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Title:DIGITAL UNIX(FORMERLY KNOWN AS DEC OSF/1)
Notice:Welcome to the Digital UNIX Conference
Moderator:SMURF::DENHAM
Created:Thu Mar 16 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:10068
Total number of notes:35879

8826.0. "NFS - better than Sun?" by NQOS01::16.29.16.102::Pellerin () Fri Feb 14 1997 00:00

We have been asked to respond to an RFP for a data center cluster that will be 
used solely for NFS services.  The client environment is mostly SUN 
workstations, about 150.  They are all connected via 10BaseT although the 
customer is in the process of migrating to 100BaseT, and the servers in the 
data center are on 100BaseT switches.  The initial size of the NFS area will 
be 120GB growing to 300GB. The access profile (reads vs writes, I/O's vs 
bandwidth) is not clear - according to the customer no one dominant access 
tendency.

I am looking for any competitive advantages that I can flaunt over Sun (who is 
the incumbent and competiton for this RFP).  I have some data but I welcome 
any and all comments, suggestions, gotchas to watch out for, etc.  Anyone who 
has responded to such a request that can share their solution and how you won 
would help.

What are our advantages given we will be serving Sun workstations running 
mostly Solaris (I believe - I am awaiting an answer on that one but its a safe 
assumption)?  Do we have many or is this going to be just a price war?  

I am flaunting our StorageWorks advantages, I need some UNIX ammo.

Thanks,

 -BAP
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8826.1LADDIS? NQOS01::mko-ras-port-6.mko.dec.com::PellerinFri Feb 14 1997 12:3012
Initial searches that I've done to see where we stack up on LADDIS have shown 
that Sun is the predominant player here.  I got my infr from the Ideas 
International page which posts most up to date benchmarks.  

Do we have any LADDIS benchmarks?  Where are they?  Since we helped to create 
the benchmark, are we keeping up with the industry here? 

Coments, suggestions?

Regards,

 -BAP
8826.2Found LADDISNQOS01::mko-ras-port-6.mko.dec.com::PellerinFri Feb 14 1997 12:567
Answering my own reply, I just found the results from the SPEC page.  Looks 
like SPEC operates a little differently than TPC, in that quarterly results 
are posted an not merged with past results.

Any info re .0 is still welcome.


8826.3Pointers to CSD, & LADDIS notesNETRIX::"werme@zk3.dec.com"Ric WermeFri Feb 14 1997 16:5016
See http://sdtad.zko.dec.com/pub/csdpg/ and look for SPEC SFS pointers.
The main one you'll find is SPEC's page
http://www.specbench.org/osg/sfs/results/

One problem we have with Solaris is that Sun wants to do I/O 32 KB at a time.
We still only do 8KB, but we're fixing the server for Steel.  The way Sun
deals with us results in writing the 1st 8KB of several 32KB pieces, then
the 2nd 8KB, etc.  This bamboozles AdvFS's allocation, but apparently that
will be fixed in Steel too.

Sun has much better LADDIS numbers compared to our non-cluster systems, but
we should be working on that too.  In the mid range, Rawhides and Durangos
could be really, really good machines.  CSD is doing SFS runs now, and is
at 6000 ops/sec or so with CPU time left over.  (6000 is about the limit for
2 FDDI loops, which is what they're running, soon to be increased to 3 loops.)
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