Title: | Cars in the UK |
Notice: | Please read new conference charter 1.70 |
Moderator: | COMICS::SHELLEY ELD |
Created: | Sun Mar 06 1994 |
Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 2584 |
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Interesting article in the current issue of Autocar & Motor about Ford's relacement for the Sierra due out in '93. They say that in addition to the hatchback, saloon and estate there will be a coupe version available which may be called the Capri. I've never been a fan of the current Sierra but the artist's impression of the new "Capri" looked very nice indeed, not a million miles away from the Calibra in fact. Engine sizes are from 1600cc upwards. I would think that with the new 1800cc 16v Zeta engine (to be fiited in the new XR3i out next year) the new "Capri" looks like an attractive proposition. - Roy
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1331.1 | More info please | EDSAC::MARSHALL | Waterloo Sunset | Thu Jan 10 1991 11:37 | 7 |
1331.2 | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Thu Jan 10 1991 12:19 | 5 | |
The new Sierra will be front wheel drive, so I guess you'd call it a completely new car... /. Ian .\ | |||||
1331.3 | KERNEL::SHELLEYR | Mon Jan 20 1992 17:18 | 13 | ||
1331.4 | ELBOW::BELLINGER | Mon Jan 20 1992 18:00 | 3 | ||
The Ford 'Probe' is on sale in Germany, but for some strange reason hasn't shown its self over here yet. I have herd rumours that Mazda had something to do with this model ? | |||||
1331.5 | Bloke could have been Bulls4!tting I suppose | CURRNT::PAYNE_A | Discount Pants'n'Haircuts | Mon Jan 20 1992 18:44 | 9 |
During the summer, my brother bought a car from a dealer deep in the heart of the Hampshire countryside. Also on the dealers forecourt were an imported Ford Probe (white, LHD) and a MkII Mazda RX7. The dealer said he bought the Probe off a bloke who imported it for his father when they were first released in the USA, and that it was practically identical to the Mazda (under the bonnet etc. , I suppose). Not surprising really seeing that Ford own an x% stake of Mazda (where x is fairly big). Andy | |||||
1331.6 | Capri doubter | TASTY::JEFFERY | You get surface noise in real life! | Mon Jan 20 1992 19:43 | 4 |
I think the probe was based on a MAZDA MX-3. I never thought much of the MX-3 either. Mark. | |||||
1331.7 | KERNEL::FISCHERI | I'm not from Bushey | Mon Jan 20 1992 20:06 | 5 | |
I thought it said that the Probe MAY come to the UK as the Capri. Personally, I thought it looked pretty gross - very "American" looking! Ian | |||||
1331.8 | Most of the good pieces are Mazda ;-) | KAOOA::LAVIGNE | Tue Jan 21 1992 17:28 | 12 | |
The Ford probe and mazda 626 are made in the same assembly plant in the US. They are a joint project between mazda and ford. For example,the Ford Escort GT and Mercury Tracer LTS both have the Mazda 1.8DOHC engine, as did the mazda protoge GT. the FOrd Prode comes with a Ford engine or 2 different mazda engines. Outside and inside design is Ford and most of the engine/transmission/suspension is Mazda. so depending on what options you choose decides the proper parts bin it comes uot of. To show some other partnerships. Ford markets the Festiva which is just a rebadged Mazda 121, and Mazda markets a Navajo which is a rebadged Ford Explorer. And Mercury in the US sells a Capri which is made in Australia, and is a 2+2 convertible based on the older Mazda 323. | |||||
1331.9 | Stick yer probe where it belongs | UNTADI::WILCOCKSON | Ace | Tue Jan 21 1992 18:54 | 6 |
I wouldn't be seen dead driving around in a car called a 'Probe'. Although having seen one, it's probably a good name for it. Al. | |||||
1331.10 | COMICS::SHELLEY | Mon Jan 24 1994 15:40 | 7 | ||
Saw a transporter the other day loaded up with 'Probes' (that name is gonna take some getting used to). It certainly is a smart looking motor. Apparently they are not available until March. Royston | |||||
1331.11 | COMICS::SHELLEY | Bugs B Gone | Mon Feb 28 1994 12:45 | 5 | |
The Probe is launched in th uk in March (or so I understand). Any one know of th edate or if Ford dealers have brochures for it yet ? Royston | |||||
1331.12 | COMICS::FISCHER | Life's a big banana sandwich | Mon Feb 28 1994 17:50 | 1 | |
It's gonna be on Top Gear on Thursday night. | |||||
1331.13 | WELSWS::HEDLEY | Lager Lout | Mon Feb 28 1994 19:21 | 7 | |
With all this talk of the Probe, I can't help feeling that they should have spent a bit more time considering its name. I only mention this after a friend of mine picked up a recent copy of Car Week and immediately p'd herself laughing at it. I won't repeat the comment that she made, but it was a bit, er, rude... Chris | |||||
