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2721.1 | time to cash that DEC stock | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Tue May 04 1993 12:08 | 10 |
| The Boston area has never had a significant guitar show (that I know
of). Kinda strange, since these have been going pretty hot for
several years now in many other parts of the country. The closest
we've come is the N.Y. show, a funky little number held in lower
Manhattan every September. That's all going to change now though.
We've got our first major guitar show scheduled for June 12-13 at
the Park Plaza. I plan on being there so I'll let you know how it
turns out (and how much $$$ I spend :-).
/rick
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2721.2 | Upcoming show dates wanted | SUBSYS::GODIN | | Tue May 04 1993 12:10 | 2 |
| I'd like to check out one of these shows. Please post dates.
Paul
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2721.3 | Info taken from a Daddy's flyer | SANDY::FRASER | Uppity blues woman... | Wed May 05 1993 10:35 | 22 |
|
Boston Guitar Show - June 12 & 13, 11-7 Saturday; 12-6 Sunday
100's (sic) of Guitars for sale. On Display: The Brian Fischer
Collection. Vintage - Collectible - Used. Plus . . . New Guitars,
Basses, Amps, and Related Paraphernalia & Memorabilia.
Appearances by: Reeves Gabrels, Eddie Martinez, Jr., J. Geils, Elliot
Easton and Others (Schedules permitting).
To be held at: The 57 Park Plaza Hotel
200 Stuart St.
Downtown Boston
Admission $6 - $1 off admission for bringing a stringed instrument.
Children under 12 free.
For more information contact:
John (11am - 6pm) 617-262-2999 or Russ (4pm - 9pm) 401-766-8657
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2721.4 | gotta check it out this Saturday | QRYCHE::STARR | I want to see you dance again.... | Wed Jun 09 1993 20:38 | 5 |
| Does anyone know if these shows have a lot of amps as well as guitars?
alan
(who's in the market for a good combo, and maybe even an acoustic at the
right price.....)
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2721.5 | | BSS::D_PELTONEN | | Thu Jun 10 1993 13:14 | 9 |
|
If any noters that read the appropriate material happen to
notice a guitar show that would be within any reasonable
distance of Colorado Springs, I'd appreciate your posting
it here. I know they have lots of 'em in Texas, but that
might be a bit far :-)
DAP
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2721.6 | | SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLIN | The fun begins at 80! | Fri Jun 11 1993 12:18 | 10 |
|
YIKES!!! That was a close one. I forgot all about the
Guitar Show. Can't wait. I just hope they don't get too
mad when I drool.
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2721.7 | drool cups ready | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:51 | 2 |
| Anyone got good directions to the 57 Park Plaze hotel?
Or ideas where to park?
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2721.8 | any other noters going? | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Fri Jun 11 1993 14:58 | 5 |
| btw, I plan on being there tomorrow when the doors open. I'll be the
guy with the goatee and carrying around a Gibson EB4-L for sale. If
you spot me, come over and say hi.
/rick
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2721.9 | I'll be poking around Sunday | POWDML::DAGG | | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:10 | 10 |
|
I plan to go, but probably not until Sunday. I'll be
looking (probably in vain) for a cheap and playable
Kessel/ES175/ES165 or the like.
' just noticed that the Sox are in town on both days
for double headers. That can cause some traffic problems
pre and post games. Anyone know the T stop for this place?
Dave
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2721.10 | | TECRUS::ROST | I need air freshener under the drums | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:15 | 3 |
| Hey, Rick, is the goatee pre-CBS?
Brian
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2721.11 | |*} | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Jammin' DRTRDR | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:18 | 5 |
| >>Hey, Rick, is the goatee pre-CBS?
is it blackfaced, tweed, tan????
dawg 8^)
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2721.12 | | MANTHN::EDD | KamakiriEdd | Fri Jun 11 1993 16:17 | 5 |
| > ...goatee and EB4-L for sale...
HERETIC!!!
Edd
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2721.13 | | QRYCHE::STARR | I want to see you dance again.... | Fri Jun 11 1993 16:39 | 6 |
| I should be there early on Saturday also. I'll be wearing jeans and probably
a Kitty Hawk t-shirt (there shouldn't be many of those there! 8^). Oh, and
I'll be carrying one of those tweed Fender Strat case (no, I'm not selling my
Strat - I want to try out some amps with my guitar).
alan
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2721.14 | "hey dude, what's in the case?" | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Fri Jun 11 1993 18:09 | 9 |
| re Edd
just the EB4's for sale, not the goatee :-)
re black, tan, or tweed
all three!!!
re tweed case
man, that's like cutting your finger in the shark tank.
I'll bet you get approached a lot!
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2721.15 | Report on the Boston Guitar Show | SUBSYS::GODIN | | Mon Jun 14 1993 10:33 | 35 |
| I went to the Boston guitar show Saturday (& I didn't see anyone with a
goatee, jeans, OR a T-shirt) & it was OK if you like looking at neat things
that you can't afford. It seemd as if *everyone* had pre CBS & tweed
Fender amps & vintage Strat's & Les Paul's. They also were mostly too
expensive for my liking. There were a couple of good deals on ES-335's
& ES-135's (I almost took one of these home.) & a surprising lack of
new fangled amps & effects. Even though these were not the focus of the
show, I expected tons of gadgets. I guess guitar shows haven't quite
caught up to computer shows in this respect.
There were some vintage instruments there that I'd only read about, so
it was noce to get to see these things in real life. The collection of
Gibson Firebirds was pretty impressive, & the legendary Fender
Broadcaster was quite a specimen (only $15,000 !). There were so many
"limited edition" & "custom made" Les Paul's that one could easily come
away with the impression that they are common.
One of the more interesting *new* things was this piezo contact
pickup/adjustable tail piece made by Christian Industries (I think I
have their flyer.) that produces a separate output signal from an
electric guitar that sounds like an acoustic. I have a feeling there's
going to be a slew of these around in a year or two. It fits any type
of guitar (just about) & sounds like a completely different instrument,
so I'd guess they'll be used a lot in live performances.
The other real innovation was a couple of handmade basses & guitars from an
outfit called BSI. I didn't get to play the giutar, but the basses were
extremely precise, well balanced, light weight & sounded great. I tried
both the 4 & 5-stringed models, & found they were so easy to play that
I didn't want to put them down. Each one was equiped with a
conventional pickup as well as a piezo contact pickup & they were
contoured in such a way as to be really comfortable to wear & play. The
price was reasonable too, because the guy's philosophy was that $1000
is the most *any* bass should cost. These ran in the $600-$950 range.
I'd like to hear form anyone else who actually made the trek to the
'57, which is near the Arlington green line station, but you know that
by now.
Paul
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2721.16 | | SOLVIT::SNORAT::OLOUGHLIN | The fun begins at 80! | Mon Jun 14 1993 11:23 | 16 |
|
Thanks for the report Paul.
Saturday morning I was faced with a blown water pump
on Deb's Jeep Wrangler and a Flex Plate that was about
to self destruct on my Blazer. Luckily, the flex plate
was loose on the torque converter side - 15 minutes later,
I saved my self four hundred, to five hundred bucks.
Made for a good Saturday - kinda.
Rick.
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2721.17 | | AKOCOA::MAY_B | IT'S LIKE THE SAME, ONLY DIFFERENT! | Mon Jun 14 1993 12:18 | 10 |
| I went too,,,, I droooooled over the 1957 strat that the guy turned
down a 25,000 offer for. I walked in with no guitar and walked out
with a very fine 1964 Martin 018C in prefect condition and a smile on
my face. I got the greatest wife in the world!!!,,, I already have
two Martins, a Fender Strat Plus, mandolins, Ukes, etc and she lets
me buy this one too. She must believe me when I say you can never
have enough quitars!!
Bruce
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2721.18 | where do I begin... | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Mon Jun 14 1993 12:22 | 9 |
| I also made it down to the show on Saturday. I'll post a more
detailed report later but in short I had a great time. Yeah, there
was a lot of overpriced stuff, and I heard several other gripes about
the show that were legitimate. But overall I saw more nice, cool,
vintage (and otherwise) stuff in one afternoon than I see in a year
of combing the shops around Boston. For 6 bucks, it was about as
much fun as you could have with your clothes on.
/rick
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2721.19 | | QRYCHE::STARR | I want to see you dance again.... | Mon Jun 14 1993 14:13 | 5 |
| I tried to make it there, but traffic in town was *murder*! They had Arlington
Street closed for some parade, and I was stuck in traffic for over an hour;
I ran out of time and had to leave..... 8^(
alan
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2721.20 | has anyone actually *seen* Alan Starr? | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Jammin' DRTRDR | Mon Jun 14 1993 14:39 | 8 |
| re: -1
Alan,
why don't you just admit that you were booked with some other activity
that day, and couldn't make it!?
8^)
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2721.21 | guitar show, long reply | RICKS::CALCAGNI | submit to Fred | Mon Jun 14 1993 14:57 | 100 |
| The show was very well run and organized. I took the Mass Pike in, Copley exit
put me right on Stuart St., a couple of blocks and I pulled into the Park Plaza
parking garage. A few steps from my car to the elevator, I was there. What
could be easier? The show was held in a pair of function suites on the 6th
floor. It was a lot classier than I was expecting; the thick carpeting and
heavy drapes made the atmosphere slightly soft and muffled. When I arrived
(around 11:30) it was pretty low key and quiet, but later when the amps and
talk really started cranking it still never got to be too much.
I counted roughly 30 dealer booths at an average of maybe 30 guitars per
dealer; that's close to 1000 guitars, most of them vintage or nearly so.
A few booths had some vintage amps, and several were also selling effects boxes.
Most of the guitar action centered around 60's and 70's solidbodies. I saw
three booths doing archtops, but not that many to choose from. One complaint
I heard was "nice guitars, but everybody's got the same ones" which was more
or less true. I would have liked to see more off-the-wall and lesser name
high quality brands (e.g., Guilds) better represented.
I was very impressed with the quality of the merchandise. Most of the guitars
were very clean and nice; the weakest ones condition-wise were more like the
best ones I usually see in the shops around here. I've been shopping around
for the right 60's ES-335 and I played at least a half dozen at the show that
were incredibly gorgeous and well kept. But none of them were really great
players and this supports a general trend I've noticed that the cleaner the
piece the less likely it is to play good. This actually makes a lot of sense;
the good ones are more likely to get played and the mediocre ones more likely
to sit in the case for 30 years.
Prices on some things were high, but in general there was at least some good
stuff to be found in anyone's range. As is always the case, some items are
just hot at the moment and prices seemed to reflect that. Vintage amps have
gone through the roof; I saw a plain vanilla blackface Twin for $1500, a white
one for $2800, and a clean but worn tweed Bassman for $3300! (Those Kendricks
and THDs don't look so bad anymore). All the dealers seemed ready to talk
down though; I saw several buyers knock 20% off without really trying hard.
There were plenty of 70's LPs that were extremely clean and nice in the $600
and $700 range; I think these could've been easily had for $150 or so less and
would've been good buys.
