Conference rdvax::grateful

    No mistake its on CNN according Don Mitchell.

    A coworker just came by to say he heard that news on WGIR...
    
    gary

    oh god........

    
     Someone just called me and told me the same thing.
    
    I hope its not true!
    
     Divide Dave

    the local news here in SF said that he was found this morning in a 
    residential treatment program in Marin county.  still no details, but 
    who give a f***.  today the music died.....
    
    -jer

    Oh my God... no way...
    
    I'm completely stunned....
    
    

    CNN quoted the Marin County Sheriff's office.  They say he died of
    "natural causes" at a treatment and rehab center in Marin, but didn't
    name the place.
    
    It's not the years, but the miles, as they say.
    
    jim

Major Bummer...  
A friend just called me up with the news.  Apparent heart attack
found about 4:30 this morning CPR attempted but no go.

There was some mention of drug rehab, but I didn't quite get 
all the details.

Sigh...

RIP Jer, you will be sorely missed.  Not just a great guitarist
but a bright and funny guy...

PeterT

    The word from CNN is that he died this morning of natural causes while
    in a Marin drug treatment center.  A heart attack or stroke.
    
    

     ,  Heard about it on WZLX.....same story as CNN....I'm numb
    
                    :-(

wow!
i'm stunned.
speechless.
deb just told me.
shit.

    
    
    No words....
    
    Just tears....
    
    
    :-(
    
    

Hmmm, some folks were planning on going to the Regaency tomorrow for
Mikey.  Anybody want to combine it with a wake for Jer?

Just an idle thought, life goes on...

i don't wanna be at work anymore.
incredible.

    Just heard on the radio here in Ottawa, this file confirms it...shit
    waz hoping it was a mistake by the radio station. 
    
    That's it for the band...the movement...the music.
    
    Was lookin' forward to the Garden shows
    
    :-{
    
    

	The Nando Times is carrying an AP story on it in the national news
section (http://www2.nando.net/nt/nation/).  No details other than what's
already been reported here.

:(
Mark

    Just heard it from someone also, 
    

    This is just a huge downer.

    even though I'm settin here cryin...we gotta accept this. Death is part
    of life. We should rejoice in what we had...play tapes, talk about the
    goodtimes..not the bullshit that has been the focus these last couple
    of months (years). As soon as I can get outa here I'm gonna go get
    drunk and play tapes.......
    
    
    rfb

    :( :( :(
    
    oh no....

Well, after sifting through the enormous amounts of mail that I was 
greeted with, I just don't see myself being very productive today.
God bless Jerry for all the joy he's brought to our lives.

klausing

    
    Anyone want to leave and meet me NOW.  I am bummin to no end. 
    
    
    Mark
    

    In my head I hear Jerry singing Black Peter and Oh how so apropo it is
    today.  We all think we invincible until reality shocks the truth back
    into our minds.  
    
    May God bless you Jerry.  I can only give you my prayers and gratitude
    for touching my life and my soul.
    

     That was meant to be a :^(
    
    
    	:^(
    

    dropping in to express my shock.  work will be tough.
    
    DougO

    
    	May god bless Jerry Garcia. 
    
    	Love is real...NOT FADE AWAY!
    
    	and his memory surely will not...
    
    :`( TL
    

    Unreal...Chris fields is here in my cube, so he can see this too...we
    were hangin at lunch, I went over to DCU, a guy came up and told me,
    and Chris came by seconds later....Julie had called him to tell him...
    
    we were both standing in the hallway lokkin' around like ????  what,
    the guy that told me was like "hey yer stunned"...what a drag...
    
    well, I guess Chris and I saw the Last Garden show after all....who was
    to know....I echo rfb...Death is Life....Jerry is in a better place
    than us, or at least I believe it...he's already lookin' down on us all
    bummin' out, but he's happy...
    
    believe it if you need it

    "You need music," Garcia once said. "I don't know why; it's
           probably one of those Joe Campbell questions, why we need
    ritual.
           We need magic, and bliss, and power, myth, and celebration and
           religion in our lives, and music is a good way to encapsulate a
           lot of it."

Deane and I were just about to leave the car and go into the Chinese
restaurant for lunch when we heard it on a radio station.  It sounded like
a joke, so we changed stations.  Then we heard it again.  We met Tom
Westervelt in the restaurant and were able to talk about it and grieve.

It will hit harder in the coming days.  But time heals all wounds, and we
have tapes, ticket stubs, and memories to last a lifetime.

RIP Jerry.

    
    
       I agree with earlier reply saying how we should look on 
    the positive aspects of his life. His voice and guitar will
    live forever. He enjoyed his life to the highest level and
    gave & got the most out of it. He was an extraordinary 
    musician who touched millions of lives with his heart, soul,
    emotions, and feelings. We should be grateful.
       I'm sure right now he's talking with Brent,Jimi,Janis,John,
    and all the others. Hopefully, he's a got a smile on his face.
      R.I.P. Jerry 
                              Clark
    
                                                 

    it's true.......
    
     Catch you in the sunsets
     see you in a smile
     hear you in the wind 
     miss you in my heart
    
     RIP Jerry..

    
    Its hard but like its been said we have to be thankfull for what we
    were given!
    
     Rest in peace Jerry
    
     Divide Dave

      Rock Icon Jerry Garcia Dies at Age 53
  
          NOVATO, Calif. (AP) _ Jerry Garcia, the master guitarist whose
   band the Grateful Dead symbolized the 1960s counterculture and
   remained a top concert draw three decades later, died today at a
   drug treatment center. He was 53.
          No cause of death was immediately given.
          He was found at 4:23 a.m. by a counselor at Serenity Knowles, a
   residential treatment center for drug addiction, said Dan Murphy of
   the Marin County sheriff's office.
          A nurse attempted CPR, and sheriff's department staff who were
   summoned also failed to revive him, Murphy said.
          The Grateful Dead, with its roots in the Bay Area's psychedelic
   scene of the 1960s, combined rock, bluegrass and folk influences
   into a unique stew. Garcia was lead guitarist, composer and
   vocalist.
          Among the band's best known songs were ``Truckin','' ``Casey
   Jones,'' and ``Friend of the Devil.'' Its only top 10 hit was the
   1987 song ``Touch of Grey,'' with its refrain ``I will survive.''
   But the Dead was almost more a way of life than a band to the
   thousands of ``Deadheads,'' many of whom followed the group from
   concert to concert.
          The band has been the most popular act in the United States,
   grossing tens of millions of dollars each year.
          ``You need music,'' Garcia once said. ``I don't know why; it's
   probably one of those Joe Campbell questions, why we need ritual.
   We need magic, and bliss, and power, myth, and celebration and
   religion in our lives, and music is a good way to encapsulate a lot
   of it.''
          The bearded, rotund Garcia had a history of health problems that
   caused frequent breaks in the Dead's grueling concert schedule. In
   1986, he entered the hospital in a diabetic coma.
          He also has admitted past drug abuse.
          Garcia slimmed down, stopped smoking and hired a personal
   fitness trainer after falling ill with exhaustion in 1991.
          In recent years, Garcia also developed a line of colorful
   neckties.
          But the years of constant touring took its toll.
          ``It was a meltdown. Too many cigarettes, too much junk food and
   too little exercise,'' band spokesman Dennis McNally said last
   year.
          McNally was unavailable for immediate comment today.

    I feel like I lost a family member. 
    
    Things will never be the same again.
               
    Thank god I lived to experience it.  Count your blessings.  Most people 
    have no idea what they've missed.  
    
    
    

anyone wanna meet at the RAGEncy tonight?

 Hi folks...thought I'd pop in an pass along my condolences.  Sad indeed.





 Jim

    Just got a call from Mark Nelson.  Says he's at the Horseshoe Pub
    in Hudson MA. w/Jay and Chris mourning and would like to know if anyone 
    else is interested.
    
    Pete
    

    Well, I haven't been following the Dead for all that long.
    Rich Fromm got me to go to my first show this summer at
    Highgate.  I've had lots of friends playing tapes for as
    long as I can remember, too.
    
    Anyway, referring to .35, I consider myself lucky to have
    gotten the chance to see the group.  Things will never be
    the same again in that area, and I am glad I got to 
    experience it!  It was certainly a mind-opening experience,
    to be sure.  I've been reading this notesfile over Rich's
    shoulder for a couple of years now, and I'm sure everyone
    reading this will sorely miss Jerry.  Just remember that
    he was able to touch new people (like me) until the very 
    end-- isn't that the most important part of music?
    
    My condolences...
    -Scott

    JUST SAW A GREAT WEIR/WASSERMAN AND THE BAND SHOW
    LAST NIGHT IN CENTRAL PARK AND TO WAKE UP TO THIS ITS  UNBELIEVABLE   E
    

    
 The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to   
 live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirious of everything at the 
 same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but 
 burn, burn, burn.....				                     
							Jack Kerouac 
    

    I just talked to Jeff Ceparski, and he said that tonight's
    Weir/Wasserman show at the Hampton Beach Casino is still on!
    It will be a tribute to Jerry.

Sigh...  Now I'll never get a chance to take my kids to a Dead show.
For some reason this song has been running through my head for a 
while, so I thought I'd share it with you.  Don't know if it will
help, but it might put some things in perspective

Let The Mystery Be  (Iris DeMent)

Chorus:
Everybody is wonderin' what and where they all came from
Everybody is worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go 
When the whole thing's done
But no one knows for certain
And so it's all the same to me
I think I'll just let the mystery be

Some say once gone you're gone forever
And some say you're gonna come back
Some say you rest in the arms of the Savior
If in sinful ways you lack
Some say they're comin' back in a garden
Bunch of carrots and little sweet peas
I think I'll let the mystery be

Chorus

Some say they're goin' to a place called Glory
And I ain't sayin' it ain't a fact
But I've heard that I'm on the road to purgatory
And I don't like the sound of that
I believe in love and I live my life accordingly
But I choose to let the mystery be

Chorus



If you caught the last Northern Exposure a few weeks ago, Iris's was the 
closing song, "Our Town"

I believe that "Let The Mystery Be" was a song in the movie Little Buddha


Peace all,
PeterT

    Got to see my first show at the Boston Garden in the fall of 1993.  
    Thanks Glenn for the tickets!  It was a great show.  I'm glad I got
    to see him in person.  It's a sad feeling but at the same time I know
    I can put in a tape or CD and still enjoy his presence!

