Conference marvin::uk_music

    Well, thank you, UBOHUB::WAR_INSTSCO, that's all I need to know!
    
    Bob
    
    
    
    p.s. Tim, can I borrow one of your obligatory smilies please?
    

    I bought the single you mentioned last Thursday 'Move'. On Saturday
    I went out and bought their other 4 E.P.s from this year.
    
    It's bloody good stuff.
    
    One of the Mancs scallie bands - check out recent concert review.
    
    It's hard to pick a favourite track from the ones I've got now.
    They're all really good. Probably 'Find Out Why', 'Butterfly', 'Joe'
    or 'Move'.
    
    Their best song has to be the - as yet unreleased - So this is how
    it feels.
    
    Check 'em out.
    
    Bruce

    So this is 'scally', eh Bruce? From my NME a few weeks ago, I had
    thought these bands were playing (to paraphrase the pop press)
    'recycled 70's progressive rock riffs' or some such.
    
    Care to fire any more worthwhile names at me?
    
    Bob

    O.K....
    
    Ready,
    
    Aim,
    
    Happy Mondays - New E.P. out now 'Madchester' or summat - bit clumsy
    (well they were last year)
    
    Bridewell Taxis - New E.P. just recorded (out January) - I like
    these alot. Slightly more poppy than the others...excellent trombone.
    
    Stone(yeach)Roses. - New E.P. out this week!
    
    James - Seem to be attracting the 'scallies' but unlike any of the
    others, James have their 'own' sound. New E.P. ('Come Home') out
    next week.
    
    All of the above seem to have something new and original about them
    (apart from S.R. IMO only!) and all are worth checking out.
    
    Bruce.

The INspiral Carpets hit edinburgh tomorrow night and Thomas and I have got our
tickets for this sold out show ... we'll post a review on Thursday.

I've had a Inspiral Carpets tape for some time now and it's pretty good stuff.
The tracks are "Keep the Circle Around", "Seeds of Doubt", "Joe", "Causeway",
"Inside my Head", "Sun Don't Shine", "Theme from Cow", "Butterfly", "26", 
"Garage Full of Flowers", and "96 Tears" ... it's that Dung4 tape that Bruce
bought at the Inspirals gig he was at but cos I'm hipper than him I got mine at
least 2 weeks before that ... I have it playng on my Walkman at work most of the
time.  

It's worth noting that those aging punks The Stranglers have released "96 Tears"
as their latest single, the song was written by Rudy Martinez ... did he release
it himself or was it a hit for some other group?

I'm really looking forward to tonight ...

Stuartp

    Re 96 Tears:-
    
    *Millions* of Artists have done covers of this track. The two I can
    remember at the moment are:
    	Big Maybelle (sixties black soul singer)
    and
    	The Prisoners (Early to mid 80s Garage band)
    
    j/

    PS My boss thinks "Marv Johnson" (who?!) sung it first cause he
    says that is always the answer to this type of question!!!
    ;^)
    J/

    Didn't ? and the Mysterions do a version...? Anyway, if you like
    that sort of 60's garage music, check out the double lp 'Nuggets',
    or even the first Johnathan Richman and the Modern Lovers lp.
    
    BTW, whatever happened to the Prisoners? Good band.
    
    Bob

    You heard of the Prisoners?!!!!
    
    Bloody hell, you are the first Non-Mod (I used to be a mod) I have
    ever known who heard of the Prisoners!!!
    
    The prisoners split up several years ago (about 2 or 3) due to dodgy
    record companies, etc. Jamie Taylor (the organ player) formed a
    group called "The James Taylor Quartet". They play what would be
    classed as acid jazz...like early seventies jazz sounds. 
    I went to see them at the Town and Country club about a year ago
    and they were excellently well finished but not my style of music
    at the time.
    Graham Day formed another group along the same lines as the Prisoners
    using several group members (not Jamie Taylor though). The group
    are called "The Prime-movers". My brother goes to see virtually
    every gig they do and says they are *better* than the Prisoners!
    Judging by his love of the Prisoners' sound, they must be bloody
    good. They have released one record that I know of, but it was only
    to a very small market.
    I might be able to get you some sounds of the Prime-movers if you
    like as my brother has their LP.
    
    Re ? and the Mysterions (sp?) Yeah, I think you are right!
    

