Conference 7.286::home_work

    WE GET IT IN MARLBORO ON SUNDAY MORNINGS.  CAN'T SAY WHAT NUMBER
    ON THE DIAL, BUT I DID SEE THE SIDING SHOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
    IT WAS PRETTY GOOD HOWEVER, THEY REALLY MADE IT LOOK A LOT EASIER
    THAN IT REALLY IS.
    
    JUDIE
    
    

    I just discovered that "The Woodwright's Shop" is on every day at
    2:00 PM on Channel 2!  If you have a VCR, you're all set!
    
    							Bruce

    Apparently, channel 2 changed its programming format with the new
    year - "The Woodwright's Shop" is no longer on daily at 2PM.
    Sorry about that.
    
    ( I hope you didn't think you had a problem with your VCR! )
    
    								Bruce

    Last Saturday, I caught the last half of a show called The
    Do-It-Yourself Show on USA (a common cable channel).  I think it
    was on at 10:00 or 10:30 AM.  It was reasonably informative - last
    week's show dealt with cabinet making.  Might be worth checking
    out - it's a little different than the Bob & Norm show.
    
    -db
    

    
    I just thought I'd add a little more info about this DIY show. 
    I have not yet seen it but read an ad about it in a magazine. The show
    is on Saturday mornings at 10:00 AM and began the series on January
    3rd.  The ad mentions that it onced aired on PBS with great success.
    Each week there will be demonstrations "in detail" in projects of
    WOODWORKING, REMODELING, AUTO REPAIR, and LAWN AND GARDENING.  
    
    Sorry, but this show can only be viewed by cable owners (USA network).
    I plan on watching (or taping) next Saturdays show.  Hopefully, this will
    turn out to be an informative show, then maybe I'll be able to watch
    something else on TV beside "This Old House".
    
    Mike Galvin
     

    
    Another good program, and I can't recall the name of it, is on 
    Channel 11 from New Hampshire on Saturday Mornings, also at 10:00.
    This Channel is a PBS type channel, and I believe the program
    originates from Minnesota.
    
    A couple of things they demo'ed were installing  finishing woodwork,
    and re-doing a bath, for instance how to lay tiles, both floor and
    wall.  The name of the program has the word "HOME" in it.
                                            
    Maybe since Vila struck it rich, these types of programs may be
    "coming out of the woodwork".
    
    Sorry.
    

    These shows also appear on Sunday mornings, but on another station.
    I believe it is Channel 11 (cable 32 for me) from Durham, N.H.
    
    Dick

    Well, it's on Channel 11 (NH PBS) on Sunday morning, 10:30 maybe?
    Watched it yesterday.  
    
    Lee

    right after Home_Time; a great show.
    
    Also, Woodwright Shop seemed to be going into a series rerun, starting
    from the beginning...

    
    	This may be a bit off track but, did any one catch 
    "The Cosby Show" last night. For those who missed it or don't watch;
    The Cos was play the DIYer to fix a tile that had come loose in
    the bathroom. He then found the reason it had come off the wall
    was because there was a leaky pipe so he was going to fix the 
    pipe himself until his wife interveened. They called every plumber
    in the book until they finally called some friends of their oldest
    daughter to come fix it. 
    	Well anyways, the thing that bothered me the most about the
    show was what a lot of critics have said about the show. That
    it does not reflect real life. How many black families do you know
    where the father's a doctor and the mother's a lawyer and none
    of the kids have drug problems or any problems at all for that matter.
    	Last night show confirmed this "unreal" opinion. The crew they
    got to come and fix the leaky pipe was made up of college grads
    with majors in electical eng, art history, and psychology. They
    did the job in 2 days and charged them 20% less than the estimate.
    
    			
    	Where can I hire people like this...
    
    ...Dave
    

    
    
    	Exactly !!!
    
    	-Steve-
    

	Re .0: "How many black families do you know where the
	        father's a doctor and the mother's a lawyer and..."

	I suppose having Mum and Dad be some combination of doctor and
	lawyer is not all that common, though around Boston I'd expect
	to trip over them, in varieties of colors, races, shapes, and
	irritabilities, what with all the medical and law schools
	cluttering the region.