I didn't spend any money, although I was prepared to if the right thing came
along. Besides 335's I was looking for a nice pre-CBS P-bass, but there
were none to be found. This was somewhat compensated for by the 4 Thunderbird
basses I saw. It's probably a good thing that these were out of my price
range :-). On my first pass through the booths I saw two good deals that
caught my eye; a '67 Gretsch Tennesean and a '65 SG Standard. Both seemed
priced slightly less than I've seen elsewhere and I made a mental note to
come back and look closer. Of course, both were sold by the time I got back.
There were plenty of people carrying cases around, but I didn't see too much
on-the-floor dealing happening. I myself was too busy checking out the booths
and that was probably the case for others as well; I talked to a friend
who went both days (actually, he had a booth) and he said there was a lot
more floor action happening on Sunday. Probably a good thing to remember for
next time; the dealers must get picked over pretty good the first day and the
floor deals happen the second. No, I didn't sell the EB-4; still for sale if
anyone's interested.
All in all, I had a great time. It was kind of overload after awhile. We left
after about 4 hours and in that time had done the circuit about 4 or 5 times.
This was still a fairly small and modest vintage show, nothing like the big
extravaganzas you hear about down in Dallas. None of the really big vintage
dealers were there; the furthest were from Maryland and Montreal, the rest
New England and upstate NY. Reeves Gabrels was the only famous person I saw
and Neal Orsi the only DECcie. Next time, I won't bring anything to sell and
maybe plan to go for both days; I would have liked to hang out a little more
and pay more attention to the floor action and less to the dealers. I am
already looking forward to next year though!
Here's a few more quick highlights:
Most expensive piece I saw - a 60' Les Paul Standard burst with really
mediocre flame; your average PRS top would blow it away. $27,000!
I think the nicely flamed ones are trading for more like $50,000 these
days, so I guess that price is consistent.
Coolest guitar I should've bought - a Danelectro 12-string Bellzouki.
They wanted $500, my friend offered $250. They probably would've taken
$350 for it.
Most ludicrous - a 70's Sunburst Strat, in mint mint mint condition with
all the tags etc. for somewhere in the $2000 range!!! The sign said it
was a "vintage" Strat; yeah right.
Most jaw-dropping display - Brian Fischer from Earcraft in Dover NH. He
had a full wall display of the cream of collectible 50's and 60's stuff;
flying V, Mary Kay Strat, weird custom color Firebirds, etc. all arrranged
around cool little displays of other retro artifacts. This stuff was from
his private collection and just for display, but he also had a large dealer
booth and lots of nice stuff for sale, including several 'birds. There
was a book of photos showing Brian's awesome collection of vintage Firebirds
and Thunderbirds; I didn't count em but heard someone else say it totalled
around 90. Yowza!
Weirdest - A '69 Tele bass (attention Tom Gallo) covering in cowhide,
hairy side up! It was too weird. The body had been hacked under the
cowhide (someone once tried to make a lefty out of it) and the neck,
although nice, was probably non-original. Still, it was a great player,
the price was $250 and the guy practically begged me to make an offer on it.
I passed.
/rick
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2721.22 | Saturday afternoon visit | POWDML::DAGG | | Mon Jun 14 1993 15:19 | 40 |
|
I also had a nice time at the show. I kind of was hoping
for more makers and private sellers, though, and I felt
like the dealers were over represented. Also, I would have
liked some playing booths to try the instruments in quiet at
least for a couple minutes.
I was primarily looking for a cheap ES175. I stopped by Mr.
Music on the way in, and they had a few that I tryed. All were
tobacco sunburst, and all were fine. Notably, at their display
at the show they had a blond 175 and a 775. This suggested to
me that dealers will take their flashiest guitars to a show, and
not necessarily the best values. Anyways, I didn't like the feel
of the 775, and the blond 175 was approx. equal to the ones they
left in the store.
Someone else had an older 175 with one pickup and a volute. $1800.
I found only one ES165 at a dealer's display. I liked it a alot,
except for the cherry red color, and I made the guy an offer at
%85 of what he was asking, but he wouldn't budge, and I don't like
red that much, so I walked.
QUESTION: Do the GREAT majority of ES175, ES165s have
cracked neck binding at the frets? Seems like most of the
ones I've looked at do. The guy at Mandolin Bros
says its a care problem, and that if they are properly stored
in a reas. humid place, (he even suggested dampits might help),
the fingerboard won't shrink, which is what causes this. Is that
the real story?
I've seen this on really recent guitars, and
I'm suprised Gibson hasn't figured out a way to fix this. Do
people just write this off as cosmetic and not worry about, or
what? Can a good repairman fix this so it won't happen again?
Thanks,
Dave
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2721.23 | Heretic reply | HEDRON::DAVEB | just 'cuz you own the land, there's no unique hand floods the da | Mon Jun 14 1993 15:49 | 14 |
| re: Brian Fischer
Yeah he's built quite a collection out of the misfortune of the local
musicians in the Dover area. He never gives anywhere near a fair price,
that's how he got them all...
re: 70's "vintage" strat
Well it's 1993 and 70's strat are beginning to climb in value, back in
the 70's when these were new the vintage instruments were only 20
years old or less...say what you will some 70's fenders were pretty
good, some weren't, no doubt just like the 50's and 60's fenders.
dbii
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2721.24 | More on the show | SUBSYS::GODIN | | Mon Jun 14 1993 15:52 | 52 |
| Yeah, the Fisher collection was incredible. I'm kind of partial to the
"cherry" Les Paul in its own separate case. The most expensive item
there (maybe) was the George Gobel Gibson L5 (?) which wasn't actually
there when I saw the picture & blurb about it, but if it was there, it
was probably the most expensive.
I really liked the venue & the low key atmosphere too. (Ever been to a
"'BCN" stereo closeout at the Bayside Expo ? All the aggravation af a
rock concert with none of the advantages.)
I think there was one dealer there from Ohio also.
My vote for the most overpriced item (as a *percentage* of real value)
had to be the Electro Harminix LPB-1 for $40. This thing is a jack, a
plug, a pot, a battery, 4 resistors & a 2N3904 (12 for a dollar
transistor) in a box that could be improved by using a recycled beer
can. There were few bargains on tubes as well (7199's for $28 each !).
I was *not* expecting it to be a good place to sell stuff (despite the
"generous" incentive of $1 off when you bring a stringed instrument),
but it was good to get info on whose buying & selling what out there.
I don't think I've ever seen that many (6 or 7) white tolex Fender
Reverb units in one place at once either. I think if I owned them all
I'd have to try stringing them all up together to get a sound from
outer space & record some tracks that way.
The guitar player for The Alarm (Dave Sharp) had 2 of those old
Bassman's (like the $3300 one) when I saw them at the Paradise. They
*do* sound nice, but I don't think $3300 worth of nice.
One guy was trying to sell a Chapman "Stick" (12 strings, mixed bass &
normal, bizarre configuration) which was cool, but a little too wierd
even for me. I only saw 2 Mesa Boogies in the whole place, one brand
new at Daddy's, & neither anything special. There were also a few
scattered overpriced Vox amps (yawn) but it the pickins were slim in
the amp dept.
The 1993 model Les Paul with 3 pickups all different (small "deluxe"
humbucker, single coil, new "slanted" wide humbucker neck, mid,
bridge), & thinner/lighter body in translucent amber was comfortable to
play, but it just looked like a Les Paul & sounded & weighed like a Strat.
What's the point ?
Those guys playing the jazz chords (etc.) in the "collection" room were
great to listen to, but I don't think I recognized anyone famous there.
The biggest problem I had was the whole experience awakened a desire to
run out & buy some vintage stuff, which I promised myself I'd never do.
Paul
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2721.25 | Buy Back What You Threw Away At Twice The Price | TECRUS::ROST | I need air freshener under the drums | Mon Jun 14 1993 16:11 | 25 |
| Re: .23, 70s Strat
OK, so some people liked 'em enough that Fender even reissued the
buggers, but $2000? You could have a brand new Custom Shop Strat for
that kind of money. The 70s was the time when everybody was fed up
with Fender's poor QC and this whole vintage mania started in the first
place! OK, run down to the store, buy a couple of American Standards
and put 'em away, tags and all, so you can put your kids through
college 8^)
Re: .24, LPB-1, tubes
The LPB-1 when discontinued sold for about $25 (that's what I paid for
mine in 82), well up from the $8.95 or so it sold for when it was
introduced. Yeah, it's junk but so is a Fuzz Face, now selling for a
mere $300 or so. I'm taking bids on my E-H Hog's Foot starting at $100
8^) 8^)
The 7199 is an oddball tube, not used in too many amps (there's one in
my Ampeg G20). I priced one from a hi-fi dealer for $40, so $28 aint
too out of whack. Too bad the amp only cost me $20 8;(
Welcome to the world of rare tubes 8^)
George Grunt
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2721.26 | | HEDRON::DAVEB | just 'cuz you own the land, there's no unique hand floods the da | Mon Jun 14 1993 16:19 | 18 |
| Someplace around my houze I've got the treble booster a'la' LPB-1.
I'd take $35 for it! :-)
re: 70's strats/custom shop strats
I've played two custom shop strats and the quality was piss poor to
unbelievable. Better yet Fender wouldn't repair the obvious defects or
refund/replace the guitars. Things like pickups that didn't work (on
both) and frets that fell out (on one). Me I won't touch a fender
anymore anyway but hey the custom strats are no big deal, just big
price tag IMHO. As far as $2k for a 70's strat, yeah I think that's a
bit high but given that the 50's and 60's units are selling fore more
than I make in a year, I guess the folk with the gotta have's need a
newer vintage to blow their thousands on, anybody interested in
mine?
dbii who has one of those 70's strats...
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2721.27 | This little piggy went to market | SUBSYS::GODIN | | Mon Jun 14 1993 18:21 | 33 |
| OK, I *may* have been a little harsh on the 7199's because my 7199 amp
came out of somebody's trash. He almost had to pay me to take it. It
has a blown power XFMR, so I ain't about to sink real money into it. It
sounds as if now would be a good time to go into the tube manufacturing
business though.
The LPB-2 was *much* better. It had *two* transistors ! I recall buying
2 of these things for less than the price of the batteries back in the
late '70's though.
I happen to own one of the true "vintage" effects , the Ibanez TS-9
tube screamer, which supposedly change hands for $175. these days
(Guitar Player, June '93). It sounds decent, but I'd sell it for a mere
$150 in US dimes. After reading the article I decided to try to sell it
because I use it so infrequently.
Did you ever watch a show on PBS-TV (CH 44 ?) called the Collectors ?
After a typical half hour of that, you get to thinking that
*everything's* "collectable". "Vintage" EH pedals are about as exciting
to me as authentic buggy whips.
The Fuzz Face had 2 or 3 miserably obscure PNP germanium (pink geranium ?)
transistors in it, & nothing else sounds quite the same. I'm not so
sure I care, though, because they're noisey as all getout, & they eat
batteries like there's no tomorrow.