    James, cheers, I certainly would like to hear some Prime Movers.
    
    Didn't another ex-Prisoner form a band with one or two ex-Milkshakes
    (another fine band)? could it have been the Len Bright combo, or
    Thee Mighty Caesars? And whatever happened to the Tallboys? Am I
    making all this up...?
    
    Bob

    Bob,

    OK I will get some Prime Movers sounds on their way to you.
    You are based at Welwyn are you not?
        
    I didn't know that any other members of the prisoners formed other
    groups. Mind you, it doesn't surprise me as they were all very
    talented!
    Milkshakes rings a bell though...I have an LP at home with the
    Prisoners on one side and Thee Milkshakes on the other entitled
    aptly "The Prisoners Vs. Thee Milkshakes". It's got a funny froggy
    write up on the back though (but definately British issue).
    I never heard anything more of Thee Milkshakes, more my own fault
    than anything else!
    
    J/

    Thank you, James.
    
    For the unititiated, the Milkshakes played a kind of very rough
    r'n'b or rock and roll, in the style of a very rough and uninhibited
    early sixties beat combo with 'punk sensibility'. I suppose they
    were a part of the early/mid 80s trash or garage thing, along with
    the likes of the Prisoners, Tallboys, Stingrays etc.
    
    This scene had two strands really - one had a kind of 50's feel
    to it, and had its roots in rockabilly/psychobilly, where all the
    bands used stand-up basses, the other had a more 60's feel with
    electric basses, the occasional cheesy organ a la Prisoners etc.
    The key in either case was to play very energetically.
    
    Oh well, back to the Inspirals....
    
    Any news on a forthcoming lp?
    
    Bob

    I saw Inspiral Carpets on Snub tv last week. Played a song, I think
    it was "How does it Feel" ? 
    
    It is the only track I have heard by them, as I have previously
    missed them in indie charts due to their "scallie" label.
    
    I think I have been missing out. Is all their other stuff as good
    as the track I heard ? 
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Juju, what I have heard of them is a lot better (IMO). The last
    single, 'Move', was in the same sort of vein as the current one,
    whereas everything else I have heard, such as 'Find out Why', 'Joe'
    and 'Butterfly', has been a lot more raucous, and faster, with
    blistering guitar and Hammond organ right up front. 
    
    Still looking forward to the lp......
    
    Bob

    More Indie ? 
    
    I think the Inspirals may have a new fan......
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    And me!
    
    I saw them for the first time on Snub - I hadn't heard anything up
    'till then.  I loved it and so bought the current 12".  Now I'm after
    the remix and the previous 12"s.  I only bought it last night and I've
    played it about 25 times since then!
    
    
    matty

    aaahhhggg. 
    
    Me owning a record Matt Brown has....My street cred is shattered.
    
    Where are me flares then ?
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

The new Inspiral single is getting remixed by Renegade Soundwave, who were 
responsible for that brilliant track "Probably a Robbery" shown on Snub a few
weeks back, and who were name-checked on PWEI's "Can U Dig It".

I agree with a few back that most of the previous Carpets stuff is blistering
guitars and hammond organ, I personally thought that the 2 tracks on Snub were
of poor sound quality, although when we saw them live they were HOT!

Another person waiting for the album.
Stuartp.

    Hey, GREBO::GURU, where are you?  
    
    I see the Inspiral Carpets are touring very soon; doubtless this
    will be your last chance to see them before they spend two years
    making an album, only tour once every three years etc. Is anyone
    intending seeing them anywhere? I'd like to get hold of tickets
    for the Cambridge gig on (I think) May 6.
    
    Bob

    HI Bob...I'm seeing them at Cambridge ( a long way from
    Reading)...There were still tickets a couple of weeks ago, so give it a
    try.  It would be nice to meet you and see if its true about the
    trousers...
    
    Mikef

    It's not the trousers you have to worry about, it's my ludicrous
    taste in shirts.
    
    Bob

I saw the Carpets about a month ago, worth every penny!

James on Snub tonight.

    I read that there are 250,000 of these milk bottles around, and for 16
    weeks.  I haven't seen any yet, but I have people looking out for them.
    
