Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    
    	Never watched it, its not available in the UK, unless you have
       cable TV which is not that widespread yet. The best video programs
       i've seen in the UK over the past few years are/were The Max
       Headroom Show and the Chart show.
        The Chart Show is great, no presenters just the vid's and some
       good graphics in between, plus its not just the top 40 but the
       dance charts and for a change the Indies aswell.
    
    
    		Grub.....

    MTV I used to enjoy (saw it in 1981/2), but when I watched it at
    all last year, it seemed to be on a par with the majority of American
    television (not a compliment, I'm afraid). The "games" on MTV are
    absolute rubbish.
    
    Keith

                 
    The Chart show is one of the better programs on at the moment. 
    I used to enjoy watching "No Limits" 'til it was banned by a certain
    "lady" who shal remain nameless...
                 
    -Tony        
                 
    BTW - I'm reliably informed that MTV has been nicknamed eMpTyV.
                 
    'nuff said...

    The only good thing about MTV (in the USA) is that they show Python
    (Monty that is) and the Young Ones.
    
    Otherwise I never bother watching it. There's too much junk between
    the few good songs.
    
    Mike (a Briton in the USA)

    re.0
    >> I think it's gone seriously downhill, and something's gotta
    >> be done
    
    Part of the problem, I think, is that they don't cater to us,
    reasonably adult, reasonably intelligent folks.  They direct
    themselves to the young teenager, again imo, so we've lost any
    chance of seeing the format we've been used to.
    
    It's trash. 
    

    I still hang on MTV every now and then when channel hopping.
    Their alternative music half hour (I forget the name) on at about
    11:30PM Eastern is OK.
    
    Also, I like catching their hour long concerts.  I posted this question
    in another notesfile, but does anyone know when MTV shows their
    concerts nowadays.  It used to be Saturday evenings.  Is that still
    true?  I'm looking for a Sugarcubes concert that I heard would be
    broadcast sometime in January.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    -Scott

    
      The BBCs new show  SNUB seems to be OK, dealing mainly with the
    sort of bands that don't get so much tv recognition.  Any show that
    starts with The House of Love doing Destroy The Heart has got to
    be alright with me!
    
    Mike

    
    Huh ... SNUB ??   I'm trying to stay away from the dreaded 'box'
    but this sounds good .
    
    When is it on ?
    
    	Stuart .

    
    It's Mondays at 7 pm on BBC2 and repeated at a late night time later
    in the week. Could be Sunday but not sure. Well worth watching for
    House Of Love. They do Man To Child as well. Brill. Got it on
    video for posterity. Also included Cookie Crew, Yello & Fugazi.
                                      
    Bodes well for the future.
    
    		Ian.

      Its repeated late on a sunday night on BBC2.
    I think future shows are going to cover Sonic Youth, Wedding Present,
    Dinosaur Jr, and loads of obscure goodies.  Is this the show we'veall
    been waiting for?
    Mike
    
    PS.  Did anyone watch the chart show 88 round up over Crimble. 
    There were a few good videos, but one fact that stuck out was that
    they do charts based on musical type , eg dance, heavy metal,  but
    the indie charts are based on label type.  This means that the indie
    top ten for 88 was full of Kylie Minogue, and a couple of the years
    dance hits (which were also covered in the dance charts).  This
    means that bands such as The Wedding Present, Sugarcubes, House
    of Love, etc , who have had quite large 'indie hits' were not shown.
      I think this is very unfair.  Perhaps they should have some musical
    category of their own (Peelie type music, perhaps?)
    Mike 

    RE -11.   Yes and the dance charts (which means *soul* to me) had
    all this House nonsense in it.   Maybe they need to re-think their
    categories ??

    Snub last night was brilliant!!! 
    Sonic Youth and World Domination Enterprises.
    Does anyone know anything about the group whose video they showed
    ( the one in the pub ), I can't remember the groups name, but i
    hadn't heard of them before.
    
    Mike F.

    SNUB - Good programme!!
    
    Caught the House of Love/Fugazi/Yello edition on Sunday, but misheard
    the time of repeat (I thought that one was repeated next day) so
    I didn't see last night's.....
    
    Roll on next Sunday - Sonic Youth, eh??!!
    
    Good luck SNUB
    
    Bob

    
    The band in the pub's name was AC MARIAS.
    
    Never heard of them before but sounded interesting.
    
    			Ian.

    Yes, SNUB's turning out very well. I saw the Daily Mirror's tv guide
    description of it for the first programme: "A new programme for unusual
    and non chart-oriented music, ie boring". What a bunch of tossers...
    (is that word allowed?).
    
    Can anyone say what the Butthole Surfers have on LP? I really enjoyed
    their bit last night.
    
