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1338.1 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Fri Jan 11 1991 12:50 | 6 |
| > 2) bans on unnecesary driving
Is having to commute 150 miles a day unnecessary ???
;-)
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1338.2 | | VOGON::ATWAL | Don't dream it, be it | Fri Jan 11 1991 12:56 | 7 |
| >>2) bans on unnecesary driving
fit dodgy clutch cables to all new cars
:-)
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1338.3 | Get serious! | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Fri Jan 11 1991 13:11 | 5 |
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How about a ban on WEEKDAY driving and forcing Digital to give us all
terminals at home?
Mark
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1338.4 | | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Fri Jan 11 1991 13:17 | 11 |
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Mark that thought had (almost) struck me.
I consider [in the context of a national emergency] my daily commute to work
to be unnecesary driving. I'd cheerfully forego it and keep my precious fuel
for visiting customers and going to the shops once a month.
Unfortunately my wife still needs to get to work so it probably won't help in
my case...
/. Ian .\
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1338.5 | | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Fri Jan 11 1991 13:24 | 17 |
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Going back to how we'd cope with these, the speed limit would
presumably be the easiest to comply with (average speed to Reading
each day is about 25 mph!). Fuel rationing could be a bit tricky,
certainly for those who have to travel long distances (like Jane).
Defining an unneccesary journey is totally impossible and unenforcable,
so we needn't worry about that.
As for a ban on weekend driving, I suspect that this would be the best
way to loose support for a Gulf war amongst the general public.
But anyway, John and George (pity Gorby's name isn't Ringo isn't it?)
tell us a Gulf war would be over in days and we all know that they
wouldn't lie to us don't we?
Mark
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1338.6 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Fri Jan 11 1991 15:37 | 9 |
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> Going back to how we'd cope with these, the speed limit would
> presumably be the easiest to comply with (average speed to Reading
> each day is about 25 mph!).
I'd rather not....it takes me 2 hours + to get to the Solent as it is !!!
:-(
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1338.8 | Re -1 | NEWOA::VANDIK::HENNEMAN | Reality? - not today thanks | Fri Jan 11 1991 17:43 | 2 |
| You wouldn't be saying that because you've just passed you bike test by any
chance ?
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1338.9 | | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Fri Jan 11 1991 17:57 | 10 |
| > <<< Note 1338.7 by VANTEN::MITCHELLD "............<42`-`o>" >>>
> -< Ban cars .... Go to work on Bikes >-
Quite right, just think how fit we'd all be if we all CYCLED to
work.
However, would DEC be prepared to shorten my working day by 3 hours to
allow for the extra time it'd take to get to and from work each day?
Mark
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1338.10 | | SIEVAX::CORNE | Sometimes you get the Elevator, sometimes the Shaft | Mon Jan 14 1991 11:23 | 6 |
| >> However, would DEC be prepared to shorten my working day by 3 hours to
>> allow for the extra time it'd take to get to and from work each day?
And another hour to recover....plus all those extra showers :-)
Jc
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1338.11 | Holland is ready | HOO78C::DUINHOVEN | Weird scenes inside the colemine... | Mon Jan 14 1991 14:58 | 14 |
| Dutch programme is ready at the Home ministery.
Advise from government is order of impact:
- Advise everyone to reduce speed to 100 km/h
- Strongly recommend car pooling
- Car - less sundays or even weekends
- Fuel distributions system via coupons (X litre/coupon)
We have had similar situation in 1973 when the first oil crisis
was there. At that time I had a Citroen 2CV, which did not consume
a lot.
What preparation has been done in other EEC countries?
Hans
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1338.12 | :-) | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Mon Jan 14 1991 19:58 | 3 |
| > What preparation has been done in other EEC countries?
As of this morning's news...nothing in Britain...
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1338.13 | | JANUS::BARKER | Jeremy Barker - T&N/CBN Diag. Eng. - Reading, UK | Mon Jan 14 1991 21:56 | 5 |
| In the UK in 1973 petrol coupons were distributed but never put into use.
This was before the UK was self-sufficient in oil supplies.
jb
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1338.14 | Would you restrict your speed 'upon request' ? | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue Jan 15 1991 12:25 | 16 |
| New last night mentioned possibility of fuel-saving measures, which
would be used if it appeared that the [several months worth of] fuel
reserves were running low.
First of these was a blanket speed limit of 50mph on motorways,
possibly with a lower limit on lesser roads.
The idea of fuel rationing, using coupons, has also been considered.
