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50.71 | 965 in Geneva ? | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Wed Feb 28 1990 13:35 | 15 |
| Hello Porsche fans,
Just read in my favorite auto mag that Porsche should be showing
their new 965 (replacement for the 911 Turbo) at the Geneva Motor
Show 8-18 March). The new car will be using the new shell developped
for the 964 (Carrera 4) as well as its suspension, steering, gearbox
and will also use the new 3.5 ltr engine in turbo version, fully
compliant with worldwide emission control regulations. Max power
quoted : 330 bhp. No max torque figure (600Nm?).
One of the reasons for dropping the 911 Turbo model last year was
competition from the new Carreras (Carrera 2 has comparable top
speed and acceleration figures). The 965 should set new standards.
To be confirmed next week.
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50.72 | Any more ...? | RUTILE::BISHOP | | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:07 | 11 |
| Patrick,
Where is the show to be held? How much is admission cost? How do
you get there?
I would be intersted in going. Please (if you can) supply some
more details...
Thanks in advance...
Lewis.
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50.73 | About 1 mile away as the crow flies... | RUTILE::GUEST | Drill... Drill... What Drill ? | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:14 | 9 |
|
Lewis,
You can't miss it. It's at Palexpo ( just across the border).
Car parking isn't bad ( forget the cost now).
I hope the Cizetta is there again ... ( drool !)
Nigel
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50.74 | Did I miss something? | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:41 | 1 |
| Erm, Patrick, arn't we up to 3.6 l now? Or is it 3.5 for the turbo?
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50.75 | My Twopenneth | YUPPY::WALKERK | | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:46 | 24 |
| Just thought I'd write to see whether anyone else has a BROWN
Porsche 911 SC (yes, don't all laugh!)
I've only heard of one other in this country (I regularly go to
the PCGB meetings, which, by the way, if you haven't joined yet,
is very worthwhile for finding contacts/parts when things go wrong
- you can tell I'm not very technical!) but would be interested
to hear of any others (its Cockney Brown by the way and I call it
the Flying T***).
Joking aside, I've driven quite a few so called "performance cars"
and can honestly say that I'm hooked (and yes, the rear has flipped
a couple of times - very unnerving but entirely my fault I'm afraid).
It's a 1980 model and completely original (and it concours condition
- it was placed last year - not at the National I must admit).
One thing I would be interested in, if it's not too nosey, is the
price people have paid for similar cars, because it would seem that
mine has doubled in value in the 2 years I've owned it (I paid just
under #11,000.
That's all for now I think.
Happy Porsching!
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50.76 | | IOSG::MITCHELL | Elaine | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:55 | 5 |
|
We've got a friend with a brown Porsche - it 'lives' in this country,
but is left hand drive - is that the one you know about?
Elaine
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50.77 | Brown 911SC | YUPPY::WALKERK | | Wed Feb 28 1990 15:04 | 8 |
| Elaine
No, I'm sure this one was RHD. So perhaps there are 2 now!
Thanks for answering.
Katie
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50.78 | | VOGON::ATWAL | Dreams, they complicate my life | Wed Feb 28 1990 15:10 | 5 |
| my old neighbours (in Coventry) had a chocolate brown 911 with a white
Carrera sticker across the door, they traded this in for a choc. brown 928S...
the taste of some people eh?
...art
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50.79 | confirmed | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Wed Feb 28 1990 16:21 | 11 |
50.80 | | VOGON::ATWAL | Dreams, they complicate my life | Wed Feb 28 1990 16:26 | 6 |
| >> Launch will take place on 6 March at 11h30. Max power 320bhp.
^^^^^^
the current (or recently deceased) one has 330bhp (in the UK anyway)
...art
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50.81 | Will someone buy me one? | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Wed Feb 28 1990 16:35 | 1 |
| Auto Motor & Sport were quoting 370 ps, seems more likely somehow.
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50.82 | Palexpo | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Wed Feb 28 1990 16:38 | 13 |
| re .72
As noted by .73 it's at PALEXPO located just across the motorway
from the airport. There are zillions of car parks with shutlles
driving towards the show. Entrance fee usually around Sfr 10. I
dont have anymore details. The show opens around 9 or 10am and
closes at 7pm except on certain days (Wed , Sat ? not sure) where
it remains open till 10pm.
re .73
I've just been contacted (they left a note) by Cizeta probably for a
test drive. I'll keep you informed.
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50.83 | | DUCK::TAYLORG | Bodybuilders do it till it hurts | Wed Feb 28 1990 16:43 | 8 |
| re .80
The standard 911 Turbo had 300bhp and the Turbo SE (With popup
headlights) had 330bhp.
Grant
P.S The old 330bhp 911 did 171mph!
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50.84 | Where is my fairy-godmother ? | RUTILE::GUEST | Drill... Drill... What Drill ? | Wed Feb 28 1990 17:24 | 9 |
|
re .82
How do you do it !!!!
And how much are they.... ;-(
Nigel
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50.85 | did not see any price quoted | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Wed Feb 28 1990 17:33 | 1 |
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50.86 | Still want one ... | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Fri Mar 02 1990 12:37 | 5 |
| This time Auto Motor & Sport are quoting 320 ps for the Turbo, with a
3.3 l engine, same as last time. Photo still had old style front, also
with Turbo wing.
I wish they would all make their minds up!
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50.87 | Give it full flaps and ease the throttle... | RUTILE::SMITH_A | 2 down and 1 to go | Mon Mar 05 1990 16:44 | 8 |
| Seen two 964's now, one parked in Geneva, one motoring out of Grenoble,
so I've seen the 'wing' up and down.
How does it work ?
Does it pop up automatically or is it controlled by the driver ?
Intrigued.
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50.88 | | PEKING::TAYLORG | Bodybuilders do it till it hurts | Tue Mar 06 1990 16:02 | 5 |
| re-1
I think it automatically raises above a certain speed.
Grant
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50.89 | | RUTILE::BISHOP | | Tue Mar 06 1990 17:17 | 8 |
| re; -a couple
I don't think this is the answer. I've seen it raise itself as the
guy was slowly pulling away from traffic lights.
Maybe it's at a certain rev count. Or maybe it's temperature
controlled,... voice activated,... fingerprint coded,... ;-)
Lewis.
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50.90 | Naa ... just magic! | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Tue Mar 06 1990 17:36 | 9 |
| There is a switch just in front of the gearlever to raise or lower the
rear tray. I would imagine it is electrically operated.
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50.91 | Special Chip | MARVIN::RUSLING | MicroServer Phase V Session Control | Tue Mar 06 1990 18:04 | 5 |
| There's a special PF Sensor Chip that works out when to raise and lower it...
Where PF = Pose Factor
Dave
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50.92 | | RUTILE::GUEST | Drill... Drill... What Drill ? | Tue Mar 06 1990 18:14 | 9 |
|
re .90
> I would imagine it is electrically operated.
What ! You mean the passenger doesn't have to manually wind it
up and down ? What will they think of next :-) I remember when....
Nigel
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50.93 | | VOGON::ATWAL | Dreams, they complicate my life | Tue Mar 06 1990 19:05 | 16 |
| >>There's a special PF Sensor Chip that works out when to raise and lower it...
>>Where PF = Pose Factor
^^^^
sure its POSE factor and not ....
;-)
...art
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50.94 | | SHAPES::STREATFIELDC | VW Beetle.. IOSG::AIR_COOLED | Thu Mar 08 1990 16:43 | 10 |
| Thought this was a more appropriate note to put this in;
In front of me in the queue today to join the M4 at Newbury,
PORSCHE 944
Registration No: 94 FOR
NEAT!
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50.95 | There you have it! | MACNAS::BMULQUEEN | | Thu Mar 08 1990 17:15 | 5 |
| That reg. (94 FOR) featured in a CAR magazine article from a few
years ago. Believe it or not, I was only reading the same article
last night.
Billy
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50.96 | | SIEVAX::CORNE | Position Independent | Thu Mar 08 1990 17:26 | 4 |
| Try looking at the Porsche office car park in Theale (at J12). Lots
of "porsche" numbers, most on the "right" car to!
Jc
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50.97 | | CASEE::MERRICK | Aspiring to a writers block... | Thu Mar 08 1990 18:43 | 3 |
| A friend has a 911 with the reg A911DJW, his initials being DJW. All
part the local Porsche dealers service.
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50.98 | has anyone seen it already ? | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Fri Mar 09 1990 20:25 | 3 |
| As promised the 965 has been publicly launched. It's called ....
Carrera 2 Turbo
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50.99 | Not yet! | SIMD::KENNEDY_C | | Sun Mar 11 1990 17:36 | 6 |
| I thought it was coming out in December this year, still if it's out
already, then maybe the dealers will stop asking crazy prices for the
old turbo, so that us plebs might afford one. BTW, 320 ps is with Kat
whereas the old 300 was without.
Colin (who missed a very interestingly priced 81 turbo last week)
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50.100 | | FNYMV6::KEHILY | Almost... | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:46 | 5 |
| They have catalytic 911 turbos on show at the Geneva Motor Show at the moment,
I guess this is the one you mean. There are two there, one behind glass (with
a selection of colours available so you can choose which one to order :-).
Graham
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50.101 | a Turbo ? no way ! | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Mon Mar 12 1990 20:19 | 9 |
| Colin,
You don't want to drive a Turbo ! They're extremely heavy to handle
on anything other than motorways. At Le Castellet, which is not
a slow circuit, I could easily stay infront of them with my 2.7
Carrera. At Ledenon I was faster than the Turbos with a 928S4 !
Weight and turbo lag are the real issues.
Now I haven't tested the new one so I can still change my mind ...
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50.102 | Suckered again? | PLAYER::KENNEDY_C | | Tue Mar 13 1990 14:04 | 12 |
| Hi Patrick,
Guess what, I've done it again. 944 with one of those little spinning
things connected up to the exhaust this time. Picking it up in a few
weeks, couldn't afford another 911 at the mo. It's an '86 with 44000
kms and seems very clean. Hope it runs ok.
I didn't stay away for long did I?
Cheers,
Colin
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50.103 | 250 kph no problem ..... | PLAYER::KENNEDY_C | | Tue Apr 03 1990 16:13 | 14 |
| Picked the car up the weekend before last. It certainly goes, I would
say generally quicker than a 911. Two problems so far, speedo packed
up, restarted, generally mucking around. Got under the car, took out
the sender, and found the connections full of water. Has worked all the
time since cleaning it.
Second is not a problem as such, really a question. One of the front
dipped beam bulbs had gone, I replaced that and decided to replace the
rear fog light which I knew was not working. Took the panel out, no
bulb there, also no connection for a bulb. There is only meant to be
one rear fog light. Seems strange, as British versions get two? Must
admit though that the 911 only had one, had the other fitted by the
garage I bought it from. I have the lense, but no light, what a bunch
of cheapskates!
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50.104 | if you're gonna start a rathole take a lamp | RUTILE::SMITH_A | 2 down and 1 to go | Fri Apr 06 1990 13:50 | 9 |
| >> I have the lense, but no light, what a bunch
of cheapskates!
I have the same set-up on my Golf. Going to buy the neccessary loom
extentions and lamp holders next trip to Uk.
Must be teutonic penny-pinching.
