tax allowences...So the question still
    stands....Does anybody have a quote, or had a test drive...?
    
    See you at Stevanage!
    
    Keith

    Had a reply for a Montego Clubman 2.0 Diesel with PAS, Roof cross bars, 7
    seat capacity, towbar with twin electrics, metallic paint all for 0 pounds!
    
	Tim

    
    Re : the XM quote...
    
    The XM Si Turbo Est is 19245 with no extras, so with aircon and alloys
    the price is going to be way over 19250.
    
    Richard.

    Subject: Your Quotation :- SEAT TOLEDO 1.9 GLX TD HATCHBACK
    Driver Price    : #82
    Lease term      : 30  months / 60,000  miles
    Quote number    : 014582 Date requested : 23 FEB 93 Quote expires on 31
    MAR 93
    Extras          : As requested.
    
    Put in the quote form 2 weeks ago. Got a receipt of form by mail 2 days
    later, and then the actual price 2 weeks after posting the quote form.
    I think thats pretty good service. well done car fleet.
    
    Jonathan Ives @ UCG

    
    Subject: Your Quotation :- SEAT TOLEDO 1.8 GTI 16V SALOON          
    Driver Price    : #1269  
    Lease term      : 36  months / 60,000  miles
    Quote number    : 014546 Date requested : 19 FEB 93 Quote expires on 31
    MAR 93
    Extras          : (None).
    
    I thought this was quite a lot for a 14.5K motor.
    
    Dave.
    
    

    	
    	Just received a quote for a Calibra 16v with reduced-cost option
    	cloth interior.....#1192....JOLLY good I think !
    	Quote is for 24 months / 60K miles...dont know if this makes it
    	cheaper ?????
    
    	Graham.

    Hi,
    
    Has anyone had a quote for a Nissan 200SX with air conditioning???
    
    I know there are standard quotes for the sunroof model, however the 
    air conditioning is a no-cost option if you don't mind loosing the
    sunroof! I'm just wodering if it makes a difference to the lease cost.
    
    Thanks,
    Anil....

    The ZX 16v quote looks very good as are most Citroen quotes at the
    moment.
    
    Roy

    The quotes for the Citroens look extremely good, but I would find a
    decent local franchised dealer first before you get too carried away...
    
    In my experience of two dealers, customer service, and ability to fix
    highlighted problems, are nearly non-existent.
    
    
    
    Stephen

	I've just received a quote for a cavalier SRi 16v with pearlescent paint
and an electric sunroof for 847 pounds.....

	Thats nearley 200 quid less than its 8v partner on the basket quote.

	Quote No 014657 if anyone is interested, and it expires on the 2nd April .

Andy

Astra 16v quote to follow........

	Re .610

	I totally agree .........

Andy

    I got a quote through last week for a cavalier 2.0i ls 5 door with towbar
     (twin electrics) for 71 quid. This should make a cheapie towcar.
    
    No other extras though....
    
    Gareth

    
    Re .610 and .612
    
    I have had three Citroen Bx's. The first was poor (too many electrical
    problems and noisy - a 19something petrol), but the two diesels have
    been absolutely perfect - FOR ME. I have only used the West Heath
    garage in Cove - not one complaint and nice people.
    
    Ian.
    

    Thanks John
    
    I still have some time before the lease on my 16V Astra expires so if
    I save hard and stop eating I might just be able to afford an MX6....
    

    re : ZX Turbo Diesel
    
    Could you also say what model it is (ie Aura ? Volcane ?)
    
    Roy

    re .618 and .619
    The Turbo Diesel was an Aura, and I haven't got the quote number.
    
    If you mail WARDER::MCGRATHD he can help you.
    
    Stuart

re -1
Times yesterday stated that Ford are intending to reduce the price of
Mondeo to be more in line with Cavalier prices. Perhaps you should requote

	Dave

    I think this price reduction business is done by squeezing the dealer
    margins. The effect is to get a lower MLP for the new taxation system,
    but won't have any effect on the price that Hertz / PHH get the car
    for.
    
    ~sam

    
    
    ....yes, maybe it won't be any cheaper....
     
    but it WILL affect the tax you pay next year as that is going to 
    be based on list price. So it is worth a requote as Ford did 
    announce price reductions yesterday.
    
    
    Richard.

	Extracts from todays Mail:


	price cuts up to 10%

	The New Mondeo up to 1,145 pound cheaper

	Almost 4,000 private motorists that have already bought the Mondeo can 
	apply for refunds.

	The company is cutting the dealer margins from 17.5% to 10%

	The move follows Vauxhalls lowering of dealer margins last week after
	increasing the price of all models except the Cavalier and Corsa.

	Ford said it was in response to the governments decision to tax company
 	cars on their list price.

	Heather

So much does that make Mondeo's now ?

Any views on what this will do to Ford Dealers ?

Dave D.

	The prices of the Mondeo have dropped between 300 and 1100 pounds.
	I think the price of the GLX is 700 pounds cheaper. The other news
	is that Ford are cutting the dealer margins to 10% from 17% on the
	Mondeo range.