    Kevin

                             
    Peace to all of you.
                       
    We were so lucky to be a part of this phonomenon.  It's odd that none
    of us probably would have really known eachother if it wasn't for a
    bunch of musicians experimenting with LSD in the sixties.  He's gone,
    but the music will never stop.   
    
    I've been inundated with phone calls for the past hour from not-online 
    deadheads looking for someone to talk to and looking for the company of 
    other deadheads *tonight*.

    I haven't felt this way since Lennon died.  Adam and Deane told 
    me at lunch and I haven't felt the same since.  Scott (.38)
    I identify... I'm a veteran of 1 show... but oh am I glad
    I had that moment.  I wish I would have had many more.  My
    brief tenure has touched me in ways I couldn't have anticipated.
    Now this.

    Tom

    I just heard. I have not even read all 40+ replies.
    
    RIP, Jerry.
    
    I'm glad for the many years you played; I'm glad for the many many
    times you brightened up my day; I'm glad that you were a part of my -
    our - lives for so long.
    
    I'll miss you a lot.
    
    ...mike

    ps. I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Wes & Chris
    for getting me into the final show at the Garden. 

    Tom

    re: 13: I'll still be there.
    
    A little subdued, but I'll be there.
    
    
    ...mike

    Usually read only, but needed to write.
    
    May his spirit and what he stood for live on.
    
    Rest In Peace Jerry.
    
    GSI
    

    I just deleted note .49 referring to Golden Gate park.  Evidently, it
    was an "erroneous report" and the SF police are concerned about large
    crowds.
    
    -jer

	I ended up going out to my car and putting in a tape
	and driving to a "nice" spot to listen...

	as ever, the Grateful Dead mysterious magic pervades...
	the very first song I started up in the middle of
	was Terrapin "storyteller has no choice...soon you
	will not hear his voice..." ahhhh the healing power
	of words and music and tears...

	the tape happens to be of my very first show in '73...
	almost one whole side is Dark Star and a very beautiful
	one...the leaves fluttered in the breeze to the music...
	the ripples of the brook reflected in a dance on the
	trees...oh, it hurts so to know I'll never hear those
	sounds live again...what I have on tape I'm glad to know
	will always bring a smile...even today.

	hardly any vocals on the side...until the end... the
	very last words "shall we go?  you and I while we can?
	...through the transitive nightfall of diamonds..."


Debess	

    
    
     Just got back from lunch with RFB and Tom, had a good talk and a more
    than a few memories shared.
    
     Thank you Jerry for all the good times.
    
    
     Divide Dave

    According to WZLX, Dennis McNally had no idea Jerry admitted himself
    to the drug treatment center.  He thought that Jerry was in Hawaii...
    
    :(:(:(  It still hasn't hit me completely....

    >> I just deleted note .49 referring to Golden Gate park.  Evidently,
    >> it was an "erroneous report" and the SF police are concerned about
    >> large crowds.
    >>
    >>    -jer
    
    This was announced on the radio anyway...something about a memorial
    being held at Golden Gate park this afternoon

My phone's been going nuts too.

just off the phone with Scott Wentzell in Maine.
he says Peace to All.
he's thinking of us.

    Tower Records on Newbury Street, Boston, is having a candlelight vigil
    right now.
    
    Deane Park in Shrewsbury will be having a candlelight vigil (I didn't
    hear all of details, it either said until 10:00 p.m. or at 10:00 p.m.)

    
    I can't get tickets to Weir/Wasserman so I'll probably head into Boston
    with a couple friends to mellow out for a while near Tower Records.
    
    Apprarently there are quite a few people already there.

    Can't believe I'm one of the last to check in.  Just got off the phone
    with Phyllis.  She's beside herself, the way the rest of us are. 
    Non-heads from work have been stopping by to make sure that I'm OK (see
    that 60's spirit can live on!).
    
    This news is also hitting like with Lennon.  We all have a communal
    feeling of love for Jerry and to think that if it wasn't for da boyz we 
    (the DEChead community) wouldn't have met or shared so many wonderful 
    times together.
    
    This is not a Spinal Tap moment - it's real and I don't want to belive
    that this is happening.
    
    When I get home tonight - I'm putting on my Roosevelt Stadium '74 tape. 
    My first show and a doozy it was.  
    
    Peace be with you Jerry.
    
    
    Fredda

    Just heard that Bobby will be holding a press conference in a little
    while.  I know that WBZ will be carrying it not sure what other
    stations or at exactly what time.

    I'm outta here....I feel really sad and it's hard to work.
    
    WZLX will be hosting a Jerry tribute from 7:00 p.m. - midnight tonight.

    fwiw, I just called Shrewsbury Police to find out details about the
    candlelight vigil at Dean PArk...they know about it, but don't have any
    details...
    
    ?

my mom died almost exactly a year ago.. ..it woke me up to some things.
this is a lot to handle, but it was coming.  time to wake up.

    Yes, this does feel rather like the day Lennon died. That emptiness
    when someone you had subconciously thought would always be there isn't.
    
    I went out at lunchtime to get some air. Turned on the news and the
    Christian Science Monitor was playing "Truckin'".
    
    Before my first show, various people had been telling me "you have to
    go to a Dead show". I had listened to some of the albums. Couldn't see
    what the fuss was about. I can't explain exactly what it was that made
    the shows such a grate time, but I do know that you can't find it on
    CDs, tapes, videos unless you've been there at least once.
    
    It is sad to think that no one will be able to make that discovery
    again.
    
    gary

>    It is sad to think that no one will be able to make that discovery
>    again.

    Boy, is that ever the truth.


    Tom

Deb just gave me an idea.


i know it is not quite the right time to bring this up, but, something
to think about.

she suggested that perhaps we should plan a dechead camping trip
during the weekend of the proposed boston shows to just hang out,
listen to the dead, and reflect.

if people are game, reply here.
for some reason, the worries of work are secondary today.
i'll be listening.
i know an excellent place to go in mid-NH that can accomodate a group.

    
    Hey jc,
      I was thinkin about having everyone down to RI for a get together 
    beach weekend.  I'll follow up later.
    
    	Mark

    I always knew that some day that I would have to come to deal with the 
    Death Of Jerome Garcia. I can honestly say it sucks. I also feel an
    intense desire to go to the Syracuse War Memorial and put a flower nect
    to the auditorium if it is even still there. Even since that day I feel
    like Jer has been a bro and a friend. I'm going home and cranking
    
    He was a friend of mine
    

    Mostly don't note here.  Mostly wear fairly nerdy clothes to work.
    
    Believe I'll wear tie-dye tomorrow.
    
    Chuck

there's been talk of a RAGEncy gathering tomorrow.
any interest in coming to our home in groton?  bring a
six pack or whatever and we can listen to tapes...
just an idea... 


came home by 745pm tonight, popped in a tape, cranked it
very loud, and just danced like a madman all over the downstairs
of our house for 30 mins or so..... so sad...

    A message from Europe.
    
    I saw the Dead only 4 times (1 in '81, 3 in '91), all in London.
    The shows were great, I will never forget them. I recently
    joined Digital, found this conference, planned a trip to the US to
    see some shows (if I could get some tickets), and then this. I heard
    on the BBC nine o'clock news last night and was devastated. You know
    its coming, but hope that it never will. I know none of you but my
    thoughts are with you all. WE will survive...
    
    Richard. 
    

	Woke up today to the wife telling me the bad news  8-(
	Oh God it can't be true...

	The day the music died...
	
	I was hoping to see the boys again this fall (87 was my last show)
	I'll always have the memories & the music to remind me what a
	beautiful person Jerry was...  I echo the sadness of noone being
	able to "discover" the scene.... 8-(

	I heard Black Muddy River (Worc 87) on ZLX on the way in
	can't get the tune outta my head and don't want too...

	In Death there is life.... noone is truly gone as long as
	their memory lives on in the hearts/souls/minds of others

	Rest in Peace  Jerry thanks for being in my life...

	

	Peace,

	Toby

	It's the next day.
	I'm here.
	I don't want to be.
	
	|-(
	`
	peace,
	
	

Well, I found out in the paper this morning -- front page. Yesterday I was too busy to listen to the radio, watch
the news, . . . I can't believe it.

My son introduced me to the Dead with his multitude of tapes and excited descriptions of concerts. I'd never been
to one, and last summer, he decided that it was important "for part of my education" that I go to a concert. So,
for a grad present to me [for finishing my master's] my then-19-year-old-son stood in line to get a wristband,
stood in line to get tickets, and took me to Highgate '94, explaining everything going on, what song was next,
what to listen for, watch for, ...  I/we had a wonderful time -- both the concert and the joy of having him as my
"date".

When my son was 16 and explaining why he needed to do summer tour, I remember he said "Mom, Jerry is going to die,
'cause he doesn't take care of himself, and I need to get to all the concerts I can while he's still alive." He
got to 4 concerts that summer, more since. I'm glad that he did.

    Does anybody still want to go to the Regency tonite? Much as I would
    like to see y'all one more time, I have been so down since yesterday
    afternoon that I'd almost rather just slink out of town unnoticed...
    
    "going to leave this brokedoen palace
    On my hands and knees I will roll, roll, roll..."
    