T
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50.105 | ! | IJSAPL::CAMERON | Studying fluid dynamics, from a stein | Fri Apr 06 1990 14:02 | 8 |
|
Also applies to Nipponese penny pinchers, my 200 SX only has one
rear fog lamp, but there are two lenses !
Gordon
P.s. Have you got an "all singing all dancing alarm" in this one
Colin ?
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50.106 | Set hidden - underground. | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Fri Apr 06 1990 14:25 | 6 |
|
Yup, alarmed and now garaged. Seems the main thing I have to do now is
nip down the scrappy and get the central locking bits off a wrecker.
Did you know that the 944 Turbo is referred to as the 951? Also, no
problem to up the power by 60-80 ps. Could be interesting!
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50.107 | Safety, not penny-pinching | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Thu May 03 1990 17:37 | 16 |
| > >> I have the lense, but no light, what a bunch
> of cheapskates!
>
> I have the same set-up on my Golf. Going to buy the neccessary loom
> extentions and lamp holders next trip to Uk.
>
> Must be teutonic penny-pinching.
Not penny-pinching, it's to do with safety. One off-side fog is
thought to be safer than two. Two lights can lead to confusion, is it
one or two cars (remember this is for really bad weather only)? Also,
probably more importantly, is that by not having a blazing fog light in
the vicinity of the near-side brake light, a following driver has a
chance to spot when the driver in front brakes.
I wouldn't fit a second fog light.
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50.108 | Not standard in the UK | AYOV27::ISMITH | Mr The Fish? | Thu May 03 1990 20:46 | 5 |
| I have a Polo, with a fog light on one side and a reversing light
on the other. Several people have told me that one of my reversing
lights has gone.
Ian.
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50.109 | I'd prefer two anyday. | UKCSSE::RDAVIES | Live long and prosper | Fri May 04 1990 16:40 | 21 |
| >> <<< Note 50.107 by WOTVAX::MEAKINS "Clive Meakins" >>>
>> -< Safety, not penny-pinching >-
>> Not penny-pinching, it's to do with safety. One off-side fog is
>> thought to be safer than two. Two lights can lead to confusion, is it
>> one or two cars (remember this is for really bad weather only)? Also,
>> probably more importantly, is that by not having a blazing fog light in
>> the vicinity of the near-side brake light, a following driver has a
>> chance to spot when the driver in front brakes.
I dispute this, seeing one light your more inclined to believe it's a
bike. Seeing two you NATURALLY assume a wider vehicle and can judge
it's dimensions. Some people say that you can confuse them with stop
lights if you just briefly glance at them: agreed, but that goes the
same for a single light as well.
As for being near the stop lights: there are rules about how close they
can be. In practice in fog, I find them fine. The only problem is when
they're used at other times.
Richard
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50.110 | | SHAPES::FIDDLERM | | Fri May 04 1990 20:07 | 14 |
| I think the point is not to make assumptions in bad weather,
What are the rules for fog lights and stop lights? I was once behind
someone on the A-whassit going into Reading in fog, and the whole back
of his car seemed to be lit up red. There were huge red lights on his
back window-sill, and jumbo-jet landing lights hanging on the back of
the car.
When he slowed down, there was no way I could tell his brake lights had
come on. I just had to judge that I was closer because the red haze
was brighter.
Sorry if this is a rat hole
mikef
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50.111 | Tasteless or what ? | HAMPS::PATTISON_M | | Fri May 04 1990 20:40 | 7 |
| Re .-1
> and jumbo-jet landing lights hanging on the back of the car.
Are you sure you weren't going up the M1 at the time ?
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50.112 | | SUBURB::PARKER | | Fri May 04 1990 20:59 | 8 |
| I _think_ the rule is that visibility must be less than 100 metres
(English translation: 109.36 yards) before fog lights - front or
rear - can be used.
They never seem to prosecute, though. Carelessly used rear fogs
can be lethally dazzling.
Steve
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50.113 | the rules | IOSG::MARSHALL | | Fri May 04 1990 21:12 | 19 |
| This is the law:
-If one fog light fitted, it must be on the offside or in the centre
-If two fitted, one each side
-Fog lights must be >100mm from any brake light.
-They must be >200mm from the ground.
-There must be a brake light each side of the car, between (I think) 350 and
1200mm from the ground, and within 400mm of the car edge.
I don't know the rules for extra "high level" brake lights.
The lenses for lights must be approved for a specific purpose. So, for example,
a lens approved only as a fog light could not be wired up as an extra brake
light (unless it's also an approved brake light...)
So a car with a blaze of red lights is probably breaking some law.
Scott
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50.114 | | TPLAB::KENNEDY_C | | Mon May 07 1990 14:44 | 8 |
|
RE. last few
The point was that the lense was there, just the wiring wasn't.
BTW, you cannot have the rear fog(s) on unless you have the front ones on
as well. Seems sensible to me.
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50.115 | 911 rebuild cost? | TAGART::SOMERVILLE | Flonk your Dwoyl! | Tue May 22 1990 19:59 | 7 |
| How cheaply can one pick up a 10 - 15 year old 911 & in what condition
does the bodywork tend to be?
Is this an expensive rebuild?
Robin_S.
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50.116 | Old 911's don't die....they eat money | LARVAE::WHITE_D | | Tue May 29 1990 22:24 | 18 |
50.117 | 911 + me = broke! | TAGART::SOMERVILLE | Flonk your Dwoyl! | Wed May 30 1990 12:59 | 5 |
| Thanks Dave.
Sounds beyond my means at the moment but maybe in a few years.
Robin.
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50.118 | | FORTY2::BETTS | | Mon Oct 29 1990 12:45 | 8 |
|
Anybody care to enter some details of the 911 3 litre RSR? I
had an all too brief look around one on Saturday. Anyone
driven one?
Thanks in advance,
Bill.
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50.119 | which RSR ? | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Mon Oct 29 1990 14:48 | 1 |
| Bill, do you mean the RSR of 1973-1975 timeframe ?
|
50.120 | | FORTY2::BETTS | | Mon Oct 29 1990 15:01 | 4 |
|
Sounds about right. This one is right hand drive, and N registered.
Bill.
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50.121 | Panic! Help needed with the Porsche badge
| JOCKEY::NELSONR | Rob Nelson @EOO | Thu Nov 15 1990 13:12 | 18 |
| I am putting a Flatnose 911 body on my (1/10th scale electric) racing car
and I want to paint the (small) nose badge in more or less the right colour.
My son has a book full of pictures of 911s but he has taken it to University
with him.
The bodyshell is being sprayed tonight so I need to paint the badge. (The body
is lexan and you paint the inside so the surface detail has to go on first.)
Can someone describe the badge and its colours ASAP? In these impoverished
times we don't have any Porsche cars in the car park!
Regards,
Rob
PS there are extra points if you can do this from memory, without looking at
one first!
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50.122 | | ANNECY::MATTHEWS | M+M Enterprises. Thats the CATCH | Thu Nov 15 1990 13:21 | 4 |
| From memory ... isn't it gold and red quadrants. Red top right and
botton left, gold top left and botton right.
Mark
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50.123 | My Other Car Is One ;-) | ESDV02::MUDAN | Pull The Other One... | Thu Nov 15 1990 15:23 | 23 |
|
The basic shape is similar to a "shield" and the colours, Red and Gold
dominate. A little detail ( EDT permitting ;-) might enhance...
---------------
! P O R S C H E !
---------------
! \\\ !=======! Stripes of
! \\\ !=====<--- Black and Red
! \\\ !=======!
! ---======! "STUTTGART" and Horse
!-----! <--------- emblem inside box
!===== --- \ !
\=======! \\\ / Arched "branches"
\=======! \\\<---- with 'thorns' on
\======! \\ / them
` --------- '
Hope that helps you put the "finishing touch" on ;-)
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50.124 | | SUBURB::PARKER | GISSAJOB | Thu Nov 15 1990 16:17 | 4 |
| Why not get a brochure from your friendly Porsche dealer? It is bound
to have the badge on it, which you could lift off and laquer in place.
Steve
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50.125 | Help please... | HEART::DIDCOCK | | Thu Nov 15 1990 16:52 | 13 |
|
I'm looking for some advice on the question of a 2nd hand
Porsche purchase. The two models I have in mind are a late 1970's 911,
or a 924 Turbo (prob. 1982). Anyone with any info on either of these two?
I'm not looking for comparisons between the two, but suggestions on
what to look for/expect in the cars. The sort of things I have in mind
are reliability, cost to run, corrusion hotspots - under and on top,
models to avoid, performance etc.
I've heard the second-hand 911 market is a minefield, any
comments? Are there any reasonable garages near Reading who will
checkout a 2nd hand 911?
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50.126 | | FORTY2::QUICK | I hate my mouse!!! | Thu Nov 15 1990 17:52 | 34 |
50.127 | How else do you get to your clutch | CHEST::RUTTER | Rutter the Nutter | Thu Nov 15 1990 17:58 | 13 |
50.128 | | ANNECY::MATTHEWS | M+M Enterprises. Thats the CATCH | Thu Nov 15 1990 18:02 | 14 |
| Recent issues of classic car mags are talking about good
condition 911s from the early to mid seventies going for
between 10K and 20k pounds, depending on model.
re: .-1
> Maintenancewise, they have interesting little idiosyncrasies
> like the necessity to remove either the engine or gearbox to
> replace the clutch ...
What is so special about that ???
Mark
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50.129 | Re .127 | FORTY2::QUICK | I hate my mouse!!! | Thu Nov 15 1990 18:03 | 10 |
|
Well the engine was taken from the old (60s) Audi 90,
originally an 1800cc 70bhp unit. Don't know where it
came from before that, could have been VW for all I
know... the 924 body shape was designed for Audi by
Porsche, using as much of the Audi/VW parts bin as
possible. Audi didn't make it because they thought it
wouldn't sell...
Jonathan.
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50.130 | Want to talk about it ? | CHEST::WATSON | Back to mono | Thu Nov 15 1990 18:44 | 13 |
50.131 | Too many Porches already... | OVAL::GROOMN | BOY - it's HOT | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:47 | 4 |
|
Cliff, are you trying to keep up with the Jones's ???? ;-)
Nev.
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50.132 | | PEKING::TAYLORG | Bodybuilders do it till it hurts | Fri Nov 16 1990 13:55 | 4 |
| Look in this months Performance Car. They have and article on buying a
second hand 924/944.
Grant
|
50.133 | | CYCLIC::TURNER | | Fri Nov 16 1990 14:54 | 3 |
| This months CAR magazine has an article on buying second hand 911's
Barrie
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50.134 | 911 RSR | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Sat Nov 17 1990 12:44 | 53 |
| re .118
It all started in 1972 with the 2.4 911S. Customers wanted to have a base
for a race car allowing engine capacity to go over the 2.5 class maximum.
Porsche responded with the 2.7 Carrera RS that quickly turned into the 2.7
RSR, 2.8 RSR and 3.0 RSR.
The new 2.7 allowed Porsche to compete in the 2.5-3.0 class. 3 series of
approw 500 cars were built around end of 1972 early 1973. Certainly one of
the most desirable road Porsches.
2.8 RSR
F series base
Engine: 2808cc, re-bored to 92mm, standard stroke of 70.4mm, Valves 49mm
for inlet, 41.5mm for exhaust.
Peak Power: 308bhp @8000rpm (very flexible engine)
Wheels: 9" front and 11" rear.
Brakes: 917 4 piston calipers.