	Anyhow, your comment about how sweet everyone is, and how nicely
	everything works out, struck me as funny because I gripe about the
	Cos show for exactly the same reason.  Everyone is so ^&%#*& nice!
	It reminds me of the TV shows from the 50's.  The only difference
	is the 50s shows were ultra white, like laundry, and Mum was a
	Housewife, with a vengeance.  Actually, the Cos show is good
	compared to the 50's shows.  Scary, huh?  Well, it's nice to have
	_something_ nice on TV.

	So how did the college grads fix the pipe?

    Since when is television supposed to reflect reality?
    
    pbm
    

    
    Re: fixing the pipe
    
       The Cos asked why not just put a clamp over the leak?
    
    	The college grad said that it would hold for a while but to
    fix it right SHE need to replace the bad section. So she cut it
    out and replaced. Via big hole in wall. The other college grads
    fixed the wall and retiled .
    
    	 ...Dave
    

    Best TV view of DIY is a 1940's three stooges episode where they're
    plumbers.  (I'm brain damaged enough to like the stooges.)
    
    They generally trash this fancy house, interchanging the water,
    gas, and electrical conduits.  Light bulbs fill with water, etc.
    
    Unfortunately my wife saw it too.  Anytime I screw up a DIY project,
    I get some Curley/Larry/Moe comment...
    

>    Unfortunately my wife saw it too.  Anytime I screw up a DIY project,
>    I get some Curley/Larry/Moe comment...
    

	Actually it's not a 'Curley' episode but a 'Shemp'.  Just a nit.
	
	"Could I have a drink of water" ?   


	<Frightened Cook> - "Just turn ON anything ... You'll get it !"


	Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk ...



	Chuck 

    re: the 3 stooges episode...
    
    
    <frightened cook, again>  "This place has sho gone crazy!"

    re: the stooges
    
    my personal favorite...
    
    "oooo, no wonder these pipes don't work, their full of wires"

  Getting back to one of the early digressions...

  I only saw pieces of the TOH episode where they fixed up the well head,
  so I'm not sure about this... Was it my imagination, or did they take
  that authentic, fully-restored well head and put it back out on the
  authentic, original *dirt* again? 

  JP

Actually, they set it on stones.  However the thing I thought was kind of cute
was the only thing original about it when they got done with the restoration
was the spout, the lid that covered the hole and a couple of miscellaneous
pieces of wood.  I bet over 90% of it was new material!

-mark

    Or how about "Golden Girls" when the "Girls" decided to repair the
    bathroom themselves.  I especially enjoyed Sophia's joy when she
    saw the deinstalled toilet sitting in the living room in front of
    the television (her comment was something like "every old person's
    dream".  I'm sure everyone watching could also relate to the
    frustration of trying to deal with plumbers, etc...
    
    ep

    Ohhhh boy, you got me going now...
    
    This Old House (wellhead et. al.) is now an official joke in my
    mind.  Bob Vilas is jerk, Norm is considerably overweight from
    those enormous kickbacks and, hey, with 200 grand, I can have a
    nice fixup on my house too.
    
    They wrecked the house (Weatherbee, just concluded).  They've mixed
    country and tradition with useless, modern toys like a thermometer
    on the kitchen faucet (don't you just stick your hand under it?
    What's the difference between 95 and 96 degrees?), used modern
    toggle switches, modern enameled faucets and built a modern
    deck.  TOH is just a mechanism for Russell Morash (producer) and
    Bob Vilas to live out their (expensive) fantasies.
    
    I want a show that can help me with DIY, not DIWLOM (do it with
    lots of money).
    
    No one asked, just my opinion...
    
    ps - The show does make a good soap opera!!

    I agree with your living fantasy opinion of TOH.  I do enjoy some
    of it though.  Every once in awhile, (about every other episode)
    I do see something that I can apply to a project I am considering.
     And once in awhile, I see something that influences what I will
    do in the way of improvements.
    
    But maybe, we can get Robin Leech and Bob Villa to do a spin off
    show, Do It Yerself with the Rich and Famous.
    
    Mike S.
    
    San Francisco
    

    So, what do you think the owners of that Calif. home on last night's
    TOH will do? Pick up and move, or pick up and pour a new foundation?
    Cost for latter?
    
