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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

466.0. "Welding advice wanted - diy" by AYOU17::NAYLOR (Drive a Jaguar, fly a Cheetah) Wed Jan 25 1989 18:45

    Has anyone any advice on using electric welding equipment on cars?
    
    I'm looking at an electric welding outfit from Argos - on special
    offer - and reckon I could really save a lot of money on small jobs
    such as minor repairs and patching.  Wouldn't attempt a chasis job
    yet though!  I have been told that brazing is a better bet but not
    being expert at these things I'm looking for advice from experts
    - there must be SOME out there!!!!
    
    The sort of money we're looking at is about #65 for the 180A welder
    but around #300 worth of jobs!                 
    
    Thanks,	Brian
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466.4Any info on Welding Kits ? Types/Prices/Use...CRATE::RUTTERRut-The-NutFri Apr 05 1991 17:1143
466.5Sorry, forgotten the makeVOGON::MITCHELLEBeware of the green meanieFri Apr 05 1991 18:1524
466.6Well, what if I bring a strong bag?SHIPS::SAXBY_MSmoke me a kipper...Fri Apr 05 1991 18:216
    FYI, Calor Gas fire bottles are also not sold to you, but merely
    loaned (against a hefty deposit) for you to keep the gas in while you
    use it! :^)
    
    Mark
    
466.7MIGIT....COMICS::COOMBERBeware of low flying moguls...Fri Apr 05 1991 20:1613
    If you can afford it TIG is just the the best, but for general uses
    MIG with 5% argon is the best bet. I have done ally welding with a mig
    on a motorcycle engine case, the result was very acceptable. I have
    also used ARC for heavy jobs but it is harder to make a nice neat job 
    if you try to use it for think sheeting. ARC brasing is just something 
    else. Generally MIGATRONIC make some of the best mig and tig gear but
    its expensive. There are obviously others but that just happens to be
    the make I have used. For general not really high quality but good
    value for money I'm lead to beleive that the CLARKE range on welding 
    equipment is quite good.
    
    
    Garry
466.9Its a gasCOMICS::COOMBERBeware of low flying moguls...Mon Apr 08 1991 13:506
    
    Another reason for using bottles rather than the gas cannisters, apart
    from the high cost, is that A) steel welds are cleaner and you get less
    splatter and B) forget ally welding with C02.
    
    Garry
466.11gassedCOMICS::COOMBERBeware of low flying moguls...Mon Apr 08 1991 16:5917
466.12101 Questions re Mig/TigESSB::DOODYThu Apr 25 1991 19:5118
    I too am just at this stage re. purchase of MIG welder:
    The model I am interested in is something in the SIP range..
    Perhaps the "Autobody+" range. 
    
    However I have some questions:
    It must be good for thin bodywork
           (I already have oxy/actylene and Arc)
    What is the difference in practice between gas/gassless MIG welding 
    (ie is the gassless type any good?)
    
    Would I be better off with Tig? but are there any DIY sets available and
    at what price?
    
    And finally does anyone know the address for SIP in UK (I want to find
    out from them who their Irish distributors are.
    
    Brian.
    
466.14CHEFS::CLEMENTSDSo much to do...so little timeFri Apr 26 1991 12:346
    Try "Toolwise" in Leicester for the info on SIP
    
    Why do you want MIG and Arc? Don't they achieve the same end goal?
    
    MIG is kind of expensive to run if you stay with the tiny bottles so go
    with a set that you can get a full size bottle regulator for.
466.16It's a good job I have got a thick skin........CHEFS::CLEMENTSDSo much to do...so little timeFri Apr 26 1991 13:197
    No, I didn't say I could weld 22g steel together, Derek, so why would
    you read that assumption into a a question asked in the interests of
    improving my knowledge?
    
    So having put the question down with a statement you then don't tell me
    whether 22g steel can be joined using MIG techniques. I infer from you
    that it can't be ARC welded......... 
466.19I think that we can avoid the clash of the Titans.....CHEFS::CLEMENTSDSo much to do...so little timeFri Apr 26 1991 14:3510
    No offence taken Derek, and I'm sure none was meant. With a conference
    that moves as fast as this one does, sometimes youy can lose track of
    what's being said or going on, so if my timing was out or something you
    said didn't stick, that's an error/shortcoming down to me. Why does
    work keep getting in the way of Noting?....;-)
    
    I have a job gas welding 22g steel.
    
    Give me 12g copper and a stick of silver solder any day of the week!
    Maybe I ought to build my own steam car.........
466.20Its a gas(bottle) Mig for meESSB::DOODYFri Apr 26 1991 17:5432
    Gents,
    
    THank you very much for your comments.....
    
    I have oxy acteylene and find that welds in thin material tend to
    distort quite a lot if both edges to be joined are not exactly parallel
    ==> very close fit needed --> it is excellent for custom exhaust
    construction. 
    
    Brazing is very easy and quite strong BUT cannot be grinded down if you
    wish to preserve the strength of the join. Brazing is extremely
    difficult where there is a joddled joint
    
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                      | and here ?
    
    Maybe i'm over welding these type of joints?
    
    As for arc : it's more useful for constructing workbenches than car
    work. 
    
    It's the same old story..
    No matter how many tools/gadgets you have :: you'll never have enough!
    
    Thanx.
    
       Brian.