    ...mike
    

    
    My work deadlines say i can't go to Bartletts pond but wondered if 
    any zko heads feel like surfacing at lunchtime - grab a sandwich
    or whatever and meet at the picnic tables in front of ZKO1 around
    noonish?  For me it's important to be around people who understand.
    
    carol 
    

re      <<< Note 471.76 by WECARE::ROBERTS "climb a ladder to the stars" >>>
                          -< zko heads lunch today?  >-

>For me it's important to be around people who understand.
 
definitely.
man, i wish all of us could gather today.


again, i'm up for the Ragency.
We can start there, and if there's interest, go to my house in groton
to listen to tapes and trade stories of all the good things the dead
brought to your life...........

deb and i both had tears in our eyes.
it is not often that i get tears...,..................

so sad.

i'm wearing cutoffs (jeans) and a dye today in honor.    

I'm up for the Regency or JC's or both.  Can't hang too long as I've got the 
kids to put to sleep, but should be able to get there shortly after 5 and
hang at least till 7.  Got other luncheon plans today so won't be able to 
do the other gatherings...

PeterT

	i'd like to still do the ragency thang. then maybe jc's.

    Today, for once, I thought about which t-shirt I was going to wear to
    work....big picture of Jerry on the back. I thought I had cryed all my
    tears out last nite, until I saw the Vegas bumper sticker on my
    dresser this morning that has never made it to a car....
    
             Jerry Garcia my vote for President in 1996....
    
    with his picture on it, grey hair blowing in the breeze.
    Then they started falling again. I need to call people, but
    I still can't talk on the phone about this. Thanks to all that have
    called me or sent mail, sorry I couldn't speak. 
    
    Tom Lawlor, Divide Dave and myself hung out with non-dechead deadheads 
    all afternoon yesterday...that helped alot. Then a few of us went to
    one of the Shakeheads house for a small wake, but I couldn't stay too
    long...just couldn't. Went home and Patty and I hugged and cryed 
    for what seemed like hours. I finally had to take a sleeping pill to
    mellow out. Some 11 oclock news program last nite had a special on Jerry,
    something about Crosby being on it, but I couldn't take anymore, so
    Patty slapped a tape in the VCR...I didn't even want to watch it this
    morning...
    
    here i go again.....

I'd like to make it Carol but I have an appointment during lunchtime....

bob

Can't make it to Barlett Pond, I'm busy packing up my office and then the
lab for the Big Move to NIO tomorrow.  _might_ be able to make it to the
Regency tonight.

Josh

    Just checking in for a few minutes - then its home for more recoup.
    
    Bobby rocked the house last night!! Even sang Knockin' On Heavens Door!
    
    Everyone take care these next few days - I'll be thinking of you all.
    
    Throwing Stones last night - the chorus at the end was sung by Bobby
    like this: "Poppa's Gone - We Are On Our Own" 
    
    Very emotional show for Bob lasyt nite as you can all imagine.

    i was in the lot at the casino last night jeff
    and there are tears in my eyes as i write this
    it hurts....bad.
    
    groove on fat guy..
    you always rocked and you always will
    
    christopher a leblanc

	.... although I'm :-( :-( :-(  I know that 
	there's nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)
	

	and listen, and remember


	RIP Jerry,

			Steve

    outa here, had enough under the circumstances...I need a beer.
    
    oh to see the fat man one more time.....
    
    
    rfb

      Yup, there's an ache in my heart.  Not many people represent a
      whole culture!  Seemed like such a gentle soul.
    
      One guy who also left much too young that was not mentioned 
      was Lowell George...
    
    						Tony

    Yeah, Jerry and Lowell together playing in God's all star band.
    Something to look forward to when we leave this life.
    
    I only hope to God the Dead dont pull a FEATS and get some loser (or
    two losers, however they many think it will take) to replace the MAN.  
    Little Feat proved to me how wrong they were to even try. 
    
    Seeing the show at Club Casino last night confirmed everything.  It lacked.
    And that's good...We need to appreciate whats missing.  It needs to be
    so obvious we never forget. 
    
    And I never will.  The Grateful Dead was as much you and me as
    it was the band.  Thats what makes the Dead so special.  Most of
    my real friends are deadheads.  You're more my friends than many people
    I know (especially those a-holes that call me friend and laugh at my
    despair, f- 'em), yet I know none of you.   IMHO, true deadheads are the 
    best people in the world.  Jerry brought us all together.  Now its up
    to us.
    
    Long live the memories.
    
    j
    
    
          
    

    I agree...
    
    its like being in a bad haze that you can't get out of, this will take
    a while to pass.
    
    long live the memories and the grate-music that brought us together for
    whatever reason or reasons. 
    
    sean.
    

    
    
         I was in utter disbelief at first, yesterday when I got
    in(12:30pm) to work. Everyone was asking me if I heard about
    Jerry (I wouldn't have known because all I listen to in the 
    car are my Dead tapes). Then I got into the notes file......
    
         Let me tell you....it hit me like a ton of steel. I broke
    down right then and there and it took all I had to keep my
    composure (little that did). My supervisor was kind and under-
    standing and let me have the day off.
    
         Sooo......I BLASTED the tunes all the way home...sought
    comfort from my dear friend Gail (who loves the music but has
    never been to a show)...the news saddened her as well....then
    went home and taped whatever I could from the various info
    stations. My two cats knew something was up and they did their
    best help me.
    
         And while I was sittng there, dumbfounded, it occurred to
    me.....Jerry wouldn't have wanted it this way....sure, be saddened
    by OUR loss but don't dwell on it too long. Be glad and rejoice
    that he has departed this life and is in a far better world than
    we could ever imagine. At least that's what I keep telling my
    friends to do when I pass on.....
    
         I'm over the big one now and just dealing with the little
    aftershocks...
    
    
         "Goin' home...goin' home....by the waterside I will rest
    my bones.....listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my
    soul...."
    
    Fare thee well Jerry.......
    
    
    Allenhead
    

	When I heard the news, I was devastated that Mr. Jerry
	passed on. I kept singing to myself Dark Star, as the
	tears streamed my face.  Later, when I could talk about
	I called some friends, and shared our pain. 

	Hours later, we all decided to go to the Supermarket and 
	buy up all the Cherry Garcia, and save it forever in our 
	freezer.

	Last night I decided to use up all my vacation time and head 
        out west, I suddenly feel drawn to commune with his spirit.
        To me he was the grandfather I never had. Don't let the music
        die good Lord. May Jer have peace and substance to carry him 
        to the greatest love concert there is. 

                                                Peace my friends,

                                                             Brian 

    I've got no words to say ... Jerry is unique ... 
    My pain is huge ... 
    
    God bless you Jerry.  You will be forever in our hearts.
    
    Donato
    

    Just brought in the BOOM_BOX and blastin' some DEAD tunes, should make
    the day pass that much easier...and I'm also wearing my first DEAD
    t-shirt that I picked up at my first show....a belated Buffalo '86.
    
    "If you get confused just listen to the music play"
    
    sean.
    
    
    

	when i went to austria in 1992, i had the opportunity to visit
a concentration camp.  very sad indeed, but one thing that really struck
me was the birds that always seemed to fly over that place. i took it as
the spirit of the people who died there.  strange enough, while eating
breakfast this morning, i heard a lot of commotion outside.  i walk to
my front door and there must have been 200+ birds on my lawn and in the
nearby apple tree.  they were making a racket!  i called deb and the
birds scattered when they heard my voice.  just moved on a little bit, you
could still hear them.... to me, this was jerry's spirit passing by....
saying goodbye.......... i stood there numb......having remembered the
mass #s of birds in austria.

peace alway Jerry & thanks for giving us so much of yourself

jeff

    perusing these notes i have seen many nodes that are unfamiliar....
    we *ALL* should get together and set our minds at ease sometime
    in the near future.....     writers and read onlys
    west coast trip to a tribute show in the works?
    i am there......                                  

    re: .-1: I'll be there. Thanks for all you folks who stopped by last
    nite at the Regency, as well... it helped.
    
    The realness of this didn't hit me until this morning, when I MOSAIC'ed
    over to one of the Websites, and scrolled through the thousands of
    messages from ordinary folks and US Senators, junkies and governors,
    all wishing Jerry well...
     
    I'll be outta here this P.M. but should be back online about Wednesday.
    Any 'head who comes thru Albuquerque please stop by. 
    
    Mike
    (505)266-1254
        

    
    Very glad to see the read-only folks coming out.  Were all in this
    together.  

    Grate to finally meet you yesterday Mike...that's what this is all
    about, good music, good people...
    
    be safe on yer travels...
    
    Wes

    Thought I'd add my $.02 here; I used to be quite active in this
    conference but have become mostly read-only lately. Sort of in
    parallel with my involvement with the Dead and the scene. Since
    my third kid was born I've been out of touch. So when I heard that
    Garcia died it took a while to really hit me. Even though I don't
    see a lot of Dead shows anymore (or any other shows for that matter)
    the Dead have made a tremendous impact on my personal and 
    professional life. As a statistician, I try to approach every
    problem the way the Dead played a song; as a rough framework
    within which to improvise, with the best work always coming
    in spontaneous bursts of inspiration. Deciding to approach
    problems this way was a concious effort on my part based on
    what I'd seen the Dead do. This same philosophy results in
    a disdain for monthly reports and an utter disgust for job
    plans (I don't have a direction; I'm going whichever way
    the wind blows!). One of the things I've always admired most
    about the Dead is that they never had goals or milestones
    or any of that stuff; they simply went in whatever direction 
    felt right at the time. In the process they became far more 
    successful than any goal-oriented band. Somewhere in there is
    a lesson for corporate America :-)

    I'm not sure what, if anything, I have to contribute to this string, 
    other than to add that I will also miss the big guy. 
    
    I haven't seen a Dead show in ages, and now I won't have that opportunity 
    in the future. Damn. I saw them a few times in tbe late 70's, the best
    memories being of the show at Umass, Amherst w/ Patti Smith as the opening
    act. You probably couldn't have picked a stanger combo if you tried, but 
    somehow it was perfect. They were both doing exactly as they pleased with 
    little regard for whatever emphemeral bullshit happened to be in vogue. 
    That's one of the main reasons that I always respected the band and Jerry 
    Garcia as an artist.
    
