Conference 7.286::home_work

    I'm reposting my 1160.1 reply, with separate pointers, and a spelling
    correction.

    DELNI::TOOLS

    update to .7:  C_A is now WORDS::CLASSIFIED_ADS
    

    For coal/wood stove discussion.  (Update to 1160.6)

    For log homes see SUSHI::LOG_HOMES
    

    This is not the place for this,but I want to know if this confe-
    rence still exist   DSSDEV::PHOTO  tried it but no succes,file not
    found.Is there any other way I can access it,let me know.
    	Thank you.
    			Jean-Gilles.
    

it's AFVAX::PHOTO.......ANCHOR::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS is the 'bible' 

    ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THE CONSUMER NOTES FILE IS NOW LOCATED?
     IS IT STILL ON "LYCEUM" ?

    Re: .11
    
    It was this morning!
    
    Jim

            <<< JOET::DUA1:[000000.NOTES$LIBRARY]HOME_WORK.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< Better living through DIY >-
================================================================================
Note 3575.9            *MAIN* Electric Supply Repair Story                9 of 9
WCSM::BOWNE                                          16 lines  19-NOV-1989 18:12
               -< And now for something copletely  unrelated... >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    	RE .2, .3, .5 - I realize that this is not the proper place
    to ask this, but I've recently been trying to figure out exactly 
    HOW one goes about cross-posting notes from one conference to another.
    Can someone shed some light on this for me (and possibly others)?
    Also, where *would* be the proper place to ask questions such as 
    this?  I've looked in Help in notes, and searched through Easynet_
    Conferences, but haven't yet found the answer.
    	Sorry for my ignorance and for the intrusion, but thanks for 
    any possible assistance!
    
    	RE .0 - Fascinating stuff!!

    Thanks again,
    Tom
    

How to cross-post:

1. Get the author's permission.  Doing so is a basic courtesy; there may also be
   legal, trade-secret, or confidentiality issues that only the author knows
   about.

2. Read the note to be cross-posted.

3. EXTRACT filename

4. OPEN the conference you want to cross-post to

5. If you want to reply to an existing topic, read that topic and REPLY filename

6. If you want to start a new topic instead, WRITE filename


Where to discuss mechanical NOTES issues such as cross-posting:

I think there exists a conference someplace for this very purpose.  Maybe 
someone will post a pointer to it here.  But in general, feel free to ask other
NOTERs for any help you need, in any suitable form.  It's good to be concerned
about the right place to ask things, but more important to ask for the help
that you need.


		DCL, inclined to be a kindly and lenient moderator 
			on a quiet Sunday evening

    You can also call the Customer Support Center at 1-800-DEC-8000 and
    ask for VAX Notes support.  The product is supported out of the Atlanta
    CSC.  They will ask you for an access number, you can use your badge
    number if you are not already registered.  The CSC's provide support
    24x7 all year round.

    For Europeans, there is a conference similar in content to this one. So
    far, most of the information is specific to the U.K. but occasionally
    there are some notes about electric wiring in France and heating in
    Germany.
    
    Hit keypad 7 to add BurySt::DIY to your notebook.

re .16:

The UK DIY conference is small but fascinating.  There's a topic on getting
rid of squirrels under your thatched roof.  You can also try to figure out
what the following are:

	patress (no, it's not a male matress)
	electric strimmer (easy)
	sash cramps

    A new conference started up several months ago and is still looking for
    contributors.  Energy Conservation is the topic.  Many of the notes
    here talk about energy conservation so you could probably be a big help
    in answering questions.
    
    Hity keypad 7 to add DISCVR::ENERGY_CONSERVATION to your notebook.

    Woodworking_and_Tools moved today from DELNI:: to NOTED::
    
    MODIFY ENTRY WOODWORKING_AND_TOOLS/FILE=NOTED::WOODWORKING_AND_TOOLS
    will update your notebook to point to the new location.

     	

     Anybody from the UK check in to this conference ??
                               
     I've actually just relocated from California to Scotland. For the last
     few years I've been engaged in various sawdust generating activities
     during the remodelling of my former home. This notefile has been of
     great help during the process.