1331.14 | WOTVAX::BELLR | White Rose ex-pat | Mon Feb 28 1994 19:50 | 5 | |
It's launched on March 14th I believe. I saw a Probe in the States recently, looks good, it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the Calibra. Richard | |||||
1331.15 | CHEFS::OSBORNEC | Mon Feb 28 1994 22:52 | 5 | ||
A couple of the rags have already done Probe-Calibra back to back tests. Probe won heavily each time. Colin | |||||
1331.16 | FORTY2::PALKA | Tue Mar 01 1994 13:10 | 16 | ||
1331.17 | COMICS::FISCHER | Life's a big banana sandwich | Fri Mar 04 1994 16:36 | 9 | |
Any comments on last night's review? I thought the Probe looks crap - too "American" in styling. And the Calibra looks a lot better that the Honda. It's a shame they tested the top of the range model rather than the one that will sell, and there are plenty of other cars that compete directly, BMW 3 series, Rover 200, MX6, Celica, etc... Ian | |||||
1331.18 | BAHTAT::62664::dodd | Fri Mar 04 1994 18:17 | 8 | ||
I saw this. I don't understand why they knock the Calibra. When TG tested the turbo Calibra vs the Turbo Cosworth Escort the Ford won even though the Ford was less controlled in the "tests". The Probe looked very American, and the glass curves at the back looked pretty cheap - I suppose I'll wait till I see one. It wasn't quick. But TG said it was the real thing. Internally it looked much like all the others. Me - I just will never buy a Ford - pure prejudice. | |||||
1331.19 | COMICS::SHELLEY | Bugs B Gone | Thu Mar 24 1994 00:19 | 12 | |
1331.20 | Probe test drive ... | BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL | Martin Bell, NETCC, Birmingham UK | Tue Mar 29 1994 13:16 | 73 |
... well i spent Sunday at a Ford Probe launch event at Losely (sp?) Park near Guildford. After dripping ice cream over "static models", we road-tested both the 16v and 24v cars. Now i will be very honest! I wasn't really looking forward to driving a sixteen and a half grand Ford car, especially one with a 115bhp (or "XR3i" output) engine - i was only after the free mints and coffee. The first car i drove was the 24v, but sadly this was with a "minder" sitting in the passenger seat, so i couldn't be too silly! It was only a ten minute "round the block", but it was enough to appreciate a very fine (Mazda) engine. It is so quiet that you can hardly hear it, very smooth with plenty of torque for an effortless drive. I drove the 16v second, so i was almost certain that i would be dissappointed, but this was not so. This time it was a 45 minute drive "on your own", so i was in a much better position to determine how the car really handles. Or rather i _should_ have been in a better position, but the local Police had also heard about the event, so the test route was amply patrolled by jam sandwiches, bikes and even radars. Also, it would be rather hard to remain inconspicuous when you were in a convoy of 70-odd other identical motors! Anyway, the 16v was also very impressive. It felt a much more mature engine than i was expecting, and seemed to have more bhp than the specifications suggest. Both cars handled well, (although my minder told me off when i drove enthusiastically round a rotary, er, roundabout). Reading the brochure, it does not actually say whether the car is front or rear-wheel drive, and on the road it is also quite hard to tell - it is VERY neutral (i.e. safe) when thrown into bends, and it is only the torque-steer that gives away the driven wheels. Grip is excellent, with the 16v having 205 tyres all round, and the 24v with 225s. The test cars were fitted with every accessory, including cruise-control, RDS radio, air-con, electric sunroof etc. I would only recommend the cruise-control with the 24v, as the 16v seemed a little lumpy when trying to maintain speed. Build quality is good (the UK models are still are made in the US), and the design of the interior is of a standard equal to (or maybe even better) than the MR2. Rear legroom isn't! The car comes with an immobiliser as standard, and this is controlled by a button on the ignition key which talks to the car via an induction loop. How they fit the 24v engine into the front nobody knows. There isn't even enough room to get a feeler gauge in there. So, whats good about the cars? Nice shape, great interior, superbe 24v engine, lots of goodies as standard, good driving position, lots of visibility, safe handling, effortless to drive. ... and whats not so good? No rear legroom, 16v has very tacky allow wheels, no handle on the tailgate, so you are forced to hold the bodywork when opening and closing the boot, not a lot of headroom, sunroof opens "outwards" to lie on the rear of the roof, rather pricey. Nevertheless, the 24v is certainly worth having! mb |