    Since those days I've subsisted on the occasional live tape passed along 
    by a good friend from Oakland who estimates that he's seen the band
    somewhere around 80 times. Whew. My favorite songs were always Jerry's;
    "Stella Blue", "Row Jimmy", etc., etc. His voice, even when it was
    less-than-perfect (a have tapes from the 80's where it was little
    more than a croak), was still somehow sweet and soulful. And his
    guitar playing was instantly recognizeable, expressive and ultimately
    addictive. Those two unmistakeable elements are what have made me 
    return again and again to these largely uneven and often muffled 
    cassettes.

    It seems to get worse everyday.  I cant not dwell on it.  And I cant take
    being here much longer today.  I gotta leave and soon.  Is there
    someplace where NE decheads are planning to come together?
    
    j
       

    
    I'm so happy to see so many read_only people dropping in to write.
    You make us all feel better - we all can help each other. thank you.
    
    carol

      Well, since you guys want to hear from read-onlies too, I'd
      like to share my one experience where I actually saw Garcia
      talk live.
    
      The Dead played on Tom Snyder perhaps 15 years ago.  After
      they played, Snyder talked to Jerry and exclaimed that he
      was really thankful that the Dead were willing to accomadate
      their small surroundings.  He said all other rock bands just
      blasted him right out of there!
                                                    
      Jerry said something to the effect that he really was thankful
      to have the oppurtunity to play in such an intimate setting;
      how nice it was to play all accoustic.
    
      He really came off as such a nice guy and a real gentle soul.
      Totally unpretentious.
    
      						Tony

    Im a RON. But heck, Im in here almost everyday.  Its a major source of 
    entertainment for me (now if the boss reads this Im in trouble).  Thank 
    God for this conference, especially now...Besides anything Id ever want
    to say, has already been said better than I could ever say it (see what
    I mean).
    
    Anyway, Im hopefully getting with friends tonite so we can bum out as a
    group.  Listen, talk and party way too much.  And I still want
    to know who out there plans on hooking up.  Ill be leaving soon.
    
    My dtn 264-4304 x7814.  Home 603-429-2735.  By the way, my name is
    jeff.  Nice to meet you.
    
    

    Jeff, welcome...
    
    Wes

    For some reason this day is a very hard one for me.  I was counting
    on getting to a spot where i could hear a phrase or think of a show
    and not tear up.  it's not happening yet.  I still have this need
    to peel off some pain.
    
    This poem by Edwin Markham doesn't really apply to the read onlys 
    but I think it says a lot about the love and acceptance one can 
    experience within the Dead culture
        			
    				Outwitted
	         
    		heretic! rebel! a thing to flount
	    	he drew a circle and shut us out
    		but love and we had the wit to win
   		we drew a circle and took him in
                          

    couple of comments from last nites mourning...
    
    "He's probably looking down laughing at all of this saying "Come on,
    I'm not that big of a deal!" "
    
    "Dan (Hoot) Gibson and Jerry are probably looking and pointing at each
    other saying "Hey! You look just  like me"!!!" (Hoot was often mistaken
    for Jerry at shows, they looked *TOO* much alike!!!BTW, for those of
    you who remember, Hoot died the *SAME WAY AS JERRY*. heart attack in a
    hospital...there's another Hoot (dans brother)that attended almost all
    shows with us, just to clear up the confusion factor there)
    
    RE:For some reason this day is a very hard one for me.  I was counting
        on getting to a spot where i could hear a phrase or think of a show
        and not tear up.  it's not happening yet.  
    
    It'll be a long time for me, Carol...Hang in there, and even though I'm
    one of the biggest crybabies on this you'll ever see, gotta keep
    thinkin of the good times the fat man gave us.....
    
    two nonheads just came and gave me a hug, so here i go again....     
    
    
    rfb

	From another read-only who was hit hard on wednesday..
    
	Yesterday I wanted to wear my tie-dye; but I had a first-ever meeting
with my (prospective) new boss's boss, up at corporate. So I dressed straight.
About 1/2 way through our talks, we were walking by a newsrack, with uncle
Jerry on the front page. My new boss's boss started reminiscing about his
favourite Dead concerts and songs..... I did the same.... it was good.
    
        It's also very good to have this conference to reminisce and share
    the loss with all of you. Thanks. And if there are any other DECheads in 
    NIO (Salem, NH), stop by pole O15 sometime for a cup of tea... I'm the 
    one wearing the DEChead T-shirt today :^).


      "Comes a time.... when the blind man takes your hand, says: 

	 Don't you see? Gotta make it somehow.... 
         on the dreams you still believe. 

 		Don't give it up; you got an empty cup....
 		Only love can fill."
  
    
-chuck
    
             

    I mostly only note when I'm looking for something...  T-shirts 
    tapes, information about shows/events, or to communicate with 
    someone.  Well, I'm needing something again.  I need solace from 
    kindred spirits.  E-mail and phone calls from non-DEChead 'Heads
    have helped...  But *so* many people are somewhat amused by the 
    reaction of people who were into the 'Dead.  Dammit, my bereavement 
    is real....  But they just don't get it.  That's why your presence 
    has helped me.  

    	That's the incredible thing coming out of all this - "outsiders"
    paying their regards to me. My phone was ringing off the hook yesterday
    from family members and non-head friends just calling to say how sorry 
    they were to hear the news and if there's anything they can do....
    
	Really helped ease some of the horror. Thanks to everyone that has
    taken the time to say a kind word to me about the whole situation.

    
    To quote something Debess said yesterday at lunch that made
    me feel a little better...
    
    "We just have to be so glad that we were alive when he was"
    
    I think this is so true.  I'm so sad and empty with the 
    reality of never again feeling that same kind of magic
    that rushed through my body and soul at a dead show...
    that feeling of belonging... the excitement... each time
    trying to absorb as much as I possibly could to get me 
    through the days ahead...  
    
    Being a head changed my life in a very powerful way.  A
    way I don't think I could ever put into words - at least
    the words would never come close to the extent of the 
    experience...  I was lacking something before I found them...
    and I was filling that void more and more with every
    experience, every show, every friendship...  
    
    I feel honored to have been a part of something so wonderful.
    
    I have found a bit of peace is Jerry's death in that he
    lived his life as he wanted to...  I intend to try to do 
    the same with my own...   
    
    IMO, if we could touch a fraction of the lives that Jerry did
    we will have far outdone our purpose on this earth.
    
    Peace & Love to all.
    
    MJ
    

    re:if we could touch a fraction of the lives that jerry did....
    
    amen........
    
    rfb

    I also heard from people who called to say they were sorry,
    it is nice not to hear any negative things at this time.
    
    I cannot wait to get out of here for the week....
    a very long week

    
    Here here.
      

    for any read-only colorado heads that may not already know...
    SHAKEDOWN STREET will be playing in honor of Jerry at Scooners In COlo
    SPgs this Sat nite...I've never been there and won't make it this 
    weekend, but Patty, Hoot, Tom n ROse and alot more COlorado heads will 
    be there....should be a sad but at the same time a joyous time too.
    I'm sure there will be lots of Jerry songs played.
    
    rfb

RE: .113 (MJ)

>    "We just have to be so glad that we were alive when he was"
>    
>    I think this is so true.  I'm so sad and empty with the 
>    reality of never again feeling that same kind of magic
>    that rushed through my body and soul at a dead show...
>    that feeling of belonging... the excitement... each time
>    trying to absorb as much as I possibly could to get me 
>    through the days ahead...  
 
	I agree that there was a special magic that rushed through body and soul
at Dead shows.  At the risk of being labeled a heretic, I have to believe that a
magic that could touch us all so strongly must transcend any single living
person.  Jerry was a great vector for the magic, and we'll all miss him.  We
musn't shut our hearts to other ways for the magic to reach us, though, for I
think in doing that we'd do ourselves and Jerry a cosmic disservice.  We need
time to greave, and to heal.  Then, we can look forward to the quest for the
magic in life.  It's got many guises, some of which we'll recognise, and others
we may not, but the ones we miss may show themselves to others.  We musn't stop
looking though.

	A few years ago I was having trouble with the death of someone very
close to me.  Marv MacIntyre posted something (94.861) which helped, and I'd
like to remind you all of it now.  "As we live beyond the time of ones we love,
the memories are all that remain so we cherish those memories all the more.  The
pain of grief is the twin sister to the joy of rememberances.  We can decide for
ourselves which sister to commune with."

Mark

  I'm only an intermittent reader of this conference...
  
  However, I've been a Dead fan since '74, when Dead albums & concert tapes
  were the house music on my dorm floor at Tufts.  An entire social scene
  coalesced around the Dead.  The Dead and related musical interests --
  among other things, I heard my first fusion-era Miles Davis with that
  crowd, which led to my reconnecting with jazz (then classical, then first
  connections with country, blues, and R&B...).
  
  A sometimes-reader of this conference got me to my first Dead show in the
  80s, since which I've been to about a dozen more.

  I share the feelings of pain and loss expressed by other noters.
  
  In addition to missing his friendliness, humor, and humility...
  And his singing and playing (including on steel guitar)...
  And the opportunities to introduce new friends and family to live Dead...

  I have to say something about his musical intelligence.  I always loved
  the musical sensibilities of the Dead, and their unique (which is not to
  say seamless) alchemy of R&B, country, blues, jazz, bluegrass, and more.
  But the more I explore and experience of music, the more I appreciate
  (specifically) Jerry Garcia's musical mind.
  
  If anyone out there missed the dual interview of Jerry Garcia and Elvis
  Costello in Musician magazine, consider seeking it out.  It's all there --
  whether its Charlie Parker or Art Tatum in jazz, or Clarence White in
  country and bluegrass, or any of his assorted rock and blues heroes...
  Jerry Garcia has wide open ears, recognizes something special when he
  hears it, and is *extraordinarily* articulate about it.  His sense of
  context and history, of what comes from what and connects up to what...  I
  probably miss him most for these qualities.
  
