Conference terri::cars_uk

    Re note 1.0, I think it's set nowrite for moderators notices.
    
    Re speed, Is notes given a low priority on Marvin??.
    
    Richard

Slow ? I find this one of the _fastest_ notes files that I access

This conf does seem slower than usual today.  Is it anything to do with last
night's power-down in areas of DP2?

Scott

    
    It's been slow all this week.  It used to take (from SBP) a second from
    'op c' to seeing the first pasge displayed.  Now i'm looking at
    10+ seconds.  The same with UK_DIGITAL (also on Marvin).
    
    Once connection has been made then the reponse is as it was.
    
    Other nodes around the world have the same response time so it can't be 
    SBP.
    
    Nigel

            <<< Note 1222.4 by OVAL::GUEST_N "Nowhere at all...." >>>

    
>    Now i'm looking at
>    10+ seconds.  The same with UK_DIGITAL (also on Marvin).
    
>    Other nodes around the world have the same response time so it can't be 
>    SBP.
    

its not that bad from here (Newbury)

below are the times it took (two runs) to open Notes confs
on a number of UK nodes.. the average for Marvin seems to be about 
8 seconds.... and an average of 5 seconds for RDGENG

run (1)

Node MARVIN  ,   time 00:00:05.33 (CARS_UK conference            )
Node BURYST  ,   time 00:00:02.31 (The DIY box                   )
Node BURYST  ,   time 00:00:02.71 (European Ask the Easynet      )
Node LESLIE  ,   time 00:00:04.20 (Newbury and its denizens      )
Node RDGENG  ,   time 00:00:04.18 (Reading 'bout Reading         )
Node UKCSSE  ,   time 00:00:05.45 (Couch_Potato_UK               )
Node MARVIN  ,   time 00:00:05.15 (   Matters Relevant to Digital)


run (2)

Node MARVIN  ,   time 00:00:09.90 (CARS_UK conference            )
Node BURYST  ,   time 00:00:04.23 (The DIY box                   )
Node BURYST  ,   time 00:00:04.55 (European Ask the Easynet      )
Node LESLIE  ,   time 00:00:03.00 (Newbury and its denizens      )
Node RDGENG  ,   time 00:00:05.36 (Reading 'bout Reading         )
Node UKCSSE  ,   time 00:00:03.38 (Couch_Potato_UK               )
Node MARVIN  ,   time 00:00:06.09 (   Matters Relevant to Digital)
[EOB]





                                                                     

>>         <<< Note 1222.5 by NEWOA::BAILEY "Dive! Dive! Dive! Dive!" >>>
>>below are the times it took (two runs) to open Notes confs
>>on a number of UK nodes.. the average for Marvin seems to be about 
>>8 seconds.... and an average of 5 seconds for RDGENG

run (1)

>>Node UKCSSE  ,   time 00:00:05.45 (Couch_Potato_UK               )

run (2)

>>Node UKCSSE  ,   time 00:00:03.38 (Couch_Potato_UK               )
    
    
    Couch_Potato_UK is on TIMMII, not UKCSSE. i.e. it's on an RD54 on
    a VS2000, with a search list for the notes library. 
    
    Given that, these response times are impressive when compared to
    the bigger fish such as MARVIN & RDGENG.
    
    Richard





                                                                     

    

    
    Ok, but it is definitely slower than it used to be, and it is
    by your figures the slowest node in the UK.
    
    Euro_motoring on TIMMII is a couple of seconds
    ( as are conferences in Ferney...)
    
    Nigel
    

MARVIN is in network area 1.  Area 1 is used for testing Phase V DECnet,
and it could be that they have changed something in the routers.

Given that it's been running on pre-Field Test for several months I think
it a tribute to our Engineering people that access is as good as it is.

jb

	You're right Marvin is in area 1 and is partitioned from Area 42 by
	two pairs of Phase V MicroServer Routers running inter-Phase links
	to the Marvin cluster (still Phase IV).  Additionally, area 42 is now
	also Phase V.  Phase V isn't in itself slower, but translating back
	and forth between Phase IV and Phase V is.  In the past, we've also
	run slower synchronous protocol links between area 1 and area 42 as 
	part of our testing.  Additionally, we have an awful lot of development
	routers all running and exchanging LSPs every time a sparrow coughs on
	the network, so our network traffic is *very* high.

	The Marvin cluster is also pretty heavily loaded, with one member out
	(running the latest VMS stuff for compilations against DECnet-VAX
	baselevels.

	Dave

    Thanks for taking the time to give such a clear explanation.
    As a follow-up, might it not be a good idea to find a new home for
    MARVIN's public notes files?  This would ease your network load, too.
    
    Jeff.

	Well, the routing load/traffic will come down as we start running
	our end system implementations...

	I've been trying to download V5.3 savesets from MARVIN today,
	it being the suggested local distribution node in easynet_kits...

	I have given up.

    re. 12 (and I aplogise for the rathole now!)
    
    Why not make use of CD? There are several CD distribution points
    around, and it saves the network...
    
    And the ConDist CD is cheap (About $150 internally), the CD players are
    cheap, and you also get the SSB kits for lots and lots of products as
    well! Then you can also get the CD documentation disk, and give your
    workstations users access to the latest on-line bookreader
    documentation as well....
    
    Anyway, I reckon it's a good idea to leave this file on MARVIN; a volume
    test on phase V seems a good idea to me....
    
    Peter
    

    
    re phase V.
    
    Don't you think that all this is degenerating to Star Trek levels ...
    
    Spock : partition Area 42 by two pairs of Phase V MicroServer Routers 
    running inter-Phase links to the Marvin cluster (still Phase IV).  
    
    Scotty: Aye, but weeve gottta run slowerr synchronous protocol links 
    between area 1 and area 42 as part of our testing.  Additionally, we 
    have an awful lot of development routers all running and exchanging LSPs
    every time a sparrow coughs on the network. She canna tek it capn, shes
    brrreykin oop !!
    
    Kirk  : Well do the best you can, and fix the sonic wipers in trap three 
    as the klingon problem is getting unbearable .....
    
    Nik ;-)

	and I thought that I was working in a high-tech computer company,
	now, about helical valve design...

    .14
    
    Love it to bits.
    
    Steve

I see that normal service has been resumed - from Wednesday to Monday it was
more or less impossible to access from Switz.

Steve