Lateral acceleration (end of 1973): 1.259g
1st overall 24h of Daytona in early 1973 (Gregg/Haywood)
1st overall 12h of Sebring a few weeks later (same drivers)
At the end of 1973 Porsche decided to produce a new road Carrera 3.0. Only
109 units were built. Arguing that this was a simple evolution of the 2.7
RS (more than 1000 units already built) Porsche got the new 3.0 RS into
the Group 3. For the 1st time in Porsche history the factory built race
cars directly for customers instead of delivering a road car that they could
modify. Approx 50 race 3.0 RSR were built.
3.0 RSR
G series base
Aluminium engine (changed from the 2.7 Carrera magnesium engine and gearbox)
re-bored to 95mm, stroke unchanged 70.4mm, capacity 2994cc, twin ignition
system
Peak power: 315bhp @8000rpm (official Porsche figure, only 7 bhp more than
2.8 RSR engine, original quote)
After modification of the inlet manifold, pael power 330bhp @8000rpm, peak
torque: 32mkg @?rpm.
Wheels: 10.5 J 15 front and 14 J 15 rear, 9 J 15 and 12 J 15 for wet.
Weight: 925-950 kg
Many class victories.
Drivers: Gregg, Haywood, Juergen Barth, Kelleners, Heyer, Wollek, Evertz,
Kinnunen, Ballot-Lena, Schikentanz, Mueller, Van Lennep, Follmer, ...
The 3.0 RSR is the end of a development cycle. The next Porsche race car
used the 2.14 turbo engine. Only a number of years later did Porsche return
to normally aspirated engines for rally cars with the 3.0 SC RS (for team
Rothmans among others).
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50.135 | additional reading/listening | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Sat Nov 17 1990 12:47 | 13 |
|
Bill,
If you want to know more about 911s I recommend reading 2 books:
The Porsche 911 by Paul Frere
Porsche Story by Juergen Barth and Lothar Botschen
If you want to hear those formidable engines J. Barth produced for the
factory a superb record containing most engines sound and the voices of
Prof Porsche and of his son Ferry.
Good reading, Patrick
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50.136 | | FORTY2::BETTS | X.500 Development | Sun Nov 18 1990 16:00 | 5 |
|
Thanks, Patrick. Hopefully I'll be able to give my impressions of
this example after next weekend...
Bill.
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50.137 | Paintjob complete, my other car is a Porsche! | JOCKEY::NELSONR | Rob Nelson @EOO | Mon Nov 19 1990 14:10 | 39 |
| Thanks to those who provided the details or the Porsche badge.
The bodyshell was painted and I spent saturday night mounting it on the car,
beefing up the suspension (thicker oil and spacers to lower the
chassis, together with stiffer springs). Because the the bodyshell sits
over an open chassis it tends to fill with air and lift the rear wheels
resulting in handling problems. I drilled some holes in the rear
window and under the wing. By the time I finished it was 3am! I
should say that I was expecting Sunday to be damp so I set the car up
for Intermediate rubber tyres. When I gort up on Sunday at 7am (yawn)
it was fine and dry so that meant foam tyres! Unfortunately they were
catching on the suspension so I quickly fabricated a lathe out of my
drill and turned them down (the neighbours must have loved an electric
drill at 7:30am on a Sunday).
Th object of Sunday was to get the handling right. Saloon bodies have
a reputation of handling like sheds. Handling was suburb, despite a
very strong cross wind, capable of putting a car on its roof on a tight
bend!
Now I can put the horsepower in and hopefully get competitive.
The paint job looked very nice. White with a green arrowhead, starting
just below the badge and opening to just under wing width at the rear,
with an orange wing. Black wipers and window surrounds. By the time I
get some sponors stickers (Tekin, Demon, and bbk Racing) on it should
start to look OK.
I have always wanted a Porshe, now I have one, and I'll get a winters
fiercly competitive racing (7 meetings) for next to nothing! I support
my "habit" by selling spares etc so I buy my cars etc. at trade, run
them for 6 months and then sell them nearly new for a little less than
I paid for them! The only real cost is the tyres, probaly about 30
pounds for two sets of foams, the intermediate rubbers last forever (on
hard suspension and damp tracks).
Thanks again for the help.
Rob
|
50.138 | | CHEST::RUTTER | Rutter the Nutter | Mon Nov 19 1990 15:02 | 5 |
| Re .137 - racing a Porsche
sounds interesting.
info available on this in another conference ?
|
50.139 | Gobsmacked | VOGON::MORGAN | Physically Phffftt | Mon Nov 19 1990 15:40 | 8 |
| Re: .137
This is a model car, right ??
I honestly didn't believe that there could be so much to it !!
Rich
|
50.140 | | JUNO::WOOD | Scalpel, scissors, replace head ....... | Mon Nov 19 1990 15:51 | 6 |
|
I used to race a boomerang on carpet, and sometimes carpet/paving stones.
Great fun it was. Which kit was it you used, and which make of shell ?
Alan
~~~~~~
|
50.141 | Presumaby it's a radio-controlled car? | IOSG::MARSHALL | Waterloo Sunset | Mon Nov 19 1990 16:43 | 1 |
| ?
|
50.142 | Offers! | PLAYER::KENNEDY_C | | Tue Nov 20 1990 13:09 | 10 |
|
Can I jump on the bandwagon, esp with Christmas coming up?
Anyone want to but a 'Tamiya' ('cause I don't remember the make),
Porsche 959, chassis built (a few years ago), with unpainted body, and
remote control, but might well need a new battery, charger included
though ..... Any reasonable offer considered ....
Very quick, they claim 60 mph for this one ... was in between
contracts when I bought it ... BTW it's the 4WD version ..
|
50.143 | It is a 1/10th scale Porsche | JOCKEY::NELSONR | Rob Nelson @EOO | Wed Nov 21 1990 13:26 | 7 |
| Yes, it is a Radio Control Model. The Radio Control notes file tends
to be very much planes and US based. Rather than clutter up the
Porsche note I'll start another for Model car racing.
Regards,
Rob
|
50.144 | I finally found CARS_UK | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | Help save the Earth. | Thu Dec 27 1990 04:36 | 12 |
| Hello from the otherside of the Atlantic,
I've owned by 1982 911SC for about three years now. A couple weeks ago
I had a little "fender bender". Consequently, the car is in the body
shop (repairs are covered by insurance).
Since they have to paint back to the doors, to allow room for paint
blending, I've asked the body shop to remove a couple door dings.
I expect to have the car back in two weeks.
|
50.145 | good taste | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Thu Dec 27 1990 13:37 | 3 |
| Welcome !
Is your car a 3ltr, 204bhp DIN engine version ?
|
50.146 | History of WP0ZZZ91ZCS101151 | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | Help save the Earth. | Sun Dec 30 1990 19:31 | 74 |
| My car is a 1982 European specification 911SC. I bought it about 3
years ago. The previous owners did not use 94+ octane fuel (it has the
204bhp DIN engine). Because of this inattention, two of the pistons
cracked.
I had a place called "IXXI {911} Enterprises" perform a total engine
rebuild. We replaced the pistons, rings, fuel pump, some internal
gearing, etc. The new pistons are the lower compression U.S. version.
I decided to go with the U.S. pistons because I drive the car daily and
searching for 94+ octance fuel, or adding a fuel additive, is not
practical.
The average fuel in Europe is of higher quality than the U.S. If you
run a 911SC with European compression pistons at high RPMs (400K+ RPM),
detonation of the fuel will occur. Higher octane fuel burns and
presses the pistons downward. Lower octane fuel detonates and smashes
the pistons downward (for a 911 I guess I should have said "inwards"
instead of "downward"}.
I've driven the car about 6,700 miles since the engine rebuild. Other
work has included:
- new distributer cap
- new altenator
- miscellaneous screws and seals
- duplicate keys
- new hood shocks front and rear
- glass tinting all around (I used to live in Dallas, Texas
this helps one survive 104 degree F
days)
- Engine rebuild which included:
o pistons and cylinders
o head set
o bearings
o chains and rails
o carrera chain tensioner kit
o washers, nuts, gaskets, locktite
o clutch disk and plate
o cam sprocket
o air box pop off valve
o fuel pump (the car sat for nine months until I could get
the cash for the engine rebuild, so the
fuel congealed and froze the old pump)
- New Pirelli P700 tires (I bought three because the car had
one good one)
- I've attempted numerous time to get the air conditioner up to
par. One day I'll either have the entire unit removed or
I'll have a rotary compressor put in and a additional
condenser under the front of the car.
- Replaced the hoses to the windshield washer.
- Replaced the alternator belt pulley. The old one fractured.
- Now I run with Mobil 1 15W50 synthetic oil.
- Had a 4 wheel alignment performed.
- Had brake pads and brake fluid replaced.
- Had the turn switch signal replaced (could no longer use bright
lights)
- Replaced wiper blades and airbox straps (the old straps were
rotting)
- Installed McGard wheel locks
- other interior and exterior details
Presently the car is in the shop because of a fender bender. Before
the accident, the body was in excellent shape. It is a metallic
pacific blue. The shop is repainting the hood, fenders, front bumper,
and is blending the paint halfway into the doors. They're using a
Porsche factory paint and clear coat.
The work was slowed becase of the Christmas holidays, but I hope to
have the car by the week of 7 January.
Overall owning this car has been a fun, but expensive, experience. It
is very, very fast and over a period of time I was able to put it in
excellent condition.
|
50.147 | | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Mon Dec 31 1990 16:24 | 12 |
| I understand the problem of using inadequate octane rating ! You
certainly made a good move with the low compression pistons. How do you
like the suspension ? (torsion bars and schocks). I remember mine was
very soft. I had Bilsteins fitted all round but I did not touch the
torsion bars. Standard antiroll bars also. I have friends who saw me on
3 wheels a number of times ....
My experience of the 911SC was pretty good. Service every 10K kms,
nothing more. Of course I had the adequate octane rating. Absolutely
trouble free everyday use for 3 years.
Happy New Year !!!
|
50.148 | Race-tuned or what? | IOSG::MARSHALL | Waterloo Sunset | Wed Jan 02 1991 13:22 | 5 |
| re .146
400K RPM; now that is impressive!
Scott ;-)
|
50.149 | 9999999911111111111 SC | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | Help save the Earth. | Thu Jan 03 1991 01:59 | 24 |
| Today I took my first look at the ongoing body work. Among other
things, I noticed the following:
- A new right front fender will be installed.
- The front windshield was temporarily removed.
- Two door dings were fixed.
- New nozzles for the windshield and headlight washers must be installed.
- A new model 5 mile per hour bumper piston will be installed.
- The paint shop has a sophisticated paint machine. They will use it
to match the existing color.
- After the body shop and the insurance company representative talk
one more time, the shop will paint the car and turn it over to me!
re: -2
No, I haven't performed any modifications to the suspension. If I
perform a mod in the near future, it will be a new exhaust system.
re: -1
four thousand revolutions per minute *8^}
Later dudes,
P.S. I got hooked on Porsches when I lived in Frankfurt during the
early seventies.
|
50.150 | winter oil | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | U.S.N.A. '79 | Wed Jan 23 1991 02:43 | 19 |
| Right now I'm running "Mobil 1 Formula 15 W-50 synthetic" oil in my
911SC. The owners manual has the following to say about the
temperature range.