I'd like to find a Fender Marauder (cheap) or a Vox "Beatle" TUBE amp (I
think they called it a Twin Reverb or Super Reverb ... the audacity !)
head. No one at the show had either of these animals.
Paul
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2721.28 | | E::EVANS | | Mon Jun 14 1993 19:08 | 9 |
| re: .21 "Most expensive piece I saw - a 60' Les Paul Standard burst with
really mediocre flame ... $27,000! "
I have sometimes seen these referred to as an "unburst" due to the faded color.
27 grand for a poor example in good condition says alot about the vintage
market.
Jim
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2721.29 | re: .22 | RANGER::WEBER | | Mon Jun 14 1993 19:46 | 8 |
| Binding cracks at the fret ends are common and not generally considered a
significant defect. Binding and fretboards don't expand or contract at
the same rate, so it's kind of unavoidable. I've seen this "problem" on
a number of brands besides Gibson.
Best fix is to learn to ignore it.
Danny W.
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2721.30 | Uh, can I take a closer look at that? | LEDS::ORSI | BeenFlushedFromTheBathroomOfYourHeart | Tue Jun 15 1993 10:26 | 26 |
|
>re: .21 "Most expensive piece I saw - a 60' Les Paul Standard burst with
> really mediocre flame ... $27,000! "
>
>I have sometimes seen these referred to as an "unburst" due to the faded color.
>27 grand for a poor example in good condition says alot about the vintage
>market.
There were two, what I call "counterfeit" sunburst Les Pauls at the
show. The one claimed to be a '60 had a standard neck (not skinny)
the wrong tailpiece, and it looked refinished. The one claimed to be
a '58 (few SBs were made) most definitely had P90s, but now has badly
installed humbucking pickups. The sign said it had been refinished,
but the worst thing about the guitar was that the original Bigsby was
removed, the holes filled, and a stop tail-piece installed with a
back-hoe. What a hack job. Yours for only $23,000. Both these guitars
have weak flame tops and IMO were originally Gold Tops w/P90s. I imagine
there are quite a few of these around these days.
On the other hand, the Les Paul in Brian Fischers' collection is a
perfect example of a pristine '59 with a rare reddish tobacco sunburst
finish. Much like Duane Allmans' guitar. 'Course, no one could get
within 10' of it, cuz it was roped off. The other nice piece was the
all Cherry finish '59 in the glass case.
Neal
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2721.31 | Guitar show reflections | VOYAGR::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Jun 15 1993 17:47 | 64 |
| I Went to "The Boston Guitar Show" on Saturday. This was
more like a big sale than a show. There was about 20-30 dealers
there including Daddy's Junky Music, Mr. Music, East-cost Music
Mall, and many other dealers from New England.
I saw lot's of interesting stuff ranging from run-of the
mill to the high-end (Strombergs, DiAquisto, etc). There was
certainly plenty of stuff there to tempt GTS attacks in all of
us. I went to the show with a friend and he immediately fell in
love with a 1933 Gibson LC "Century Model" flat-top. This guitar
has MOP (mother or toilet seat!) covering the entire fingerboard
and headstock. I thought it might be a little risky to drop $1000+
on a sixty year old instrument with a repaired top and non-original
(Grover) tuners, but he just had to have it. The guitar plays
excellant. The neck has a heavy v-shape to it. That old wood has
great tone and really projects well. This guitar needs some cleaning
up to be really nice. I convinced him that he needs to get the Grover
tuners off of it right away. I suggested a set of Waverly vintage-style
tuners, or Klusons. Stewart Mac sells Waverly's and they look really
great on older Gibson and Martin guitars. Pretty expensive, though
($110 for nickle-plated) Any comments ?
I was on the lookout for a Lap Steel. I just missed buying
a beautiful National Lap Steel with art-deco styling and legs that
attach to the bottom. I checked out a really nice Gibson EH-150 lap
steel with Charlie Christian pickup. I probably should have bought it,
but the $350 price tag sort of put me off. I talked to the guy that
bought the National. He publishes "Vintage Guitar" magazine and collects
Lap Steels. He claims Gibson EH-150's regularly sell for $500+. I ended
up buying a National Lap Steel that needs work for $50.00. I'm planning
a major overhaul on it this summer. Stay tuned for more on the National
later.
Some of the other things I saw at the show that really caught my
eye.....
Rickenbacker lap steel with "Bake-lite" body and ohsc. $1800.
Probably worth the money. Awesome !!
Rickenbacker double-neck non-pedal steel. One 10-string neck,
one 8-string neck. Curly maple, on legs of course. Looked
Bulky, but interesting ! $695.
National tri-plate tenor guitar. Small body, 4-string. Mint. $1250.
Highly engraved silver-plated body. I don't know anyone that plays
tenor guitar, but it was an interesting piece just the same.
Several nice Fender custom-shop specials.
One guy specializes in metal-flake finishes. He had several
Fender bodies in various metal-flake colors including a double-
neck. These must look really great under stage lights.
There was a rep from Gibson hanging around near the Mr. Music
display. He had several "Historic Collection" pieces with him
including an L5, 59 Les Paul reissue, Nick Lucas flat-top reissue,
and J45 reissue. I'll take one of each please ;^)
Overall, this doesn't really qualify as a show like the South-west
Texas show, but it was fun just the same. Hopefully, the show was
enough of a success to do it again.
Mark
|
2721.32 | East coast guitar show... | KALVIN::BUSENBARK | | Tue May 10 1994 12:02 | 9 |
| I recently got a post card from the Luthiers Mercantile announcing
that they would be at "The Classic American Guitar Show" at 5 Towns
College in Dix Hills,NY(Long Island) on Saturday and Sunday May 14th
and 15th. For further info call Twentieth Century Guitar Magazine at
(516) 273-1674. The card claims to have some of the World's best
Archtop Guitars on display and for sale.
Rick
|
2721.33 | Vintage Guitar Show in Boston | NOTAPC::HARPER | | Mon Jun 06 1994 11:45 | 6 |
| Is anybody planning to attend the Vintage Guitar Show at the Boston
Park Plaza next weekend the 11th and 12th? I think this is the second
annual vintage guitar show. I'm going over with a friend Sat morning
to check it out. I'm not a collector, just going for the big "C".
Mark
|
2721.34 | and I've still got the goatee but not the EB4 | RICKS::CALCAGNI | really useful engine | Mon Jun 06 1994 13:57 | 3 |
| I'm planning on going
/rick
|
2721.35 | I'll be there! | ABACUS::PAGE | | Mon Jun 06 1994 17:56 | 8 |
|
I'll be going to the Boston guitar show, probably Saturday the
11th. I'm on the lookout for a Firebird, and perhaps a Les Paul.
We'll see. I'll probably be luggin' my James Burton Tele to trade.
Brad
|
2721.36 | June 12 is looking good. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Jun 07 1994 00:07 | 6 |
| I'll be there looking for cool off-the-wall stuff. I'm looking
for Teisco Del Rays, Kay's, Silvertones, Harmonies, etc.
I'll most likely be there on Sunday. Hope to see ya there!
Mark
|
2721.37 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Tue Jun 07 1994 10:44 | 5 |
|
Any directions? From the Mass Pike??
Thanks - Tom
|
2721.38 | How to get there | NOTAPC::HARPER | | Tue Jun 07 1994 11:54 | 10 |
| Take exit 22 (Copley Square) off pike. Go three blocks down Stewart
St. and Hotel is on the left at the corner of Arlington St.
From 93 south into Boston bear right onto Storrow Drive and follow
the signs to the back bay. Exit at Copley Sq. and take a left at the
first set of lights and right at the second onto Arlington St. The
Hotel is 4 blocks down the road on the left. One block after Boylston
st.
Hope this helps.
|
2721.39 | subway? | NOVA::ARNOLD | | Tue Jun 07 1994 12:03 | 5 |
|
Does anyone know what's the closest subway stop to the show?
I'm driving down from NH, and I'll just park outside the city.
-Jeff
|
2721.40 | | LEDS::ORSI | Kinfolk said..move away from there | Tue Jun 07 1994 12:44 | 25 |
| > Take exit 22 (Copley Square) off pike. Go three blocks down Stewart
> St. and Hotel is on the left at the corner of Arlington St.
The show is across the street at 200 Stuart St. next to
the parking garage.
____
\ \ | || | <--- 200 Stuart St
---------\ \ | | ----
\ \ | || | <--- Parking garage
Park Plaza \ \ | | ----
Hotel \ \| |
------------- ----------
Arlington St
---------------- -----------
| |
| |<--- Stuart St
Copley Plaza | | ~2 blocks
Hotel | |
---------------- --------
^
|
|
From Mass Pike Copley Sq exit
|
2721.41 | Closest T Stop: Arlington St. | ABACUS::PAGE | | Tue Jun 07 1994 13:00 | 5 |
|
I'd say the Arlington St. stop on the Green Line is the closest
subway stop to the hotel/convention center.
|
2721.42 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Tue Jun 07 1994 13:07 | 6 |
|
re; directions - thanks! Now, let's see... how's this?
"Sweetiekins, remember the flower show we went to a few
months ago?" ...
|
2721.43 | She's that little voice in my head... | ABACUS::PAGE | | Tue Jun 07 1994 13:38 | 11 |
|
Last year, my wife came with me, and she was bored s**tless. (She
thought the Gay Pride parade outside the hotel was *much* more fun.)
So this year, she's staying home & I'm going with a friend. Which
is probably better, 'cuz this year she won't be there to say "No way,
honey".
Brad
|
2721.44 | time?? | LUDWIG::KLO | don't get me wrong | Tue Jun 07 1994 14:33 | 4 |
| What time do the show start? I like to go check it out but have to work
to 12noon on Saturday.
Kham
|
2721.45 | Same time this year | DOCTP::SULLIVAN | Singing for our lives. | Tue Jun 07 1994 16:23 | 6 |
| Gay Pride is the same weekend again this year, Saturday, June 11.
Not sure if the parade route will take us by the guitar show, though.
Justine
|
2721.46 | I'm confused about this show... | LOWELL::MIDDLETON | John | Fri Jun 10 1994 16:14 | 7 |
| I just called the Boston Park Plaza Hotel and no one seems to know
anything about a Vintage Guitar show this weekend. I talked to the
front desk, the sales office, and the convention center, and nothing.
What's up? Wrong hotel? Wrong weekend? Any idea what's going on?
John
|
2721.47 | across the street | NOTAPC::HARPER | | Fri Jun 10 1994 16:36 | 3 |
| see note .40. The show is actually across the street.
Mark
|
2721.48 | Thanks. | LOWELL::MIDDLETON | John | Fri Jun 10 1994 17:12 | 4 |
| Thanks, I didn't know that that wasn't part of the Park Plaza.
John
|
2721.49 | Start/end times? | LOWELL::MIDDLETON | John | Fri Jun 10 1994 17:14 | 5 |
| Also, anyone know when it starts and ends?