    Mike

    
	I caught this show last night on cable called "State Of The
    Architecture". It's basically the commercial extreme of "This Old
    House." They go as far as to give products and companies names and
    addresses. The main point of the show is to feature new products 
    and construction techniques. 
	They were working on this new contemporary in southern Florida.
    A couple of things they highlighted were new aluminum roofing shingles,
    a company that installs closet organizer racks and shelving, and a new
    tileing adhesive and grout product with a 30 year guarantee or
    something like that. 
	Another neat thing was the way the were leveling the concrete
    floor. They were using a product called "GYPSCRETE", I think that's 
    what its called. It basically looked like a very soupy concrete mix 
    that the pumped over the floor. This might be worth looking into 
    for those looking to level their basement floors. The advantage to 
    this is they can poor it 1/4 to 2 inches thick. It would seem like an
    ideal product instead of pouring 4 inches of concrete over the whole
    floor and loosing that headroom. The other thing they said is that
    it could be poured over subfloors also to level them before putting
    down tile and such.

	Sorry I can't remember the channel it was on, I'll check next
    time..

...Dave
   

    I blew TOH off a long time ago but reading this note makes me want
    to start watching again, not for DIY but for laughs.
    
    I have a few ideas for the house in Ca. now lets see what can be
    done with big cash that most would simply relocate away from.
    Is the house on a hill? Maybe they will install 15 miles retaining
    wall to stabalize the hill side.
    
    Or earthquake country Eh? I have just the fix(with their budget)
    lets drive pilings down 10 miles and nail that san andreas in place
    we wouldent want our house moving now would we...
    
    Naw they cant really do that so instead they'll find some qtr round
    original trim that is badly decayed and restore it for around $150
    per lin. ft.
    
    -j with many 8^)'s
    
    

                HOMETIME 1989 PBS SEASON PREVIEW
                ================================

{copied without permission from HOMEOWNER magazine Jan/Feb 1989}

Episode 1:     Home Security                               Jan 14
Episode 2-11:  Contracting Your Own Home                   Jan 21 through Mar 25
Episode 12:    Storage                                     Apr 1
Episode 13:    Home Decorating                             Apr 8
Episode 14-15: Ceilings                                    Apr 15-22
Episode 16-17: Lawn Care Basics                            Apr 29-May 6
Episode 18-19: Decks                                       May 13-20
Episode 20-21: Patios and Walkways                         May 27-Jun 3
Episode 22:    Basic Landscaping                           Jun 10
Episode 23:    Underground Sprinklers                      Jun 17
Episode 24:    Children's Playsets                         Jun24
Episode 25-26: Lighting                                    July 1-8
Episode 27-28: Hardwood Flooring                           July 15-22
Episode 29-30: Hand and Power Tools                        Jul 29-Aug5
Episode 31:    Vinyl Floors                                Aug 12
Episode 32-34: Three-Season Porch                          Aug 19-26, Sept 2
Episode 35:    Weatherization and Insulation               Sept 9
Episode 36-37: Common Home Repairs                         Sept 16-23
Episode 38:    Furniture Refinishing                       Sept 30
Episode 39-40: Ceramic Tile                               Oct 7-14
Episode 41-46: Refinishing the Lower Level                 Oct 21 through Nov 25

Does anyone have current times, like reply .2?  (Maybe .2 is still good?)
I'd appreciate the times for Ch. 2 (Boston) and Ch. 11 (NH).

    > validity of .2 
    
    I can confirm the Thursday TOH, the Sunday TOH at 11:00 and the
    Sunday, HOMETIME at 12:00. 

    
    Does anyone have the sched for Normy's new Yankee Workshop ???

    Somebody posted it in a recent reply. I think it was during 
    a TOH digression ... 

    According to today's Boston Globe, WGBH (Boston ch. 2) will be airing
    Norm's show on Thursdays.  The time wasn't mentioned...
    
    Edd

    See JOET::Woodworking_and_tools for a complete discussion of this show
    
    
    			herb

    RE -1
    
   > See JOET::Woodworking_and_tools for a complete discussion of this show
    
    I'm getting "File not found" when I try to get into this file.

