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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

1219.0. "Philips Cassette plays slow ?" by UKEDU::HARMER (Geoff Harmer U.K. Edu (830) 6229) Tue Sep 11 1990 14:33

    Anyone having/had problems with the Philips radio Cassette (satellite
    model) as fitted to Renault 19.
    I've had mine a year and it runs slow in one direction when hot.
    This morning a replacement one was fitted and it runs slow most of the
    time. However the garage produced a bought cassette (rod Stewart) that
    sounds OK. Most of my bought cassettes run slow. My TDK AD90 and D90
    home recorded cassettes also play slow.
    It seems that C90 and cheaper cassette shells produce enough drag to
    slow the motor. 
    
    Is there a TEST CASSETTE available so I can prove to the garage the 
    player is rubbish ?
    
    	Thanks for any help..
    
    				Geoff
    
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1219.1the longer the heavierTLE::LEGERLOTZDid I say 'No New Taxes'? Re-read my lips...Tue Sep 11 1990 19:0912
    Most pre-recorded cassettes are about 25 minutes per side.  A D90 is 45
    minutes per side.  The extra length of the tape can cause enough drag
    to make it appear slow.
    
    Some of your cassettes may have become slightly stretched by being used
    in a faulty unit, too.
    
    I would try some cassettes that haven't been played recently on your
    faulty player.
    
    -Al
    
1219.2This will take you some time...IOSG::MARSHALLHarry PalmerTue Sep 11 1990 19:295
Play a cassette on a player you know runs at the correct speed.  Time it.
Now play it on the faulty car player.  Time it.  This will tell you how
slow the player is running.

Scott
1219.3The other way roundPUGH::FRENCHSG6ZTZ and byTue Sep 11 1990 20:024
Also try  shop recorded cassettes, if all you play is home recorded it could
be that your cassette player that you record them on runns a bit fast.

Simon
1219.4Customer satisfaction?PLAYER::KENNEDY_CTue Sep 11 1990 20:064
    
    Sounds like the one in my Astra, ended up buying a Pioneer unit after
    sending it back to Phillips twice, they said there was nothing wrong
    with it. Seems strange that they're not doing too well at the mo ......
1219.5CHEFS::ARNOLDWed Sep 12 1990 17:375
    Also sounds like the player in my R25 and I thought it was just Nigel
    Kennedy's interpretation of Vivaldi until Dire Straits wowed and
    fluttered too.  I'm on my second Phillips in the same car and this unit
    is about 18 months old.  No matter, the ash tray is full so the lease
    must be ending....
1219.6Now proved it...UKEDU::HARMERGeoff Harmer U.K. Edu (830) 6229Thu Sep 13 1990 17:4627
1219.7Speaker UpgradesAYOV11::GHUTCHEONFri Oct 12 1990 17:5813
    
    I have the standard philips cassette in my astra and it also has speed
    problems.
    
    Has anyone replaced their Speakers with the Alpine or Pioneer
    standard replacements which fit the holes in the dash and rear panels?
    If I replace the cassette I would like to upgrade the speakers but
    don't want to cut holes anywhere. (Are they any good?).
    
    Any advice welcome.
    
    PS Is the Clarion HiFi Cassettes a direct replacement for the philips.(
    i.e. Do you have to fit the Clarion cage.)
1219.8RUTILE::BISHOPFri Oct 12 1990 18:268
    Re : Alpine and Pioneer speakers.
    
    
    Personally i'd go for the PIONEER speakers if you are looking for 
    direct replacements. PIONEER are far superior in the 3-way speaker
    area, ALPINE tend to deal/concentrate more with the 1-way speakers.
    
    Although i'd never go PIONEER ;-)
1219.9Woof WOOf WWOOOOFF *BANG* ;-(RUTILE::COXIt's back, new and improved ... Mon Oct 15 1990 18:0412
1219.10It must be getting oldMANWRK::SMITHMEx-FYO, WLO, MCO, & all stns to ...Tue Oct 16 1990 18:2414
1219.11Perhaps someone put some pillows on your Speakers?SUBURB::SCREENERRobert Screene, UK Finance EUCTue Oct 16 1990 20:5511
    Sounds like either the tape head and perhaps the capstian needs a
    clean.  Or it could be the tape player's azimuth adjustment (of it's
    playback head) is a bit out.  
    