    LP `Life' is out any time now.
    
    
    matty

    Release date for the lp is next Monday. Extensive search of the
    Stalybridge/Dukinfield area of Greater Manchester by a friend has
    so far yielded zero milk bottles         
    
    Bob

    I've been offered some Happy Cow milk bottles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *************HEADLINE NEWS TO THOSE WHO DONT KNOW*********************
    
    INSPIRALS COMMING TO READING 6TH MAY READING UNI STUDENT UNION.....
    
    TICKETS 5.50 EACH 
    
    APPARENTLY (BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT) AVALIABLE AT HMV & LISTEN
    RECORDS.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

I saw the Inspirals over a year ago when they were supporting James at the 
Dominion and thought `Christ, this is the ugliest pop group since the Rolling 
Stones', but, ugly as they were, the Hammond organ sound was quite groovy and 
they got most of the relatively small crowd dancing.

The album `Life' is not really anything to get worked up about.  Some of the
more up-tempo numbers are quite good, and the deranged childlike lyrics are
interesting in places but all in all it's just another rattly old indie band 
from oop north.  It contains the last single, `This is How it Feels' with the
correct lyrics in it. (The single version was changed due to the fact that lyrics
about suicide don't sell very many records, and that's a fact, pop kids!)

Lee

    I just went to Reading to buy my ticket for the Inspiral Carpets
    playing at Reading University.  HMV on Oxford road in Reading have
    about 20 - 30 left so you'd better hurry if you still want to go.
          
    Russ. 

    Anyone wanna get me one if they are passing...?
    
    Bob

    And I'm going all the way from Reading to Cambridge just to see 'em,
    and in the hope of meeting Bob G., and now both of 'em are coming to
    Reading.  Makes ya think...
    
    Mikef

    Bob, I have got you a ticket....
    
    Tell me your Vital statistics and I will send it to you.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    By the way, Hmv have no tickets left, and Listen had around 120
    as from 12:00 today.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    ahhhhhhhhhhgggghhhh\
    
    
    Should I go to Reading as well as Cambridge???  The Uni is only a 5 min
    drive from my abode....what to do???
    
    Mikef  (Dithering of Newbury)

    Make your mind up soon, cos tickets are "Selling like hotcakes"
    apparently.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Mike, go to Reading, you fool!!!! (Sorry about the Cambridge gig,
    I can't make that date)
    
    Juju, thanks at least 50,000,000!!!
    
    Expect remuneration in the post and a drinkie at the gig!!!!
                           
    Whoopeeeeee!!!!!!!
    
    Bob

    BTW, Juju, I'm at Welwyn (WLO) Facilities. Does anyone know who
    the support are on the 6th?
    
    Bob

    Ok - you guys talked me into it, I'll ask my other-half to go into
    Reading and get tix tomorrow lunchtime.
    
    Just think...JuJu, Bobby G, Richie Rich, all under one roof, at last
    I'll see what these guys look like...I shall wear my best wig.
    
    
    Mikef

    I fear a person/group called Baby Ford are/is the support.
    If they were the infiltrators into Indiedom with, and I quote,
    
    "Boom boom chikki chikki ahhh" Then I have every intention of turning
    up Late.  
    
    I shall be recognised by my absence of Flares and loud colours.
    If the ticket goes to eternal male does "Bob Green @ WLO" do ?
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Baby Ford is a person, not a group.  It's Hi NRG dance/House stuff. 
    The LP is brilliant, if you like that sort of thing, and very
    consistent.
    
    
    matty

	Bob will be recognised by his flares and shirt.

    I have a spare ticket from a friend who has pulled out...
    
    Anyone want to buy it ? 
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    No one this end, Juju. What about Mike Fiddler?
    
    Bob

    
    
    Juju,
    
    There is somebody here who is looking for a ticket!
    
    His name is Paul Dewar, Tel 7852 4047.
    
    Paul

    
    O.K. It goes to paul......(unless he changes his mind.)
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Paul, 
    	Your Ticket is at the WLC somewhere.....................
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Paul Dewar now has his ticket!
    
    Cheers Juju.
    
    
    Paul

    Right, you chaps who are going to be there, this is the plan. Look
    for one balding fellow in a red Brassneck T-shirt (that's Mikef),
    and another fellow with glasses and a very loud red shirt with horrible
    blue, yellow, gree and black blobs (that's me). 
    
    Dress code optional, but no flares please.
    
    Bob

    AAh Mike, You're secrets out. Dont worry I wont tell anyone!
    