Personally, I think that the government should ask for a 'voluntary'
speed restriction to 50mph - rather than wait until petrol supplies
are already low. That way, it would not be illegal to drive at the
existing speed limits, it would be a matter of the drivers' conscience.
J.R.
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1338.15 | | COUNTY::WHEELWRIGHT | Lapsed atheist | Tue Jan 15 1991 12:27 | 8 |
1338.16 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Tue Jan 15 1991 12:48 | 6 |
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Re: .14
Personally, I'd prefer fuel rationing....the lessening of speeds would come
as a matter of course as people find ways to make their ration go further.
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1338.17 | | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue Jan 15 1991 12:54 | 3 |
1338.18 | | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Tue Jan 15 1991 13:07 | 6 |
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Oh yeah, rationing.
As I recall that's the surest way to lead to a thriving black market!
Mark (Who doesn't fancy paying 3 pounds a gallon!)
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1338.19 | | SPAWN::BRIGHT | Coffee Darling? Ah, Capuccino... | Tue Jan 15 1991 13:22 | 7 |
1338.20 | At least 5 gallon! | NEWOA::BARRON | Snoopy Vs Red_Barron | Tue Jan 15 1991 13:44 | 14 |
1338.21 | | VOGON::ATWAL | Don't dream it, be it | Tue Jan 15 1991 13:48 | 7 |
| rat...
if oil does become really expensive will cars such as Ferraris become
dead cheap? (as happened at the last oil 'crisis')
...art
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1338.22 | Would a 4200cc Jeep be large enough ? | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Tue Jan 15 1991 14:43 | 13 |
1338.23 | | SUBURB::PARKER | GOTTAJOB - regrettably outside DEC | Tue Jan 15 1991 14:55 | 7 |
| I seem to recall that the coupons had the registration number on them,
so you could only fill up the correct car.
Doesn't stop you driving the big feller to the pumps, filling up, then
syphoning the petrol into the little one.
Steve
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1338.24 | Rationing will be a last resort if other methods fail | JANUS::BARKER | Jeremy Barker - T&N/CBN Diag. Eng. - Reading, UK | Tue Jan 15 1991 16:31 | 18 |
| Re: .23
> I seem to recall that the coupons had the registration number on them,
> so you could only fill up the correct car.
That was the system in 1973. The number you got was also increased if you
could prove that you needed to use your car for business purposes.
> Doesn't stop you driving the big feller to the pumps, filling up, then
> syphoning the petrol into the little one.
That would no doubt be highly illegal. It would have been in 1973 if
rationing had been activated.
I tend to prefer to let the price rise until demand falls to equal the
supply.
jb
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1338.25 | | DOOZER::JENKINS | Quote......unquotE | Tue Jan 15 1991 16:53 | 11 |
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Was diesel going to be rationed in the '70s during the oil crisis?
I remember all the petrol rationing preparations. I think you
needed a logbook + mot to claim coupons if memory serves.... or
was it just a logbook?
R.
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1338.26 | | SUPER7::BROWN | WYSIWYG | Tue Jan 15 1991 17:20 | 4 |
| And what about foreign visitors needing petrol..... Both business and
tourist.
Laurie.
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1338.27 | Solution for foreigners | HOO78C::DUINHOVEN | Weird scenes inside the colemine... | Tue Jan 15 1991 19:05 | 5 |
| Re .26
Foreigners should take public transport or hitch-hike.
Hans
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1338.28 | | SUBURB::PARKER | GOTTAJOB - regrettably outside DEC | Tue Jan 15 1991 20:01 | 4 |
| Quite right, Hans. There is only one thing worse than a foreigner, and
that is a xenophobe.
Steve :-)
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1338.29 | | VOGON::SHAHIB | | Tue Jan 15 1991 20:32 | 3 |
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No need for petrol rationing, just raise the tax on patrol by
between 300% to 1000%. I'm quite sure the demand would fall.
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1338.30 | Brrrrrrr | SUBURB::VEALES | Simon Veale - DEC Park, Reading | Tue Jan 15 1991 21:25 | 2 |
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What about the oil for my central heating !!
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1338.31 | | FORTY2::QUICK | Tunstall Common Flyer | Tue Jan 15 1991 22:16 | 2 |
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Anyone want to buy a Ranger Rover?
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1338.32 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs & some nuts | Wed Jan 16 1991 11:10 | 8 |
| Re .24
> I tend to prefer to let the price rise until demand falls to equal the
> supply.