     Now that I've moved to an area where the architecture and construction
     techniques are totally different I've wondered if there's a cadre of
     UK folks engaged in home_working ??

     SO, is there anybody out there ?? Also, any good DIY mags that I
     should be subscribing too ??

     RR

    Look at the ASICS::DIY notesfile. It's the UK equivalent of HOME_WORK.
    
    

    Many references have been mad to DELNI::TOOLS in this conference, but 
    apparaently the node has been changed.  Can someone kindly direct me to
    the right address?
    
    Thanks,
    AMN

    Thanks for the tip.
    
    

    
    
    Thanks for the referral, I've now added the conference to my notesfile.
    Ray

The gardening notesfile has moved to evms::spiers::garden

    Am I missing something,
    
    I deleted entry garden
    
    then I,
    
    add entry evms::spiers::garden
    
    Then I Open garden
    
    invalid device is the response.
    
    Is evms::spiers::garden up and running ??
    
    
    Thanks
    
    Don
    
    

    ...just worked for me.
    
    Edd

re: .20 & .21

                     
>The gardening notesfile has moved to evms::spiers::garden


Probably should be evms::spiers:garden

(just one ":" between "spiers" and "garden") 


JanB

No, the path evms::spiers::garden is correct! spiers
is a hidden node and requests need to route thru evms
to get here. I suspect that a single : caused the
staed problem.
				JimG

    Nope, typing was fine.
    
    Perhaps ??????????
    
    I have no idea anymore.
    
    Is there anyother way to get into the garden notes ?
    
    
    Don
    

It works fine for me.  I suggest deleting your entry and trying it again.

			Steve

    Deleted several times and added it several times Jim gave me other
    node names to try with ::spiers::garden and nothing seems to work.
    
    Is there anyone on node wmomax or wmois that has been able to get
    into the garden note ?
    
    
    I tried, add it, delete it, add it, delete it on both wmomax
    and wmois and niether worked and the notice was the same on both
    invalid device.
    
    Oh ya and in between every add it, delete it I tried open it.
    
    Monotonous isn't it, not to mention fustrating.
    
    
    
    Still_trying_don
    

It's possible that you have a logical name that's interfering.
Try SHOW LOGICAL EVMS and SHOW LOGICAL SPIERS.

I believe that the problem you are having is due to your system (I checked
WMOMAX) running a six-year old version of NOTES.  Versions before V2.0
don't support the "hidden-node" syntax.  Ask your system manager to install
a current version.

					Steve

    
    	I'm in Westminster (WMO cluster).  I added the Garden file
    yesterday with no problems.
    
    	Linda
    

    
     I've been trying to get into TALLIS::REAL_ESTATE for almost a week
    with no luck. Keeps coming back with a "node unreachable".
    
     Does anybody know what the status is?
    
     Steve 

Notefile: 20.465::Real_Estate
Note: 10.38
Author: NETRIX::michaud "Jeff Michaud, DECnet/OSI"
Topic: Real Estate Conference Rules & Notices
Title: Will the correct DECnet Phase IV address please stand up
Date: 14-JUN-1993 23:39

	What is supposed to be the correct node address for Tallis::??
	Anchor:: (the master Phase IV nodes database) and the DEC:
	namespace both believe the address is 55.123.  However the
	real address seems to be 20.465.  I found this out from someone
	else who's nodes database had this address.  Where they got it
	from I have no idea ....

NCP>tell anchor show node tallis


Node Volatile Summary as of 16-JUN-1993 13:27:02

    Node           State      Active  Delay   Circuit     Next node
                              Links

20.465 (TALLIS)                               BNA-0        55.436 (ESCLAN)

    
    Thanks All,
    
     I had checked our local large clusters to see if they were showing
    a new address for TALLIS but came up with nothing.
    
     Next time I'll check ANCHOR first.
    
     Steve

> Next time I'll check ANCHOR first.

	It wouldn't of helped.  I had checked anchor yesterday and it
	still the old area 55 address.  Looks like the easynet folks
	just corrected it within the last 24 hours ....

