Conference rdvax::grateful

>>	Who is the oldest old fart in the notesfile?

Is that in *real* years or *virtual* years ????

Someone had to ask :^)

Glenn_whos aged several virtual years recently with getting engaged, 
	selling *my* house, and living together in *her* house,  suddenly being 
	a father to a 13 yr old daughter, witnessing the birth of my 2 month 
	old son, purchasing a lot and overseeing the building *our* house, 
	in the meantime selling *her* house (Nov 9) and getting ready to move 
	into a rental for a little over a month while *our* house finishes 
	being built (first or second week in December)....  
	Can you say 29 going on 49...
	I knew you could.... ;^)

    I'm 273, in dog years.  
    
    :-)
    
    tim
    

	It ain't me. I'm only 41.
	bruce laru who used to note here turned 50 this year. talk about
	an old fart ;-) actually, 50 isn't old ...
						  ...if you're a tree.
	Jay

    Yer making me feel good.  Keep em coming. 
    
    I will hit 38 in March.
    
    It ain't the years that gets you.  Its the mileage.
    
    :-)
    
    Marv
    

    I turned 39 in August or as I prefer to put it....Jack Benny & I have
    something in common for the rest of our lives!!!
    
    Fredda

    I guess I'm in the middle of the road...just 32 "JUST" is the key word
    there !
    
    Don Henley, Rose Kennedy and I have something in comma...opps common
    :')
    
    Chris

    
    I'll be 51 on NOvember 9 .. I expect flowers and balloons and many
    many many good wishes and that's just from you guys.  The rest of my
    fan club will do more :-) 
    
    Carol_wins
    

"The official old fart note (speak up sonny!)"
                                      ^^^^^^

Perhaps we should change the title of this note ;-)

- wee_tot

    This note is great! I feel like a kid again ;^).
    
    Geoff @ 30.333 (approximately)

    Well, I'll hit 40 in February.  Guess that puts me in the upper 1/3 of
    the class.
    
    I suggest that everyone have kids.  Keeps you young whether you want it
    or not.
    
    Bud

Youth culture shmooth culture.  I'm happier now at 32 than I ever was in
my 20s, and I expect to keep getting happier!

Age is an attitude.

- DC

    yeah I agree with DC, I was too stupid when I was in my 20s (not that Im
    any smarter....I'm just better at being stupid) so life seems to be
    better....I guess it gets better too....right ?
    
    Chris

I love this.

For some time I have been fascinated at the wide range of
ages in this very social group...from Danielle, who's barely
21, we range in age across what many people would consider
to be two or three generations - thirty years or more.

...and then, there's Mystery, who's been 23 for the past
17 years runnin'...;-)

Many of us seem to be in our thirties, albeit some of us
just barely...;-)  

I love it.

tim

P.S. - ...I think I forgot to mention this before:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DANIELLE!!  Yer not a kid anymore...

    many of us seem to be in our 30's.....
    
    NOT FER LONG!!!!!!!
    
    rfb contemplating a physical

My feet hurt.

    Here's to the X generation (whatever that means)
    I'm 23, a deadhead, and yeah I like Pearl Jam!!!
    
    Jeff
    

    I like Pearl Jam too....:-)  Can you believe that I'm finally 21 and I
    just found a club in Boston that I can't get into because it's 23+ !!!
    And it's called 'Generation X'....
    
    :), danielle

    
    Pearl Jam - most awesome rendition of Dylan's 'Masters of War' on the
    Dylan Tribute...I really like them too.
    
    carol

Thanks Carol and Danielle,

Like I said:  I love this.

;-)

tim

    FOr you, Tim...anything
    
    

A "23+" show. How do they arrive at that particular age?

gary (who turns 38.00821 today...)

> A "23+" show. How do they arrive at that particular age?

...the same way the Gahden arrived at the 25+ requirement on
out-of-state-IDs for buying beer...

;-)

    34 is just around the corner for me. As Tim mentioned, I think it's
    great that this group spans such a wide band of ages, and can get along
    doing so :-))))))
    
    jeff

    I looked at an advertisement for Generation X, and it stated:
    
    " Generation X, as always 23 +.  NO KIDS ALLOWED! "  Hmmmm....
     