John
|
2721.50 | Boston Guitar Show, the sequel | RICKS::CALCAGNI | really useful engine | Mon Jun 13 1994 15:11 | 113 |
| Hey, is anybody still out there? This is long, so be forewarned.
As with movies, where the sequel almost never lives up to the original,
so it goes with the 2nd annual Boston Guitar Show.
No complaints with the venue, the 57 Park Plaza is comfortable and
convenient. This year's show seemed a little bigger than last. I got a
program this time; there are 61 dealers listed, but a good number of
these weren't necessarily dealing guitars. For instance, the Boston
Phoenix and two vintage guitar magazines all had booths, there was someone
doing guitar straps, someone doing cases, etc. I'd guess about 40 actual
guitar dealers, slightly up from last year, but interestingly there seemed
to be less guitars overall (more on that later).
Many of the same dealers were there from last year; in fact, I recognized
many of the same guitars from last year! There were some notable absentees;
East Coast Music Mall, who had a huge display last year, didn't show and
Garrett Park Guitars, a large vintage dealer (from Maryland?) wasn't back
either. I talked to Garrett Park a few months ago; they said they lost
money on the show last year. Mr Music was there and had by far the biggest
selection; some nice stuff. Guitar Center also had a booth, fairly low
key but a few nice, clean pieces including some 50's Strats. They also
had a new Vibro-King that was getting a lot of tryouts. George Gruhn was
there, in the flesh. Here's a description of George's booth - George
sitting by himself, fingerpicking an old Martin, and a few copies of his
book on the table. Talk about traveling light! (I spoke with him briefly;
he was in buy-only mode).
"Interesting" guitars were way down this year. I didn't see a single
burst (for sale) and very few nice old Strats or Teles. Most of the real
eye-catchers were in a couple of "display only" booths. Bummer. I heard
they let VIP buyers in the night before (for a fee, of course) and that
the dealers were pretty well picked over for the good stuff by the time
the general public got in. I can't recall if they did this last year, but
there seemed to be a lot more worth looking at back then. Besides Gruhn,
there was another booth just buying (Alpha Export Office, from California;
they were buying for export to Japan). These guys already had a huge pile
of cases lined up on Saturday morning, perhaps stuff they had picked up
during the VIP round the night before. Anyway, they seemed to be getting
a lot of action, and this also seemed to cut down on floor trading and
selling; another bummer!
As last year, I had a couple of items on my want list but found almost
nothing. I'm still looking for that perfect ES-335 (an early 60's) and
saw only one, a clean '62 in Cherry finish for $4k! (Tom D, are you
listening!?). Almost no cool basses; one off-white '68 Precision for an
outrageous $2300 and not a single Gibson or Epi semi-hollow. Major bummer!
I've pretty much come to the realization that these shows are mostly for
looking; the selection and the environment are just not there. Maybe it's
different at the bigger shows.
For the second year, I wore my "Rick's Music World" T-shirt (a real place,
in Seekonk MA). Both times totally unplanned (it was just my only clean
shirt!) but, especially this year, there was an unexpected benefit. People
constantly treated me as if I were a dealer (no, not that kind :-). Many
of the other dealers asked if "we" were doing a booth ("no, not this year")
and how business was ("we're selling a lot of Strats!"). Even the public
mistook me for a wheel; a couple of times I would be standing a little
too close to a booth and got asked "how much for that one?" ("you'd better
ask Pete over there") or can I take one of these picks ("sure, take as
many as you'd like"). I even got dealer cost on a guitar strap I bought!
So, in general I found this year's show somewhat of a letdown. Still fun,
but not the major event I was hoping for. Anyway, if you're not tired of
this yet, here are a few more highlights that stayed in my mind:
DUMBEST OMISSION FROM LAST YEAR - no snack tables. The concessions were
moved out in the hall, with no place to sit while you were eating. I
talked someone into letting me eat at their booth ("Hey, anything for
our pals at Rick's Music World").
BRUSH WITH CELEBRITY - only one, Peter Wolf. Supposedly J Geils was
scheduled to show; I wonder if they would've duked it out if they'd met.
BIGGEST LAUGH I HAD ALL DAY - a 70's P.O.S. Flying-V in white, with a
sign on it that said "Korina". Geeze, some people...
DECCIE ENCOUNTERS - Neal Orsi and Brad Page. Brad, did you tell your
wife about the '58 Strat yet :-)
BEST FREEBIE - a psychedelic "Cesar Diaz in Guitar-Toonland" poster.
MOST EXPENSIVE - this one's easy. A fellow named Kazimierz Krawczak had
a booth with one guitar that he'd built himself. It was this outrageous
Martin-meets-Salvador-Dali acoustic fingerpicker, huge, with this bizarre
multi-level carved body and high tech floating neck-bridge design thang.
Even the case was a work of art. Kaz spoke broken English with a heavy
Polish accent, bad rumpled brown suit and his breath smelled like he'd
been smoking nuclear-weapon grade cigarettes. He had his entire family in
the booth with him; the whole thing looked like a scene from a bad Reagan
era (80's) Hollywood movie. I kept waiting for the punch line; no joke,
it was for real. He had worked on the guitar for a year. I asked how
much; "$60,000". Again I waited for the punch line; no joke. This was
his 2nd show and he didn't seem to really know how to go about promoting
the thing. I hooked him up with the people at the 20th Century Guitar
mag booth; this is right up their alley.
CHEESE-LOG SPECIAL - last year it was the fur-covered Tele bass. This
year it was a Telestar 6-string/bass double-neck in disgusting vintage
green-burst. It was marked at $250, and everytime I walked by it called
to me like a Siren: "make an offer... make an offer...". If they actually
had a case for the thing, I might have succumbed.
MOST MEMORABLE PERSONALITY - John Pearse had a booth and I stopped by for
a chat. Studio musician, Hawaiian Guitar expert, author, gourmet cook,
vintner, and oh yes he makes some pretty nice strings too. John is a
great bear of a man who obviously has a huge appetite for life. We talked
a while, I told him how much I enjoyed some of the fiction pieces he'd
written for Vintage Guitar, and though we never met before I came away
feeling like I'd just talked to an old friend. A warm, talented, and
remarkable man.
/rick
|
2721.51 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Mon Jun 13 1994 15:15 | 13 |
|
Rick - great note! I was struck by the almost total lack of
335's too. Then, I saw the '62 Cherry one. Looked closer for
the telltale mark... it's there!! Huh?
"Where you guys from?" "Springfield area. Nice 335, eh? I don't
think the guy who owns it wants to sell it very badly - he's asking
4 Grand for it. His name's Frank Luccesi".
Yep, it was mine. Kinda like seeing an old SO at a reunion...
Tom
|
2721.52 | | TRLIAN::HICKERNELL | Good rhythms to bad rubbish. | Mon Jun 13 1994 16:07 | 3 |
| Great review, Rick. Thanks.
Dave
|
2721.53 | first annual Ocean State Guitar Show | RICKS::CALCAGNI | more zip stupid juice | Fri Mar 17 1995 11:23 | 21 |
| Kind of short notice, but tomorrow (Sat, 3/18) is the first annual
Ocean State Guitar Show, 9AM - 4PM at the United Commercial Travelers
Hall, 1530 Atwood Ave, Johnston R.I. Admission is $5, or $4 if you
bring a guitar to sell. For directions or other info, call
508-883-8859 or
401-658-4487
(note: I'm not affiliated with this in any way. I pulled this info
from the Mass WantAds)
Johnston R.I. is not that far from the Rt 495 belt; probably a little
over an hour's drive from Marlboro, MA. I heard a dealer who was going
say that he was told there would be 200 dealers, but that could just be
sales b.s. from the promoters. But if true, that would make it more
than double the size of the Boston show.
Anyway, I should be there. Anyone else going down?
/rick
|
2721.54 | Show time. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Fri Mar 17 1995 12:13 | 12 |
| I'm going. A friend of mine will have a table set up and I will be
hangin' out with him. Look for "Blues From The Attic".
My understanding is that the show is much smaller than Boston. Probably
only about 25 dealers. This is a first-ever. The guy that organized
this show has equipment listed in the Wand-Ads every week. His name is
Richard and he lives in Cumberland RI. He is suppossedly planning to
open a music store some time in the near future.
See ya at the show.
Mark
|
2721.55 | R.I. show, trip report | RICKS::CALCAGNI | more zip stupid juice | Mon Mar 20 1995 12:23 | 73 |
| Well, the guitar show on Saturday was a very pleasant surprise.
I had more fun in the first 15 minutes of this show than I had at the
two Boston shows combined. Why? First, unlike Boston, nearly every
dealer had something I was actually tempted by. And there were a
couple of items I was giving very serious consideration to. Also,
although there were some fairly expensive pieces, the rule seemed to
be what I would call "affordable vintage". For me, the line is
somewhere around $1000; anything after that, and I start consulting
a divorce lawyer :-) But there were many, many nice, desirable, usable
axes at and well below that price. The word I got from a couple of
dealers was that they were bringing their more functional, low end
instruments to this show; that's totally opposite the vibe I got at
Boston, where the tendency seemed to be more toward fancier and more
expensive pieces. And even on the nice stuff, prices were usually well
within reason. Perhaps a sign of the economy? Also, there were no VIP
buyer sessions before the general public got in so things weren't
picked over before we got to see em.
All in all, it was a great time. The show was small, about 20 dealers
or so, but it seemed like just the right size. Everyone seemed in a
good mood, laughing and joking; much more relaxed and friendly vibes
than I saw at Boston. I got there around 10, stayed till closing (4)!
And the time flew. I brought a guitar, sold it at the show, and
successfully fought off the temptation to turn around and spend it;
I went home ahead of the game. This is what I always thought guitar
shows should be about; fun!
A few highlights:
BASS DESIRES - another notable difference over Boston, there were
actually several cool basses. The loveliest of the bunch was a
'55 Precision, all there except for a Mary Kay Blonde refin.
This was one of those axes that clearly illustrates why people are
nuts about pre-CBS Fenders; they're not all good, but when they are
there's nothing on earth like em. This one played like an old
friend; exquisite.
DEC ENCOUNTERS - Tom Desrochers, who scored a great deal on a jaw-
dropper of an Ibanez Artist; probably one of the best values at the
show. Also Mark Jacques, but I'll let him tell you about his
adventures.
JIMMY CARTER LUST-IN-YOUR-HEART SPECIAL - I saw my first 'nice' L5-S;
a '74 in cherry sunburst. Absolutely gorgeous. I'm not a big cherry
sunburst fan, but it looked perfect on this guitar. The subtle flame
to the wood, the beautiful L5 trapeze tailpiece, the multiple binding,
the irridescent abalone position markers... is it getting warm in
here??? A stunning piece.
EPICUREAN DELIGHT - R.I. Italian bakery strip pizza. Like no other
food on earth, falls into the "so bad it's good" category. I grew
up on this stuff, so it was a real nostalgia trip. No guitar show
should be without it!