	They also seemed to of made most of the adjustments to the
	DEC: namespace.  However Tallis appears to of moved from TAY
	to AKO, but instead of deleting the .tay.tallis node object
	and replacing it with a softlink, they forgot about it
	(so anyone using the old fullname will still get 55.123).

netrix> syntofull tallis
DEC:.ako.tallis

netrix> showtowers .ako.tallis
DNA_CMIP-MICE                  Null
DNAsessionV2                   number=19
NSP                            Null
Routing                        %x490014aa000400d15120 (20.465)

1 Towers were found

netrix> showtowers -b .tay.tallis
DNA_CMIP-MICE                  Null
DNAsessionV2                   number=19
NSP                            Null
Routing                        %x490037aa0004007bdc20 (55.123)

1 Towers were found

    Any model makers out there who might know a source for
    model wheels or a ref to a hobbyist conference (R.I.P easynotes)?
    
    What I'm looking for are plastic wheels about the size of a dime
    to fit the Brio(TM) wood train tracks.  I've tried every model shop
    and hobby shop in the phone book.   The smallest wooden wheels
    won't work, and they seem to be the only type that all the shops
    have in stock.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Colin
    

Notefile: TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES
Note: 1554.2
Author: GLOWS::GRUBER "Dr. Negative"
Topic: Model Railroads conference
Title: New Home for Model Railroads Conference
Date: 31-MAR-1993 14:03
Lines: 12

          The MODEL_RAILROADS conference has now moved.  Its new home 
          is at GLOWS::

            Do a MODIFY ENTRY/FILE=GLOWS::MODEL_RAILROADS to modify
          your entry in your notebook.  GLOWS should be in your 
          network database but just in case it's address is 32.456.
            
            Your new moderator is Markus Gruber. My DEC Mail address is 
          GLOWS::GRUBER.

    	I searched EASYNOTES.LIS for "trains" and got:
    
    	CUJO::CLASSIC_TOY_TRAINS
    
    	I assume you can start there.
    
    	Scott

    Many thanks!
    
    Colin
    

    Actually that was fast considering you asked a question that doesn't
    even come CLOSE to the conference you asked it in.
    
    Keep your slams against this file to yourself.
    
    Joyce

    
    That was no slam... that was his point... 8-|
    
    	If the other conference doesn't pan out, give a call to
    	"The Train Exchange" in Manchester CT... an amazing train
    	hobbyist shop. Perhaps they can do something by mail if
    	you can't drive there.
    
    							- Mac

    Colin,
    
    Would actual Brio wheels work?  Brio sells a box of replacement parts
    for their trains.  I can't remember the price but I've seen them at
    Smart Toys in Derry, NH.
    
    Ruth

    
    Hi Ruth,
    
    I guess your little one is also into these?  Brio parts would
    be great - thanks for the tip.  And thanks to all for the other
    suggestions.
    
    Colin
    

    >I guess your little one is also into these?
    
    Both of my little ones are into these.  We've been adding to the
    set for about four years now so we've got what seems to be miles
    of Brio track.  We haven't had to buy the spare parts yet since
    the stuff is so well made.
    
    I've only seen the spare parts kit at Smart Toys.  If you're
    planning to go there I recommend calling first.  Also they seem
    to have a semi-annual 10% off sale for all Brio and Playmobil.
    That should be coming up this month, assuming they're having one.
    
    Ruth

    I am request a public apology from the author of note .6 there was no
    reason what -so-ever for making 3 insults to me.
    
    Joyce

    Re: .11
    
    For what its worth......I think that your comment was out of line.
    In my humble opinion......
    
    Marc H.

    
    I unreservedly apologise for my hasty remarks.  I hope this puts the
    matter behind us.
    
    Colin
    

    Thank you .13
    
    RE: .12
    
    Not worth much since I wasn't talking to you.  And my comment may have
    been out of line but it was not an insult or a derogatory remark.
    