    From what I've heard, however, I guess it's a cool place.  They have 3
    floors called Earth, Fire, and Water (how original) and it's really 
    hippyish...well, supposedly.  Like I said, this is through word of
    mouth...it could be really lame.
    
    :), danielle
    

    well if this place is so hip then I bet its very lame....

uh, let's see, .... hmm seems to be 45.1.  At this point, I no longer remember
my age (it keeps changing, way too confusing) but just what year I was born
in and how to subtract.
       Craig

>    floors called Earth, Fire, and Water (how original) 

What? No Wind, eh?  mebbe they had copyright issues with
the old R&B group (Earth, Wind and Fire)...

:-)

tim

> >    floors called Earth, Fire, and Water (how original) 
> 
> What? No Wind, eh?  mebbe they had copyright issues with
> the old R&B group (Earth, Wind and Fire)...

Nah, the place just blows...

>B-)

>                     -< Under 25 DECheads support group? >-

ok, i'll join (24)

>    Here's to the X generation (whatever that means)

it means me, of course (check out the BusinessWeek article on "Generation X",
i think the date is 12/16/92, to see what i mean)

- rich

If they forbit people under 23 to attend, they should also ban those over 30. 
Generation X supposedly refers to only 20-somethings, right?

Hmm, this place could be a good singles club (ie. meat market).

adam

	re-adam

	I found most twenty-something people dislike meat-markets, although
	I've really only been to one of those type places myself.


	Deane_who_thinks_being_single_in_the_90's_is_the_pits

    Hey Deane,
    
    Being single was the pits in the '60s, '70s and '80s, too.  It's just
    that you have to be a lot more careful in the '90s.
    
    Cheer up, kid.  I'll bet most of us in this conference who are hitched
    didn't get married until we were in our late 20s or 30s.  There's
    plenty of time.
    
    Bud

    
    I disagree...  I'm single and I really like it that way.  I guess
    it's just a mindset.  I believe that if your unhappy with the way
    your life is at this moment...  getting married certainly isn't 
    going to help that - nor is being attached to someone else.  You
    must be happy and loving to yourself before you can share that with
    someone else or make a positive impact on someone's else's life.  
    
    Dating, however, is a whole other ball game - and I will agree that
    that IS the PITS!  I would imagine that it always has been across
    the decades.  
    
    My humble advice to those frustrated with the dating scene is to
    relax (have a homebrew), be yourself, do the things you love and
    eventually (I truly believe) that that person you've (not) been
    looking for will be very close by.  As for how you will know them..
    Well, I haven't gotten that far.  I'll let you know when I figure
    that minor detail out!  ;-)  :-)
    
    MJ

Don't listen to him Dean :)

Being single isn't so bad.  You could be married, flippin' burgers for a living
and have 6 kids at home and another on the way; arguing about $$$ and the lack
of it.  

Like Bud said, Maybe what you meant was, "Being careful in the 90's is the 
pits."

:)
bob

    MJ, thanks for clarifying the point for me, which is that DATING was
    the real problem, not just being single.  Although I must admit, while
    I never minded not being married, I'm a much happier person as a husband 
    and father than I was as a single male.
    
    Bud (whose lovely daughter had her 1st birthday yesterday)

    
    Well, this point has confused me for quite some time now!  I'm
    certainly looking forward to the time in my life when I will 
    find my soul-mate and live a happily married life and have children
    and grow old together and have grandchildren... etc etc etc...  
    
    But none of these things are guarantees in life so I choose to live
    for what my life is today and nurturing myself into the person I 
    am (and am evolving into each day).  
    
    I certainly cannot say that I am happier single than I would be
    married - for the obvious reason that I've never been married - so
    who knows!   Hopefully I can be happy regardless of my marital status.  
    
    I am happy for people like you, Bud, who have found the person
    they want to share their life with - your two of the lucky ones! :-)
    
    MJ
    
    (and happy birthday to your lovely daughter!  :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    
    
    

    I agree, Dating IS the pits....it's letting someone take your heart and
    rip it out and twist it around and make it bleed and then they throw it
    on the ground and step on it.
    