    
    Rod 

       Have to agree, SNUB is turning out to be brilliant.  Butthole
    Surfers were great, anyone reccomend any albums?
    
    Mike

    I think the Butthole Surfers are from Boston...at least they're
    around here often enough to make me think they are.
    
    Maybe Alan Starr knows what they've done.
    
    Sue

    
    The only butthole surfers album I can recall is `Locust abortion
    technician', but this is a couple of years old.  There is a more recent
    one but the title eludes me.  They are an American group, maybe from
    Boston.  I would research it more but I can't stand the noisy gits.
    
    	Lee.

    
    
    	Was the Surfers album of last year not "Hairway To Steven".
    	Thought they were excellent the other night as well.
    
    	They are on the same label as Sonic Youth and NME ran a discography
    	of all the releases just a couple of months back. I think the
    	label is Blast First.

    I watched SNUB for the first time last night; what a load of
    prententious cr*p! (That's bound to upset some people...)
    
    Won't Auntie Beeb ever get it right ? We either have to endure the
    sycophantic commercialism of Top Of The Pops, or at the other end of
    the scale, the cacophonic SNUB with music(?!) that probably only
    appeals to 3 people in the whole country! What about the rest of us? 
    There's a wealth of good non-chart music in this country without
    having to scrap the bottom of somebody's shoe to find acts, which is 
    obviously where SNUB's offerings last night came from...
    
    Angry of Basingstoke
     

    It may be that there is a load of good, non-chart music around,
    but it may also be that what YOU consider falls into that category
    is different from the next homo sapien. After all, if it was *that*
    popular, it'd be in the charts..
    
    Keith
    
    PS Nice performance Thurs-Fri-Sat, Andy! (That'll get the others
    wondering!)

    Wot crap? I thought the butthole Surfers were well good......
    disturbing, noisy, maybe - but I'd like to hear more.
    
    Bob

    SNUB - Returns tonight at 6.00pm on BBC2
    
    In the Y.T.V. region there's this Music Box programme thats on at
    3.00am every Wednesday...it's along similar lines to Snub...but
    it's on for an hour so it covers twice as much...you usually get
    2-3 interviews each week and something like 8 videos. Stuff from
    recent weeks include a feature on Sisters of Mercy, The Fall, James,
    Spacemen 3, Edwin Collins, The Hypnotics, The Wolfhounds plus a
    special feature on all the bands that have been involved with the
    Creation label (ie House of Love!)...loads and loads of goodies.
    
    Write a letter to your local I.T.V. station demanding it's inclusion
    in their schedules NOW!

    
    Good news, SNUB used to be on at some unearthly hour on Sunday morning
    so I always had to set the video ... caught some great videos ...
    Freak Scene- Dinosaur Jr, Teenage Riot and Addicted to Love - Sonic
    Youth, The Mercy Seat - Ultra Vivid Scene ... had all these plus
    more on video until my wife taped over, suppose I should have marked
    the tape.
    
    I used to tape a lot of stuff of the Tube and still have a tape
    with some good stuff ... REM, JAMC, The Fall, Undertones plus lots
    more (some crap too!).
    
    Anyone else got any Tube vids.
    
    Stuart.

    Is this a new series of Snub, or a repeat?
    
    Bob

    I think it's a new series...last nights was titled 'The Yello story'
    and revolved around interviews with the two idiots from the band.
    
    Hopefully next weeks will be better.
    
    Bruce

    
    I have got about 7 or 8 videos with extracts from TOTP/OGWT/Tube plus
    some specials (e.g. Associates in concert,Tom Petty in concert).
    
    It should be a laugh watching them again in twenty years time,
    especially classics from the Jesus & Mary Chain, Iggy Pop etc.
    
    		regards,
    			Ian.

    I thought I'd seen a programme about the Yello chappies before?
    
    Bob

    You were right...it was a repeat and I think it was just a one off.
    
    B.S.

    Maybe they should change their name into BTV - Babble TV.
    
    A disappointed one,
    Sjaak.

    
    Could someone tell me when Unplugged is shown, and if they have shown
    Eric Claptons one yet?
    
    Anu

    
    
    MTV "Unplugged" are not a regular occourence and are shown from time to
    time with limited advertising..... Sorry, can't tell you if Eric has
    been on yet, but the newspaper listings may show when the next one
    is.....
    
    Greg...

    Eric Clapton has been on before, but they rerun old ones mixed
    with new ones...
    
    TV Guide has listings for MTV, so you might check there.
    
    _BILL_
    

    Anyone see "The Beavis and Butthead" weekend on MTV last weekend...??
    
    
    
    Steve

    Got a glips of it, but all I saw were a lot of reruns
    
    Too bad, looks like these guys are out of inspiration!!!
    
    Mark

"Beavis and Butthead" are great. Like Wayne's World without the intellect.