THE OFFER I ALMOST COULDN'T REFUSE - a beautiful Alembic Stanley
Clark Signature bass. More different kinds of wood than you could
count, gold and brass everywhere, near mint condition. It played
unbelievable. The neck was perfect for me, the electronics sounded
great, I was flying on this bass (actually started drawing a crowd
at one point). He was asking $900. With enough money in my pocket
from a fresh sale, I still don't know how I resisted. But I took
his number :-)
BEST PLAYER - easy one; a refin '68 Firebird V. It was an old refin,
looked like an aged 50's Gibson TV finish. Some guy Larry had owned
it at one point, and had all sorts of people sign it on the back
"To Larry...". There were changed tuners, a different bridge, the
long vibrola was from an earlier Gibson (nickel, shoulda been chrome).
It was a beast, but it played the way a 'bird should. The mini-hummers
were particularly gnarly. My vote for best player at the show (and
at $650, a decent deal too).
/rick
|
2721.56 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Mon Mar 20 1995 12:53 | 16 |
|
Rick - you sold the PRS and didn't pick up the Alembic ??
Sheesh, you were droolin' on that bass at 11:30 a.m. - how
the hell did you resist?? Esp. at that price?!??!
Yes, I'm glad I went. I didn't expect to buy anything but
you guys are so convincing when you get to spend someone
else's money... ;^) I brought it in today to show Bob C.
and he drooled all over it...
Even more than you, I can't believe Mark didn't buy anything.
Or did he later?
Tom
|
2721.57 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Mon Mar 20 1995 12:54 | 7 |
|
Oh yeah, how could you mention the L5-S and not say
anything about Pat...
Just looking at it was great!
|
2721.58 | | AKOCOA::MAY_B | | Mon Mar 20 1995 14:12 | 1 |
| does anyone know when the Boston show will be??
|
2721.59 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | more zip stupid juice | Mon Mar 20 1995 15:03 | 4 |
| The Boston show this year is late June (as opposed to early the
previous two years) and in Andover MA instead of Boston. I'll post
the exact date when I get a chance to look it up.
|
2721.60 | Just the fix I needed! | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Mar 20 1995 17:36 | 87 |
|
Just back from the "Ocean State guitar show". This was a relatively
small event compared to the Boston Show, but a great time just the same.
The location was a club similar to a large Knights of Columbus. Roughly
20 Dealers were present and at least 500 instruments were on display.
I was there with a friend that rented a table. He made out pretty
good for the day selling about 5-6 instruments. Most of the sales
happened during the last hour of the show (3-4 pm).
Rick Calcagni and Tom Desrochers were both there. Tom asked my
opinion on an Ibanez Artist with burled-wood top. What's there to say.
It was a beauty, and he had to buy it !!! Rick Calcagni displayed an
incredible amount of restraint, passing on a beautiful Alembic Stanley
Clarke Bass, a 1949 Gibson L7, a 50's Slab Precision, and many other
tempting morsels while the money from the PRS sale burned a hole in his
pocket. My hat's off to you Rick!!
It was fun hanging around with all of the dealers at the show.
People would bring instruments over to the table and ask us if we were
interested in buying or trading. I checked out an extremly cool Supro
electric 6 string guitar. It had a lap steel bridge/pickup assembly,
identical to the one on my National dynamic. The neck featured the same
"Gumby headstock" that was used on the Dual-tone. I made a low-ball
offer on it, but the guy turned me down and ended up selling it to
someone else. I guess I should have bid a little higher, but it never
hurt's to start low. I also checked out a couple of Silvertone Stratatones.
They were both nice but the asking prices were too high (~$250).
I made several rounds to the various dealer displays and saw lots
of really cool guitars. There was a bumper crop of Les Pauls, 335's,
Fenders, and other popular models. There was also lot's of nice slightly
off-the-wall pieces such as:
Harmony Lap Steel - on legs with a DeArmond pickup.
Fender Mandocaster - Blonde w/anodized pickgaurd in mint condition.
Danelectro- 2 Pickup electric.
Silvertone-Danelectro- single pickup w/amp in case (exactly like mine)
Silvertone (Stratatone variant) mint w/original Sears shipping carton
DeArmond pickup for archtop guitar with volume/tone control. This was
NOS still in the box. I would have grabbed it, but $200.....
Ampeg Dan Armstrong Clear Plexiglass guitar - Just like the one I
bought in 1970.
I got through most of the day without buying anything, but near the
end of the day, with cash in hand from a few sales I made, I went looking
for deals on what was left.
I ended up buying an "Old Kraftsman" guitar made by Kay. It is very
similar to a Gibson ES125T with a small single-cut thin hollowbody. The
neck is very Gibson-like with a nice bound rosewood fingerboard and pearl
dots. The tuners are Kluson plate-mounted with white knobs. The headstock
is definately Gibson-shaped. It has a hinged trapeze tailpeice with
floating rosewood bridge, a single (nickel-covered) pickup mounted near
the neck, and volume and tone knobs. The pickgaurd is typical Kay styling
with a long swept-wing design. The pickguard and knobs are a nice chreme
color which matches the body binding. The body has a tobacco sunburst
finish, and features the smallest, skinniest F-holes I've ever seen.
I removed the pickup and found a number stamp which ends in 64 ?? The
overall condition of this guitar is excellant. The lacquer finish has
a slight hint of weather checking, which I love.
A few replies back I mentioned a bass that is on the front cover of
Guitar Player (the Red Hot Chile Peppers issue). I incorrectly identified
that bass as a Harmony. It turns out to be a Kay very similar to the guitar
I bought this weekend. Both instruments have the same nickel-plated Kay
pickups used on many models at the time. The bass has a single F-hole
which is the same as the f-holes on my guitar.
The nicest thing about this "Old Kraftsman" guitar is the way it plays
and sounds. It has a surpisingly loud sound when played unamplified. The
(plywood) top seems very responsive. Through the amp it sounds really
sweet, like a good old Gibson with P90 soapbar pickup. The fact that the
pickup is close to the neck gives it a really warm jazzy tone. The neck
has the old V-shaped profile that I love. This guitar plays infectiously
well. It's a nice, cheap souvenir from the show. I was on the lookout for
a good, cheap 12-string electric, but nothing caught my eye in that regard.
All in all, it was a great day to drive to RI, and the show was a
smashing success. My guess is it'll become an annual event. Can't wait for
the New England Guitar Show which will be held in Andover Mass in June.
I personally prefer Andover to Boston in that it is much easier and cheaper
to park and easier to find. It's nice to have your car parked right outside
especially if you are bringing anything in to trade.
Mark
|
2721.61 | GTS really got me this time. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Mar 20 1995 17:57 | 6 |
| I forgot to mention one point. The guy that I bought the Kay Guitar
from calls his musical instrument business "Guitar Technical Services"
GTS for short. I tried to explain the irony of his name, but he just
didn't understand what a computer conference is.
Mark
|
2721.62 | More souvenirs from the Show. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Mar 21 1995 01:19 | 37 |
|
I forgot to mention a few other souvenirs from the show. I bought a
couple of old catalogs from a guy for $5/pc. One is a Harmony Catalog
from 1972. This catalog has the "Resonant Sound Of Wood" promotional
logo. 1972 was right near the end of an era. The company was bankrupt
by '74. The other is a Rowe-DeArmond catalog, also from 1972, which
includes all of the pickups they were making at that time, as well
as foot pedals.
The pickup I was looking at Saturday is a DeArmond model 1000
archtop guitar pickup. It attaches between the bridge and tailpiece.
The pickup slides on a rod. You can move it close to the the neck or
bridge depending on how bright you want it. I had one of these years
ago on the second guitar I owned (A harmony archtop). Whodathunk
these things would be worth so much today?!? These are desirable not
only as a collector's item, they sound great!!
I also bought a nice bottleneck slide that appears to have been
made from a whiskey bottle. The glass is about 1/4" thick. It has less
radius than the Matteus wine bottle slides I have. Only cost me $3.50.
For that price, I would have bought more, but it was the only one the
guy had. I was scouting for old slides or steel bars but there were non
to be found.
I've been playing this Kay guitar a lot since Sat and I'm still
amazed at how well it plays. I spied the potentiometers using an
inspection mirror and flashlight. They are date coded from 1964. That
pretty well nails the date. There are 3 photos of similar models in
Willie G Mosely's book "Stella and Stratocasters". All are missing
the pickgaurds. The pickgaurd is clearly the most unique feature on
this guitar. It reminds me of a bat-wing. I think I might take a
picture and send it into Willie Mosely so he can see how these look
with the pickgaurd in place.
Later.
Mark
|
2721.63 | The secret is to leave your wallet at home... | VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTR | Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again! | Mon Apr 03 1995 08:25 | 58 |
2721.64 | | MSBCS::EVANS | | Mon Apr 03 1995 10:43 | 5 |
| If prices in Europe are so ungodly high, why don't people there buy from
places like Gruhn or Mandolin Brothers via mail?
Jim
|
2721.65 | Money matters (you bet it does!) | VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTR | Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again! | Mon Apr 03 1995 12:51 | 23 |
| >If prices in Europe are so ungodly high, why don't people there buy from
>places like Gruhn or Mandolin Brothers via mail?
Fair point, although the currencies of certain European countries
(Italy, Spain, Greece) are so weak at the moment that the advantage of
"buying abroad" is somewhat reduced. Sure, a Fender Strat purchased
direct from the U.S. is going to cost half what you'd pay in Italy, but
if you can't pay in dollars then it's still going to be a hefty sum.
I can only speak knowledgeably about the UK and Italy, and things are
considerably cheaper in the UK, where there's a huge market for
guitars, amps, effects and musical gear in general. So you see musical
instrument retailers everywhere, but there's also a healthy secondhand
market, umpteen bazaars, flea markets, pawnshops, car boot sales, etc.
(I'd be interested to know how many of you Americans buy *all* your
gear brand new from retail shops...even allowing for the relatively low
prices over there.)
As far as Italy is concerned, we're talking about commodities that,
traditionally, have no great market, although things do seem to be
changing. Now, clothes or food might be a different story...
Dom
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2721.66 | Guitar Show Fever! | COMETZ::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed May 17 1995 13:02 | 21 |
|
The Boston Guitar show will be held on Saturday/Sunday June 24-25.
It's actually being billed as "The New England Vintage Guitar Show"
and is being held in Andover Mass, instead of Boston. I'll post
directions as soon as I get a round tuit.
A friend of mine is planning to rent a table. He did the Ocean
State show last month. He is planning a relatively small exhibit
compared with the average dealer there. If I decide to part with
any of my gear (doubtful) I will bring it with me and display it
at his table. Friday, June 22 is when the dealers will be arriving
and setting up their displays. Many instruments change hands during
this time and this is a golden opportunity to get an advanced peek
at the show. I may take that Friday off and take advantage of this
very rare opportunity. I'm hoping to come home with a Harmony
Stratatone to "complete" the collection (that'll be the day).
I guess I better spend some quality time with the family now, as I
will no doubt be unavailable to them that weekend.