    I guess, that is, if you let them, which hopefully won't happen to me
    again.  :(
    
    There are a couple of good things that go with dating but they aren't 
    worth it sometimes.
    
    I like being single right now because I only have to worry about
    myself and I don't have to think of anyone else but myself.  I can go
    wherever I want and do whatever I want.  Yet sometimes I really miss being 
    close to somebody and sharing things with someone.
    
    :), danielle
                                                                   

    Like I said, my viewpoint on dating and that whole scene is always
    changing mainly depending on my mood...Today I have been thinking back
    about the past and a particular person and that's why I've had a
    negative opinion about dating today.  
    
    When you meet somebody new, it's awesome in the beginning, getting
    to know that person and etc.  Yet you run into trouble when you start
    to fall for that person and then it really sucks getting hurt.  I guess
    that is how I feel about it.
                                                              
    :), danielle

Interesting digression from old farts...;-)

I agree with MJ.  Marital status has nothing to do with
happiness, and you can be happy or miserable in any
situation.  I know, because I've had the 'opportunity'
to be miserable both single and married...but not anymore!

So, being single does not intrinsically suck.  Being 
miserable does.  Finding someone to be miserable with
doesn't change things much...certainly not for the better.
Find a way clear of the misery, and being single can be
just fine...  

Hey Deane, aren't you glad you brought this up?  ;-)

tim

    ok, so, my question is, if the likes of Carol and Probs qualify as "old
    farts" then what does that make us in our early 30's???  middle aged??
    
    				da ve_at_32_and_kinda_surprised_to_still_be
    				_alive_all_things_considered (learned to
    				duck i guess  :^)

You're only as young as you feel.  

bob

	Yeah, that's it...."Dating is the pits in the 90's"  :-)

	No doubt there are things that are of priority to me right 
	now like getting bachelors degree, finding a challenging job, 
	climbing & skiing more mountains, catching a lot more shows.. :-)
	I am defintely still growing and learning a lot everyday, 
	particularly lately in this subject....but, I don't think I'd
	complain if I met someone doing the same shit, but I havn't any 
	expectations.

	I have a question to the "old farts".....

	When/if you met your "soul mate" how did you know, if you even did?


	
	
		

re                    <<< Note 377.33 by ISLNDS::CONNORS_M >>>
                              -< My 2 cents.... >-

>    going to help that - nor is being attached to someone else.  You
>    must be happy and loving to yourself before you can share that with
>    someone else or make a positive impact on someone's else's life.  
    
Amen, sister.

So many people rush into a relationship with another person (whether it's
marriage or living together) without getting their own heads straight first.
The old quote about not being able to love another person until you love
yourself is true, IMO.

    I think I've said something about this before [is there *any* subject I
    haven't expressed an opinion? :-) ] but to me:
    
    	Love is the commitment to helping another to reach happiness.
    
    Everything flows from this commitment.  Personal growth, the growth of
    your mate, a concern for others.
    
    I met my wife when I was 33 and married her when I was 34.5 yrs young. 
    First and only marriage for me!
    
    Single life for me was feast or famine.  I had lots of dough and way
    too much time.  I used to travel quite a lot back then.  I did a lot of
    things a lot back then.  
    
    Since my marriage, I've done a lot less of many of those things but
    I've also done more of the things that make a complete human being.
    
    You give up some things but you gain so much more in return.
    
    Marv
    P.S. We began living together the day we were married.  If a couple
    wants to live together because they love each other I think that's
    great.  However, I don't believe the notion of "try it first before you
    marry".  Either you want to be married or you don't.  Taking a test
    drive isn't necessary.  
     
    This is not a slam on anyone who is or has lived with someone.  For me
    once I decided I loved her I knew I wanted to be married.  One of my
    greatest pleasure is hearing myself say "This is my *wife*." or to hear
    her say "This is my *husband*."
    

    i'm with MJ...if your happy in life, you'll be happy in marriage,
    you'll be happy single, you'll be happy no matter what, even if the foo
    sh*ts...but if you're discontent, then the grass will always seem greener 
    on the other side of the fence and anything you get into won't last 
    very long....
    