Rod

    Sorry Keith... I didn't tape it but ill tape this weekends coming up
    as they are mostly repeats...... 

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    Colin...


    I think you will have to ask the:: 
    
    Producer/editor/director/cameraman/soundman/  Himself if you want to 
    see THAT Video..... But I think your chances are very slim....  *:@)
    
    
    Yes Keith.... Ill bring the Video once Ive taped it...!!!
    
    huh huh huh huh......huh huh huh....... 

    From what I saw on T.V...His Neighboods said that his Family didn't
    have Cable T.V and that this kid was Always burnin stuff AnyWays..
    It Pisses_Me_Off to see this whole"Too Much Violence on T.V"Thang
    Rearin it's head again...and again...and again....
    
             Crazy_Un_Plug_It_Al
    

    I saw the news this morning and they haven't mentioned if the kid was
    allowed to watch the show.  His sister was killed in the accident.
    
    They are however definitely blaming it on the show, whether it's true
    or not, I don't know.
    
    Nancy

    Not to be picky, but it was a girl who burn down her trailer and killed
    her 2 yr old sibling.  
    
    My question is:  who leaves a 5 & 2 yr old home alone with a box of
    matches??
    
    -Vicki

    
    	Here here!
    
    	I wouldn't let my son stay in alone - he's ten.
    
    	Don't think there's any laws over here - 16 to babysit thats all/

    -Does Any_One Have A Clue??
    
    -Vicki,It was a Brother that caused A fire In the Trailer/House that
    him and his Famaliy Lived in.Hes Sister was Killed.This was no
    Accident.This was a Trobled/Pyro Kid Left Alone.
    
    If We're thinkin of Different Tragic_Advents..Well,That's Different.
    The Bevis_And_ButtHead is takin the Rap for the Incident that I'm
    Relayin,Tho..
    
                     Crazy_Sad_Al

As Frank Zappa states, 99% of what we see on TV and hear in songs is LOVE! But the
world doesn't all go around loving each other does it? The connection between TV
and records and violence must be *very* loose indeed, since the connection between
TV and records and love should be much more prominent but seems to be non-existent. 
It is just more lucrative to publicize acts of violence than it is to publicize 
acts of love.

John

Having worked at other sites a few times recently, I've been able to watch
MTV in the evenings at my hotel. First impression is, it's great just to be
able to tune into an endless series of pop vids since, let's face it, the
money spent per minute in a video must be much greater than most of the
junk filling other tv channels. But after a few hours of MTV I'm not so
impressed.

It's relentlessly mainstream, being dominated by a few current singles in
heavy rotation, the big-selling artists, and hits from the past decade
we've all heard too often already. There are some interesting programs,
such as Sunday evening's 120 Minutes (MTV's Indie ghetto) but too few and
often quite late. The dance program is on at some obscenely late hour.
After midnight any night you might see some more obscure stuff.

There's a total lack of critical comment, or indeed comment of any kind.
Even CNN can seem mentally stimulating after MTV. MTV's 'rockumentaries'
on your fave bands are uniformly sycophantic. Film reviews are simply an
excuse to show film trailers. The nearest thing to thought you ever see are
weird in-house adverts that exhort you to think for yourself or fight
racism or some similar unarguable point. MTV may be broadcasting to The
Kids but the kids sure don't have any access to broadcast their own views.
Bland presenters in trendy threads shepherd you from one samey programme to
the next. No-one could possibly be offended by MTV.

Unless... they happened to tune into Beavis & Butthead by mistake. How on
earth MTV stumbled onto revolting Beavis and his intellectual powerhouse of
a partner Butthead I do not know. Even MTV seem slightly bemused by it,
prefacing every episode with a "don't try this at home" warning. They are
stupid, metal-obsessed, sex-obsessed ("we need a chick with tattoos on her
butt") loathsome and extremely funny, at their best providing acid
voice-overs for heavy metal videos where they voice all the thoughts
belonging to that part of you that is forever a teen metal-freak. Tuesdays
and Wednesdays at 21.30 CET. Like, I'm there.


Rod

    Anyone Know the Internet Address for MTV Europe....???

    
    As far as I know there was never an MTV homepage run by MTV.
    
    It goes like this:
    
    Adam Curry (MTV employee) sets up Mosaic home page.
    Adam gets permission from MTV to use the Internet address 'mtv.com'
    Adam sets up 'mtv.com' which is loosely linked to MTV.
    Everything runs okay.
    MTC decide that Adam can't use 'mtv.com' anymore.
    Adam resigns from MTV.
    MTV sue him for the 'mtv.com' address.
    
    His home page is currently http://metaverse.com, and there are all of
    the old mtv.com pages there (look under Vibe), including the long
    version of the above story.
    
    Hope this helps!
    
    Steve.