4 deg F to 105+ deg F === SAE 15 W-40 / SAE 15 W-50
-4 deg F to 90 deg F === SAE 10 W-40 / SAE 10 W-50
Right now in Virginia, USA the temperature gets down to +10 deg F at
night. In the summer the temperature will surpass 100 deg F on several
occasions.
Should I change to a SAE 10 oil now and revert back to a SAE 15 oil
this spring?
This question is cross noted in...
DLOACT::CARBUFFS note 185.*
MARVIN::CARS_UK note 50.*
IOSG::AIR_COOLED note 22.*
|
50.151 | Mobil 1 | UNTADC::LEWIS | It's a Racing Snail... | Wed Jan 23 1991 11:34 | 10 |
50.152 | If you have problems starting, then change | PLAYER::KENNEDY_C | | Wed Jan 23 1991 12:14 | 9 |
|
I agree with the Racing Snail, should not be a problem.
I had to change my oil, when starting was becoming sluggish (couldn't
help that Rob), in Sweden, from 20-50 to 10-30, when temperatures were
dropping to -20, even -30. That cured the starting, but the gearlever
took a good few miles before it would shift easily.
Unless it gets a lot colder, I'd leave it.
|
50.153 | | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Wed Mar 20 1991 17:53 | 8 |
|
Can someone tell me how the 944's pistons are coated and with what,
I've be told that they may be a problem if a car has been left standing
for a long time, and there may be piston scoring. How long is long ?
Thanks Garry
|
50.154 | | CHEST::WATSON | As simple as possible, not simpler | Wed Mar 20 1991 18:00 | 5 |
| I'm not exactly sure what the bores are coated with. Some form of low
friction (al'la PTFE / Silicon) substance. I think 3-6 months is
considered a long time.
Rik
|
50.155 | perhaps squirting wd40 into the pistons would suffice | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Thu Mar 21 1991 13:22 | 11 |
|
If the bores are coated with silicon or whatever, why doesn't it get
washed out during normal running, I do not see how leaving the engine
standing unused, would be more harmfull then actually running it.
Would it be sufficient to run the engine for a couple of hours every
month or so to get around this problem ?
Garry.
|
50.156 | | CHEST::WATSON | As simple as possible, not simpler | Thu Mar 21 1991 13:29 | 2 |
| Running the car up to temperature every fortnight will be fine - but
watch for a discharded battery !
|
50.157 | | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Fri Mar 22 1991 17:01 | 5 |
50.158 | New catalytic convertor | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | Mullet Head! | Tue Apr 30 1991 21:13 | 10 |
| My 911SC stopped running the other day. It was wierd, it ran very
rough and wheezed.
Took it to the shop. It was a bad catalytic convertor. The mechanic
put a new one on. The car runs great now. It even has a
significant increase in horsepower.
Apparently, the degradation in power occurred slowly over a long period
of time.
|
50.159 | | NCEIS1::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995 | Thu May 02 1991 13:24 | 6 |
| The catalytic stuff is a feedback loop between the exhaust (lmabda
probe) and the fuel injection system. When the probe breaks ... you
have all chances to be left with a leaner and leaner mixture. Which
explains the very rough engine. Note that a lean mixture does no good
to the pistons and valves. Did you notice an engine oil temperature
higher than normal ?
|
50.160 | (((((( | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | Mullet Head! | Sun May 05 1991 18:18 | 12 |
| I did not notice a higher than normal engine oil temperature.
I noticed I had a problem when the engine ceased to run properly.
Inside the convertor, the catalyst material was in chunks. With the
new convertor in place, I notice a 20-30% difference in the performance
of the vehicle.
The shop, AutoAuthority, sold me a used convertor for $300.00. US. It
came from later model Porsche which was converted to a race car.
Charles *8^)
|
50.161 | | RUTILE::BISHOP | If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards! | Mon Mar 23 1992 11:39 | 21 |
| I picked up mine on Thursday. It's a 1985 944 LUX I. Model 94413F
if that means anything to anyone. First impressions are "Wow"! ;-)
It's a very heavy, solid car, accelaeration is not fantastic, but
there again i haven't got really used to the clutch enough to try!
Motorway driving is such a pleasure, and it excells in this. Which
is good, because that is what i bought it for. From 110kph to
200kph is no problem, and makes overtaking a pleasure.
Only problem encountered so far, is the fact that the rear-right
side wheel bearings have/are going. It's going back to the garage
today. Oh yea, the AC doesn't work either. No real pain yet, but
in the summer...
Overall i'm chuffed. All these planned long-trips are starting to
look attractive now.
Cheers,
Lewis.
|
50.162 | Good job. | DPDMAI::WOODWARD | At mach2 with my hair afire. | Wed May 13 1992 01:24 | 1 |
| Very good Lewis! Way to go.
|
50.163 | 911 E (BG) | MLN08::SANTAMARIA | | Mon Aug 03 1992 14:33 | 17 |
| I recently bought a PORSCHE 911 E 2.2 litres, year 1970.
I am currently investigating the level of restoration it should be done
and of course the spare parts procurement is very critical, especially
in Italy.
I know that there should be a SPAREPARTS CATALOGUE, with prices,
available in UK or in US.
For example, I am looking for SAFETY BELTS and SHOCK ABSORBERS.
Is anybody aware of such a listing ?
Thanks
|
50.164 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Mon Aug 03 1992 16:49 | 15 |
50.165 | Maybe some help ... | NSDC::KENNEDY_C | It don't mean nothing ... | Tue Aug 04 1992 23:44 | 14 |
|
Think I've mentioned this before but ....
There is an American magazine available, called Excellence, devoted to
Porsche, which has many parts advertisements. There are also two other
magazines, namely the British 911 quarterly, and I've also seen a
French magazine called Flat 6.
I would recommend Excellence, and most advertisers supply Europe.
There is another American magazine with a name something like VW & Audi
which runs Porsche articles quite regularly.
I usually pick up my copies of these magazines at the Airport .....
|
50.166 | | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Wed Aug 05 1992 12:49 | 13 |
| Colin,
Whatever magazine you read, Porsche spare parts remain expensive and
sometimes difficult to find. The best thing to do is find the garages
that do (or did) prepare rally Porsches. These guys usually have loads
of spares.
I know a german guy called Jurgen Brecht, who lives near Dijon
(Salmaise). He is very well connected to a number of german garages and
to the factory. He has the whole catalog of spares available at
reasonable prices.
I can find his full address and phone number if you're interested.
|
50.167 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Wed Aug 05 1992 14:46 | 8 |
|
Handy tip.
The best way I find to save money on Porsche spares is not to buy
a Porsche. I find that by doing this I have managed to save thousands
of pounds on repairs et cetera.
JN.
|
50.168 | It MUST be time for more Porsche Chat .. | CHEFS::COLEMANM | | Thu Feb 18 1993 16:26 | 27 |
| I'm bored checking '50' and finding no new Porsche talk, so maybe this
will start some off. I've noticed an apparent increase in the Reading
Porsche population, judging by DECPark's Car Park ..... at least four
or five 944's, two 924's besides my own and the two beautiful 968's
that have appeared recently.
It seems like the ideal time to buy at present, with quite a few used
cars offering amazing value for money by the standards of recent years.
I've had my 924 for about 18 months (a 36K miles (when bought) '82) and
have enjoyed just about very moment of owning it ever since. It's
build quality is fantastic and I find it very involving to drive - it
makes every journey interesting. It is so much more practical than any
sports car I have owned and gives every indication of lasting forever
if well maintained.
I've been lucky to find Russell Lewis at RSR Engineering in Bagshot,
who has previously won the 'Porsche Technician of the Year' several
times and worked with Derek Bell in Porsche teams in the past. He is
very friendly and helpful and incredibly knowledgeable and best of all,
he doesn't turn his nose up at 924's .... better than that, he has one
himself and is full of praise for the car's handling, safety and VALUE.
My 2 cents worth
Mark
|
50.169 | Yum-Yum ! | SIOG::KANE | The clot, thickens... | Thu Feb 18 1993 17:32 | 4 |
|
All time Fav' car of-all-time [mate] : Porche 956 Speedster
Mike.
|
50.170 | Apologies for being pedantic | MANWRK::LEACH | | Thu Feb 18 1993 18:03 | 8 |
|
>> All time Fav' car of-all-time [mate] : Porche 956 Speedster
^^^
Shouldn't that be 356 ?
Shaun.
|
50.171 | Yawn, very exiting ! | MANWRK::LEACH | | Thu Feb 18 1993 18:06 | 6 |
|
I will enter my '30,000 miles with BRPY' soon (when I have finished it)
which should be enough to bore you all on Porsches for another year or
so ;^)
Shaun.
|
50.172 | addendum: although I used to think it was called a 356 | SIOG::KANE | The clot, thickens... | Thu Feb 18 1993 18:19 | 2 |
|
No; it shouldn't.
|
50.173 | | ESBS01::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Thu Feb 18 1993 19:02 | 9 |
50.174 | Where's me bib | SIOG::KANE | The clot, thickens... | Thu Feb 18 1993 19:08 | 5 |
|
Did you clock the detailing inside ?. Those air vents/fans on the
transmission tunnel, aft of the hand-brake, are exquisite.
M.
|
50.175 | Don't you just hate picky noters ? | MANWRK::LEACH | | Thu Feb 18 1993 19:39 | 24 |
| >> On the subject of this marque (not my favourite, but not to be ignored)
>> any comments on the 'Boxster' ? An entry-level Porsche, with styling
>> not unlike the old Speedster (also not based on another marque).
^^^^^^^^^
Once again, shouldn't this be Spyder (ala Jimmy Dean) ?
I think it looks fantastic. The interior reminded me of the TreVoR
Griffith (but perhaps that was just the colour !). I was also very
impressed with the price, but as that was for the 4 pot engine, I think
I would be tempted to pay more (30k ?) for the V6 (water cooled)
version.
Shaun.
P.S.
Yes, BuRPY is still alive and well (and apparently better than last
year if the M.O.T. test was anything to go by).
I did get your mail on Tuesday (I've been in sunny Preston by the sea !)
and I didn't get a place (vastly over subscibed so it seems :^( ). I
shall just have to wait and see what my Birthday brings again.
|
50.176 | living my whole life under a misaprehension | MANWRK::LEACH | | Thu Feb 18 1993 19:42 | 8 |
| >> -< addendum: although I used to think it was called a 356 >-
>>
>> No; it shouldn't.
What did you find out to alter your beliefs, and from where ?
Shaun_the_curious
|
50.177 | | SIOG::KANE | The clot, thickens... | Thu Feb 18 1993 19:57 | 16 |
50.178 | Reckon the new one's any safer ? | ESBS01::RUTTER | Rut The Nut | Thu Feb 18 1993 20:20 | 8 |
50.179 | | MANWRK::LEACH | | Thu Feb 18 1993 20:33 | 9 |
| >> -< Reckon the new one's any safer ? >-
Only if you put your lights on when driving along the opposite
carriageway in the dark.
I think that was a '550 Spyder' he drove (but then again I'm not
*always* right :^)
Shaun.
|
50.180 | speedster and spyder | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Fri Feb 19 1993 11:42 | 9 |
50.181 | 30,000 miles with BRPY | MANWRK::LEACH | | Mon Feb 22 1993 12:44 | 45 |
| One of my childhood dreams was to own a Porsche 911. A little over a year ago
I was in a position where I could fulfil that dream in the shape of BRPY.