						Speedo

    I watched the Hometime show yesterday, Sunday Jan. 22 at 3:00PM
    on channel 44.  (Location Boston area)
    
    The show was about selecting a plans for a home, the site, and talked
    a bit about the advantages/disadvantages of being your own general
    contractor.  Being a total novice I thought the show as interesting.
    From the sounds of it they are going from soup to nuts with building
    this house, with "them" - and a little help for real experts I'm
    sure :-) - as the general contractor.

    
    RE .12
    
    Thanx ... I appreciate it greatly ...   Frank
    

                -< Hometime/This Old House/New Yankee Workshop >-

    This is the current schedule for Hometime, This Old House and New
    Yankee Workshop that I've been able to determine.
    
    				Sunday
    				------
     9:30 am		ch. 44		New Yankee Workshop
    10:00 am		ch. 44		Hometime
    10:30 am		ch. 11		New Yankee Workshop
    11:00 am		ch. 11		This Old House
    12:00 noon		ch. 11		Hometime
    12:30 pm		ch. 44		This Old House
     2:30 pm		ch. 44		New Yankee Workshop
     3:00 pm		ch. 44		Hometime
    
    				Tuesday
    				--------
     6:00 pm		ch. 36		Hometime

    				Thursday
    				--------
    12:30 pm		ch. 44		This Old House
     7:30 pm		ch. 11		This Old House
     7:30 pm		ch.  2		New Yankee Workshop
     8:00 pm		ch.  2		This Old House

    				Saturday
    				--------
     1:30 pm		ch. 36		This Old House
     2:30 pm		ch.  2		Hometime
     5:30 pm		ch.  2		This Old House
     6:00 pm		ch.  2		New Yankee Workshop
     

    	Channel 2   WGBH   Boston MA
    	Channel 11  WENH   Durham NH
    	Channel 36  WSBE   Providence RI
    	Channel 44  WGBX   Boston MA
    

    Why do they give these shows a travel budget? Seems that more of the
    "How To" shows are taking "where made" trips instead of spending the
    limited timeslot on the reason the viewer is watching. Hometime took
    the first step into that rathole this week and TOH spent the entire
    show in Chicago where the only thing standing between the developer and
    an energy efficient cardboard box was the building code...
    
    I wish I could have afforded a field trip while the subcontractors were
    roughing in my house ;')

I was also dissapointed to see "Hometime" veering off on this tangent.
Unlike TOH, however, hometime didn't seem to be gaining anything in terms
of donations, etc.   "This Old 30 Minute Commercial" takes those trips
because the people/businesses being "interviewed" will then donate some
material/labor to the show.  

Hometime, I think, was genuinly interested in showing some form of ongoing
architectural redesign... thus the trips to Montecello, and the excentric
old biddy (what was her name) who believed that as long as she was 
having work done on her mansion, she would never die.  

Hometime does seem to be more into showing us HOW and WHY things are done,
instead of WHERE and by WHO things are done, ala This Old Commercial.

Bob

    
    I don't find the Hometime side trips as annoying as TOH because
    they don't become the whole show!  They are short segments which
    show some interesting things.  I don't mind SOME of the trips TOH
    takes, just the fact that they consume 80-90% of the show lately.
    I find some of them interesting.  After all, it's not often I get
    to take a trip to a saw mill, granite quarry, window manufacturer,
    etc.
    

    Yes but TOH started with 5 minute diversions to interesting places.
    Same rathole, different point in timeline. I think Hometime will be
    better off since they have a limited schedule planned. From what I've
    heard, they are only doing the one house (10 shows). They won't have
    enough seasons to get down into the 20 minute field trip (Hi, I'm Bob
    VIla. Today Norm is going to put in this skylight. While Norm gets
    ready let's take a look at the Anderson factory... 20 minutes later...
    Well that'll about do it for this week. Next week we'll check and see
    if Norm is ready to do that skylight and take and interesting look at
    how window chalk dries. This is Bob VIla, see you then on This Old
    (materials donated) House. ;^)
    
    Anybody else notice that Bob drives up in a Ford truck and Ford is a
    sponsor for the show ;^O "Materials donated" - Bob Vila TOH 1/89 - 700
    times.

    
    re:.19
    
    yes I noticed the Found On Road Dead truck Bob drives up in, and
                      -     -  -    -
    also one very similar that Norm drives parked next to Bobs.
    
