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Title:Psychic Phenomena
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
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1851.0. "Winchester House San Jose,CA" by STRATA::THOMAS () Tue Jun 08 1993 06:56

         Has anyone ever been to the Winchester House in San Jose, CA.
    It is said to have 160 rooms, 10,000 windows, 950 doors, 47 fireplaces,
    17 chimneys, 40 bedrooms, 40 staircases, and 52 skylights. The house
    covers six acres and estimated to cost $5.5 million to build.
         The house was built by Sarah Pardee Winchester because she was
    haunted by all the people killed by the Winchester repeating rifle.
    Besides the strange architecture it is said to be haunted.
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1851.1"House Guests"... Literally!AIMHI::BROWNTue Jun 08 1993 13:3424
    	I visited the house while on vacation about 8 years ago and found
    it really amazing!  It seems that Sarah had a very bad case of
    arthritis in her legs and wasn't able to lift her feet higher than four
    or five inches at a time.  The entire house has steps which they called
    "easy risers" (Not my words 8*)), 4" high and 18" long, which allowed
    her to get to the different levels of the house.  
    	I can't vouch for it being haunted, but the story has it that Sarah
    spoke with spirits continually and they told her she would live as long
    as she kept building on the house.  There are stairs which go to
    nowhere, and rooms which have no practical use at all.  The room that I
    found most facinating was the music room.  We were told that the entire
    room was put together with wooden pegs, and there are absolutely no
    nails in there at all!  The acoustics in there were unbelievable!!!
    	It was said that the entire house was furnished with Tiffany glass,
    but most of it was destroyed during an earthquake.  They had some of
    the orig. furniture and fixtures displayed behind a glass wall and I
    couldn't believe the detail in the workmanship.
    	All in all...  Well worth a visit if you are ever in the area!  I'd
    say that some contractor sold her a bill of goods!!!
    
    	Another place to visit if you get out there is "Mystery Spot"...
    
    
    Tom
1851.2Mystery Spot?STRATA::THOMASWed Jun 09 1993 03:321
         What is the " Mystery Spot " does it go by another name?
1851.3Still a mystery to me...AIMHI::BROWNWed Jun 09 1993 18:0930
    	The "Mystery Spot" supposedly has a strange magnetic field emitting
    from it, and causes the trees around it to grow like cork screws.  It's 
    really strange because all the other trees around the spot grow
    perfectly straight including the same species.  
    	A couple of other strange things that occur there are not easily
    explained either.  The first is that it takes a lot more force to push
    a vertically suspended weight toward the center of the "Spot" than it
    does to push the same weight away from the center.  The demo set up was
    a weight (forgot how heavy it was) was suspended from a rafter in this
    shack (which was orig. built right over the "Spot", but the force moved
    it down the hill away from the center) and when you tried to push the
    weight toward the center of this force you had to use two hands to push
    it.  When you turned around 180 degrees and pushed the same weight away
    from the force it could be pushed the same distance using only two
    fingers!!
    	There seemed to be an ability to create optical illusions there
    too.  If two people of different height stood on each end of this level
    concrete slab, with the taller of the two on the left, everything would
    appear normal.  As soon as they switched positions on the slab, the
    taller person (now on the right) would appear to be shorter than the 
    shorter person!!!  I've seen it myself, and didn't move my position
    while the two on the concrete slab switched ends!  Really a bizarre
    place and well worth the trip if you are ever in the area.
    	As far as I know the place is called "Mystery Spot" because that is
    what it says on the postcard I bought while there.
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Tom
    
1851.4Almost certainly simply an optical illusion.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Jun 09 1993 19:0823
    I've been there.  Fascinating but not mysterious place.  Nothing there
    which cannot be explained as an optical illusion -- but it sure is an
    effective one.  Basically the overall layout of the area (the
    topography) is such as to mislead the eye about what level is.  They
    have strengthened the illusion by adding a shack which is badly
    skew -- walls, door-frames, etc. do not meet each other or the floor
    at right angles.  Your eye, trained to fairly regular architecture,
    tries to interpret the angles as the result of perspective distortions
    of things which actually meet at right angles.  As a result, you get
    some very weird effects.  I got a weaker dose of some of those -- some
    were barely visible -- because I came just before dark, and the
    interior of the shack was dim enough so that the visual miscues which
    the effect is based on were not fully visible.

    This is a very subtle but convincing set of optical illusions.  Anyone
    who arrives without a knowledge of the obscure perceptual principles on
    which the illusions are based are bound to be "taken in".  Even knowing
    the illusion is still unshakable.