... i.e. only the rich and those who have company-paid-for fuel
are able to use their cars. It doesn't quite sound fair to me.
Ian.
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1338.33 | :( | HLDG00::SOLAYMANTASH | Sally with an M. | Wed Jan 16 1991 18:42 | 11 |
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On a similar line of thought as .26...
What happens to foreign cars in UK or vise-versa???
[ I have an English car and currently live Holland. ]
If it came to it where would people like me get their
petrol rations from????
Sally (who-wasn't-worried-until-she-read-these-notes)
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1338.34 | This is funny | HOO78C::DUINHOVEN | Weird scenes inside the colemine... | Wed Jan 16 1991 19:06 | 12 |
| RE .33
My dear Sally, you seem to be a foreigner in Holland..........
Re .28
Steve, (Gottajob etc.)
Gottajob outside DEC too.
1st of March latest
Hans
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1338.35 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs & some nuts | Thu Jan 17 1991 10:49 | 7 |
| According to this morning's Radio 4 news, the price of oil had it's
largest ever swing overnight *DOWNWARDS*!
North Sea Brent initially climbed from $29 to $33 a barrel - but on the
news of the success of the allied attack force, dropped to $25.
Ian.
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1338.36 | When supply>=demand prices do not rise | JOCKEY::NELSONR | Rob Nelson @EOO | Thu Jan 17 1991 13:10 | 11 |
| My alarm radio turned Radio 4 on as this was being reported this
morning. For a few moments I had great difficulty in guessing waht
could happen to have reduced oil prices so dramatically. Had Iraq
surrendered? Tucked away in the following reports was the fact that
Pres. Bush had released the oil reserve. In view of the uncertainty of
war reports (after the first few hours) I suspect that the oil reserve
is the reason, not the early goal.
I shall keep my tank full anyway.
Rob
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1338.37 | the same would work again | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Thu Jan 17 1991 15:19 | 6 |
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Ration books were issued in the early 70's on production of a Road Tax License.
One way to get untaxed cars off the roads eh ?
:-)
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1338.38 | But oil prices went down... | HEWIE::RUSSELL | Well, it was here a minute ago... | Thu Jan 17 1991 16:30 | 7 |
| After the Gulf war started, oil prices suffered their biggest ever one-day
drop in prices, and most stock exchanges had a mini boom.
Just proves the world of high finance is beyond a simple north country
boy like me, I'spose.
Peter.
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1338.39 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Thu Jan 17 1991 16:32 | 6 |
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>After the Gulf war started, oil prices suffered their biggest ever one-day
>drop in prices, and most stock exchanges had a mini boom.
That's because Bush released the Oil reserves onto the market....
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1338.40 | Don't expect the fall to stick | JANUS::BARKER | Jeremy Barker - T&N/CBN Diag. Eng. - Reading, UK | Thu Jan 17 1991 17:05 | 11 |
| The cause of the drop in oil prices is because people believe that due to
the initial success of the attacks on Iraq and occupied Kuwait, there is a
lower probability of disruption of supplies from the Gulf. Remember that
the prices are for oil loaded onto tankers in February, the price had
earlier (over the last couple of weeks) risen somewhat as the market
believed that there would be problems.
The situation is very volatile, one setback in the conflict could have a
dramatic effect on the price.
jb
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1338.41 | | SPAWN::BRIGHT | Coffee Darling? Ah, Capuccino... | Thu Jan 17 1991 17:21 | 14 |
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Oil price for Brent crude fell $4 overnight on the Tokyo market
*before* Pres. Bush released oil reserves. On _that_ news, the
confidence was reinforced and the price fell further: at the
last count it was $5.75 down.
I read one report saying that the gasoline price per ton(ne) was
unchanged. This is apparently the main influencer of forecourt
prices.
Markets being what they are, I expect the price will yoyo for
some time.
Steve.
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1338.42 | | OVAL::ALFORDJ | Ice a speciality | Thu Jan 17 1991 17:39 | 6 |
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>Markets being what they are, I expect the price will yoyo for
>some time.
Well I have no doubt that, regardless of market prices, the price at the pumps
in Britain, will rise sharply, rapidly, and keep on going... :-(
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1338.43 | Some US prices frozen | TSGDEV::WAITE | Things are fine in Mt. Idy she goes on | Thu Jan 17 1991 20:23 | 4 |
| In the US, several oil companies said they would freeze the price of
gasoline to wholesalers. This in response to the condemnation they
got when prices went up by the hour in August. Of course now that the
market price has dropped you can bet the 'freeze' will not be lifed.