    As to old farts...i'm 37, single, happy and just plain dig'in it...so 
    i guess i'm not yet old and in the way...
    
    Speaking of which...Jerry put together a band in the early 70's called
    'Old and in the Way'...anyone know who was in it and whether they ever
    cut any recordings...
    
    Just sittin with my YaYa, looking at the YaYa...UhhhAhhh
    
    								Dugo

    
    Just over 3 years ago I was single, and was not particularly interested
    in the dating scene.  When I saw my wife (and I had always wondered
    when I would first gaze upon her) it was truly cosmic.  I KNEW right
    then that I had found my soulmate.  You can't plan on it, the best you
    can be is ready for it.  I'm glad that she got the nerve to talk to me,
    because I was still too shy to talk to her that day ;^)
    
    Being married is different, lifestyles changed....some things about
    being single are missed, but there were many disadvantages to being
    single that are not forgotten as well.  Getting married just seemed
    like the right thing to do, and I feel that we've flowed well with the
    stream since our two streams 'collided.'
    
    Hogan (old fart in late 20's :^)

    old and in the way did indeed record... an album of the same name...
    the band was, Jerry Douglas i think on dobro, Jerry Garcia on banjo,
    Vassar Clemens on fiddle, Peter Rowan on guitars, and, and, and...
    uhhhh...  John Kahn??? on bass?
    
    anyway, i could be off on the band, but the answer to your question is,
    yes, they did record...  adn thanks to fog, i was just listening to
    the live stuff again last night! :^)
    
    				      da ve		

>	When/if you met your "soul mate" how did you know, if you even did?

Actually, I wasn't sure until one day when we had both ingested a healthy 
amount of what we referred to as "Vitamin L".  We were sitting around with music
on and both had a "vision" where we saw each other as 70-80 year olds.  It felt
like the most natural thing in the world to imagine that we'd still be best
friends when we were old.

The other thing was just a feeling of fitting together well.  Not the passion 
or anything like that.  Just a sense of things being "right" when we were 
together.

Cozmic, eh?

	dave

    
    I've been single this time since 1984 - right around the time most of
    you were born.  I am not unattached however I consider myself in a
    committed relationship.  We even bought a house together - but we
    aren't married.  
    
    My first marriage lasted 2 years (and 2 kids) my second was 20 years 
    and one kid.  I was so much older then, I'm younger then that now.  
                                          
    I really like where I am now.  Life is tres excellent. 
    " 'He' not busy being born is busy dyin' .... "
    
    carol
    

    very nice Carol,, very nice
    
    
    rfb

    As an offical old fart, 43 on 11/10, and married for 22 years, I agree
    with MJ's point, if you are happy with yourself now, it will transfer
    to your married life. I did not have "arrows from cupid" hit me when  I
    met my wife in College, I felt later on "it didn't get better then
    this", so....  Maybe because I worshiped her from afar at first.
    
    I am happy with being married, I would not want to be single in the
    90's.
    
    
    
    
    

                      <<< Note 377.51 by GRANPA::TDAVIS >>>
                                         ^^^^^^
                                         ^^^^^^

I've never met you, but fer some reason I've always thought you were
an old fart

;^) 

    (Re .0)  Wow!  Adam is 27!!  Thirty's coming soon!
    
    In any case, I just turned 40 in September.  I counted 4 of us in 
    our 40's + 1 in her 50's.  Pretty young crew in here.  
    
    A guy wrote that the "sixties" really began when Kennedy was shot 
    (11/22/63) and ended when Nixon resigned (8/9/74).  I agree with 
    him.  I was 10 and 20 respectively.  I grumble about being an old 
    fart sometimes, but I wouldn't trade growing up in the USA during 
    those years for anything.
    
    Bill

just for the record-
I'll be 37 in a couple weeks...

signed in blood,
scorpio_bobo

And to get back to the "you're only as young as you feel comment" 

If you feel like and old fart then you must be one.

:) :) :)

    Although I'm nearing 38, my wife says I feel just fine to her.
    
    Guess I ain't no old fart after all.
    
