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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

15.0. "MAZDA 323 4X4" by ORMUZD::BEAGLE (Beagles are better than computers .... ?) Wed Dec 16 1987 15:56

OK people .... does anyone out that own/lease a Mazda 323 4X4 Turbo ?

The other half and I saw one at the motor show and all the bumpf says
they ought to be real whizzy (watch out GTi's and RS's :-). We managed
to wangle a test drive and it seems very good in all respect - well
the fuel consumption is perhaps a tinsy bit low ?!?!

Anyway - anyone got any comments before we take the plunge only the
poor thing will probably be doing about 120 miles a day on 'A/B' roads.

Cheers

Jane. 
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15.7New 323 4x4 VANISH::TALBOYSPeter Talboys 774-6162Mon Mar 26 1990 14:2416
At the local Mazda dealers on Saturday, talking MX-5s at them , and happened
to ask about the new 4x4 ... they showed me a picture of it and it looks
like it's going to be ready for the old Group B rallying straight from the
factory! It will have a turbo version of the 1.8 engine, pumping out (so they
say) 220bhp!!  It will be in the small(er than the old 323) 3-door shape,
and in the 4 door booted 3-box shape, but _not_ in the 5 door 323F shape.
The one in the picture looked absolutely wicked, it was the 3-door style, in 
black with a front skirt virtually on the ground, a _massive_ rear spoiler, and
all sorts of bolt-on goodies ... sounds revolting but actually looked quite
good (and I'm not a fan of bolt-on spoilers and stuff)
It should give the GTE 16v brigade quite a shock!! but then so should the old
one with it's contemporaries, but no-one seemed to have heard of them ...
maybe the MX-5 will give Mazda a bit of a name for sporty cars now ...
I hope so, it's not going to hurt the resale value of my RX if it does!!

Peter
15.8Any help with weird problemSBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Thu Feb 21 1991 20:1241
    A plea for help ....
    
    We are now on our second 4X4 and generally speaking we have been dead
    happy with the little beasts ... everything has been rosy in the garden
    until recently a petite problem reared it's ugly head 
    
    Has anyone seen/heard of this sort of problem - has anyone got ANY
    suggestions - our local Mazda garage is going crazy trying to fix this
    and so far no luck ...
    
    Symptoms:
    
    Once the car has warmed up a bit she lurches at between 1000-2500 revs
    like she's about to run out of petrol - changing gear to keep the revs
    above 3000 helps, but you tend to 'kangaroo' along the road like a
    learner if you try 30mph in 4th gear !!
    
    Also - when under stress (like cornering or going uphill) she can be
    very sluggish and have an alomst total power-loss .. very embarassing
    pulling out on the M-way to overtake something and finding you are foot
    to the floor but not going any faster !
    
    Also - no power when pulling away from lights/junctions etc - foot to
    floor gives a sort of 'turbo-lag' where you crawl foward then
    eventually after about 10 seconds she lurches forward and bunny hops
    her merry way towards 3000 revs.
    
    The Mazda garage have had the car in many times now and have called
    other Mazda dealers to see if they can fix this problem - they've
    tested every electrical part (so they say) and tested the
    fuel-injection system etc etc 
    
    
    any wild ideas greatly appreciated - the Mazda garage are at their wits
    end as they have now done about 50 hours work free of charge !!
    
    Thanks
    
    Jane
    same as ORMUZD::BEAGLE and PUGH::JANE and wife to VANISH::TALBOYS and
    OPG::PETER :-)
15.9Be careful as you cross railway lines...SKIWI::EATONMarketing - the rubber meets the skyThu Feb 21 1991 23:234
Sounds like engine management to me - fuel shut-off and all that sort of thing.
Have the replaced the em system ?

The sort of behaviour you describe can get you killed.
15.10I'll save up all the guesses and give a prize :-)SBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Fri Feb 22 1991 13:3214
    As far as I know they have not replaced the em system - although they
    have checked it on thier diagnosis machines and and checked their
    diagnosis machiones with other machines !!
    
    I am very aware that the car's behaviour is extremely dangerous, and I
    am very very careful to leave plenty of time at roundabouts/junctions
    etc etc - at the moment I must be pigging off lots of drivers who think
     - "silly cow why doesn't she pull-out there's miles of room !!"
    
    I s'pose I was hoping that someone with a turbo/fuel injected car may
    have experienced something similar and say "Yes it's the xxxxxx" - just
    a wild hope really :-(
    
    Unhappy Fatty Beagle who's toy is broken :-(
15.12huh?SBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Fri Feb 22 1991 14:456
    Derek - for the benefit of dumb woman please explain further ....Peter
    might have understood this butI'm stupid when it comes to broom-brooms
    
    Cheers
    
    P.S - where's carbuff's these days ??
15.14keep those thoughts comingSBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Fri Feb 22 1991 16:596
    yes Peter as in Talboys .. yes the one from Newbury ... yes he's fine
    and happy and working at Midland ... :-)
    
    Thanks for the info
    
    Jane as in Mrs Pter Talboys :-)
15.15still looking for cluesSBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Fri Feb 22 1991 17:428
    found Carbuffs and the turbo note, but not one that was similar ...
    canb you remember whereabouts/how long ago the note was put in ??
    
    FWIW the car runs on leaded petrol and doesn't have a cat
    
    Here's hoping...
    
    
15.17Try poking it...UNTADH::LEWISIt's a Racing Snail...Fri Feb 22 1991 18:4614
    I did have similar symptoms with the Cossie one day, rather slow
    performance, a *lot* of induction roar, sucking like mad for breath,
    but never quite managing to go.
    When I stopped and looked under the bonnet, I spotted a vacuum pipe had
    come adrift. It was connecting the inlet manifold up to one of numerous
    sensors around the turbo. I don't know which one, as they all look the
    same to me, but it might be worth you having a pull on all the pipes
    and wires and things and see if anything moves.
    A small jubilee clip solved the problem permanently.
    
    Good hunting (or should I say Beagling ?)  ;-)
    
    Wonko the Sane
    
15.18DOOZER::JENKINSAventini. Better than an AventinusFri Feb 22 1991 19:056
    
    A cracked inlet manifold can cause similar problems - it would
    probably be even more pronounced on a turbo than on a 'normal'
    car.
    
    Good luck.
15.19Is this what you were looking for?DATABS::SOOWe need the machine that goes *ping*.Sat Feb 23 1991 01:0655
15.20tis fixed 0 hoorah hoorahSBPUS4::BEAGLEWhere Beagle's Dare ...Wed Mar 06 1991 19:0624
    Just to finish this off ....
    
    After being told repeatedly that it couldn't be a problem with the plug
    leads, I have finally got them to change the leads....
    
    The computer that never lies about things apparently lied, cos changing
    the leads in conjunction with a new distributer thingy (which alone did
    no good) seems to have fixed the problem..
    
    hoorah for the AA man who correctly said 'plugs/plug leads' the very
    first time the problem occured....
    
    hoorah for the fact it wasn't something major like the engine
    management system
    
    boooo hiss spit for the computer which kept saying the plug leads were
    fine and not breaking down at all in the slightest
    
    booo for the the garage who believed the computer
    
    hoorah for the same garage who eventually let common sense prevail over
    computer print-outs
    
    Happy Beagle with a car that goes VRROOOOMMMM all the time :-) :-)