    Rich.
    

    
    Boy, am I p***ed off I'm not going!
    
    Rich(hint):-)
    

    I'm doing my best (and I'm not married!!!)
    
    Mikef
    
    PS Rich, If you want, I know someone who has two spare tickets for The
    Inspirals in Cambridge next Tuesday night...its not far from
    Basingstoke (honest!!).

    o.k, look for someone dressed in black, with white socks and a short
    ponytail in their hair........
    
    With 2 other more normal looking people......
    
    You might find us then....I will more than likely be closer to the
    back cos I am only short......
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    
    Wow what a gig.  The inspiral's excelled themselves- great music,
    good slide show and an electrifying atmosphere.	
    
    	My claim to fame- I started the chanting for 'Joe' at the encore!!
    
    I was standing right at the front in the middle wearing a ringing
    wet (with sweat) "MOO" top.  I don't think my mum would have been
    too pleased if I'd have bought a "Cool as F**k" top.
    
    I looked for people of the descriptions you gave in this note but
    I didn't pick anyone out.
    
    
    JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE-JOE etc..etc
    
    
    Russell.

    
    Oh, I forgot to describe my trousers.  You'll remember me if you
    saw them!!
    
    They're jeans with 'Harlequin patterned material' INSERTS in the
    bottoms.  Bell bottoms take on a whole new meaning.
    
    btw. Did any body here of an outcome from the raffle.  I paid for
    5 tickets to win a signed T-shirt but I never even heard of a raffle
    taking place.  Oh well C'est la vie.
    
    
    Russell.
     

    Well, wow, what can I say.....
    
    Winner of Raffel was no 120.
    
    I found Mr Fiddler and his other Half. At this stage, my friend
    and I would like to congratulate him on his taste, and we don't
    mean the t-shirt Mike....!!! 
    
    Also Found Mr Bob Green, and erm, well, er, nice shirt Bob...!
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Yup...'twas a great gig.  I would reccomend the inspirals if you fancy
    a rave.
    
    We also obeyed the first two laws of this Notes conference:
    
    Where two or more people from UK_MUSIC are gathered together, they shall
    discuss Bruce Sturrock.
    
    And those people shall then go on to slag of off Mattybs' musical
    tastes.  (Just joking Matty ;-).. )
    
    Seriously tho...a great gig.
    
    Mikef

    I really do reckon the LP sounds like Blondie's Plastic Letter LP.

    I was seriously impressed; so loud, and those lights!! They even
    put my shirt in the shade.....
    
    Bob

    If any of you are up early enough, watch 8:15 form Manchester on BBC1 on
    Saturday morning.  I think this week they will be featuring the Carpets,
    they also wrote the theme tune....
    
    Craig.

    I noticed in an ad. in last week's "NME" that the U.S. issue of
    their "Life" album has FOUR extra tracks over the U.K. release.
    Does anyone know what the additional tracks are?

    Jan, what do you think of `Commercial Rain'?  It's not typical of them
    and I personally don't think it's much kop.  But then I only have one
    mix.  Are you giving it away?  I'd be glad to have it instead of
    `Burning Up'.
    
    matty

    I'll type the whole song list in tonight or tomorrow. Since I don't
    have the UK version...Ed

    Dougie-
    
    I have it at home, but I think Ed will beat me to it.  (It's that
    time zone thing.)    -Vicki

    	Dougie,
    
    	Ignore my previous mail message!
    
    	- Jim

    Hah! Beat you all!!!!!!!!!
    
    Inspiral Carpets - "LIFE"
    
    1. Real Thing			 9. Monkey on my Back
    2. Song for a Family		10. Sun Don't Shine
    3. Commercial Rain			11. Inside my Head
    4. This is how it Feels		12. Move
    5. Directing Traffik		13. Weakness
    6. Many Happy Returns		14. Biggest Mountain
    7. Memories of You			15. I'll Keep it in Mind
    8. She Comes in the Fall		16. Sackville
    
    Ed (and mine only cost $8!!!!!!!)
    

    Ed, ta much for the info. - as Jim Z. and I were discussing off-line,
    it bugs me when record (or, in this case, CD) companies release 
    different versions of an album in different geographies.  In the case 
    of "Life", I believe they've omitted one track from the original U.K. 
    release, but added the four tracks from their recent U.K. e.p. ...
    why?!?!  Is there any real need to do this?  Beats me ....
    