    Marv
    

    is it only me, or does it seem the true wierdodecheads are all
    approaching or slightly over 40????? except for Carol Roberts that is
    BTW, I won't be around on Nov 9 so....HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAROL!!!!!!!
    
    rfb approaching 40 at the speed o lite

re .56

>    is it only me, or does it seem the true wierdodecheads are all
>    approaching or slightly over 40????? except for Carol Roberts that is

I take offense at that ... I'm only 32 and I'm truly weird.

- dc    ;^)

    forgot about you dc! although I only know you from this file, I have
    heard you are truely WEIRD!!!!! %^)
    
    rfb

Well, might as well put myself down as 38.  Weird?  Well, I've always assumed
so!  

>    A guy wrote that the "sixties" really began when Kennedy was shot 
>    (11/22/63) and ended when Nixon resigned (8/9/74).  I agree with 
>    him.  I was 10 and 20 respectively.  I grumble about being an old 
>    fart sometimes, but I wouldn't trade growing up in the USA during 

Ah yes, the night Nixon resigned!  I remember it well.  We held a little
ceremony on Checker's grave that night.  Or I have mentioned that already?
The mind and grammar is going.  Oh yes, it was a celebratory ceremony,
rather than one of mourning.

PeterT

    
    Seems there is a bunch of youngn's in here........
    
    Divide Dave who will see 44 real soon now...
    
    

    Alright DD...i always had a thing about the symetry of nature...44 and
    so much more!!!

>44 and so much more!!!

"Old man, take a look at my life, I'm a lot like you..."

39 and holding...nothin' weird about that - speak for
yourself, rfb... ;-)

We're just old enough to be weird, and young enough not
to give a sh!t....or was it the other way around?

tim

P.S...weekend's almost here...hey Marv, drag yer old ass
out to the White Horse tomorrow night and we'll see how
old you really are!!!

Happy weekend everybody.

    While we're in confessional mode, I'm 41 so I'm right up there near the
    top of the class.  Us older men have something going (usually our
    hair!)
    
    Regards,
    
    Dermot
    
    P.S.  You're as young as who you're feeling (that last one is a JOKE!)

    RE: .56
    
    why thanks RFB...and here I thought I was being so subtle about it! 
    
    RE: .someone else who was talking about witnessing stuff like Nixon's
    resignation, etc.  It has sure been a long strange trip.  think about
    it - i was 18 (technically 17yr and 357 days) when Kennedy was elected.
    Many people I really respect believe that year was the year that
    began a huge change in the world.  WAtching it all - taking part in
    alot of things that you all read about in history books...whew - makes
    me EVEN ME humble :-).  
    During the Watergate hearings and the subsequent resignation, my kids
    watched it all on tv.  My youngest was 5 in '74 and when Nixon was
    shown walking to the helicopter she said, 'the witch is dead'.  
    what a timeitwasatimeitwas 
    
    carol

    
    	Well, for completeness, I tunred 23 this past August, but it was
    for the 17th time.
    
    

    
    
    	Another old weird one checking in........
    
    
    	Glen(n)....on the far side of 40.........
    

    re .62
    
      Well, I did shag my old fart ass to the Horse on Saturday night and
    had a good time doing it.  Does that mean I am not really an Old
    Fart(tm)?  What about the rest of youz geezers?  Divide Dave and rfb
    have (reasonably) good excuses for not showing but the rest of you,
    well...
    
      :-)
    
      I did see Josh, Geoff S and Robin there.  I was quite impressed with
    Geoff's dancing.  Gotta hand it to a guy who can do the "Jerry's
    Children Bump" while holding a beer mug and not loosing a single drop! 
    I mean he had that thumb hook and finger curl down pat!  I also noticed
    that once the beer was gone the JCB gained new intensity us old farts
    only dream of achieving.  :-)
    
    Marv
    

re       <<< Note 377.5 by PCOJCT::TURNOF "Greetings from the Big Apple" >>>

>    I turned 39 in August or as I prefer to put it....Jack Benny & I have
>    something in common for the rest of our lives!!!
 

You've got to be kidding Fredda!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez, you didn't look anywhere near 39 when i saw you in albany
last year!