Mark
|
2721.67 | short notice | RICKS::CALCAGNI | more zip stupid juice | Wed May 17 1995 14:52 | 15 |
| This weekend is the Third Annual Classic American Guitar Show at Five
Towns College, Long Island NY. This event is sponsored by the folks
at 20th Century Guitar magazine. It's geared to a large degree
towards archtops, and a lot of famous builders and players tend to
show up. Last year, Pat Martino was one of the attendees and also
performed. Wish I was going, but I have some friends who are and
should at least get a detailed report. I hear this is a GREAT
show (at least that's what TCG told me :-)
btw, I understand Scott Chinery, the guy who owns the Batmobile and
perhaps the most insane guitar collection in the world, is now the
owner of 20th Century Guitar. It's nice to have a hobby I guess.
/rick
|
2721.68 | Boston Vintage Guitar Show | NOTAPC::HARPER | | Tue Jun 13 1995 16:02 | 4 |
| Does anyone have any details on location of next weekends Boston
vintage guitar show at Andover?
Mark
|
2721.69 | here's some vaguely usesless info. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Jun 13 1995 16:39 | 11 |
| I don't have exact direction yet, but I can you that it will be
held in Andover Mass at a placed called "the rolling green", which
I believe is at a major hotel (Sheritan, Marriot?).
I believe there is a notice in the latest issue of Twentieth
Century Guitar magazine, Vintage Guitar Mag, and the local
Want Advertiser.
Stay tuned. The show is on Sat June 24, and Sun June 25.
Mark
|
2721.70 | Vintage Guitar Show | NOTAPC::HARPER | | Tue Jun 20 1995 12:52 | 7 |
| Details for the Vintage Guitar Show this weekend the 24th and 25th.
Location is the Rolling Green Ramada Inn in Andover.
from 495 take 93 south to exit 43A which is Rte. 133. Bear right
off of the exit and it's right there by the exit.
Starting time on Sat is 10:00 am
|
2721.71 | maybe Howard Stern will be there :-) | RICKS::CALCAGNI | more zip stupid juice | Tue Jun 20 1995 13:09 | 3 |
| Heard on the radio this morning, Strawberries Records and WBCN are two
of the sponsors.
|
2721.72 | | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Jun 26 1995 15:49 | 44 |
| The New England Vintage Guitar show was held this past weekend, in
Andover, Mass. I spent all of Saturday at the show. A friend of mine
rented a table and I hung out with him for much of the day. I brought
3 instruments with me and had them up for sale, but did not get any
reasonable cash offers. I ended up trading 2 instruments (National
Reso-Phonic, and Maccaferri plastic guitar) for a Gibson LG1 acoustic.
The LG1 is in perfect condition and plays great. It is a lot more
playable (and sellable for that matter) than the 2 intruments I traded
and I have no regrets.
There were several large dealers present (Mr. Music, Guitar Center,
Ear-Craft, Daddy's, etc.) as well as many smaller dealers. I saw tons
of interesting pieces. Some of the more interesting sitings included:
"DanElectro Madness" - There was one dealer present that seemed to
specialize in DanElectro's. He had the most complete collection of
Dano's I've ever seen, including catalogs, amplifiers, and other
items.
Guitar Center had a very impressive selection of vintage guitars
including several pre-CBS instruments.
Mr. Music had the largest display at the show. His selection of
Les Pauls was mind-bogling. I'm glad I wasn't in the market for
a LP because I could never make a decision with all of those
choices. He had one of the new Les Paul "Corvette" models. These
are basically Les Pauls with custom color finishes, and scoop
affect across the front of the body (like the scoop on the side
of an early-sixties Vette), with "Corvette" inlayed into the
fingerboard with MOP. These are visually quite striking, but I
believe it's a flash in the pan for Gibson. Overall Mr. Music had
a very impressive display. The instrument that caught my eye the
most was a new Rickenbacker 360-12 with double-bound body and
fireglow finish.
Overall, I would say the show was a success, but I'm not sure how
the organizers felt about the change in venue. I'm sure they had a
larger crowd in Boston.
The Ocean State guitar show (part II) will be held in Rhode Island
in November. I'll post the date and location as soon as I know.
Mark
|
2721.73 | The search for a nice refinned Fiesta Red 60's Strat! | NETCAD::TTESTA | Holding my breath till I turn BLUES | Thu Jul 06 1995 19:17 | 75 |
| Hi folks,
It was good seeing so many of you there on saturday AM...that was my
first show and I had a ball running into folks I know...not to mention
drooling over all the cool stuff...mmmmm White Falcons and ES-5's
and...
I kinda wish I hadn't had my kids/girlfriend there...I could've
stayed all day...(I would've gone sunday too if I'd not had a prior
commitment!) I wanted to play EVERYthing...but as it were, it was
difficult getting to everything with my entourage... but they (my
entourage) were helpful in locating pieces I was interested in...as
well as having some fun.
I was glad to see so many PRE-CBS strats still available, and
it seemsStrat-mania has somewhat leveled out...the 50's/60's strats
seemed to be a bit less expensive then I'd thought...(though there were VERY
few original custom colored ones...plenty of refins though...
Guitar Center had an impressive display of pre CBS strats. (Though
I'd never seen so many original 50's and 60's sunburst ones all in one
place!)
They seemed willing to deal, especially with my trade in stuff
(a 73 strat w/stagg polepiece PUs, and 63 Guild CE-100 D )
I didn't trade/buy anything there...A private deal is STILL the only
way to go, but it re-affirmed that my latest purchase (refin 62
strat...) was a good deal.
I saw two nice Fiesta Red Strats...one'62 and one '64, both
well done refins... the first one was the 62 from a guy in line as we were
waiting to get in...his price.. $4000...I wished him luck and went on
my way...the other was one at Sunrise Guitars booth....
The asking price was right inmy ball park, but any "oversprayed
headstock" sets off a big alarm for me... besides the fact that the
neck/frets really didn't feel all that nice... when I said "It doesn't
'speak' to me"...that was a nice way of saying "I think this neck is a
repro, I'm wary of the rest of it too..." I just don't trust anybody
anymore...
I might have been overly cautious, (I recently had the
experience of taking apart/verifying a "57 Tele" I was considering
buying (had money down on it), only to find out there was NOTHING on it
made in "57" except the pots/knobs!) but in talking with some of
the dealers, I just got the feeling that they were unloading stuff THEY'D
been burnt on...too many frankensteins, too many with REPRO parts in
the 'important' areas...repro necks, pu's etc...
I played a nice '56 I couldn't afford with a "V" neck...now I
want one!!! There was another one there, I picked it up and played it
because it was "affordable"...
I talked to the dealer for a while, (I almost fell over
laughing when he told me what it was all about!) but was having
fun working a deal for trade/cash...I told him "I'd think about it" as
I walked around some more... he came down to $1200 cash and my '73
strat ($800 trade) and the '63 guild...($400 trade)
This "old" tele had a 'REPRO' neck, non-original
finish/hardware/2 pu's... ONLY the pickguard, one PU, body, and pots were
original, (but he was ONLY asking$2500...
My girlfriend watched in disbelief as I finally got his rock
bottom price and then reiterated what he was offering me saying, "So
what you're really trying to sell me is a refinned 50's body and ONE
pickup and pots for $2400? He was speechless...and all the folks at his
booth scattered away pretty quickly after laughing out loud...it was
was pretty comical...
Then there was the guy (Who had the highest prices there!)
complaining about how he could only offer me $500 for my strat because
he "hadn't sold a single thing yet"...and how he had to pay for travel
and hotel and booth space, etc... I fought the urge to offer him a
simple solution and explain that if he'd just reduce his prices to
"reality", making a small profit, he'd start "selling" lots of stuff!
(instead of trying to "price gouge"... sorry, but offering someone $500
on a guit he's going to turn around and sell tomorrow for $1000 is just
plain wrong...he could split that into a better offer, a smaller
profit, and sell enough to make it work out in his favor...instead of
being a greedy so-and-so.)
Whew, but there was one white 63 strat that I saw at the
entrance when we came in... I wanted it, but it was on consignment for
$2500 and he couldn't do trade in on it. That one spoke to me!
And the White Falcon...and the...maybe it's better I didn't go on
Sunday!
Tom T
|
2721.74 | Ocean State Guitar Show, Part II. | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:41 | 20 |
| The "Ocean State Guitar Show, Part II" will be held in Johnston, RI
on Saturday November 4. This is the same venue as the last RI show.
See .53 for the address. I'll post directions later. The show is
advertized in the latest Want-Advertizer magazine.
I have a table reserved for this show, along with 3 friends. We will
have a total of 4 tables in the same area. Now comes the hard part,
deciding what to put up for sale. As much as I hate to sell any of my
gear, I really could use the money, and the space it would free up.
Realistically, it's hard to justify keeping 30+ guitars.
I am pretty well set to put on a nice display. I have 6 Gruven display
stands, plus 4 other stands which will allow me to display 10 guitars.
I also have a nice glass display case which I will fill with lot's of
guitar parts, and accessories. It would be nice to sell 4-5 items and
come home with a few grand, especially a month before Christmas!!
I'll keep you posted.
Mark
|
2721.75 | | JARETH::KMCDONOUGH | SET KIDS/NOSICK | Mon Oct 16 1995 13:52 | 10 |
|
Is this show run by Richard from Cumberland? RI? If this is the same
guy, he's been running tons of ads in the WantAds forever, usually
Fender blackface stuff at not-at-the-top-but-close prices.
It's not unusual for him to have 8-10 ads in one issue of the
WantAds.
|
2721.76 | Cumberland Blues | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Oct 16 1995 14:30 | 14 |
| Kev, Yes this show is being organized by Richard from Cumberland, RI.
Richard generally has 1/2 dozen or more ads in the Want Ads each week.
He is big on vintage Fender and Gibson gear. His buddy, also from RI is
a Gretch/Mosrite fanatic. I believe the 2 of them have a store together
somewhere in RI, possibly in the Woonsocket area.
Richard is a hellofalot nicer to deal with than the people that organize
the New England Show. Those people are egomaniacs, and they play favorites
with all of their buddies. I believe it has something to do with the
Boston big-city mentality. The Ocean State show is a lot more fun IMHO.
There is more comradery between dealers, and a more laid-back atmosphere.
Hope to see everyone there. Don't forget to bring lots of cash!!
Mark
|
2721.77 | Ocean State show a smash! | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Mon Nov 06 1995 14:01 | 27 |
|
I just returned from the Ocean State Guitar Show. As I said
earlier, I rented a table along with 3 friends. We had 4 tables
along the wall right next to the snack bar. It was very convenient
to be able to grab a cup of coffee or bight to eat without leaving
my table. There was several chairs right next to me where people
could sit and try instruments. It worked out perfect. My friends
reserved the tables very early and specifically requested to be
against the wall. I think we had the bests tables in the house.
I brought several pieces with me that I really didn't want to
sell. I put top-dollar prices on them with the idea that if someone
was willing to pay the price, I'd let them go. I didn't sell any of
these pieces and happily brought them back home. I also had a lot of
low-end stuff that I definately wanted to sell, and had no problem
doing so. All in all, I sold about $350 and after paying ($50) for
the table I took home $300. No a bad haul for the day.