    Other examples of this genre include the Stone Roses (2 extra tracks
    in the U.S.), FYC 1st (2 extra 12" mixes in the U.S.) and The Wonder
    Stuff's "Eight-Legged Groove Machine (4 or 5 extra tracks in the
    U.S.).  The only major U.K. release that I own which has more tracks
    (4, I think) than its U.S. counterpart is Lloyd Cole/Commotions'
    splendid debut, "Rattlesnakes".  ;^)

    I don't suppose it'd be worth starting a separate topic on this
    subject?  Or would it ....  :-)

    4 extra Lloyd Cole tracks is correct, Dougie.
    
    Bob

    Yeah, it's a bugger when they do this, but it makes collecting fun,
    albeit expensive.
    
    
    matty

One of the reasons for the extra US tracks is the albums are released MONTHS
after the UK releases...The Wedding Presents BIZARRO had the Brassneck EP on
the  album  here but I had mine for 6 months before it was released...The US
version  of LIQUIDIZER by JESUS JONES had 2 extra tracks but I had the UK CD
for  9  months...We  get  burnt worse because we end up paying UK prices for
things  that  get  released  domestically (who would have thought that Jesus
Jones  would  have  released  their  album here?!?) and then miss out on the
extra tracks...Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Okay, start a topic!

Ed

Wot, no review of the new album yet? I've just read through all of this Note, 
and a year ago, they were the hottest thing around! So I thought I'd have  a 
go and see what they were up to now. 

I haven't heard much of the earlier stuff, but if it was described accurately
as 'hot guitars and Hammond organ up front', what's happened to the guitars?!!
The whole album (only 1 listen so far so I might change my mind!) just seems
to have the Hammond as its only idea. 

BUT, I did like it!! And will listen more carefully again soon. 

Any opinions?

grahame

    I heard the new single once and I was really impressed.
    They seemed to have matured quite a bit.  But then again, it was
    only one of the songs.  Is the rest as good?
    
    -Vicki

    I've listened to the LP a few times and overall I'm dissapointed.
    
    `Caravan' is about the best of the bunch of their usual fast/fastish
    type of song.  The only tracks I find interest in are the slower ones
    (don't ask me for titles).  It all sounds like their worst track off
    `Life' only with new synth/string sounds in the background.
    
    I long for the days of `This Is How It Feels', `Find Out Why',
    `Commercial Rain' etc.
    
    I wish I'd bought the `Massive' LP instead.
    
    
    matty

  I have been told that the Inspirals have covered a Carter song ( and thus
  returned the favour). Does anybody know which song?

  Stuart

    Stuart,
    
    Just to let you know that you have got it the wrong way around. Cartter
    have coved and Inspirals song. This song is This is how feels, and it
    is on Carter's After the Watersheed CD single.
    
    Leanne
    

            <<< Note 536.76 by SUBURB::PARSONSL "LEANNE PARSONS" >>>
                             -< Inspirals/Carter >-

>    Stuart,
    
>    Just to let you know that you have got it the wrong way around. Cartter
>    have coved and Inspirals song. This song is This is how feels, and it
>    is on Carter's After the Watersheed CD single.
    
>    Leanne
 

Leanne,

Thanks .... I have been sorely led astray. Being a "bit of a Carter fan",
I bought  "After the Watershed ( Early learning the difficult way)" when it
hit the shops. 
Whilst we are talking about the Inspirals, they cover "Tainted Love" on the
Ruby Trax album. Me?, well I can't wait to hear the Neds version of "I've never
been to me".

Stuart    

    If I don't say so myself the Carter USM version of "This is how it
    feels" is utter crap and can't even be compared to the Inspirals
    version.
    
    Gary

      <<< Note 536.78 by SUBURB::WAITEG "Milwall - footballer's graveyard" >>>

>    If I don't say so myself the Carter USM version of "This is how it
>    feels" is utter crap and can't even be compared to the Inspirals
>    version.
    
    Gary,

    So who does. Name names. They obviously have the musical appreciation
    of someone who has er...err... very little musical appreciation.

    Stuart

    Re 79
    
    Stuart,
    
    The name you are looking for is - Guy Warburton.  

    I greatly prefer the Carter version, myself.
    
    Piers