    JC-
    
    That's cause I think young!!!  Or, as my sister-in-law so aptly put it
    a few years ago...."you're not still going to go to those rock concerts
    when you're 40, are you?"
    
    To which I replied....(you know the answer!)
    
    Fredda

Well, I'm 28...  I would not mind being 23 again.  I started noting here when
I was Danielle's age .... incredible.

    jeez, I started noting here when I was JC's age ... incredible.

    I've got shoes and underwear older than Danelle.  :-)
    
    Marv
    

>    I've got shoes and underwear older than Danelle.  :-)

Hey Marv, that's MY line!!! ;-)

tim

    this ole farts YOUNGEST daughter (13) went to her first rock-show last
    nite, by herself, except for big sister (16). Sunshine 60 and Cracker.
    Cracker bailed out after 3 songs cause of the singers throat...but
    Lindsey still thought it was COOL!!!!!!!! %^)
    
    sigh....how does that song go?
     "New ones come as the old ones go....."
    rfb

WOW!  times sure go fast.
just read the first, oh, 30 or so replies....

jc_31

    Ok, let's 'fess up. 
    
    I was born 14-Oct-51.
    
    	
    	dave_almost_45_and_proud_except_for_the_aches_in_the_joints_and_
    	fat_around_the_belly_and_the_slowness_in_the_reaction_times_
    	and....
    

    
    Ok,Ok I'll fee up also
    
      Born 12-11-48
    
     I also have a lot of joints, some ache some don't, I'll leave that
    where it's at. Not much fat yet I keep hiking and going so I don't plan
    on a fat belly. Reaction times and eyes are getting worse.
    
    
     Who's next
    
    Divide Dave

    11/10/50   need lifestyle change.... NO WORK

    Okay, another over-40:
    
    Born 08-SEP-53
    
    Actually, I'm in the best shape I've ever been in, so getting past the
    4-0 was not that big a deal. The eyesight is getting a bit worse but
    the reaction time has improved for some reason. It's probably the
    additional caffeine that I need to stay awake!
    
    Mike

	hey Mike - unless I see you at SlipOuttaSummer this weekend -
	today will be my last chance to wish ya a Happy Birthday!

	Debess

um, how OLD does one have to be to be considered an old fart?  or put in a 
kinder, gentler tone, what chronological age does one have to attain to be
considered as such?

Wes_36_cool_uncle_who_parties_with_his_nephews

how much life experience does one need to qualify as "middle aged"
these days?   

i'm afraid that if you guys are "old farts" and only in your 40's then
i might be facing my mid-life crisis at a mere 35!   :^)

			da ve_who_thinks_of_people_as
			"my age"_and_"not my age"_now_
			but_"my age"_gets_to_be_a_wider_
			range_every_year  :^)

ouch!  :^)  notes collisions...  gotta luv 'em! :^)

and another early Happy Birthday to Mike!  :^)

	re: Divide's note: I'm interested in the ones that don't ;-)

    yeah happy birthday mike

	yeah, I was reading a book this week and it was describing a 
	character as a "middle-aged woman" and then later on said
	she was 40 - threw me!  Don't have the mindset to think of
	myself as middle-aged yet!

	;-)

    it was a very good date:
    
    Born 08-SEP-54
    
    Hey Mike, let me know when things start to deteriorate so I'll have a
    year to get ready :-)
    
    /rick
    

    Wow
    
    let's just make this the old farts' conference
    
    
    screw the note title

	

	35 here... same as you da ve what month wuz you born?

	I have a hard time judging how old people are because I
	still feel/act like a 18 yr old at times



	Toby

    b. 4/19/54, but aiming to be..

    19Forever

march 16, 1961

	the world needs more pisceans...  :^)

				da ve

I'm with Da ve...

WO hit the scene March 9, 1960

Drink Like a Fish...

happy birthday to /rick too!

29-Oct-54

Looks like October is a lively month...which, of course is an excuse for
a party (not that we really need a steenkin' excuse).

Personally, I found the best way to spend a 40th was with a 27 year old
redhead.  Or any birthday over 18, for that matter...;-)

I'm taking applications for this year's big event. ;-)

The party, I mean. ;-)

tim

    re;
    Personally, I found the best way to spend a 40th was with a 27 year old
    redhead..
    