This is my favorite guitar show in the New England area. I like
this show much better than the Boston and New England Shows. It's a
lot more laid-back atmosphere. There are very few large dealers
present, mostly weekend warriors. None the less, you get to see
lot's of cool stuff and prices are reasonable. I highly recommend
this show. Richard will probably be organizing another for the
March timeframe.
Mark
|
2721.78 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | Fast, Cheap, Good: choose any two | Mon Nov 06 1995 17:02 | 36 |
| I guess an evaluation of the Ocean State guitar show depends a lot on
your luck that day. For instance, a friend of mine grabbed a 60's
Sunn Solarus for $100 (he loves these beasts), so to him the show was
a gas. I overheard several dealers who didn't make their day, and they
seemed less enamored with the event. Mark, I think you did better than
most. As someone commented to me (another dealer), there were a lot of
"tire kickers" but not too many buyers.
I myself had danger money in my pocket Saturday, but couldn't find
anything I really wanted. The doubleneck Gibson mentioned elsewhere
was a brief temptation. I'm constantly on the lookout for that perfect
60's Gibson semi, and there were two candidates; '59 and '63 ES-355s,
both gorgeous cherry red. Neither one played well, imo.
Attention Tom D, there was another L5S. This one was rather beat.
I've come to the conclusion that this is one guitar that has to be mint
to be appreciated. I can generally tolerate player's wear in old guitars,
but if I ever got an L5S it would have to sparkle. This one didn't.
Someone claimed that resonator guitar virtuoso Bob Brozeman was there
and had a jam with some other players; didn't see this myself.
Guitar-wise, the highlight of the show had to be Tom Keating's awesome
custom solidbody 12-string. I own one of Tom's instruments already,
a custom 8-string bass (see note 2368) but had only seen pictures of
this 12-string guitar. Words cannot do it justice, and it played
better than I had imagined. A work of art! And unfortunately not
for sale :-(
My extreme thanks to Mark for letting me display a couple of items at
his booth. I got lots of interest, ultimately no sale, but that's
okay; I decided I really didn't want to sell one of the items anyway.
All in all, pretty good way to spend a Saturday.
/rick
|
2721.79 | ...but it's a nice vice | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Tue Apr 16 1996 17:24 | 18 |
| Northeast guitar mavens have a choice of two shows this weekend; the
third Ocean State (R.I.) Guitar show and the first springtime version
of the Manhattan Guitar show.
I'll probably do my usual Saturday hang at the R.I. show, although I'm
concerned that Manhattan will draw away a lot of the interesting dealers
and traffic. Last spring's R.I. show was a gas, fall was a letdown, so
we'll see what happens this time.
The Manhattan show is a two day affair (R.I. is just Saturday). There's
been a fall version for several years now that has a reputation of being
one of the coolest and funkiest around; less high $$$ vintage dealers and
more players and neat-but-cheap action.
So is anyone else guitar-showing this weekend?
/rick
|
2721.80 | I'm afraid I might miss! | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Apr 16 1996 18:44 | 7 |
| I could have rented a table at the RI show this weekend, but I don't
have any gear that I wish to sell right now, so I passed. Lately,
I've been really busy on weekends, and we have 2 soccer games to
go to next weekend, so I may not make it to the RI show at all.
Too many irons in the fire, I'm afraid!
Mark
|
2721.81 | maybe next time | GAVEL::DAGG | | Tue Apr 16 1996 19:19 | 6 |
|
Sounds like fun, but I'll have to pass. 'Looking
forward to your review.
Dave
|
2721.82 | R.I., part III | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Mon Apr 22 1996 17:43 | 89 |
| Ocean State Guitar Show III, this past Saturday in Johnston R.I., was a
very scaled down affair. No doubt there was some effect from the Manhattan
show also held this past weekend, but it's tough to tell if that was the
main reason, if the area itself is just dried out, or if guitar shows in
general are on the wane.
This seemed about half the size of previous R.I. shows; no more than twenty
dealers and most displays were small and modest. I saw virtually no
collectible grade vintage instruments for sale. There *were* several such
pieces in fancy glass display cases; a Gretsch White Falcon, a stunning
blonde ES-350, etc. Unfortunately, the display cases were for sale but
not the guitars :-( However, I suspect many dealers who were there would
tell you the show was a success; I saw several of them doing a brisk
business. They seem to have a bead on the market down there now;
affordable, working class versions of classic American electrics and
acoustics.
As always, there are a few things from the show that linger in my mind:
CUSTOM SHOPPING - I inevitably gravitate towards the small, up-and-coming
custom builders at these shows. You always see interesting, sometimes
amazing stuff, and usually at a fraction of what the big guys charge.
Small as it was, this show still had a couple. Jim Combra out of
Portsmouth R.I. was showing two of his very nice PRS-meets-Alembic
handmade solidbodies. Beautiful wood, big fat necks (big necks are in
these days - yay!) and about the nicest done fretboards I've layed me
mitts across in some time. Really, these played wonderfully. His asking
price was $800 and I'm sure he would've come down. The other custom
builder was Kent Hollister from Harwich MA. He brought several pieces,
including a cherry red 335 style with carved top and EMGs. These were
a little more expensive but still impressive.
BEST WALK-IN - He looked like Leo Fender's grand-dad, hobbling around the
room in a plaid shirt and lugging a 50's Gibson case under his arm. Inside
was a '53 Les Paul Goldtop that he had bought new (and supposedly hardly
played). There was some age and corrosion on it, and some scars from a
failed Bigsby experiment, but it was otherwise remarkably clean. Original
tags etc. He said he wanted to sell it, but when you tried to corner him
on a price he got evasive. My guess is it went back home; as someone else
remarked, "he just wanted us to see what he had".
RICK PARTS WITH SOME COIN - So far I've resisted the urge to drop serious
money at a show, but I always come away with a little something. Someone
had a bunch of 50's GE NOS 6V6 bottles in matched pairs. I grabbed two
sets. You never know when you'll see toobs like that again. Don't ask me
what I paid though; suffice to say, it would've bought a lot of pizzas!
My other purchase was a copy of "Guitars from Neptune", the just published
guide to Danelectros. As books go, it's a pretty low budget affair; mostly
just catalog reprints. Still, it's by far the best source yet on these
strange creatures. I even got mine autographed by the author. It says
"To Rick, a Dano man". How'd he know?
ATTENTION MARK JACQUES - I saw several low budget American archtops at the
show; you would have had a good time. The best of these was a full sized
17" Silvertone(???) with an exquisite fiddleback flamed back. I got yanked
away just as I was about to investigate further and for some reason never
made it back. Oh well.
VINTAGE TRENDS - Blackface Fender amp prices seemed to have stabilized, at
around $800. I saw several nice Deluxe Reverbs, Pros, and Supers at that
price. Still a good piece of change, but maybe not so bad for what many
consider some of the best sounding guitar amps ever made.
BASS DESIRES PT II - A good show for bassists. There were three Laklands,
a modern handmade bass that's trying to be an updated Music Man/G&L.
These almost played themselves, and every 15 minutes or so you'd hear
another mad slapper at the booth taking one out for a spin (more on this
later). One booth had three 70's Jazz basses, with very healthy price
tags; one buyer took all three! But the one that almost got me to raid
the piggy bank was the Franken-P-Bass. The neck was a '68, and seemed
earlier; perfect shape, and the back had that smooth thumb-rubbed-lacquer
patina that can only be achieved by decades of hard labor in smokey dives.
Most of the other parts were early 60's, and the body was of unknown
origin but had that solid-but-featherweight quality you only find in good
pre-CBS lumber. The finish was a medium-light orange, like a faded Fiesta
Red. Easily the bass looking and playing P-bass I've seen for sale in
months.
MOST OBNOXIOUS - It was a close call as to who annoyed more people at the
show, the mad bass slappers or the harp players. Everytime a harp player
cranked up, you'd hear an audible groan ripple through the hall. On the
other hand bassists in R.I. don't seem to have figured out that the 80's,
along with slap-till-your-thumb-bleeds-bass-playing, are over. It was like
World War III in there at times. A close second were the Jaco wannabe's;
"Portrait of Tracy" has now become the bass player's "Eruption". You can
always count on hearing this several times, and always done badly.
/rick
|
2721.83 | | KDX200::COOPER | Heh heh - Not likely pal | Mon Apr 22 1996 22:41 | 3 |
| "audible groan..."
I'm rollin'!! Wgagagagagagagagagagaaa!
|
2721.84 | Makes me hate blues harp! | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue Apr 23 1996 12:43 | 10 |
| Rick, thanks for the review. Again, I'm sorry I missed it. Hopefully
I'll be able to make the next show in the Fall.
Those harp players are the pits! I swear, the same guy shows up at
every show and trys every freakin' tube amp and crystal mic in the
place, then leaves empty handed. I guess it's the only audience he
ever gets to play to. He thinks he's J Geils. Someone should tell
this idiot that it's a GUITAR show, not a HARP show.
Mark
|
2721.85 | Not that it matters... | CUSTOM::ALLBERY | Jim | Tue Apr 23 1996 13:22 | 5 |
| RE: He thinks he's J Geils.
Actually, Mr. Geils plays guitar.
Magic Dick is the harp player.
|
2721.86 | | POLAR::KFICZERE | | Wed Apr 24 1996 10:02 | 2 |
| I would gather this "Magic Dick" would be quite popular with the
ladies, yes.
|
2721.87 | oh yeah, forgot the one celebrity encounter | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Wed Apr 24 1996 12:22 | 3 |
| I won't touch that last reply, but as a side note J Geils was actually
in attendance at the show.
|
2721.88 | Classic American Guitar Show, Long Island, NY | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Mon May 20 1996 18:06 | 157 |
| This is a long one.
Just got back from the 4th annual Classic American Guitar Show out on Long
Island this weekend. The show is put on by the folks at 20th Century
Guitar magazine. The setting for this affair is the quiet suburban campus
of Five Towns College in the town of Dix Hills. It's in a beautiful,
green, country setting; you couldn't ask for a more pleasant, relaxed vibe.
One of the driving forces behind the show is millionaire playboy Scott
Chinery (who liked 20th Century Guitar magazine so much, he bought it!).
Some of Mr Chinery's other notable posessions include the original TV
Batmobile and the most extensive/expensive collection of classic American
vintage guitars on the planet. More on him later.
This was my first "major league" guitar show. Many high profile dealers
were there, from all over the country and even Europe. Size-wise it wasn't
that big; probably double the number of instruments at the Boston/Andover
shows. But quality wise, there was an order of magnitude difference.
There was almost no junk at this show; everything you saw was top quality.
That's not to say it was just a rich man's show either; there were plenty
of fine, quality guitars in every price range. For example, at Jacques
Mazzoleni's booth, right next to the $30K Les Pauls and Selmer Maccaferis,
was an absolutely sweet Weyman archtop from the 40's in immaculate
condition, for $275! (I still don't know why I didn't snatch this one up).