  But I have to marvel at (celebrate) how many people, like me, he affected
  with his musical instinct & intelligence.  I know I widened my horizons as
  a result of being part of that Dead-centric scene in college (happened to
  be losing interest in mainstream rock heroes at just that time...).

  And I keep bumping into people who I first met at Dead shows, at jazz, and
  blues, and bluegrass, and funk/rap, and alternative shows...     - Jay

    Mark and Jay.....right on....
    
    has anyone talked to Marv??
    
    rfb

    marv sounds like a very prophetic and tightly wrapped guy
    put his statement on the net as words for us as a community to live by

    I've never met Marv, but we talked for about a half an hour when we was
    TFSO'd........my perception of him is one of a grate and caring person. 
    
    rfb

    It's so interesting to remember the poeple and friends made through
    appreciation of the Dead.  I had friends calling me expressing their
    condolences as if it was a family member who died.  In some respects in
    was.  My friends called to thank me for introducing them to the Dead. I
    so enjoyed taking people who had never been to see the band to a show.
    I just wanted them to share in my enthusiasm and love of their love of
    their music.  Maybe its the shock of coming to grips with our own
    finality but the songs have a new poignancy and lyrics new meaning. 
    Last night I listened to Jerry singing Dylan's "I shall be released"
    and had a tear in my eye.  I don't know really know why the music of
    Jerry, and the Grateful Dead effected me so.  I heard Workingman's for
    the first time in 69 and became an instant convert.  To this day there
    is nothing I rather listen to.  I have tapes, CDs and videos to
    remember them by but I know that I'll never feel the same excitement.
    Maybe that's why I feel so sad.

    
    
         Hey, Carol!!! Take a look at .110......that's the song on
    side "B" of the tape I left for you last night....please listen
    to it and I hope you find some comfort and inspiration from it
    as I do (although I'm always teary eyed when I hear it).
    
    a.t.f.a.
    Allenhead
    
    p.s. That goes for John too ;^).
    

Yesterday, I was at a gas station. "Black Muddy River" was playing on my stereo
(as it has been, over and over and over lately).  A group of three tie-died
teens were just exiting the store as I was putting it in drive.  I watched one
of them, elated to hear what she was hearing, poking around to find the source.
As I rolled by, they waved and smiled appreciativly.  I wanted to stop right
there, get out, and thank them for being who they are.  It makes me so happy
to see young deadheads, there are so many other paths they cound have chosen,
and they chose love.  

I waved back, smiled even more appreciativly and yelled "Jerry lives on".

    
Keep on,
Steve

    
    Saw Glenn Inglass this weekend, he asked about everyone in here, and
    sent his love to all!
    
    He's doing ok except for the same shock and hurt that everyone else in
    here is suffering from!
    
    Divide Dave
    

    Very very sorry to hear of Jerry's death.  Great person and a great
    guitarist.  My thanks to all the great people here who helped me out
    with tapes over the years.
    
    Regards
    
    Dermot

a friend of mine saw this at the Winston Cup Race at Watkins Glen and
    writes: 
    

	At the recent Winston Cup race (at Watkins Glen in NY) some people 
        had made  very large sign and the camera got a good shot of it:

		     Alan, Davey, Neal
		     Take good care of
		          Jerry
    
    
    I guess these are guys who have died in reace car crashes

	I think one of 'em died in a 'copter crash.

> I think one of 'em died in a 'copter crash.

(Allison I think) crashed while in the pilot seat without his 4 pt. harness
attached -- death from head injuries that would not have happened if he had
worn the belt.  Strange thing for a race car driver to do... not wear a safety
harness.  His 'estate' lost their neglegence lawsuit against the helo company
because he didn't have it on.  Now where'd that seatbelt advocacy note go...? 


- jeff

	yeah, i think it was allison, too.
	
	but i didn't know the rest of the story.
	that is strange for a race driver to not wear a safety belt.

    did anyone actually hear what Clinton said about Jerry? a friend at
    first told me it was positive stuff, but then a non-head told me he
    actually did hear the radio spot and said "what a jerk Clinton is to
    say that"....so, anybody hear???
    
    rfb

    rfb
    thre was a blurb in the globe about it that said he and Chelsea talked
    about it and the conversation centered more around the fact that he was
    in a rehab hospital and not that he had heart failure...and then
    chelsea said something about alot of her friends being fans
    i guess willie likes the ties too......
    nothing too off color... 

    Basically, Billy said he likes the ties and "there is a lesson".
    I take it he doesn't think Jerry should have inhaled quite so
    much.

    Speaking of politicos, Bill Weld wrote a nice piece for this
    Sunday's Globe - saying he finally realizes he's not a teenager
    any more.

    Tom

    yeah that was a good one tom
    the part about lowering the flag kinda pissed me off tho.
    i guess those veterans that called and voiced there anti-jerry memorial 
    flag lowering forgot the fact that the boys kicked in $$$ to the pine
    street inn and the veterans shelter/hospice last time they were in town...
    put that in your pipe and smoke it

	i heard it wasn't the 'veterans' at all.
	the staties threatened a walkout.

    figures
    johnny rotten up to his old tricks again
    i am sure not too many of them were upset about the last week's events

geez, and how many staties made some nice overtime coin working at Dead 
shows over the years?!

When I hear things like Clinton (who I voted for) or whoever taking the 
high ground and saying, "there's a lesson here", I chuckled and recall the 
old phrase, "It's better to be quite and thought a fool than to open ones 
mouth and remove all doubt".

jeff

RE:  what Clinton said:

I was something like...

there's a lesson here.  don't live that lifestyle.....

he also said garcia was a great man and a genius...
but he says that about everybody...(all politicos do!)

bob

    Weld was quoted in the paper as saying his "half-staff" idea
    was a joke... whereas in California (or was it SF only) they
    really did lower the flags. (true?) Just one of the many difffs 
    between left and right coasts, I suppose.  But Bill sure
    sounded like he was backpedaling fast... always with the
    politics.

    frank jordan mayor of San Fran lowered the flag and released a
    statement..
    SF cops must not be nazis like the asses out here
                           

    thanks for clearin that up.....
    
    I heard second hand that there was a DJ in Denver saying negative
    things like "just another fat junkie" etc (again, I heard this second
    hand)..he is now suspended or undergoing diciplenary (butchered that
    spelling, eh?) action, again heard this all second hand......someone
    else suggested we tar and feather him and ride him outa town on arail
    like they used to in the cowboy days of Denver....but that's not what
    we are about
    
    so what if the staties walked in NE??? FIRE THE BASTARDS like the
    airtraffic controllers. 
    
    
    rfb

	well, more specifilcally it was the staties through the Mass
	Policeman's Association. the work stoppage alone would've caused
	problems for weld (personally, i don't think the cud've gone
	through with the threat) but i think it caused his gov'ness to
	think in terms of re-election and what the staties cud do then.
	hence, the backpeddling.
	
	and, i have no official source for this. biiyni, etc.

    
    WOW!
    
    That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a fair amount of time.
    
    So the cops would walk if the flags went to 1/2 mast....well, I
    say lower em now if thats the mentality.
    
    "YOU KNOW THE COPS DON'T NEED YOU AND WE ALL EXPECT THE SAME"
              

	i think dylan sings it:
	
	"you know the cops don't need you and man they expect the same"

    they expect the same huh?
    they act like asses..treat em like asses.....ASSES!

	careful.
	please be tolerant.
	from their perspective (this is not a justification) they fly the
	flag at half-mast when they lost a brother on the streets. In
	their minds, it lessens the meaning when you bestow the honor on
	a 'druggie'.  small mind mentality? sure. but I don't wish to
	judge anyone. 

    Some cops think a Dead sticker on my cars bumper is cause to pull me
    over...Get real.  So while they're hastling deadheads to cop the
    occasional bag of hooch and protesting to walk out over a memorial half
    staff, the real criminals rob, rape and murder uncontested. 
    
    Weld ought kick every one of there asses off the force.  Now he's like
    apologizing for it.  messed up world.
    
    

    
    Actually, I don't see why they should have their flags at half mast for
    this, despite how I feel about Jerry, I don't see that it is
    appropriate at all in this case.
    
    I *am* angry about all the talk show crap that I've heard about, where
    the hosts are all upset about people honoring Jerry and Mickey Mantle
    because of their "alcohol and drug abuse."  They refuse to give them
    credit for their accomplishments because of these "character flaws." 
    The media is finding fault with anyone who enters the public eye,
    anyone short of perfect is open for criticism.  
    
    For centuries, great people had their faults, but now it is not
    allowed.  Jerry was a great human being, and his life should be
    considered a great success.  I wish the "media" would recognize that.
    
    Hogan
    
    Hogan

    as always, we have lots o opinions in here, to each his own. Personnaly
    I didn't think it was appropriate for Nixon.......and I don't think it
    would be appropriate for Raygun either....but, hey, wadda *I* know!
    
    rfb

    Perhaps the flag thing wasnt appropriate.  Id agree.  But this "old junky" 
    reference to Jerry, if its true, has no place in the argument.  If you 
    object to some guy in the state house abusing priviledges, take it out on 
    him, not on Jerry.  It gives offense.
    
    Which leads to the deluge of talk show BS and Jerry jokes.  It happens.
    The human race has its share of brainless sh*tstains.  A lot of whom
    happen to be radio personalities.
    
     
      

I don't think it's appropriate to lower any federal or state flags for
this.  If the SF town hall wanted to fly the city flag (if they have one)
at half mast then that's fine.  Mind you, I'm not against lowering the flag
for this occasion, but I can foresee various groups protesting because if
you do it for Jerry then you gotta do it for just about everyone.