    Or the cassette recorder used to record your tape could have been out! 
    You can probably adjust this from the top surface of the player unit, but I 
    wouldn't move the thing until I was abolutely sure that the tape played
    is correct.  Isn't problem solving a b|&ch when you have no point of 
    reference.
    
    Rob.
1219.12YUPPY::FINNSat Oct 20 1990 20:5210
    I get the same problem with the Philips in my Renault 19. I find that I
    can't play both sides of the same C90 one after the other. When I eject
    the tape it also feels quite hot, as does the tape mechanism. Could it
    be the heat from the bulb which illuminates the front panel? The car
    doesn't help matters, because the system is at the top of the fascia
    where it is exposed to the sun. And of course, being black, the dashboard
    absorbs heat anyway. The problem certainly seems to be worse when the
    sun has been shining.
    
    I think it's just down to poor design.
1219.13Not limited to RenaultsUKCSSE::RDAVIESI can't tryp for notsMon Jan 14 1991 17:5112
    I'm getting the same with a phillips R681 in my Rover (it's the top
    model they fit). What I've done to demonstrate it to the dealer is tape
    two minutes of the speaking clock.
    
    Playing it back on several tape players (including the old one in my
    wife's car) it keeps time. Playimgh it back on my errant unit, by the
    time the tape says "two minutes" it's two minutes eleven seconds on my
    watch!.
    
    I'm going in tomorrow!.
    
    Richard
1219.14If it turns, turn it!WARNUT::HARRISCNot very nice at allMon Jan 14 1991 21:048
    RE -1
    
    Open up the unit, find something that will turn with a screwdriver
    and turn it.  It the speed changes, your home free, if it blows up, go
    back to the dealer say 'Honest, I was just inserting my Jason Donavan
    tape and it blew up', and get them to replace it.. Simple  8-)
    
    ..Craig   
1219.15Not worth the fiddleUKCSSE::RDAVIESI can't tryp for notsTue Jan 15 1991 16:198
    Nah, the car's only 4 months old. I went in, they've ordered one, to be
    replaced under warrantee.
    
    Anyway, judging by how common this is in this notesfile, it's probably
    a design defect, or at least a bad batch of motors or something. Let
    them fiddle, I'll have a brand new one thanks.
    
    Richard
1219.16Fifth time lucky??????VIVIAN::T_SMITHWed Jun 12 1991 17:4115
    On the subject of tapes slowing down, I've had this problem with the
    Phillips 681 in my Cavalier.  It's been going on for months now, which
    has resulted in 4 replacement stereo's being fitted, and the last story
    from the Vauxhall dealer was that they'd checked with the suppliers who
    said the stereo's OK - dealer then blamed my tapes.
    
    After talking to PHH I gave the Vauxhall dealer one more chance, they
    just phoned back and said there IS a problem with the 681 but it's not
    been sent out in a bulletin. Any NEW stereo is supposed to be OK from
    now on.
    
    Time will tell I suppose.................................
    
    
    Tony
1219.17Now OKTIMMII::RDAVIESI can't tryp for notsMon Jun 17 1991 15:594
    Well (belatedly) they replaced mine, in January, and it has been OK
    since.
    
    Richard
1219.18Success means moaning a lot!!!VIVIAN::T_SMITHTue Aug 20 1991 13:2112
    Well, after my last note (.16), Vauxhall admitted that the fix is only
    fitted to NEW stereo's. and not to re-con's. This means that they just
    fit a re-con to get rid of the customer (I've had 4 so I know!) 
    
    Bottom line----complain via Hertz or PHH, then maybe you'll get
    somewhere.
    
    I had a brand new stereo fitted a couple of months ago, and it's been
    fine ever since.
    
    
    Tony