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1338.44 | Oil companies are fooling us | HOO78C::DUINHOVEN | Weird scenes inside the colemine... | Fri Jan 18 1991 13:33 | 7 |
| Guess what, before the war started, the oil companies raised their
prices enormously, but did not lower them yesterday, nor they will do
it today! Now it comes: They are complaining over the radio about the
fall of the market prices!!!!! For me they are the biggest crooks
on earth (except insurance companies maybe)
Hans
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1338.45 | | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Fri Jan 18 1991 13:38 | 4 |
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What? You missed Estate Agents surely?
Mark
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1338.46 | Wait ! There's More... | ESDV00::MUDAN | Man-Made Soul | Fri Jan 18 1991 15:24 | 3 |
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And the Accountants, Solicitors... ;-)
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1338.47 | | FORTY2::QUICK | Tunstall Common Flyer | Fri Jan 18 1991 15:26 | 2 |
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Used car salesmen, contractors...
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1338.48 | Never ending? | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Fri Jan 18 1991 15:35 | 4 |
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politicians, stockbrokers...
Mark
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1338.49 | | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs & some nuts | Fri Jan 18 1991 15:53 | 1 |
| ... ratholers ... :-)
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1338.50 | No reason why it should have come down in price yet | JANUS::BARKER | Jeremy Barker - T&N/CBN Diag. Eng. - Reading, UK | Fri Jan 18 1991 19:38 | 6 |
| Re: .44
The price of petrol is based on its own Spot Market price - not on the
price of crude oil.
jb
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1338.51 | Cynical of REO | HUGS::AND_KISSES | Tall dark stranger in a black felt hat | Fri Jan 18 1991 20:45 | 4 |
| The price of petrol is based solely on what the unofficial cartel of oil
companies think they can get away with...
Scott
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1338.52 | Rip off Petrol company's. | YUPPY::RAVEN | | Sat Jan 19 1991 19:38 | 10 |
| reply .51
Well said that man !
K.Raven
P.S. Someone broke all the windows in my local Esso garage the other
night .
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1338.53 | | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Mon Jan 21 1991 12:07 | 13 |
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hang on ... according to my next door neighbour (retired stock broker)
the big oil companies buy on the *futures* market. If they buy at $50
and the price drops to $30 they are still required to pay $50 when the
note comes due.
That is why they complain when the price drops suddenly and massively -
they take a huge loss.
Only the little guys buy on the spot market and can get the best low
prices...
/. Ian .\
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1338.54 | | OVAL::SAXBYM | Contentious?Moi?Rides again! | Mon Jan 21 1991 12:11 | 9 |
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> Only the little guys buy on the spot market and can get the best low
> prices...
Which is why you see these stories from time to time on the news about
the one or two garage entrepreneur who drives his tankers to Rotterdam
to fill up and sells petrol for 20p a gallon cheaper than the big boys!
Mark
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1338.55 | | RUTILE::BISHOP | | Mon Jan 21 1991 13:44 | 10 |
| re .53 FUTURES MARKET...
Very true..
The Futures market is kind of like an advance date market...
The 2 sides decide the price for 1/3/6 months in advance...
Therefor todays price could have been made 6 months ago... of course
this is all only relavent on paper... ;-)
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1338.56 | More futures | HUGS::AND_KISSES | Tall dark stranger in a black felt hat | Mon Jan 21 1991 14:46 | 8 |
| When oil prices went up initially, the oil companies put up petrol prices to
compensate. According to this "futures market" thing, they shouldn't have
done this as they'd already agreed to buy the oil at a lower price. They got
a benefit then, buying at a lower price than "spot market buyers", so it's not
fair of them to complain now, and by their own arguments the price of petrol
should fall now, not when the big companies start buying oil at lower prices.
Scott
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1338.57 | The consumer has little choice - pay up, or walk ! | CRATE::RUTTER | Rut the Nut | Mon Jan 21 1991 15:53 | 18 |
1338.58 | Good news... | COMICS::WEGG | Some hard boiled eggs & some nuts | Mon Jan 21 1991 16:45 | 12 |
| The BBC lunchtime news reported that the major oil companies are to
reduce the price of petrol by upto 9p a gallon from midnight tonight.
The reasons given:
1. The Gulf crisis has had no significant affect on the supply of crude
oil to the West - tankers are queuing up to unload.
2. The recession and a mild Winter have combined to make the demand for
oil low.
Ian.
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