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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

975.0. "Help!? XR2 keeps needing recharging!" by KERNEL::LOANE (Once upon a time in a TU45!) Mon Mar 05 1990 12:01

    Can  anyone shed any light on the following problem. I would like to 
    have a go myself and fix it, rather than pay out some massive fee to 
    a local garage to have the satisfaction!!

    Anyway,  my  wife  has a B reg XR2. It's done only 14,000 miles (not 
    overly stressed). About 6 months ago, the battery started to  `fail' 
    in  that,  if  left for a week, it would require a re-charge. So, we 
    got a new battery, and all was fine.  However,  recently,  the  same 
    sort  of  thing  is  happening  again!!  I  can't  believe  it's the 
    battery. I sort of  suspect  either  some  leakage  current  or  the 
    Alternator.  I've checked the Mercury Switch in the boot lid (thanks 
    Neil!) to see if it's always got the light  on.  Next  thing  is  to 
    pull  out  fuses  one by one and `AVO' the circuit to find something 
    that's sucking power. How do I check the alternator?  Is  there  any 
    point  in removing it; are there any serviceable parts inside?? Have 
    I overlooked anything?

    Cheers
    	Chris
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975.1Don't try stripping an alternator unless you know what you're doing!BRIANH::NAYLORPurring on all 12 cylindersMon Mar 05 1990 12:2621
First of all, removing and stripping an alternator is not a job for the amateur.
You can have a garage put a clamp-meter on for you (probably for free) to
check it's pumping current correctly.  Usual problem is that during winter we
use a lot more electrical load and the alternator may fail, but it's unusual.
In the old days, dynamos were a lot less reliable and gave MUCH less current!

1.Have the alrenator current checked at a garage.

2. With the ignition OFF, remove the + lead from the battery and as it comes
away, see if there's any sign of a spark - indicating a leakage to something.
It may just be the clock, but you never know!  If you get a big spark, say
something that seems as big as from a spark plug, then you've definitely got
a leakage problem.

3.CLEAN EVERYTHING!  If you have any corrosion on the electrics between the
alternator terminals and the battery, it will not work to full efficiency and
will eventually stop altogether.  If you wife's car has basically "sat" for
the last 5 years, there may be some hidden corrosion on the terminals that
should be cleaned off.

Brian
975.2Check the earthIOSG::MITCHELLElaineMon Mar 05 1990 13:186
    
    Pay special attention to the earthing straps and contacts. The symptoms
    from a bad earth make the battry appear to be flat when it is perfectly
    ok.
    
    Elaine
975.3ANNECY::MATTHEWSM+M Enterprises. Thats the CATCHMon Mar 05 1990 13:347
    Is the battery going flat, or is it ust that it won't turn the engine
    over long enough to get it to start ??? I had a similar problem with
    an old Fiesta which was cured by replacing the battery with a higher
    power one. The original battery would only turn the engine over for
    a very short time on cold mornings, evern when in good condition.

  Mark
975.4VANILA::LINCOLNThe sun has got his hat onMon Mar 05 1990 15:1515
	Basically there are two possibilities -

	1. Something is discharging the battery.

	2. It's not being charged.

	You'll need a test meter to find out, by measuring the current
	with ign off (should be minute), and with engine running (should
	charge).

	As the last reply stated, if it's just a question of starting it
	could just be an expired battery, sounds as if it's 6 years old
	so it wouldn't be surprising, but I'd check first.

	-John
975.5The simple check...UKCSSE::RDAVIESLive long and prosperMon Mar 05 1990 15:206
    Or ... go to the lucas service centre and have a charge-check. I did
    when my wife's Visa started doing this. Turned out there was a short
    circuit cell in the (11 month old) battery. Went back to one-stop who
    supplied the battery, and got a replacement.
    
    Richard
975.6Possible current leakVANDAL::BROWNMMon Mar 05 1990 16:376
My Dad had a similar problem in his Toyota Corolla.  He measured the current
leaking and found it was about 30mA.  He cleaned the alternator around the
terminals and the leakage was eliminated.  Don't expect a zero current by-the-way
as most radios and of course the clock taks a small current.

Mike.
975.7Thanks....but the solution was rough!!KERNEL::LOANEOnce upon a time in a TU45!Tue Mar 06 1990 14:5211
    Well,  thanks  for  all  the  input/suggestions.  I  checked out the 
    leakage  current,  and  there  was  a  massive  4mA....not   exactly 
    crippling  for  a  200 Ah Battery (or whatever it is). So, I thought 
    that I'd better bring the car in to Halfords to see  if  they  would 
    check for a bad cell. That's the good news.

    I parked the car at work...2 hours later, our building is gutted  by 
    fire,  and  my  wife's car is a burnt-out hulk. That's the last time 
    she'll let me try and mend anything for her!!.

    Chris