    Joyce
    

Today is my last day at Digital -- I'm off to pursue another opportunity -- and
I don't know how I'm going to get along without this conference.  It's been
my constant companion during my first year of home ownership.

I know some of you must be into Compuserve, Prodigy, America Online, etc. 
Are there forums out there that provide Home_Work like advice to non-DECies?
Which one's best?  What do they cost?  

(I've looked through "related conference" notes and title-searched for 
"compuserve", "prodigy", and "internet" -- no luck.  If a note's already 
started on this topic, can you tell me where it is?)

Thanks,
S.

AmericaOnline seems to have a lot of new forums opening up along these lines.
I recall reading announcements from The Family Handyman and Black&Decker
about home-repair forums on AOL.  I don't use any of these services so I
can't speak from first-hand experience.

					Steve

.1>  I have the books, but they don't provide the "been there, done that" 
     personalized advice I get talking with fellow home handypersons.  I 
     value the discussions and arguments as much as the solutions I find here.  

2.>  That raises another point.  If the forums on compuserve, prodigy, etc are
     being sponsored by Black & Decker, Dutch Boy, or True Value, for example,
     will I be submitted to sales pitches by representatives of those companies?
     Is the "advice" compromised by the sponsoring company's sales goals?

Anybody out there using these services?
     
Yours for a free and just cyberspace,
S.

The closest equivalence to Home_Work on the Internet is the newsgroup
misc.consumers.house.

Internet service providers range from free (if a university student or have
it at work) to a few bucks an hour (with a few $1-$2/hr) plus phone charges
if you have to reach them long-distance.

-Mike

    
    Many libraries have access to large CDROM-based databases of current
    magazine articles.  I've found these very useful and a very fast way
    of getting info on a topic.

    
       PRODIGY has an agreement with TOH and the Victory Garden. Both of
    these (WGBH) shows have on-line experts/Bulletin Boards.  Articles
    are core features included with your membership. The Bulletin Boards
    and Mail have additional fees (I think .06 cents/minute for BB, and
    .25 cents for mail).
    
       I'm sure they other services have similar agreements as were 
    mentioned previously.
    
         Good luck,
                   Mark

    I canciled my Compuserve subscription, even before the 30 day trial 
    because there was no home_work type Note.

    Re .7:
    
    Did you look recently?  I believe in the latest issue of The Family
    Handyman they announced they were setting up a forum on Compu$erve
    dealing with DIY issues.  (Maybe it was America Online and I mis-
    read the burb in TFH?)

    
    	Does anyone know what happened to the gardening notesfile at
    	EVMS::SPIERS::GARDEN??
    
    	Accessing it gives you "cannot find file"... (my network address
    	for EVMS is up-to-date).
    
    	-Erik

    Works for me.
    
    	Steve

    
    	Wait, I mispoke. What I actually get is "Invalid device name"
    	when I try to open the conference.
    
    	I tried from another system and I can get in, so the problem
    	must be with my own system. 
    
    	All my other usual conferences open fine. I only have a problem
	with this one, even starting from scratch with a whole new
    	NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE. I'm stumped.
                                         
    	Any ideas?
        
	-Erik    
    

    Do you have a logical name defined for EVMS or perhaps GARDEN?
    
    				Steve

    The same thing happened to me it appears that the node is using
    I believe V2.0. if I remember correctly it requires at least V2.5.
    
    I'll leave the technical jargon to the experts.
    
    
    Don
    

Re: .4

You may be on to something - to access a notes conference using the
"pass-through" syntax (with two or more node names), you must be using
at least NOTES V2.0.

				Steve

If you're in ZKO, you can access it as SPIERS::GARDEN.

    
    	OK, I have it all straightened out now...

    	Ever try to fix something and everything broke? :-) I saw that I
    	had an old version of NOTES, and installed the new version 2.5
    	thinking that might be the problem. Then my PAK key was incorrect,
    	and I had no NOTES at all and couldn't even get back to here. I got
    	the new PAK key but then my old LICENSE version couldn't handle the
    	PAAM params, nor did it have a /remove option.