About Clinton, I saw his interview with Tabitha Soren on MTV.  The
interview was mainly about the anti-smoking thing that's going on in
society, but she slipped in a question about Jerry.  What he said, and what
was not mentioned here yet, is basically, it's a message to all people to
try to fix up their lives before it gets to the point where Jerry was.  He
wanted everyone to say to themselves "I'm not going to die that way, I'm
not going to die that way."

adam

	When I 1st heard about the Staties thing & started to
	think about Weld & the Politicos 'praising' Jerry
	for the votes etc.. it really pissed me off. But
	then I started thinking about "Ain't no time to hate"
	and Jerry wouldn't want it that way. If they can't
	understand what he means to millions of people that's
	THEIR problem... 

	peace,
	Toby

	fwiw, I think Weld is a fan, and reacted as a fan when requesting
	the flag be lowered. I don't think he thought about what the
	reaction mite be from the many who are not fans.
	
	As for the reaction of whatever group that pressured Weld, I'm
	with Toby: no time to hate. If they can't understand, fine. I
	chose to honor Jerry in my own private way.
	
	What I'd like is for the Boston Garden to fly the stealie during
	the time the shows were supposed to be.

	During the NY Giants and NO Saints preseason football game friday night 	
	at Giants Stadium there was a tie-dyed Dtealie flying at half mast. The
	commentator said that the owner of the stadium requested it.

Chris

	I saw the weld article in the sunday globe.  positive, all the way
thru.

	WSJ, of all places, had a very cool rememberance article as
well in the leisure/arts page.  all positive, nothing negative.  in fact, it
is outside my office.  both jerry pieces from the journal are flyin' 
proud outside my office...

	i'm glad that i don't listen to those talk show hosts.  i might
wanna nuke one of 'em!!!!!!!!!

    re:During the NY Giants and NO Saints preseason football game friday
    night at Giants Stadium there was a tie-dyed Stealie flying at half
    mast. The commentator said that the owner of the stadium requested it.
                                                                            
    
    
    so, so f*cking cool
    
    rfb

    well, i haven't been in here in a while so i might as well jump i and
    spout my opinion too... :^)
    
    re the half mast stuff...  my understadning was that it all started
    when Weld was asked if he'd lower the flag and he replied "i'm
    considering it"...  i didn't think he actually made the request, issued
    the order, whatever...
    
    i agree that nationally, it would be inapporpriate...  i like the idea
    of the dead flags, but NOT at half mast...  as the boys sang "wave that
    flag!!  wave it WIDE AND HIGH!!!"
    
    as for flying the flags at half mast in SF...  i would agree with
    that...  he was a favorite son in the city by the bay...  i think it's
    very appropriate there...
    
    
    re" the collateral flack....  a lot of folks just don't get it...  and
    now thier chances of getting it are even less...  i'm with the "no time
    to hate" crowd...  if they don't get it, pity them for being
    clueless...  a friend of mine was actually told that this would be 
    a good time for him to kill himself!!!!  fortunately most people
    i've run into have been very cool about it...  and i've been pleasantly
    surprised at how many folks (many i would NEVER expect) have called
    to express thier sympathy!!!!   how we are with all this will have a
    big effect on how the clueless...  evil is best won over with kindness
    imho....
    
    
    enough spews...  now i have to get back to recovering from 3 weeks
    vacation...                              :^)
    
    					da ve

    welcome back da ve...and I agree with yer spew....%^)
    
    a good friend of mine just responded to some mail with 
    "really, we have a lot to celebrate, eh?"
    
    true
    
    rfb

    
    	Re: Back a few....I beleive that the Tie Dye falg fromt he Boston
    Garden was stolen during the last run. If you re-call it was there the
    first night and gone after that. I asked security, and they told me
    someone had stolen it.
    
    

    Note 471.161 has been set Noread by the moderators.

    And I deleted my mildly sarcastic comment in .162.
    
    Hopefully we won't get spammed.
    
    gary

    Hello Miss Bahm!
    
    We encourage a healthy exchange of ideas in this notesfile.  This does
    not extend to calling us a bunch of deadbeats or mildly retarded.  This
    can be considered a personal attack.  It is against corporate policy to
    make personal attacks in notesfiles.  Please stop.  However, please
    share your feelings and opinions up to that point.
    
    Thanks,
    
    	dave
    

    Yep, some people dont get it.  And some, like this guy BUM, go the
    extra mile to leave no doubt the extent of their stupidity.  I hold
    no sympathy towards malicious intent.  Personal opinion is one thing.
    But if you know nothing of which you speak, save yourself the indignity
    and keep it to yourself.  
    
    I never saw the note but I've heard (and felt) this kind of BS from
    some nonheads.  Thank you Mr. Moderator for sparing me the displeasure.
    To non-heads who stopped by to say "sorry", my sincerest gratitude.
    But I cant relate to people "like" BAUM.
    
    Its always been easy to let this kind of stuff slide, cuz I always
    had a show to look forward to.  Right now my fuse is short.  No time
    to hate???  I dont hate, anyone.  Im just a little testy is all.  Am I no
    better than Mr. BAUM?  Maybe.  Im only human.
    
    jeff
                          

    did I say Mr???  Sorry.
    

    I must be retarded...mildly.  
    

    Let's stop it now, ok?
    
    This notesfile is a special place for a number of folks.  The spirit of
    community and mutual respect in this forum is important to us.
    
    We keep a membership list.  It's an easy matter to make GRATEFUL a
    members-only notesfile.
    
    Please remember the letter that the Grateful Dead sent to fans this
    summer.  The same thing applies here.  If folks continue to disrespect
    each other and become personally abusive, the moderators of this
    conference can take action...not that we want to.
    
    Thanks,
    
    	dave
    

Comes A Time

Comes a time when the blind-man takes your hand, says "Don't you see?
Gotta make it somehow on the dreams you still believe."
Don't give it up, you got an empty cup only love can fill,
only love can fill.

Been walking all morning went walking all night
I can't see much difference between the dark and light
And I feel the wind And I taste the rain
Never in my mind to cause so much pain.

Comes a time when the blind-man takes your hand, says "Don't you see?
Gotta make it somehow on the the dreams you still believe."
Don't give it up, you got an empty cup only love can fill,
only love can fill.

From day to day just letting it ride.
You get so far away from how it feels inside.
You can't let go cause you're afraid to fall,
But the day may come when you can't feel at all.

The words come out like an angry stream.
You hear yourself say things you could never mean.
When you cool down you find your mind.
You got a lot of words you've got to stand behind.

Comes a time when the blind-man takes your hand, says "Don't you see?
Gotta make it somehow on the dreams you still believe."
Don't give it up, you got an empty cup only love can fill,
only love can fill, only love can fill, only love can fill.

    I was thinking the other nite that the last Dead show was at 
    Soldiers Field in Chicago (I think that's right).  That was 
    also, I believe, the last venue for Brent.
    
    gives me the chills 
    
    

    ya, this weirdness has been pointed out....
    
    and as long as we are on the subject of weird...Patty has had a big
    blue dancin bear on her key ring for a couple of years now,
    the day Jerry left, that bear dissapeared and has yet to be found. 
    The same day, the GD Almanac arrived in the mail....there's a couple of
    other weird things that I've discusssed with a few others that escape
    me right now....
    
    rfb

    More weirdness -
    
    My BG tix were post marked 8/1/95 - Jer's B-Day and 8/9/95 - Black
    Wednesday. Definitely keeping those envelopes!   

    My apologies to everyone for my childish behavior.
    
    A guy across from me had his BG tix appraised at $200 a peice.  He's
    actually trying to sell them.  And Jerry ties were selling for nearly 10 
    times retail...I know what I wont be getting this Christmas.
    
    jeff
    

re   <<< Note 471.179 by MKOTS3::JCOREY "Jerry, sweetest sound I ever heard" >>>
    
>    A guy across from me had his BG tix appraised at $200 a peice.  He's

let me know the appraisers name!
$200.00... you gotta be kidding?

    I don't find this ($200.00/tix) unusual at all, considering the
    circumstances.....
    rfb

Just to clarify, Brent's last show was Tinley Park.  Same state (IL), but
different venue.  Brent's death did occur at roughly the same time (early
August)., 5 years earlier.

The Star, or one of those trash tabloids, had a headline claiming to have
the last picture of Jerry.  I bought it, it looks like it could be him. 
It's a grainy picture, and it appears to be a side view of him sitting in a
lawn chair, wearing a white t-shirt and sweatpants.  He's looking chubby
:-(  He's just sitting alone at a table out on the grass.

I'm waiting for the "Jerry is alive"/"Jerry was abducted by aliens"
headlines to add to my scrapbook. :-)

adam

    Also on the cover of People, and Newsweek, any feedback to the
    quality of the articles/

    the text in the article in People is like all People text...worthless
    for the most part. The pictures are classic!!!
    
    the "last Picture" of Jerry was supposedly taken at the rehab center, i
    heard.....
    
    rfb_imo

    >>Also on the cover of People, and Newsweek, any feedback to the
    >>quality of the articles/
    
    I bought them both and the articles were well-written and not negative
    in any sense. They had some nice pictures. One that stands out was a
    picture at his wedding last year. He looked very happy, and healthy, in
    that picture--probably the best I've seen him look in years.
    
    As for the rest of People magazine, well.....
    
    Apparently the New Yorker is going to have a helluva of piece on him in
    the upcoming issue. 

    
    	Just FYI, Brent died on July 26th.
    

    the guy selling the garden tix is Peter Mitchell @ mko.  I dont know
    who appraised 'em.  If interested, drop him a note.
    

    i bought the people mag (he admits rather sheepishly)...  ok article...
    really nice pics...  i liked the one of him relaxing on the couch,
    but like Mike i was most struck by the wedding photo...  very nice...
    
    				da ve

	i resisted the urge to purchase people while in the supermarket
	line yesterday. it was very tempting, but i just couldn't do it.

    
    Seems like I missed something here....  
    
    The Deadheads that I associate with are the *most* caring, loving,
    sensative, intelligent, spritual, interesting, non-greedy, non-hatred,
    and exciting people I have ever been exposed to...and besides, they 
    have the *best* musical tastes in this segment of the universe.    
    