    I do find their trips interesting but only in 5 or 10 minute segments
    I watch the show to learn and get new ideas to try on my house.
    Norms new show is great to learn different ways to use tools
    if you can afford them !!
    
    ace
    

    She believed she was haunted by the spirits of those killed by the
    family's guns.  The house is in San Jose, CA (the most interesting
    thing in town) and is not only weird, but also an absolute museum of
    first-class execution of 1880-1920 building technology.  All the glass,
    for instance, is optical and boy is it clear.  That includes the
    glass-walled bathrooms. She didn't want the servants wasting time.
    Beautiful woodwork in the room with 20 doors.  Exquisite joinery on the
    spiral stairs with 200 1-inch-high treads. 

    
    No one's made a entry in this note for 3 years...WOW
    
    For you Hometime fans, Jo-Jo is leaving the show. She's taking a job
    with a improv acting company. The show they had on Sunday was dedicated
    to her departure. There will be a new girl taking her place.
    
    Mike

    By the way.....just what is the relationship between the two members?
    They show one bedroom, but, different last names?
    
    Marc H.

    I caught the farewell episode. At one point, they mentioned that the
    show's production was intended to give the impression of a married
    couple, implying that indeed they are not married in "real life".
    Also, wasn't there another woman prior to the one that just left?
    Any Hometime trivia fanatics out there?
    
    John

    
    They are not married. Dean Johnson interview her for the job about 4
    years ago. At the time she was in a acting touring company that was
    touring the Philly area.
    
    Mike

	Dean Johnson is married, but not to Joanne Liebler (who is single).  I 
	caught the first show with the new host(ess), Suzanne Egli, yesterday.  
	She seems adequate but her voice is a little shrill for me.  Maybe is 
	just a matter of getting used to her.

	--Mike

    Joanne was at least the second woman, but i don't remember her
    predecessor's name
    
    
    
    				herb

    Tuned into Hometime last weekend and saw that Suzanne Egli has been
    replaced by Robin Hartle(sp). So, what's the dirt on Suzanne's de-
    parture? Anybody have a bio of Robin?
     
    Inquiring minds want to know!
    

    I didn't like Suzanne anyways.  Too squeaky a voice.
    
    These replacements are making Jojo look better all the time.
    
    	Dave.

>>            <<< Note 621.31 by DAVE::MITTON "Token rings happen" >>>
>>                            -< Bring back Joanne? >-

Did anyone see this weekend show?  It was the one where they buy a
1930's house and start renovating it and adding a family room.

It was terrible!  Too much fluff and jazz.  I don't want to be entertained,
I want to be informed.

Garry

    
    Seems they showed more flash backs to the 30's, 40s' ect.,
    the they worked.  I would have liked to have seen how the 
    architects did the design layouts and stuff.
    
    Not a very show.....
    JD
    

Is Joanne back on the show or are they still showing repeats ??

They recently had a series on contracting your own home (what a house !)
and a 3 parter on building a 3 season porch. I've never seen these
before and have been watching the show a long time ...

It's probably been said but this is by far the best DIY show I've seen.
You really learn valuable skills and tips ! And they'll come right and
tell you to hire someone for the non DIY stuff.

Randy
    

    
    Those are both old episodes. The "Contracting your own home" series
    was a few years ago. Generally , I like the show... but they do drive
    me crazy wiht one major tendency: They love to spend a great deal of 
    time on the details... and then gloss completely over the hardest part
    of the job. 
    
    	e.g. : "Here's how to cut a normal piece of tile with a tile cutter..."
                  <insert demo that everyone has seen 1000 times>
    				Followed by:
    	       "While you weren't watching, we put a 45 degree bevel 
    		on these right angle bull nose edge tiles." 
	
    However, they did win big points with me when Dean cut a roof rafter
    wrong and had to scrap a 2x12.... and they made a point of showing that
    it happens to the best of them.
    
                                   

>>    wrong and had to scrap a 2x12.... and they made a point of showing that
>>    it happens to the best of them.