BRPY is a 1985 911 Carrera (B399 RPY). I took charge of it in August 1991 with
32,018 miles on the clock and between then and now have increased that figure to
67,800 miles. During that time, the only maintenance costs have been for
services every 12,000 miles, 1 clutch, 2 sets of rear tyres and 1 set of front
tyres (did I say ONLY ? :^). As BRPY came with a full Porsche service history I
continued to get it serviced by the local Porsche dealer which has cost on
average #500.00 per visit. I know I could have had it serviced cheaper but with
the amount of miles I do I feel happier having it checked over thouroughly every
12,000 miles.
BRPY was shod with Pirelli P600's when I first had it which I found to be
*extremely* dangerous. Within the first few weeks of ownership, negotiating
roundabouts in anything other than bone dry weather was like driving on ice !
After fitting Yokohama's all round, I have only had one incident of losing the
back end (it did cost me a new Alloy though :^( ).
It was only the Porsches relatively economical running costs (for a car with 230
bhp !) that convinced me that I could afford to run the car. With services
every 12,000 miles, an average of 27 mpg (worst = 23, best = 31 !) and notorious
reliabilty (200,000 miles normal for engine) I was easily convinced ;^).
The first few weeks of ownership were taken up with blasting off from every
junction, traffic light etc. just to feel the acceleration and hear the engine
screaming ! I didn't even turn the radio on for 2 months :^)
This phase does, however, pass and I now drive the car slower than I used to
drive my Rover (214 SLi). Even when not screaming around the car is extremely
competent, quite happily plodding around at 30-40 mph. It is very comfortable
to drive and doens't leave you feeling like a physical wreck after long
journeys. The only time it becomes wearing at all is sitting in long traffic
jams, having to continually engage and disengage a fairly heavy clutch (I can
now be identified as the person with the leg like Arnie's :^).
I have had a number of close escapes since buying the car, which never happen
when driving the Rover. I don't know why, but there seems to be a *lot* more
people who pull out on me, cut me up in traffic, accelerate as I start
overtaking, stick their fingers up as they overtake, or while I'm overtaking,
not notice me braking etc. I am, however, determined not to be intimidated by
these petty minded neanderthals, and will continue to enjoy driving BRPY.
Shaun.
|
50.182 | Very nice car though | UFHIS::GVIPOND | This space for rent - phone 7865 1432 | Mon Feb 22 1993 19:32 | 14 |
50.183 | Once a Porche driver, always a... | CHEFS::MARCHR | | Wed Feb 24 1993 16:25 | 10 |
| REF -1
In which case is it possible/cost effective to buy a Porche in Germany
and import into the UK and have converted to RHD?
I used to own an '87 911 Carrera and would love to get a newer Carrera
2. I was told the old 911 is like a "go-kart" compared to the much
better Carrera 2. Anyone any first hand knowledge?
Rupert
|
50.184 | | UFHIS::GVIPOND | This space for rent - phone 7865 1432 | Wed Feb 24 1993 20:16 | 14 |
50.185 | | SAC::BETTS_W | TCC/S, UCG, DTN 781 1848 | Wed Mar 03 1993 11:43 | 29 |
50.186 | | MILE::JENKINS | Suitably refreshed | Wed Mar 03 1993 20:27 | 5 |
50.187 | It's only money.... | CHEFS::MARCHR | | Wed Mar 03 1993 21:20 | 7 |
50.188 | those were the days | ULYSSE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Tue Mar 09 1993 13:08 | 7 |
| My only concern with the new Carreras:
- the C2 (RWD) weighs 1350kg
- the C4 (4WD) ------ 1450kg
The good old 2.7 Carrera weighed around 1000kg. Race versions were all
under 1ton.
|
50.189 | Fun cars for summer | ESBS01::WATSON | STICK 1: A boomerang that doesn't work | Tue Mar 09 1993 17:41 | 6 |
| If you really are that bothered about weight (and hence pwr/weight)
then you could always buy one of the C2 specials (Not the ``new''
RS/CS). These were built by Porsche for ``their friends''. Its
basically a C2 cutdown in much the same was as the Turbo-S (Glassfiber
bodywork (?), no A/S, nothing much electric, fixed rear wing,
easily removable cat ...)
|
50.190 | | SAC::BETTS_W | TCC/S, UCG, DTN 781 1848 | Tue Mar 09 1993 18:03 | 9 |
|
Porsche do gain weight as they develop - a 911 Club Sport (light weight
Carrera) is heavier than an SC; the 968 Club Sport is heavier than a
944S2. I don't know how the 911 RSL weighs in, but they really went to
town with that car; even down to omitting the underseal and using a thin
aluminium bonnet (every new one I've seen has shown the finger marks of
ham fisted salesmen).
William.
|
50.191 | more good news from Weissach | RUTILE::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @VBE, DTN 828-5584 | Wed Mar 10 1993 12:45 | 16 |
| Porsche have developped 2 cars for all sorts of national sports cars
championships and for the newly created GT championship.
911: not sure about the real final name, somethingh like 3.8 Turbo RS
The car has been tested for a full month at Paul Ricard by Walter Rohrl
himself. Factory will enter one car in the GT category at Le Mans 24h
for Rohrl, Haywood and 3rd driver whose name escapes. 100 cars will be
produced for customers (racing teams).
968 Turbo S and 968 Turbo RS. 968 Turbo S is a road going turbo charged
968 (much like the follower of the 944 Turbo series). The 3 litre
engine produces 305bhp peak and a lot of torque. The 968 RS is the
racing version with minimum peak power around 340bhp.
This sounds like Porsche have finally corrected their strategy and will
be back to the basics: racing.
|
50.192 | Is this an opportunity? | KERNEL::BAYLISD | Filth Daemon from Hell | Mon May 10 1993 12:45 | 30 |
| Tell me what you think of the following:
I have an opportunity to be involved with the purchase of a 928S.
The chap wants to get rid of it 'cos his (ex)business partner did a
runner with a load of dosh, resulting in his business going bust!. The
only problem is that it hasn't been driven in 18 months. The reason for
this being that the auto gearbox is in bits around the garage!.
Bodywork wise, the car is fine. The interior is damp and mouldy,
but it's full leather and would probably clean up a treat. The engine
has done 103,000 miles and was running fine when it was last driven.
The wheels and tyres look good and that's about as much as I know, (I
haven't seen the car yet, but will do so soon!).
The car is probably dated around 1980-81. The present owner is
awaiting the return of the log book from the DVLC, so until he gets
this we don't know it's exact date of registration. It also has
personalised plates, but these look odd, i.e. 2 numbers and 5 letters.
The chap wants to get rid of it and so is prepared to let it go
cheap!. We're thinking of buying, restoring it, and then selling it.
The problem is, we don't know how much one of these things will go for,
especially bearing in mind there's no service history with the car.
Any comments?. Should I say 'Thanks, but no thanks' or is it worth
a look?. And if I do have a look, what should I look out for?.
Dave.
|
50.193 | | CHEFS::MARCHR | | Mon May 10 1993 22:54 | 5 |
| I don't know much about 928s', but I would have thought only the rarer
911s' are worth restoring. There are loads of 928s' kicking around for
10-20K pounds.
Rupert
|
50.194 | | NEWOA::CROME_A | | Tue May 11 1993 14:48 | 7 |
| Take a look at the AUTO TRADER, I think you'll find yo can pick up a high
mileage 928 for about 1500 quid from that era. I'm no expert but unless he is
nearly giving it away I wouldn't bother.
On the other hand if you fancy a stab at fixing an AUTO box good luck !
Andy
|
50.195 | it all depends on the price | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Tue May 11 1993 17:32 | 11 |
50.196 | When ARE you going to but a Porsche ?!? | CHEFS::COLEMANM | | Tue Sep 07 1993 17:37 | 11 |
|
Sadly my 924 is being sold due to the arrivel of a Merc estate for my
wife, so if you're into Porsches, need a robust, reliable
almost-like-new car that can be used regularly without mega servicing
costs, parts costs, insurance costs etc etc .... read note 4.714
Value for money Porsche fun !!!!
Mark
|
50.197 | help ! | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Tue Oct 05 1993 14:47 | 11 |
| Just found this in VNS
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
15. Porsche and IBM form joint venture
Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, will bring its computing centre
into a common company with IBM Deutschland Systeme und Netze GmbH from
October 1.
Handelsblatt. German. 1993-09-23. Size: 1 c
|
50.198 | 944S - TYRE SUGGESTIONS PLEASE | CHEFS::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Fri Dec 10 1993 17:36 | 6 |
| Any 944 owners out there with some tyre recommendations. I have an 87
944S with 215 60VR15 Dunlop D40's which are getting close to the
minimum and are extremely slippery in the wet.
Suggestions please.
John
|
50.199 | In no particular order | ESBS01::WATSON | Arm yourself bomb | Fri Dec 10 1993 19:21 | 5 |
| Yoko 008P
Pirelli Pzero
Dunlop Performa P8000
Rik
|
50.200 | | OASS::STDBKR::Burden_d | Synchromesh gearboxes are for wimps | Fri Dec 10 1993 19:57 | 4 |
| Depending on how you drive, the Pirelli P600s might be better for you than
the Pzeros. They work very well in the wet.
Dave
|
50.201 | and the D4000 ? | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Sat Dec 11 1993 11:37 | 8 |
50.202 | | 45363::WATSON | Arm yourself bomb | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:10 | 5 |
| I read .198 to imply that his D40's were getting low on tread and hence
a bit more fun in the wet - not that the D40's were too slippy to start
with.
Rik
|
50.203 | D40's at Micheldever | 42443::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:41 | 7 |
50.204 | Boxsterfor the road ? | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Tue Dec 14 1993 17:41 | 5 |
| I've read somewhere that Porsche and BMW will jointly produce a road
going version of the Boxster (you know, the beautiful 2 seater that
Porsche have shown at various auto shows).
Anyone can confirm this ?
|
50.205 | | UFHIS::GVIPOND | | Tue Dec 14 1993 19:12 | 5 |
|
Any idea of the price ? will it be a limited run as was the Z1.
wouldn't mind one.
|
50.206 | Too may 9's | ESBS01::WATSON | Arm yourself bomb | Tue Dec 14 1993 20:30 | 12 |
50.207 | | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Wed Dec 15 1993 11:29 | 10 |
50.208 | P-Zeros Ok in wet | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Amused to Death | Fri Dec 17 1993 12:39 | 10 |
| re a few back on tyres (sorry, I was asleep).
P-Zeros work extremely well in the wet. Far better than anything else I
tried, and certainly the only tyre that made it safe for me to overtake
quickly in the wet without fear of 'fishtailing' and side-swiping the
vehicle I was overtaking.
Don't be fooled by the tread pattern, they are very soft rubber.