    Re- Wierdness
    
    Anyhow, I told you folks about popping in the Boston tape the evening 
    after Jerry's death...first thing to emit from the speaker was "I 
    know you rider gonna miss me when I'm gone" with a blazing crowd
    approval.  The only time I shed a tear throughout this ordeal.

    well, I don't haveta admit i bought People %^)....my daughter bought it for
    me...the sad look on her face as she handed it to me and said "I bought
    this for you" was so precious.....
    
    rfb_who *REALLY* loves his daughters for the kindness they have shown
    thru all of this

    
    the People article can be viewed on the WWW - i put the url in the
    WWW note last week.  at least i thought i did .  things did sorta
    slip away from me.  anywy - it has pix and all
    

    RE: 471.179 BG Tickets appraised at $200 each
    
    OK, just because some appraises them at $200 per show is one thing but
    PLEASE introduce me to the buyer.  I have 9 Tickets he can buy today.
    
    Seriously, do you think that any of the GD stuff is collectible? I'd
    assume that there's too much of the stuff out that for it to be other
    than a hobby versus an investment. I can just see me now hedging
    against inflation by investing in GD collectibles.  I expect to see
    sooooo many people jump on the Jerry/GD bandwagon (excuse the pun) and
    start offering GD limited items.  How soon before we see the Franlkin mint
    issue a Jerry doll,? Collect the whole band!

	i would guess jerry's artwork appreciated considerably. signed,
	numbered lithos that originally sold at $300-$400 may be worth
	more today, as collectables. 

    veggie burrito trading has been heavy as of late and the price has
    nearly doubled on the open market.....
    
    200 beans..give me a freakin break

    Chris you're such a clown. Thanks. I know I can count on you for a
    laugh just about everyday!

    well,  he aint sold a one of them tix yet....
    
    My sister has two of the Jerry lithos.  One she bought 4 or 5 years
    ago for around 4 bills.  Last year she said it was worth around 12.
    Since last week they've probably doubled again.
    
    jeff
    

    
    I have a collectable single Touch of Grey forty-five with Brother Essau
    on side 2.  The color of the forty-five is actually gray.
    
    I will never sell it.

    i've been meaning to put this in...  came to me a couple of days ago
    vis email...  headers deleted....
    
    					da ve
    
                                           
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   #187 of 216: Steven E. Marcus (smarcus)      Fri Aug 11 '95 (19:12)

   Please feel free to repost this anywhere you want:

   I just came back from the service for Jerry.  It was beautiful and
   extremely moving.  I really can't go into it in detail because I am
   just too raw, but the reason I am posting is to tell you that I brought
   with me four red roses. One  from me , one from my girlfriend, one from
   the ticket office and one from all of you...

   The one from all of you is in his hands...

   ...I put it there.

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    I guy I know here at work (non-head) just came up to me today and we
    had a very nice conversation. He said something to the effect that
    since Jerry's death (he's never seen the dead) he's been doing alot of
    thinkin about new music and how the kids don't go for the music
    anymore, etc. (of course we know some didn't attend shows just for the
    music either) and how Jerry touched so many people and they never even
    knew it......it's nice to hear stuff like that.
    
    rfb

    
    I talked to a woman here in CX03 yesterday whos daughter lives in 217 (zat
    right??) Haight...the boyz old house...she went to visit her daughter
    the day before Jerry left us (weird or what!!!) neither is a head...but
    she was *SO* impressed with the people who came to the shrine in front
    of the house. People Mag, Rollong Stone, Spin...all the music rags and
    some that were not were in her daughters house taking pictures, doing
    interviews etc....she has pictures of it all, shrine, heads, magazine,
    etc, and said I can have the
    negs for re-prints. As a lot of non-heads were/are, She was *VERY* 
    impressed with how Jerry touched such a vast amount of different
    people. (not being a head, she doesn't have a clue as to how "we" are
    all different and yet in the same "family"...but her concern and what
    she was saying was genuine.)
    
    should be some grate pics that we can pass around with the others.
    
    Also a friend of mine that's a DJ in Vail gave me a tape of a
    supposedly unreleased interview with Jerry...haven't listened to it
    yet, but when I do I'll let ya'll know if it's worth copying....
    
    
    rfb

    thought it was 810 haight.....
    

    
    
    It's 710 Haight - according to SF travel guides even. It's a great
    house with a stained window in front. Adam clued me in to checking
    it out before I left.    There were lots of flowers on the steps.
    
    CMS

	thanks for the trip report, sloan.
	i'm looking forward to seeing the pictures.

    
    Some good news people....
    
    Dead video bootlegs are starting to surface.  Last Sunday I sat in
    amazement as a friend showed me Boston Gahdin, 9/22/91, Set II.  I had
    forgotten what a good show that was.  
                                                
    I would like to share this one around....it was such a hot show and the 
    sound is excellent.  Jerry is a riot throughout the performance..him and 
    Bruce Hornsby were on the same wavelength that night as they exchanged 
    many smiles and bizzare hand signals.  Watching this Sunday mourning
    was such an uplift. We laughed a lot, as Jerry made many adjustments to 
    his equipment trying to improvise what he'd be saying to himself...
    "Ahhhh, need more envelope filter, mmmmmmm, little more color, Ahhhh".
    Ya know?  Anyhow, I'll have this on tape next Saturday and would love
    to share with those who have the capabilities.  
    
    Sampson & Delilah
    Aiko
    Looks Like Rain
    He's Gone
    Nobody's Fault but Mine
    Spoonful
    D-S
    Last Time
    Stella Blue
    Sugar Mag
    
    Heavens Door 

    deano --you owe me I believe....a copy of this tape would reverse
    that...%^)
    
    rfb

I'd be game for a copy

    me too!
    
    -jer

    better move the vid-tape discussion to another note or I'm afraid we'll
    lose this info...just a suggestion...
    
    rfb

    just a suggestion, but you might want to set up a video dubbing party
    even...  facilitates copies and makes distribution easier...
    
    				da ve

    Dennis McNally was on PBS here the other night and said that the
    New Yorker article on Jerry was the best he had seen.  He said it
    really captured him and what a "rapscallion" he could be.  My local
    book vendor has no NYers left this week.  Has the article published
    yet, and, if so, would anyone be kind enough to send me a copy?
    
    Many thanks,
    -jer

    or kinder still, could it be posted?

    Thanks for posting the article.  Way cool.
    
    

    Nice way to leave prior to a few days of Road Warrior (inlaws bound).

         SAN RAFAEL, Calif. (AP) _ Jerry Garcia's heart simply gave out,
the coroner has concluded.
         The Grateful Dead leader had used heroin within days of his
death at a rehab center Aug. 9, but that didn't contribute directly
to his heart attack, Marin County coroner's investigator Gary 
Erickson said Tuesday.
          ``He was a 53-year-old man with hardening of the arteries,'' he
said. ``This was a mechanical process.''
          Tests results indicate that the guitarist's most recent use of
heroin was ``likely from before the time'' he entered the
rehabilitation facility.
         Despite a diabetic coma in 1986 that damaged his heart, Garcia
had a difficult time exercising and staying on a diet. He was
admitted to a hospital in 1991 when he became exhausted.
         Two of three arteries leading from Garcia's heart had been
reduced to ``a pinpoint'' with 85 percent blockage, Erickson said.
The third artery had 30 percent blockage.
         The Grateful Dead has been one of the nation's most popular
concert acts for years, grossing more than $50 million in ticket
sales last year. 

     Monday it was forecast to be blowing 20-30 knots. Since this is our 
honeymoon and was planned as vacation and not a beat you brains out race 
we put off leaving for one more day. This put our arrival in Portland (where 
we'd visit a friend) off until Wednesday. 
     Wednesday we began motoring, got enough wind to sail a little in the 
later morning, then found ourselves motoring again putting effort into 
making shade for relief from the sun. With about 15 or so miles to go
we were able to set the chute and came into Portland while the Wednesday 
night racers were on there way out. We watched for Scott since he told me
he had begun racing again. Turns out that the light air and his standings in
the half completed series were not enough to get him out racing tonight. 
     The pieces just all fell together to perfectly. Had we stuck to our 
original plan we'd have been out of touch with the news for another week. 
If Scott had raced we might have heard about the race rather than news. 
But it all fell together and at about 5:00 PM on August 9 Scott invited us 
aboard and we relaxed and talked about things. He said, "Oh did you hear, 
Jerry Garcia died?". I waited for the punch line, but it never came. 
     He told us how he heard about it but it was not a major media news 
source, I can hide in denial for the time being. 
     We walked around Portland, had some beers, some dinner and some more 
beers. This whole time I'm trying to not believe, or block out, what he told 
us on his boat. But every corner we turn, every band we over hear, the dead 
are playing. The second place we stopped for beers I'm beginning to believe 
the bad news. The radio is on and every song is a Dead tunes. "What's Become
of the Baby" is not a normal airplay song. I don't say anything, but I'm 
beginning to believe the only news of the day. 
     The next morning I see Scott on his way to work and he tells me that 
he has now heard it on the radio. I haven't heard it and am still doing the
denial thing so I can concentrate on our destination and our honeymoon. 
     After reaching our next destination we take the dingy a mile up the 
river. After some really (I mean Rillllly) cool site seeing, gunk holing,
we stock up on provisions for the next few days at a tiny store in Cundy 
Harbor. Walking in the door I see a news paper with a familiar face on the
front page. I can't deny it any more. We bought the paper.
     We're still on our honeymoon and there is plenty to be happy about. 
We're also sailing in unfamiliar water so there is plenty of other things
to distract us and not leave us to dwell on the news. But after putting a 
tape in and hearing Peggy O. It really struck me that this was something 
I'll never get to hear again live. 