    Highly recommended -- but not to be taken seriously as a real mystery.
    

				    Topher
1851.5What you see isn't always what you get!AIMHI::BROWNWed Jun 09 1993 19:459
    Hi Topher,
    
    I figured the height demo was an illusion, but I couldn't explain why a
    suspended weight wouldn't require the same ammount of force to be pushed
    in the opposite direction.  Any ideas?
    
    Just curious...
    
    Tom
1851.6Knott's has one tooSWAM1::MILLS_MATo Thine own self be TrueWed Jun 09 1993 19:5213
    A similar shack is in Knott's Berry Farm here in Southern California.
    The shack is built slightly sloping (or so I thought, Topher's
    explanation explains it better) so that bottles roll off a seemingly 
    level floor, etc.
    
    The force required to push an object away from the center vs. towards
    the center can probably be explained by the direction of the slope. It 
    takes more force to push something up than down.
    
    They are neat places, though.....
    
    
    Marilyn
1851.7Illusion + Suggestion.CADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperWed Jun 09 1993 21:3546
1851.8Knottier and KnottierSWAM1::MILLS_MATo Thine own self be TrueWed Jun 09 1993 22:1912
    RE Knott's
    
    Sorry, I what I meant to say is that the whole shack is built
    "lopsided". The floor is sloping and the rest of the shack is built 
    perpendicular and parallel to the floor. So as you make your way from
    room to room, it is heavy going, as you are really going up a slight
    incline although your eye thinks you're walking straight.
    
    Does that make sense now?
    
    
    Marilyn   
1851.9Clarks Trading Post, NHSTRATA::THOMASThu Jun 10 1993 03:255
         The same attraction can be seen at the Trading Post in New
    Hampshire, not quit sure of it's excacted location. I agree it is 
    only an illiusion, but great fun.
    
                                                 Thomas
1851.10"Eye see!" said the blind man.AIMHI::BROWNThu Jun 10 1993 12:5911
    Thanks Topher!
    
    Come to think of it...  If my memory serves me correctly, I seem to
    remember that the weight was suspended on a rafter close to one corner
    of the shack, and the exterior wall or corner of the shack restricted
    how far the weight was able to travel in the "easy" direction!
    
    Never thought too much about that before...
    
    
    Tom
1851.11HOO78C::ANDERSONA high speed, heat seeking cat!Mon Jun 21 1993 11:5716
    For some reason or other I'm a good sailor, put me on a ship that is
    heaving and dropping in a gale and you'll find me in the restaurant
    happily eating while I watch people turning green, then find out that
    there are two sides to a ship, and only one is suitable for throwing up
    over. 

    However put me in one of those fun houses as described here and I feel
    queasy instantly. My eyes send one set of signals to my brain whilst my
    sense of balance sends a different set and confusion sets in.

    The net result is usually me finding the emergency exit and use it. A
    couple of times when I have survived long enough to look at the
    "mysteries" usually billiard balls rolling up hill or water flowing
    uphill they always appear to be rolling downhill to me. 

    Jamie.
1851.12We have Mystery RidgeGLDOA::TREBILCOTTI can't believe it's only WednesdayMon Jun 28 1993 22:259
    There is a place similar to the one mentioned here called Mystery Ridge
    near Oscoda, Michigan.  It's up north in the woods and they have the
    height illusion as well as a ball that rolls up hill, they have a chair
    that stays against the wall, off the floor, which people could sit in
    (I did), and more...
    
    They are fun, even if they are illusion and science, not phenomena...
    
    
1851.13Novel based on thisBOBSBX::LEMENTue Jun 29 1993 13:065
    There's a really fun old potboiler written by Kathleen Norris 
    that is set in the Mystery House, called, you guessed it ---
    "Mystery House"! 
    
    june
1851.14Coincidences?MISERY::CROW_DOWed Jun 30 1993 23:448
    I moved to California 6 years ago - and my first residence was
    right down the road from the Winchester Mystery House.  Less than
    a mile away.
    
    Last year my husband and I purchased a home in Santa Cruz - 3 miles
    down the road from the Mystery Spot.
    
    Hmmmmmm....
1851.15LITTLE CALIFORNIAUSWRSL::BOUCHER_ROThu Jul 01 1993 15:508
    
    
     YA HEY,here is looking at you from SANTA CRUZ.HAY 14 where are you.
    I,m from SANTA CRUZ.BUT most of my family is in NEWBEDFORD MA.I living 
    in SAN JOSE right now.But me and my New wife are moving back to SANTA
    CRUZ as soon as we can.
    
           For now later. SMURF