The best of them?  He's an actor.

bjm

>     However, they did win big points with me when Dean cut a roof rafter
>     wrong and had to scrap a 2x12.... and they made a point of showing that
>     it happens to the best of them.

	As Brian said, he's an actor and cutting it wrong was most likely
	in the script.

	However these day's Dean's acting is better than the non-actors
	trying to "act" on This Old House......

(pulled from http://www.pbs.org/jan96/hometimejanpr.html)

   HOMETIME

Saturday, January 6, 1996                                              [Image]

2:30 p.m. ET

(check local listings)

Photo: Hosts Dean Johnson and Robin Hartl tackle two new remodeling projects
during the 10th season of the home improvement series. Photo credit: Mike
Habermann.

"Remodeling is hot," according to Dean Johnson, host and executive producer of
HOMETIME. "We see it in the reports about construction dollars spent. We see it
in our viewer mail. People are choosing to remodel rather than move." HOMETIME
gives viewers just what they want in its 10th season on public television. The
new season kicks off Saturday, January 6, 1996, 2:30 p.m. ET with the first of
two major remodeling projects to be featured this year.

The first endeavor is a combination project: a kitchen remodel and an addition
to a typical urban starter house. In the six-part miniseries, HOMETIME adds a
10-foot by 23-foot addition with a sun room and a new kitchen. Part of the
space once occupied by the old kitchen is used to create a main floor bathroom.
The house originally had only one bathroom on the second floor.

According to senior producer Matt Dolph, this project has the tightest budget
HOMETIME has worked with to date. "It's a starter house in a neighborhood full
of smaller, older houses, so we have to be careful not to over-invest on the
job," said Dolph. "Before we started, we had a realtor do a study of comparable
houses in the area and found that if we added the space and amenities we
planned and kept the budget to $30,000, we could expect to recover most of the
costs at resale." Johnson is quick to point out, however, that while resale
value should be considered, it is not the only issue. "If you love your house
and your neighborhood, why move just to get more space?" said Johnson. "If you
can add the space you need or convert unused space for living area, it's often
cheaper than moving, plus you get to keep your neighbors."

A recent survey by the National Association of Home Builders Remodelorsreg.
(NAHB) council bolsters Johnson's position. The 1995 survey of 560 remodelers
determined the top two reasons homeowners remodel are that they need more space
and they don't want to purchase a new home. Economists at the NAHB expect
remodeling expenditures to total $123 billion this year, almost as much as new
construction. The amount spent on remodeling just 10 years ago was $49 billion.

HOMETIME's second remodeling project focuses on claiming unused space in a
house -- namely, the basement. In the six-part "Finishing the Lower Level"
miniseries, Johnson and co-host Robin Hartl claim the unused space in the
basement to build a family room, a game room, a guest room and a luxury
bathroom, complete with sauna, steam enclosure and whirlpool tub.

"It's a far cry from the old-fashioned, dark basement rec room," said Johnson.
"This is a newer house, designed with the idea that someday the basement would
be finished."

HOMETIME completes its 1996 season with programs about basic how-to techniques
and popular remodeling jobs, including decks, kitchen remodeling, bathroom
remodeling, electrical, plumbing, wood floor refinishing and vinyl siding
installation. In addition, the 10th season includes HOMETIME's annual project
with Habitat for Humanity. In this year's episode, "A Day in the Life of
Habitat for Humanity," Johnson and Hartl show what happens on a typical
Saturday at a Habitat site.

HOMETIME is a production of Hometime Video Publishing and WHYY Philadelphia and
is presented by WHYY. Executive producer: Dean Johnson. Senior producers: Matt
Dolph and Chris Balamut.

Funding is provided by Stanley Works, Chevy Truck and Owens Corning.

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    Haven't been able to catch HOMETIME in quite a while, but happened to
    catch the tail-end of one yesterday, and it gave a pointer to their 
    page on the web 
    
    		http://www.pbs.org/hometime/
    
    Checked it out a bit last night and it seems to be done pretty well.	
    

>>    		http://www.pbs.org/hometime/

Appears to be an almost-alias for www.hometime.com which includes a 
"Search the Site" option no found on the pbs.org/hometime site.  The 
User's Forum link from the pbs.org link will take you to www.hometime.com.

bjm