     Coming back to work after 2.5 weeks vacation the most difficult thing for
me was reading through all these notes and buying the reality. I could only 
take it in small doses, but didn't feel that I could skip any notes. So it's 
taken a long time to catch up and get through them all. 
     As for where I'll remember I was when I heard it, I'll always think 
of Scott's Boat, Cundy's Harbor and Peggy O in Sebasco. It doesn't overwhelm 
the memory of the honeymoon and I'm very happy about that. I have wonderful 
memories of great sailing, beautiful coast line, picturesque, secluded 
harbors and a great 2 weeks with my favorite woman. But this news was 
certainly the worst part of the trip. 

     I took a lot to buy it, 
     Geoff

    we are with you geoff.....
    
    rfb

RE:
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   #187 of 216: Steven E. Marcus (smarcus)      Fri Aug 11 '95 (19:12)

   Please feel free to repost this anywhere you want:

   I just came back from the service for Jerry.  It was beautiful and
   extremely moving.  I really can't go into it in detail because I am
   just too raw, but the reason I am posting is to tell you that I brought
   with me four red roses. One  from me , one from my girlfriend, one from
   the ticket office and one from all of you...

   The one from all of you is in his hands...

   ...I put it there.



this, somehow, makes me very happy...
Debess_who_is_slowly_trying_to_catch_up

    Yesterday in my mail was a letter from GDTS - complete with my money
    order AND my tickets.  They also included a nice, heavy stock printed
    elegy for Jerry.  
    
    It's ironic but we had pretty good seats !
    
    What I decided to do is to get the elegy and tickets framed.  The other
    3 sets of tickets will go to friends.
    
    This Thurs/Friday/Sat would have been Series I - instead were having a
    party Sat nite to celebrate Jerry!
    
    Fredda 

    
    I just finished filling out my refund letter.  Seemed the right thing
    to do seeing that the last Garden show would've been last night.  I
    can't believe that I feel this bad all over again.  It feels like
    another chapter is closed in my book of the Dead.  
    
    What a drag sitting here with tears in my eyes knowing that its over.
    
    	Mark
    

    Ovre?
    Did you say over?
    NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE DECIDE IT IS!
    

	reality s*cks.

    was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?????

    I'm there with ya still Mark.....the right (or wrong) song still gets
    me...BUT, remember what Ken Kesey said when talking about Jerry and
    *US*...
    
            "It ain't over till the fat lady gets stoned!"
    
    
    keep da faith!
    
    rfb

Yeah, it sucks, but consider the might have beens.

Wouldn't you rather that Jerry died peacefully in his sleep,
rather than in the middle of a raging Stella Blue in front
of 20,000?

It was going to end sometime, and while we wished it 
ended latter than sooner, we're kind of lucky it
went as long as it did.  Sure I would have preferred
that Jerry lived on into his eighties or nineties and
just did one Farewell concert every year, but that
just wasn't to be.

Things change, things remain the same.
In the beginning, I believe I've read that Garcia,
and possibly Wier, considered Pigpen to be the
heart and soul of the band.  The situation is somewhat
different in that Pig took a while to die, slowly
getting sicker, while for all intents and purposes,
Jerry just died overnight.  With Pigpen, they
already had a new musician in place who was playing
with the band before Pigpen checked out.  With Jerry,
they are going to have to decide whether or not to
continue, or spin off into various subgroups or 
just put out live albums based on old tapes for
eternity.

And we'll learn to live with what we have left.

PeterT

    gotta make it somehow,
    on the dreams we still believe.....
    
    

    
    when I found out that Jerry died I sat and listened to Garcia and Dead
    Tapes, CD's and albums for a few days at home.    I just don't feel
    like opening that wound again.  Sending the tix back did enough opening
    already.  
    
    Anyway, the sun is shining, the wind blows quietly and off to vacation
    tomorrow.  
    
    	Peace and love
    

    
    and thanks for the kind words and thoughts. 
    
    BTW, you are very right Petert.  I am glad he went in his sleep, if he
    had to go somehow.
    
    RIP Jerry

>    can't believe that I feel this bad all over again.  It feels like
>    another chapter is closed in my book of the Dead.  
    
>    What a drag sitting here with tears in my eyes knowing that its over.
    
    	Mark, the chapter may be closed, but I'm trying not to think
	that its over...I don't know what the band is going to decide
	to do, but I think something's going to fill this void...
	and we're all here for eachother - that was a big part of it
	afterall - us...

	take care,
	Debess
    

>Wouldn't you rather that Jerry died peacefully in his sleep,

	yeah - that image of him dying with a smile on his face,
	definately, I'm happy he went that way...

	Debess

	

          
    I have a very strong feeling this is not over. 
    
    Listening to tapes from this summer's tour, Bobby really could pick up
    where Jerry was leaving off.  I'm not giving up on this, the world is
    full of guitarists, and there's bound to be one left with soul, grace,
    style and finess.  It's very difficult to picture now, but in a year
    we'll all be jonesin for whatever we can get.  
    
    FWIW: Bruce Mandero really ought to send Bobby a tape.

    tell em deane'o
    tell all those naysayer steve-0 martin's of the world
    
    gotta make it somehow

on the tickets thing, i'm still awaiting refund.
$800.00 or so.... mailed in at least 2, maybe 3 wks
ago.

    I have been totally out of touch with grateful for a couple of weeks...
    
    I remember a note stating the cutoff date for BG refunds.  Does anyone
    have this date?  I can't find the note....
    
    thx,
    /danielle

    D -
    	Not sure if there really is a cutoff if you want your tix back. The
    only date I've heard is Oct. 6 so you still have plenty of time
    (although I think this time is only for people that want their money
    back without the tix).
    
    

The cutoff date is Oct. 6, but be aware that GDTS has to have received your 
request by then (as opposed to you envelope being postmarked Oct 6). That leaves 
just 10 days. Unless you overnight express the thing, I'd try to get it out by 
the end of this week to be safe.

jeff

    Thanks jeffs!
    
    	I know this has probably been asked and answered a few times, but 
    does anyone have the info (what to send, address, etc.) for getting the 
    $$ back but keeping the tix?  I can't find the note...
    
    thx,
    /danielle

Info on obtaining a ticket refund for cancelled Grateful Dead shows
including info on keeeping tickets as a souvenir.

If you received your tickets for the cancelled fall tour shows
(Boston, MSG, Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion in Devore), to get a
full refund of your money (including the service charge) without
getting the tickets back as souvenirs, send the tickets with a
self-addressed-stamped-envelope and name of original purchaser (by
October 6) and enclose a note stating that you want a full refund
including the service charge to:  

GDTS Refunds - Fall 1995
PO Box 9812
San Rafael CA 94912

If you want to keep your tickets from a cancelled fall tour show
(Boston, MSG, Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion in Devore) as a
souvenir, you need to do the following.  Send the tickets with a
self-addressed-stamped-envelope and name of original purchaser (by
October 6) to:

GDTS Refunds - Fall 1995
PO Box 9812
San Rafael CA 94912

(You may want to include a note stating that you want the tickets back
as a souvenir.).  The tickets will be returned with a stamping on
back with a likeness of Jerry Garcia; they will not be stamped void.
Note, the $2.50 service charge will not be refunded if you get the
tickets back as souvenirs; only the face value of the tickets will be
refunded. 

If you do not send back tickets, GDTS (Grateful Dead Ticket Sales)
cannot keep the money. It will be turned over to the state of
California (eventually). To donate the money to GDTS or to the Rex
Foundation, send a photocopy of the fronts of all tickets and a signed
letter asking for the donation to be made (to either GDTS or the Rex
Foundation).

GDTS appologizes for having to send many mail orders back unopened marked
"return to sender. "

There is a special printing of Hunter's elegy for Jerry that will be
sent out with all refunds. If you want a copy and are not asking for
a refund, you can send a No 10 self-addrressed-stamped-envelope to

GDTS - Hunter Elegy
Po Box 2081
San Rafael CA 94912

Note, tickets were actually printed up for Boston, MSG, The Spectrum
and Devore.  Tickets were never printed for Shoreline or Toronto.  The
possibility exists that GDTS may try to find a way to distribute the
Spectrum tickets, GDTS ticket czar Steve Marcus reports "But it
may not happen for a while."  There have been no announcements about
getting souvenir tickets if you don't already possess tickets to a
cancelled show (as of Tuesday September 19, 1995).

Ticket Problems:      415-457-8034  M-F 11am - 5pm PDT

i called the gdts problem line.
said they are just about to get to the refunds.
another couple of wks.

fwiw

>said they are just about to get to the refunds.
>another couple of wks.


	didn't Fredda say that she had gotten her tickets back
	already?  did she not get a refund?  Fredda?

    Got the refund and tix back last week.
    
    BTW - I'm having the elegy and tix mounted and framed - can't wait to
    hang it in my bedroom!
    
    Fredda

I'm riding to work this moring listening to Jerry singing 
kids songs when these lyrics jolted me:

"When I'm dead and in my grave
No more good times here I crave
Place the stones at my head and feet
Tell 'em all I've gone to sleep"

from Freight Train on Not for Kids Only


It was a sad ride the rest of the way to work.

Jim 

    
    On this day, last year, at this exact time, Adam and I were on our way
    to a Chinese restaraunt for lunch.  We were listening to the radio and 
    there were Dead songs on almost all the stations, all was fine until  we 
    heard the news from an announcer on WAAF.  The feeling I had was
    haunting and unexplainable.  I will never forget it. 

    i remember that i was working at LKG and had a chance to talk to deano
    right after lunch.  it helped.  
              
    left early that day
    

	I was working 3rd shift at the time and my wife woke
	me to tell me the news 8-(  It was an eerie drive into
	work that nite and it sure helped to read this file


	Toby

i was just about ready for lunch, in my usual work frenzy and probably
500 notes behind in here when deb called and asked if i heard the news.
i said "what news?"
she said "jerry died!"
i said "no f*g way!"

then, went into grateful to confirm;
sad day in history.
spaced out in front my computer for 2 hrs, did a few more things, we
home and CRANKED the dead and danced in circles all over the house
with tears streaming down... sad day indeed.

RIP