    
    ANY REDHEAD!!!!   %^)

    
    February 23, 1964, another proud Piscean here
    
    Hogan

    
    RE:Personally, I found the best way to spend a 40th was with a 27 year
    old redhead.. 
    
     ANY REDHEAD!!!!   %^)
    
    I could spend any birthday with a REDHEAD!!!!!!
    
     Nothing left to do but smile,smile,smile!
    
    Divide Dave 
    

    
    
    re:re: Divide's note: I'm interested in the ones that don't ;-)
    
     I had better not touch that one, the reply that is!
    
      . .
       ,
     \___/
    
     Divide Dave

  October 17, 1954.
  
  Lately, I think of life as an 80 year arc.  (If you're lucky...)
  Years 1-20 are spring, 21-40 summer, 41-60 autumn, 61-80 winter.

  I just find it amusing to think so -- not for sober consideration... 8)
  [Major course changes happened for me at ages 20 and 40, a rank
  coincidinky that started this choo-choo of thought...]

  The idea's kind of taken hold of me though.  It doesn't depress me to be
  over 40, because I decided to treat each 20-year slice o' life as a
  completely separate undertaking...  Esp. if that's the way the road is
  leading me anyway - what the heck.

  Put another way, you get 4 long/strange trips in your life, and 3 of them
  are under your control.  (Unless you marry unwisely in summer... or your
  ungrateful progeny stick you in a home in winter...  Hmm, I better get
  crackin' here in autumn!   8)

  To answer the question though:  Old fartdom indisputably starts at 40.
  40's the midpoint of the arc, the peak of the mountain...
  
  But ya don't all-out barrel down that proverbial Far Side, until winter... 8)
  Lord knows I'm counting on fooling everyone through autumn.

  Both my parents were extremely active fun seekers, teaching and traveling
  throughout their 60s and 70s...  My dad died at 76 while on vacation in
  Monterey.  From where I sit today, hell, I'd settle for that!  Give me 35
  more years and I'll blaze new trails in old fartdom.    - JayC.

	6/3/52
	
	pass the geritol.
	
	and, SPEAK UP, dammit.

    re .95
    
    "You're only as old as the women you feel."  -- Groucho Marx
    
    

    
    24-Feb-1960,
      Another pisces, pahty like a bass-tahd.
    	
    

love that Groucho remark...hey MNelson, that's FISH Rool, not Phish...sorry
you Phish-heads, but I don't thnk they've become a "sign" yet :)))

    11-1-59 for me.  Don't mess with a Scorpio, you've been warned ;-)

    /Ken

         <<< Note 377.105 by AWECIM::HANNAN "Beyond description..." >>>
>    11-1-59 for me.  Don't mess with a Scorpio, you've been warned ;-)

Ahhh,  fellow Scorpio!

11-17-56.

bob

|     ANY REDHEAD!!!!   %^)
    

...over 18, of course...;-)

    8/26/54
    
    I guess that makes me a Virgo and 42 a week and a half ago.
    
    About 10 years ago my sister-in-law asked if I planned to continue
    going to those rock shows when I was 40.  I, of course, said yes!  And,
    BTW I hope to be going when I'm 50, 60, 70, 80, 90+~!!
    
    While I definitely don't look it age does start creeping up in small
    ways - can you say reading glasses!!!
    
    My 20 year college reunion is over the Colubus Day weekend - it should
    be interesting to see not only if I remember anyone, but, see how
    they're looking!
    
    later,
    
    Fredda

>    ways - can you say reading glasses!!!

    I can! only in my case it's spelled "bifocals"  :-)

Tom

7-29-65

Lucky Leo!!

> Ahhh,  fellow Scorpio!
>
> 11-17-56.

I showed up on the scene four years after Bob...

Dan

    Yo Jay, I've been thinking in exactly the same "20 year span" way as you
    describe.  It actually first occurred to me on my 20th, and then I had
    long sobering meditation on it during my 40th.  Feels like the 3rd
    quarter, and we've got the ball...
    
    /rick