Rob
|
50.209 | 928 purchase | WELCLU::KILLORANS | | Fri Apr 15 1994 23:58 | 8 |
| Hi,
I'm a bit new to this notes game, but here goes. I've got a 911 Carrera
Sport (84), Ray Northway has always looked after it since I purchased
it. He would, I am sure offer his advice as to the worth of the 928. You
can contact him on 0831 424911 or at his workshop on 0734 714333
Regards
Steve
|
50.210 | POOR RADIO RECEPTION | CHEFS::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Fri May 27 1994 16:10 | 6 |
| Anyone had problems with radio reception from the front windscreen type
aerial? I have an '87 944S with a good Panasonic stereo but appalling
radio reception. Should I be looking for a bad connection or is it a
known problem (and is there a fix)
Rgds John
|
50.211 | on a 91 cabrio | MOEUR7::VIPOND | | Fri May 27 1994 17:55 | 4 |
|
I had no problems whatsoever with mine so its proberbly not a known
problem.
|
50.212 | Porsche Owners Club | WELCLU::KILLORANS | | Wed Jun 01 1994 21:12 | 12 |
| As drivers of what is possibly the best sports cars available, are you
aware that the Thames Valley Region of the Porsche Owners club meets on
the 1st Wednesday of the month at Kirton's Country club.
It seems that there are a few of us Porker owners still around in
Digital, so why don't we make a go of it and meet at Kirton's on
Wednesday 6th July ?
Who's game on ?
Regards
Steve K
|
50.213 | Sure - how about a "dry" run? | CHEFS::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Thu Jun 02 1994 16:01 | 6 |
| I'll try and make it....
John Gray ('87 944S, POC member but not attended a meeting yet)
PS maybe we should have a "dry" run at the Old Bell to introduce
ourselves!
|
50.214 | Southern dealers? 928 ? | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:19 | 24 |
| Where is the nearest Porsche dealer to SBP ? I have tried yellow pages,
talking pages, dir 50.* /tit=dealer, all to no avail ?
I am in the market for a 928, but I want to seek some advice, and I
want to know how far afield I have to go for servicing.
A previous note asking for advice on 928s seems to have had its replies
set hidden, so apologies for me asking again :-
1990ish 928S4 Auto with 50kish on the clock - anything to watch out
for? One I have looked at has the laquer flaking off below the
passengers door sill and around the wheel arches. The dealer says this will
be put right, but is it an indication of more trouble to come ?
I haven't found one with a *full* service history - is that a major
problem if I get a warranty and get it in to a Porsche dealer for a
full service ?
Any other info would be most welcome.
Thanks,
Rob
|
50.215 | Southern Porsche dealers | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:08 | 7 |
| To answer some of my own question, it finally dawned on me to call
Prosche, and in case any one else ever want to look it up:
Chapel Gate, Wimborne 0202 897688
AFN, Guildford 0483-60666
Rob
|
50.216 | | NEWOA::GIDDINGS_D | The third world starts here | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:12 | 9 |
| Servicing by Porsche dealers costs 2 arms and a leg in the UK. Check out the
costs before you buy. The paintwork doesn't normally flake off. Dodgy repair
perhaps?
I wouldn't go near a Porsche without being certain of its history.
Finally, there are dealers in Guildford, Reading, Hove and Bournemouth.
Dave
|
50.217 | more 928 Qs | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:48 | 12 |
| The paint on the one I looked at seems ok, it is just the laquer. My
guess is that some stone chips have punctured the laquer which has got
water behind it.
AFN have one same age, same mileage, FSH, but asking 3k more.
I have been told that the engine is virtually unbustable, but what
about the gearbox - is the Automatic ok ? Patrick mentioned in an
earlier note that it isn't Porsche, but Mercedes, maybe that is no bad
thing ?
Rob
|
50.218 | Get a Black one !! drool drool. | MOEUR8::VIPOND | | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:04 | 13 |
|
Servicing anywhere cost 2 arms etc, If your looking for a 90's model I
would have thought the actual purchase price would have dissuaded any 'boy
racers' who cant afford to run them properly from being the previous
owner. However if something does go wrong its going to be expensive, so
its worth the extra to have a full service history, if its from a Porsche
garage its also more likely that the previous owner looked after it
better. If your going to buy one though its no good thinking that once
you've paid for it you stop paying, thats only the start, if you accept
this you'll not be disappointed.
|
50.219 | Not too bad.. | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 16:50 | 9 |
50.220 | Obviously 10K is a bit below your price range. :-) | PETRUS::GUEST_N | An innocent passer-by | Mon Jun 27 1994 16:55 | 11 |
| Bloody Hell. They must be cheap ! :-)
N.
There was an article in Car last year, comparing what porsches you get
for 10K. A 924, 911 or 928. It went into servicing,reliability and
the rest(how fast from a to B), and it worked out that value for money
wise the 928 won hands down.
|
50.221 | :-) | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 21:03 | 5 |
50.222 | I maintain: the ultimate car | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Mon Jun 27 1994 21:33 | 20 |
50.223 | | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jun 27 1994 22:42 | 12 |
| Thanks, Patrick.
Yes, AFN gave me a breakdown on what they were spending to get their
928 up to scratch, and it was mostly tyres and disk pads, and a couple
of small oil leaks.
Interestingly they told me to watch out for cars with just over 50k on
the clock, as the owners tend to get faced with a big bill at the 48k
service, and bottle out and sell the car. Then the new owner gets hit
with the bill soon after they buy it.
Rob
|
50.224 | Looking for that 928 | WELCLU::KILLORANS | | Tue Jun 28 1994 17:41 | 13 |
| A good source of information for Porsche are the following;
Porsche Club GB on 0451 860792 (A must for reduction in insurance
premiums).
911 & Porsche world magazine out every two months. July/August just
out.
If you are looking to buy other than from an Official Porsche Centre I
would strongly recommend that you get the car checked out first. You
will see from 911 & Porsche world mag that a large network of ex
Porsche specialists exist. One such guy is Ray Northway on 0734 714333
I guess a little out of your way in Reading !
Happy hunting, but remember your licence is always at risk when driving
a Porsche !!!!!!!
|
50.225 | | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Tue Jun 28 1994 19:41 | 10 |
50.226 | | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Tue Jun 28 1994 19:55 | 1 |
50.227 | Porsche Insurance | WELCLU::KILLORANS | | Tue Jun 28 1994 21:34 | 14 |
| Two more insurance co's.
Verral & Co 021 355 8933 you will need PCGB Membership for club
discount.
Also Peart Associates 0539 730666.
It's worth joining the club before purchase as monthly you will receive
the Trading Post with Cars etc advertised, plus quartly the Porsche
Post mag.
In case you are wondering I'm not on Commission for new members.
Regards,
Steve Killoran
|
50.228 | | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Tue Jun 28 1994 22:11 | 9 |
| Hi Steve,
Yes, I did join. (I'll have to buy one now ;-)).
The number they gave me was 021-355-0325 though.
I said I was from the club, but they didn't ask for my number, and
quoted me the standard price. I shall try the other numbers tomorrow.
Thanks,
Rob
|
50.229 | RS engineering @ Bagshot | JURA::BULLOWS | | Wed Jun 29 1994 13:15 | 8 |
| Hello
I have used RS enginneering at Bagshot. What they don't know about
Porsche isn't worth knowing.
They would give you a good assessment for a fair price, but don't rely
on their punctuality.
Cheers Nick
|
50.230 | Done it | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Wed Jun 29 1994 20:32 | 7 |
| The deed is done.
After all the advice I received, I decided that buying from AFN with a
full service history and a full Porsche warranty was the best bet.
I take delivery of G719CLC, a Slate Grey 928 S4 a week on Friday.
Now, how do I concentrate on work in the meantime :-|.
Rob
|
50.231 | Cost ? | OVAL::CARSON | Don't leave earth without one | Thu Jun 30 1994 00:53 | 3 |
| Rob - How much did you pay for it? I've always fancied the 928.
paul
|
50.232 | | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Thu Jun 30 1994 13:00 | 12 |
50.233 | Nice car, Lucky @$# | MOEUR8::VIPOND | | Thu Jun 30 1994 13:38 | 8 |
|
Re Garage Doors, When you first drive it home I think you'll find that
the roads have suddenly shrunk and it'll take you at least an hour to
get it in the garage, you'll need help from the wife who will have to
stand between the car and the end of the garage in order not to damage
the car (oh and maybe the wife).
|
50.234 | anyone want 2 tons of scrap car ad mags? | FUTURS::BRODIE | it's hard to be brave when you're only a very small animal | Thu Jun 30 1994 13:49 | 8 |
| Hang on, I don't remember this being part of the deal.
Since Rob has already managed to scrape my Calibra on bits of the
garage twice I think the roles might have to be reversed in this case.
Now where's that blindfold got to?
Cheers,
Diane
|
50.235 | A KWIK point on exhausts! | FAILTE::BURNETTD | DAVE BURNETT | Tue Jul 05 1994 16:15 | 13 |
| Just a wee pointer for future replacement of exhausts.. When I replaced
the exhaust on our Pug 505 estate I was quoted about 275 squids for the
full thing from kwik-fit. However the man said that if I bought a
"Lifetime Gaurantee" for 25 quid, that would cover EVERYTHING that
could go wrong with it.... even rust.. driver damage etc.. etc...
So far, we have had one and a half new exhasts out of kwik-fit for
nothing!! Best 25 quid I ever spent on a car!!
Definitely worth it for the expensive ones!
Dave
|
50.236 | :-) | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Thu Jul 07 1994 20:18 | 3 |
| 1 long lunch later, all I can say is :-).
Rob
|
50.237 | A very nice car | ESBS01::WATSON | Entropy: chaos at it's best | Mon Jul 11 1994 17:00 | 3 |
| 1 longish lunch latter, I agree.
Rik
|
50.238 | | OVAL::CARSON | Don't leave earth without one | Tue Jul 12 1994 04:09 | 2 |
| Err... can I have a long lunch too?
-paul-
|
50.239 | Lunch queue | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Tue Jul 12 1994 13:53 | 3 |
| Any time.
Rob
|
50.240 | 968 jam sandwich | PASTIT::STUBBS | | Mon Jul 25 1994 13:28 | 5 |
|
I understand that the motorway police now have a 968 in their fleet.
Jonathan
|
50.241 | Tis true | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Mon Jul 25 1994 22:55 | 5 |
| There was a note in Porsche post to the effect that the Met have bought
a 968. I can't temember the details, but it didn't give the impression
that it was for motorway work.
Rob
|
50.242 | Its behind you | SEDSWS::BARRETT | Imagine being without a Train | Tue Jul 26 1994 16:18 | 6 |
|
I spied said car on the M25 going through the roadworks near the A3
on friday.It had the stripes down the side but cant remember if it
had lights on the roof.
Malcolm
|
50.243 | Porsche update | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Tue Aug 16 1994 22:25 | 98 |
50.244 | :-) | ESBS01::WATSON | Entropy: chaos at its best | Tue Aug 16 1994 22:34 | 4 |
| Rob,
You forgot to mention what Diane's hourly rate is.
Rik
|
50.245 | | OVAL::CARSON | Don't leave earth without one | Wed Aug 17 1994 01:18 | 10 |
| ...Sad but true I get the same level of service from Nissan delaer
Davenport Vernon - however when paying Porsche prices one does expect a
high quality of customer care.
My 300zx goes in for it's 18,000 miles service next week so I guess
I'll be getting mt dose soon. Any chance they'll give me a comparable
curtesy car? Probably not ;-)
-paul-
|
50.246 | Perhaps the Bus is the for the best.... | PETRUS::GUEST_N | An innocent passer-by | Wed Aug 17 1994 12:21 | 13 |
|
THAT'S why you got married rob :-)
This doesn't sound like good summer for buying a car :-(
Good to see they are going to pay for it all. Bet the bill would make
interesting reading !