    	Anyway, I'm all set now and can get into gardening fine. Using an
    	older version of NOTES was the problem all right. Thanks for the 
    	help...

    	-Erik

    I've been trying to get to the GARDEN conference all week.
    Some node (EVMS or SPIERS) is not reachable. Anyone know
    what's going on? Anyone have the moderator's e-mail so I can
    ask?

    You'd figure it out for yourself if you checked its announcement
    topic in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.  It moved last month.
    
    				Steve

    Thanks.

    For those who want the simple, polite, and tolerable answer ...

			FDCV14::GARDEN

    Kevin

	Thanks Kevin,

	    We can't all be mega-noters.

						Tim

    Where is the GARDEN notesfile? 
    Did it move?  I haven't been able to access it in a while.
    
    	Thanks,
    	Willy

    
    
    Try =
    
    			FDVC14::GARDEN
    
    

    Hmmm, I tried it and got the error message: Remote node unkown.
    

    Well...It would seem that the node fdvc14:: is not defined on your
    system.  Can you check this?
    
    -jon
    

The node is actually FDCV14::

For the whereabouts of notes conferences, the first place to check is
TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.  Please read notes 1.5 and 1.13 there first.

				Steve

    I didn't see a note on this, so maybe one can be setup. Does anyone
    know of any Internet addresses for HOME_WORKS type information? Any
    magazines, manuals, etc. online?

The Family Handyman is on America Online.

			Steve

    Do you have to subscribe to AOL or is there an address you can access?

       The newsgroup misc.consumers.house is very active; it usually has
       a higher signal-noise ratio than most other groups in that
       hierarchy.
       
       --Don

I'm not an AOL user, but I am fairly certain that you must be an AOL 
subscriber to access the "forum" (or whatever they call it).

				Steve

A friend just sent this to me:

    At Home Improvement Net Tips, you will discover ideas and products that
    help you maintain and upgrade the value of your home. Net Tips gives you
    up-to-date information that make home enhancements easy to plan and
    complete. It also offers free how-to brochures and more detailed
    information you can order while online. 

	http://www.webscope.com/nettips/homepage.html

It seems a little commercially-oriented, but there might be some useful tips
there from time to time.

-Chris

    See alt.home.repair

Anyone know what happened to CARBUFFS ??

Check its announcement note in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

			Steve

	I have been unable to connect to the CARBUFFS conference for quite 
	some time, I have no ideal how to check an announcement on 
	TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES, if the node address has changed or the 
	host node is differnt for carbuffs, and anyone knows what it is 
	could you post it so I can update my entry

	Thanks SteveT.

    In answer to my own question, the carbuffs file should be modified to:
    
    	SET ENTRY CARBUFFS/FILE=SCAACT::CARBUFFS
    as teh seems some trouble on thier end
    
    	Steve T.

If you truly have no idea how to check out an announcement in
TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES, how do you manage to read notes at all?  
Refer to note 1.5 and also 1.13 in that conference for tips - please also
read other replies to that topic.

					Steve

	To be honest Steve, I did'nt realize that you were pointing me to 
	a conference, I thought I was looking for a public forum on node 
	Turris, once I re-read your note and smacked myself in the head, 
	it seemed quite obvious. Thanks for the sarcasm tho' its always nice 
	to get my blood flowing first thing in the morning ;-)

	SteveT.

Sarcasm was unintentional.  I was seriously bewildered.

				Steve

I requested the misc.consumers FAQ questions and threw them on hndymn.

There isn't a lot of info - unless of course you want to enter the debate over
the Rainbow Vacuum cleaners!

Brian J. 	http://hndymn.zko.dec.com/hndymn.html

The Family Handyman runs a very active HANDYMAN forum on CompuServe.  I am
not sure if the AOL forum I referred to earlier is still around (I don't see
references to it in the magazine anymore.)

				Steve

    ]I'm looking for the Woodworking and Tools notesfile.  Anyone
    have a pointer?  Does this notesfile still exist?
    
    Thanks.
    
    Judie

    <SELECT> / <KP7> and all that jazz...