Nigel
|
50.247 | | NEWOA::GIDDINGS_D | The third world starts here | Wed Aug 17 1994 13:22 | 11 |
| Think yourself lucky you weren't paying for the work. UK prices for Porsche
servicing are extortionate. When I was working in Antwerp, I used the main
VAG/Porsche dealer. The work was excellent and cost (for a 924) about 10% more
than for a Golf. On returning to the UK, I actually considered having the car
serviced in Belgium. The price difference would have more than paid for the
ferry.
The attitude in the UK towards servicing upmarket cars seems to be that the
more the customer is charged, the more he likes it.
Dave
|
50.248 | Anyone for a spin in a 968? | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without a Newt | Wed Aug 17 1994 14:57 | 11 |
50.249 | | ESSB::SGREEN | | Wed Aug 17 1994 15:49 | 3 |
|
How many miles has your porsche done ?
|
50.250 | TTFN | FUTURS::LONGWY::LEWIS | Imagine being without your 928 | Wed Aug 17 1994 17:50 | 10 |
| Hi,
It had done 51k8 when I bought it. Now showing 53k4.
The 968 is outside. I am off for lunch.
Had a bit of a panic when my insurance company nearly refused to cover
it though!
Rob
|
50.251 | Porsche 911 | VESSA::MICHAELSONJ | Utopia - a place without humans | Wed Dec 21 1994 12:39 | 12 |
|
I am interested in buying a 1970's Porsche 911. I'm not sure of the model
changes through this decade, but would appreciate some help on 2 fronts.
Firstly, does anyone have any information on what the model changes were.
Secondly, I have been told that it is always best to buy from a main dealer.
Therefore can you help with dealers/contacts and telephone numbers round the
country, that could get me going on the right track.
Thanks, Jonathan.
|
50.252 | 911 | JANSKI::JOCONNOR | Somebody else did it and ran away. | Wed Dec 21 1994 12:50 | 17 |
| You may get more replies by joining the porsche mailing list.
Send your request to: porschephiles-request@tta.com there are
lots of people there who can advise on what to buy and where.
Also, there a couple of books that you should look at.
The first is by Paul Frere and is called something like:
"The 911 story"
The second is a huge (2 large volumes) detailed catalogue
of all of the company's products. I cannot remember the
author and I have only ever seen it in German bookshops
but it is very detailed and will tell you exactly what is
available.
John O'C
|
50.253 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Wed Dec 21 1994 12:59 | 12 |
| Re 911
Check out note 22 in IOSG::AIR_COOLED
There is a lot of good info there.
If you get one and don't knock up too many miles be sure
to get low mileage 'classic' insurance as it will be a lot cheaper.
Keep us informed of your progress.
Royston
|
50.254 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | Vorsprung Durch Mahlzeit | Wed Dec 21 1994 13:19 | 19 |
|
Re 911
I won't pretend to be a Porsche expert, but I'd doubt that main dealers
are neccesarily the best place to buy a car of 70s vintage. I doubt
that many end up with main dealers or if they do, it's probably through
a third party. In fact is probably the case that unless the car is an
_exceptionally_ good example that a main dealer wouldn't want such an
old car cluttering up their showroom anyway!
If you were looking for a mid-late 80's car the case would probably be
different.
Assuming you're in the UK, the Classic car press will be full of people
who deal in 'classic' Porsches (after all, they're ten a penny! :^)).If
you're elsewhere (US/Europe) there are similar publications.
Mark
|
50.255 | try speaking to these folks | LARVAE::BULLOWSN | Be proud of your bar code | Wed Dec 21 1994 14:25 | 10 |
| There are 2 specialist I know of, both I would recommend
Francis Tuthill - 0295 750514
He imports, restores, repairs, and races vintage Porsches.
Russel @ RSR -0276 453333
Very good porsche specialist, don't talk to him for too long because
I'm waiting for him to finish a job for me :-)
Cheers Nick
|
50.256 | | VESSA::MICHAELSONJ | Utopia - a place without humans | Wed Dec 21 1994 14:30 | 21 |
| Thanks for the info so far.
I considered signing up to the porschephiles, but the traffic through
the mailing list is meant to be massive, and I have had problems being
flooded in the past with the Vintage VW list.
Thanks for the pointer to the note in air_cooled, it's a starting
point.
I have to agree with the last reply about porsche main dealers, but I
am extremely wary of diving into the Classic Car classifieds. I'm not
too sure on the best course of action. I don't want to be stung, and
left with a wreck - I've lived and learnt that lesson when I got my
Beetle!
Maybe if I got in touch an owners club. Does anyone have information or
ideas on this, or possibly a reputable Classic car dealership.
BTW, yes I am in the UK, in sunny Newbury for my sins.
Jonathan
|
50.258 | Galvanized Metal? | ASABET::JROGERS | | Wed Dec 21 1994 15:02 | 6 |
| Something I've always heard is to be more careful of cars which don't
have the galvanized metal in the rear subframe. I'm not sure if this
story is true. I seem to recall that 1976 was the year the 911
received this treatment.
Jeff
|
50.257 | some inputs | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Wed Dec 21 1994 15:32 | 39 |
| You may want to look at the books in the first place. The Paul Frere
911 is THE reference. It has model numbers, part numbers, production
figures, etc...
Then you may want to look at the car mags and the Porsche adds. You may
want to look at Porsche clubs as well.
FYI: there are a few things you have to know about the 70's Porsches
- the most interesting models are:
Carrera 2.7 (rare and expensive, the best)
2.4S (good sound base for the 2.7 Carrera above)
2.2S (still good)
Carrera 3.0 (still good)
- If you have to choose between the coupe and the targa, pick the coupe.
It's lighter and more solid.
- in 1975 (fall) Porsche switched to galvanized steel. Prior to that
the 911s rust just like any other car. Then you have to watch for
rust under the body, the wings and all important places like where
the torsion bars fit. A complete body rebuild is an expensive job
- many engine parts are interchangeable, so watch for a perfect match.
It is not unusual to find cars with a complete mix of parts. I saw a
2.7 Carrera engine with 1 camshaft from a 3.0 US model ! It works,
but not if you want to get the most out of it (like every 911 driver
does ...)
- you can always get more out of your 911. By changing the camshafts
and the ignition you'll get more horsepower. You can find specialists
who will make your 911 a real racer. A 2.8 RS or RSR does not cost much
and the result is impressive.
- best price/performance ratio ? I would look for an original 2.4S
- worst model in the 70's ? the 930 (3.0 Turbo), it's heavy and really
NOT nice to drive except perhaps on motorways.
|
50.259 | 3.0 Turbo are not so bad... | MOEUR7::BRAUER | E pur si muove | Wed Dec 21 1994 16:23 | 20 |
| Hi patrick,
It may be because I got one of these that I disagree totally with
your feeling about the 3.0 Turbo.
It's not heavy, it's even the lightest Turbo model (1240Kg -
compared to the about 1500kg of the latest)
I owned a 2,4S before and can say that this was a difficult car to
drive, I find the Turbo far more safe (did you ever drive one?)
And it is reliable, I've bought it 10 years ago, and never broke
anything, it has just been tuned once in 10 years and still going
strongly (mine is a 76 model).
Accelerating in 2nd gear after 4000 rpm is like riding a Kawasaki
H1...
Anyway, it's honest to recognize that the 911 concept has been improved
year after year, but if we compare 70s Porsches, I think this one
is a very good compromize between cost and fun.
Regards,
Jean-pascal
|
50.260 | Join the Club | CHEFS::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Wed Dec 21 1994 17:12 | 10 |
| "Trading Post" comes with Porsche Club GB's magazine and has a good
selection of used Porsches with reliable history. Worth joining the
club before buying a Porsche.
Northway at Beenham (0734 714333) are good Porsche specialists and a
bit closer than RSR. Both do pre-purchase inspections.
Also try the magazine "911 and Porsche World" - bigger newsagents only.
Rgds John (87 944S)
|
50.261 | 911 from 1970 to 1980 | MOEUR8::BRAUER | E pur si muove | Thu Dec 22 1994 11:02 | 48 |
| RE .251
Jonathan,
I've made a small compilation of 911 models from 1970 to 1980:
Not all models are there (i.e. US,Japan,Targas).
(Source: Paul Frere's book)
Liters Power Weight (kg) Ratio HP/kg
1970 911T 2.2 125 1020 0.12
911E 2.2 155 1020 0.15
911S 2.2 180 1020 0.18
1971 911T 2.4 130 1050 0.12
911E 2.4 165 1050 0.16
911S 2.4 190 1050 0.18
1973 RS 2.7 210 1075 0.20
1974 911 2.7 150 1075 0.14
911S 2.7 175 1075 0.16
Carrera 2.7 210 1075 0.20
1975 911 2.7 150 1075 0.14
911S 2.7 175 1075 0.16
Carrera 2.7 210 1075 0.20
911/3.0 3.0 200 1120 0.18
930/3.0 3.0 260 1140 0.23
1976 911 2.7 165 1075 0.15
911S 2.7 165 1100 0.15
911/3.0 3.0 200 1120 0.18
930/3.0 3.0 260 1140 0.23
1977 911 2.7 165 1120 0.14
911S 2.7 165 1120 0.15
911/3.0 3.0 200 1120 0.18
930/3.0 3.0 260 1195 0.22
1978 911SC 3.0 180 1160 0.16
930/3.3 3.3 300 1300 0.23
1979 911SC 3.0 188 1160 0.16
930/3.3 3.3 300 1300 0.23
1980 911SC 3.0 188 1160 0.16
930/3.3 3.3 300 1295 0.23
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50.262 | How much for a 911SC Targa | ESBS01::WATSON | And so, it begins.... | Thu Dec 22 1994 12:44 | 13 |
50.263 | personal views on the 930 | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Thu Dec 22 1994 13:12 | 25 |
50.264 | | CHEFS::GRAYJT | John T Gray | Thu Dec 22 1994 16:30 | 9 |
50.265 | Never gonna find one like this.... | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | | Wed Jan 04 1995 18:51 | 19 |
50.266 | | WELSWS::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Wed Jan 04 1995 18:58 | 3 |
| .265
And how much buys this dream???
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50.267 | | COMICS::SHELLEY | Always with the -ve waves | Thu Jan 05 1995 15:02 | 5 |
50.268 | | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | Rescue 911 | Tue Jan 24 1995 17:58 | 13 |
| re .-2
This 'dream' is sold for Dfl. 60.000,--, what is about 21,500 pound.
re .-1
According to your interpretation of this list in '73 only the carrera
RS was made. Well, this is absolutely not true.
b.t.w. sorry for the late reaction, i've been on vacation.
Frits.
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50.269 | Wanted, Soft Window. | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | Rescue 911 | Fri Feb 17 1995 14:57 | 22 |
|
Hi,
I'm currently restoring an '68 911 Targa. It was equiped with a hard
(glas) rear window. When I striped the whole body I discovered that it
has originally been a "soft window" Targa. I would like to bring it
back to it's original state, so...
I'm looking for:
A soft window equipment for a SWB Targa (911/912), doesn't have to be
perfect but complete would be nice (also parts are welcome ofcourse).
Anybody who has seen something like that or knows somebody that has it,
please let me know, this kinda stuff is hard to find here in Europe,
most Targa's are sold in the US.
Any info is welcome.
Thanks
Frits.
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50.270 | | UNTADI::SAXBY | Vorsprung Durch Mahlzeit | Fri Feb 17 1995 15:02 | 7 |
|
Frits.
Do you mean the rear 'window' was like a cabriolet hood? I've never
seen a 911 Targa like that, but it seems a good idea!
Mark
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50.271 | SoftWindow Targa's | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | Rescue 911 | Fri Feb 17 1995 18:06 | 17 |
| Yep,
That's the one. The side at the Targa Bar can be release with an zipper
and the window can be folded inside behind the two backseats. And a small
tonneau can be put over it.
The first two years of the Targa ('66 & '67) the targa was only
available with an soft rear window. In modelyear '68 a hard window was
optionally available. For modelyear '69 (when starting with the longer
wheelbase) the softwindow was dropped and only the glass window
available.
They are quit rare.
Frits.
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50.272 | oh yes ! | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Mon Feb 20 1995 21:26 | 8 |
| I remember these things very well. Did not last. The thieves were only
too happy with the soft rear window.
Have you asked your favorite Porsche dealer ? Porsche factory ? Porsche
club ? Porsche specialists ?
Many cars were sold in the US but many were sold in Europe as well, so
there should be spares around.
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50.273 | Hard to find. | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | Rescue 911 | Thu Feb 23 1995 13:11 | 16 |
|
I have asked my Porsche Dealer, and Dutch Porsche Clubs (there are 3
different clubs only for the 911 model!), but nobody has anything of
these stuff.
I have to make some calls to some 'older' Porsche Dealers, I heard a
lot of these Soft Windows are changed to hard windows in the '70's.
There is almost nothing available new from the factory of these parts.
I found out there are only 3 more of these Soft Windows in Holland.
But I keep looking.
Frits.
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50.274 | Those hard to find Bits ! | LARVAE::KILLORAN_S | | Fri Feb 24 1995 17:02 | 11 |
| Hi,
Have you considered trying Porsche cars themselves. Over here in the
UK, Porsche cars GB run a classic section specifically run for the
purpose of getting those hard to obtain parts. AFN Porsche who share
PCGB building can be contacted on 0 734 303911.
Regards,
Steve Killoran
84' Carrera Sport
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50.275 | Porsche Classic GmbH ? | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | Rescue 911 | Mon Feb 27 1995 19:06 | 9 |
|
Hi,
Do you know if this is a section of Porsche Classic GmbH or is this
an own Porsche cars GB company?
Porsche Classic GmbH doesn't have much of these parts.
Frits.
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50.276 | Porsche Classic | LARVAE::KILLORAN_S | | Tue Feb 28 1995 19:44 | 7 |
| Hi,
I belive that Porsche Cars GB run it. Contact Steve Kevlin on 01734
303666. You might also like to try AFN at Isleworth London.
Regards,
Steve
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50.277 | a 917? | CSOA1::LENNIG | Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO | Fri May 05 1995 06:22 | 10 |
| I saw a rather remarkable looking car on the road the other day;
(I was behind and to the right of it at a stop light).
The emblem/label said it was a Porsche 917.
I'm not a car buf, but neither the appearance nor the number was
familiar. Anyone know anything about it?
Curious,
Dave
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50.278 | A real Porsche 917? | UNTADI::SAXBY | Rover Diablo Owner | Fri May 05 1995 11:47 | 22 |
|
On the road?!?!?
The Porsche 917 was a flat 12 sportscar (in the raced at Le Mans sense
of the word) built by Porsche to fill a loophole in the sportscar
racing rules at the end of the 60s. Basically, the rules said you could
use an engine up to 5000cc if the car was a production GT, so Porsche
productionised their race car, but really only as a customer race car.
It was a highly successful car and even made a brief re-appearance in
the early 80s, just before Group C came about, in the form of the
Kremer 917K, which had a revised chassis, but was essentialy still a
917.
However, I've never seen or heard of one on the road, however, I
believe there's a firm in the US who make a (not too accurate)
'replica' as a roadgoing kit-car - PERHAPS, this is what you saw rather
than the real thing. A genuine 917 would be scraping along the road,
the kit version looking like a slimmer version on road wheels.
Mark
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50.279 | Porsche 917 | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Fri May 05 1995 11:48 | 69 |
50.280 | | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Fri May 05 1995 11:48 | 1 |
| Well done Mark, you win by 1 minute !
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50.281 | | CSOA1::LENNIG | Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO | Fri May 05 1995 22:46 | 17 |
| Thanks for the info...
It did have a huge (pardon my terminology) sculptued rear; my initial
reaction was "plenty of downward thrust there"; it did have (US) road
tail-lights, and a normal license plate; now that you mention it, I
remember thinking the doors must open upwards. It was extremely low to
the ground; as the guy went across the intersection (with the normal
tire wear depressions in the asphalt) I thought it was going to scrape.
The engine was deep/throaty, but it was obvious that he wasn't pushing
it at all when he left us behind :-) Can't remember about the tires.
'twas a remarkable sight :-)
(Actually, it was almost as interesting watching the reactions of other
drivers as they went by us at the light as it was looking at the car.)
Dave
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50.282 | | LEMAN::SIMPSON | Stephen Simpson@GEO, DTN:821 5105 | Wed May 10 1995 18:31 | 9 |
| There were a couple of road registered 917s - one in California, and one in the
Channel Islands. So it COULD have been the real article. However, more likely
to have been a replica. Doing an engine rebuild every couple of weeks would be
enough to try anyones' patience!
The Gulf 917s were the featured car in the Steve McQueen film "Le Mans" (a film
with scarcely any recognisable plot, but great shots of Porsches and Ferraris).
-Steve
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50.283 | Le Mans - I have a copy on tape. | UNTADI::SAXBY | Rover Diablo Owner | Wed May 10 1995 18:41 | 4 |
|
Who needs a plot with pictures like that :^)
Mark
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50.284 | Le Mans what fun | LARVAE::KILLORAN_S | | Thu May 11 1995 20:14 | 4 |
| Le Mans a film in which Derek Bell had great fun taking Paul Newman
into a corner rather faster than Newman expected !
Steve
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50.285 | Porsche Concours | LARVAE::KILLORAN_S | | Fri Jun 09 1995 17:47 | 15 |
50.286 | Who needs a zero. | KIRKTN::AMCKAY | Andy Pandy | Fri Jun 09 1995 19:46 | 8 |
| Seen a programme on satelite last week on classic cars and the one that
they were doing was the porsche 911.
One of the snippets was that it was originaly to be called the 901 but
Puegot had the franchise that all their cars middle model number had
a zero in it.They complained to porsche and it was changed to the 911.
The designers were also saying that the latest model is in their
opinion the best and there is not much further that they can go with
it.
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50.287 | aaahh this same old story ... | LEMAN::CHEVAUX | Patrick Chevaux @GEO, DTN 821-4150 | Fri Jun 09 1995 19:51 | 8 |
50.288 | Mmmmetro ? | VESSA::MICHAELSONJ | Out of the blue... | Fri Jun 09 1995 20:20 | 5 |
| Hmmmm,
What about the Rover '100' ???
Jonathan
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50.289 | Nnnno | RIOT01::SUMMERFIELD | Other days, other eyes | Fri Jun 09 1995 20:31 | 12 |
50.290 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | Abertawe Riot Squad Elite | Fri Jun 09 1995 21:06 | 6 |
| There's no middle '0' in the Rover 200, 400 and 800 either, but that's what the
series' are called...
helpfully,
m.
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50.291 | 944 Turbo - what to look for ? | WOTVAX::DREW | Not another marzipan mercenary ! | Sun Oct 22 1995 20:55 | 8 |
|
My friend is thinking of buying a 944 Turbo (think it's an SE)
1987 model. The car looks OK and has a service history. It has
82k on the clock.
Is there anything he should look out for ?
Graham.
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50.292 | where to find out! | 45549::BRODIE | it's hard to be brave when you're only a very small animal | Tue Oct 24 1995 22:08 | 13 |
50.293 | | 48430::VIPOND | | Wed Oct 25 1995 11:48 | 12 |
|
Insurance for one thing, also if he wants to maintain its value he will
also have to keep up the service history, and serviceing these cars are
not cheap. Go into the purchase with the understanding that paying for
it isn't the end of the expense and it'll be a nice car to have.
What year is it and how much os it, I've seen ordainary 944's for under
5k and theres a 90 on a G, Turbo for 9K in the E&M, now thats cheap
motoring.
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50.294 | Porsche club very helpfull | WOTVAX::DREW | Not another marzipan mercenary ! | Thu Oct 26 1995 21:05 | 12 |
50.295 | 928 Club Sport ? | WOTVAX::WATSONR | Lambs... so cute... but so tasty ! | Fri Mar 22 1996 14:42 | 28 |
| A small question for the Porsche anoraks out there.
About two years ago, whilst driving up the A1, I was slowly overtaken by a
white 928. As it passed me, I noticed that it had a "Sport" logo along the
top of the left front wheelarch (ala. 944 Turbo LE and 924 GT). As it passed,
I though that it had larger (but still original design) rear wheels (by about
10mm ?) which filled out the rear arches. Odd I thought, but it looked better
than the S4.
Then, late last year, I was at a Porsche rally and, amongst all the 911s, I
found a black 928, which had larger wheel arches. These looked 'factory' but
the wheels were of the modern 911 style - almost certainly added later.
Anyway, I have concluded that these 928s were the elusive 928 Club Sport. The
CS was (I understand) a lightweight 928, with more power and the manual
gearbox. It didn't sell well, and the UK importers had the factory put back
in the electric windows and seats, plus the air conditioning and other luxury
bits and bobs. They kept the box and the engine and used the S4 bodyshell, but
the weight was back to almost that of the S4. Hence the 928 GT was born. I
didn't think that the CS was ever imported into the UK, but these two cars were
RHD.
Now... am I correct ? Does anyone else have any info on what was, and became of
the 928 Club Sport ? How does it compare to the later 928 GTs (bearing in mind
that the GT had two engine specs - the latest being more pokey) ?
Thanks,
Ross
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50.296 | I'm 95% sure the 928 CS made it to our shores | HIPS::WATSON | DARK IN HERE, ISN'T IT? | Fri Mar 22 1996 16:27 | 15 |
| I thought that the CS was imported into the UK - with the extras as you
stated. The GT came a year or so latter. As for their comparative
performance I've no idea. Mind you the whole concept of a 928CS seems a
bit odd to me - the GT and GTS are about as "crude" as you'd want to go
in a 928 (IMO). If you want a balls out racer then go for one of the
much lighter Porches that are about (924 Carrera, 911 Carrera 2.7, 911
Carrera 3, 911 CS, 968 CS, that new 1.5M DM 911 for designed for next
years LM, etc). The 928 is designed and the ultimate autobarn stormer
with the added advantage that it corners well - not something for the
track - though I have seen brave people try (with some success).
Rik
PS What the going rate for a 924 Carrera these days ? I would still
quite fancy one.
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50.297 | I'll *never* sell it ! | WOTVAX::WATSONR | Lambs... so cute... but so tasty ! | Fri Mar 22 1996 16:39 | 16 |
50.298 | | WOTVAX::WATSONR | Lambs... so cute... but so tasty ! | Fri Jul 26 1996 14:41 | 14 |
50.299 | Rescue 911 | HLFS00::BOSHUIJER_F | | Fri Nov 29 1996 18:21 | 13
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