Every guitar show has it's theme, and at the Long Island show it's
archtops and jazz. About a third of the floorspace at the show is devoted
exclusively to archtops. Pretty much every major current builder of
archtops had a booth there, and I saw more fine vintage L5's and Super
400's in one day than I had seen in total before. In the center of the
affair is a little green courtyard where they had non-stop barbecue and
live entertainment, all day both days. It was a great place to sit
and relax between forays into the guitar jungle inside; in fact, you
could have spent both days just hanging around the courtyard and had a
great time. Most of the live music was jazz, some of the performers
included Jimmy Bruno, Sal Salvador, Adrian Ingram, Joe Puma, and Howard
Alden.
In summary, I'd say this was about as good it gets. Everything about this
show was top notch. I had an incredibly relaxing weekend just eating,
sleeping and breathing guitar. If you like guitars, and especially jazz
guitars, you owe it to yourself to check this show out at least once.
And now, a few more highlights:
THE BLUE GUITARS - the focus of the show was undoubtedly the "Blue Guitar"
collection. Scott Chinery commissioned 22 of the top builders in the
world to each build him an 18" archtop in blue sunburst; the inspiration
for this idea (and the centerpiece of the resulting collection) being a
gorgeous blue Centura Deluxe that was one of the last guitars built by the
late James D'Aquisto. All the big names were there, Monteleone, Triggs,
Benedetto, Lacey, etc. each trying to outdo the other, and resulting in
one of the most stunning and unique groups of guitars every assembled.
You can see 10 of these guitars in the current issue of TCG (13 more were
still to be completed when the magazine went to press; they were at the
show). I overheard that at the big pre-show bash at Chinery's mansion
Thursday night (VIP invitation only) there were famous rockers (Johnny
Winter for one) and jazz players jamming the night away together on the
various blue guitars. Quite impressive.
CULTURE SHOCK - the Long Island Expressway ("el-eye-ex" to the locals).
It has exits that are bigger than many Massachusetts highways. And New
York drivers are ruder and more agressive than Boston drivers ever thought
of being. Driving for those who like it a little "spicey".
THE RELICS - I stumbled upon a couple of the infamous Fender "Relic"
series, Custom Shop copies of vintage Fenders that are fake-aged for that
authentic look and feel. There were two, a '57 style Mary Kay Strat
(blonde, maple board, gold hardware) and a '62 style Tele in Sonic Blue.
The verdict? 50-50. The fake aging stuff is pretty realistic, but silly.
And the one place it still fell short was on the neck of that Strat.
There's just something about old-lacquer-on-old-maple that can't be faked.
But beyond the tacky cosmetics, these are without a doubt the finest,
most authentic vintage repros I've ever seen and played. Even down to
the most subtle details, like the feel and texture of the wood. The Tele
in particular was completely indistinguishable from the real thing. Which
also means it played and sounded incredible. I heard at the show that
you can now get "un-aged" Relics from the Custom Shop; the same quality,
authenticity, and attention to detail that I saw in the Relics at the show
and without the useless dings and scratches. That would be the way to go.
For looks, feel and tone these are beyond anything I've seen to date out
of Fender. On these instruments, they finally seem to be catching up to
Gibson in their ability to produce new guitars that truly satisfy the "old
guitar" jones some of us have.
RELIC REDUX - 30th Street Guitars (NYC) had their own interesting spin on
the relic idea. They took Japanese made Fender vintage re-issues and did
their own fake aging. These were selling for about $600, a slight premium
over the normal price of these instruments and a big drop from the $2k the
Custom Shop charges for theirs. They did a nice job with the aging; the
same realistic looking nicks, dings, cigarette burns etc. (I'll bet the
folks at 30th Street had a good time making these; I picture a drunken
party in somebody's basement). And the guitars played... well, like
Japanese made re-issues. These provided still more evidence to my mind
that there is truly something special going on with the real Relic series,
something beyond the aging thing.
MOST OBSCENE STICKER PRICE - Elliot Mechanic (Mechanicland) had a nice,
clean, flamey, cherryburst '59 Les Paul for the amazing low, low price
of $100K. As one of my friends remarked, "if I had $100,000 that guitar
is the first thing I *wouldn't* buy". No doubt Elliot really didn't want
to sell this guitar (unless of course someone was looney enuff) and was
just doing a little marketeering; creating a little controversy and maybe
pushing the market a bit. I have his phone number if anyone wants it :-)
BRUSH WITH CELEBRITY - There's a big celebrity concert/jam every year on
Saturday night and the participants were all hanging out during the day.
I kept running into Steve Howe (what a pain :-), and saw Ian McDonald
(founding member of King Crimson and Foreigner) a few times. Also saw
Arlen Roth, Jimmy Vivino (Conan Obrien Show) and wunderkind Smokin Joe
Bonamassa (who isn't really a kid anymore). And uh, that's it.
STRANGE COINCIDENCE - I saw several, no make that many, inexpensive copies
of Epiphone/Gibson Howard Roberts archtops for sale; Ibanez, Aria, Electra,
etc. All nice guitars in nice shape and all very reasonably priced. The
Howard Roberts is a unique beast; single sharp cutaway, oval soundhole,
floating pickup at the end of the neck. They look very sharp, and the
oval soundhole seems to make these less prone to feedback than similarly
sized f-hole guitars. For a jazz player on a budget, these were an
excellent value.
THE SULTAN - I met my most memorable character of the show out in the
courtyard. In addition to the food and live jazz, there was a lot of
wheeling and dealing going on there. People who walked in with instruments
would set out their opened cases in the grass, hoping to attract a buyer.
At first I noticed the guitar case, a big tweed covered archtop job. Next
to it, a '53 wide-panel tweed Deluxe and a small cardboard sign scrawled in
magic marker. I opened the case and saw an old Gibson archtop, sunburst
acoustic non-cut, caked with age, with a floating Dearmond "Rhythm Chief"
pickup installed. Across the lower bout were three plastic stick-on
letters, spread diagonally:
V
A
L
I looked up and saw a smiling face. "Are you Val?" He was. Somewhere in
his mid-60's, large thick black-framed glasses, several strands of greasy
black hair combed over in a vain attempt to hide a mostly bald head. The
man, like the equipment, were well worn but with the kind of dignified,
honest wear that's just the inevitable result of years of use taking their
toll. We talked, about tone and about authentic sound and about the era of
the big bands when jazz was king. He seemed to enjoy the interest this
veritable "youngster" showed, and he told me some more. About road trips
along the eastern seaboard, recording dates, late-night club gigs and about
eeking out a living as a journeyman jazz guitarist in the greatest city on
earth during it's greatest years. At some point, I found myself wanting
to own that guitar and that amp, more than any other item at the show.
But I quickly realized that what made me want them was something that
couldn't be bought; it could only be earned, the hard way. All too soon
my buddies came along and dragged me off to see something they'd found;
I could've stayed and listened forever. I don't why Val was selling his
rig, if he really needed the money or not. I hoped that he didn't, and I
secretly hoped that no-one bought his treasures from him that day. It just
wouldn't have been right somehow.
/rick
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2721.89 | wow, jazz guitar! | GAVEL::DAGG | | Mon May 20 1996 18:27 | 2 |
| Thanks Rick, cool review!
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2721.90 | | PIET09::DESROCHERS | psdv.pko.dec.com/tomd/home.html | Tue May 21 1996 09:04 | 5 |
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You hot sh*t!
And you didn't buy anything?!??!?
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2721.91 | Thanks | TMAWKO::BELLAMY | I don't wanna pickle ... | Tue May 21 1996 10:36 | 1 |
| Great note, Rick!
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2721.92 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Tue May 21 1996 11:12 | 11 |
| re .90
I get real conservative $$$ wise at these shows. Whenever I buy an
instrument, it usually takes several days; I think about it, go back
etc. Just not an impulsive kinda guy I guess.
I did pick up a couple more of the Guitar Player/Rhino "Legends of
Guitar" compilations on cassette ($5 apiece); great car tapes.
/rick
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2721.93 | | ASABET::DCLARK | SBU Technology Group | Tue May 21 1996 11:16 | 1 |
| Agreed, that was a killer write-up!
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2721.94 | | STAR::KMCDONOUGH | SET KIDS/NOSICK | Tue May 21 1996 11:57 | 6 |
|
Ditto, nice job, Rick! Next time, take Danny Webber with you. I'll
have to take a day off to read *that* note. 8-)
Kevin
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2721.95 | Some day perhaps | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Tue May 21 1996 13:19 | 10 |
| I'm jealous! Thanks for the write-up.
One of my best friends just accepted a job in Dallas Tx. The movers
carted off his belongings yesterday and we had a little send off for
him, his wife and daughter. We're already talking about a trip to
Dallas to visit.....If I ever make it, I'd love to go while the South-
west Texas show is running. Supposedly the largest and most celebrated
show in the Country.
Mark
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2721.96 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Tue May 21 1996 14:23 | 12 |
| I just read a write-up on the Dallas show; 400 dealers! That's many
times bigger than Long Island. I can't even imagine it.
I heard (from a party attendee) that CBS camera crews were at the
Chinery mansion for the Thursday night soiree. Keep a lookout for
some sort of report on it.
Hey Mark, the Long Island show is about 4 hours eta from here, or
about 5 if you take one of the ferries (a little longer, but less
stressful). You could day-trip it easy with a little ambition.
See ya there next year?
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2721.97 | Guitar show in andover, anyone make it ? | ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkey | professional hombre | Mon Jun 24 1996 10:21 | 11 |
| Anybody make it out to the Guitar show in Andover this
weekend ?
I went up for a little while... It was the first one for
me,, it was fun, loads of guitars, but I heard tales that
in comparison to most of the others, it was fairly small.
(I'd guess there were about 1,000 pieces there...)
Managed to not spend a dime after admission, and I'm still
trying to figure that one out!! :^)
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2721.98 | I WENT | POWDML::MAY_B | | Mon Jun 24 1996 11:52 | 13 |
| I went and like yourself, walked out without anything!!! I was a bit
dissapointed with its smaller size. I was predominently looking at
accoustic guitars and found that unlike past shows I have been to, the
pickins were slim. I didn't see anything that I just had to have at a
price I would like to pay.. I did see and play a "Tippin" dreadnaught
that really turned me on, but not enough to pop $2300. This guy really
makes a fine instrument and think he is going to do well. His influence
is Martin with a few minor changes which net him an instrument thats
loud, crisp with great bass and midrance response. May have to stop
by his shop here in Mass. and talk some more with him.
Bruce
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2721.99 | | ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkey | professional hombre | Mon Jun 24 1996 11:58 | 8 |
| actually now that ya mention it,, there wasn't really that many
acoustics in general... I saw enough Les Pauls and Strats to fill
a trailer,,,
And did you see that Tiesco DelRay ? Thing had about 5 pickups,
and 600 switches and knobs, I haven't seen one of them since
I was a kid..
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2721.100 | pretty much okay | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Mon Jun 24 1996 14:07 | 33 |
| I was there; stopped by late Saturday and also spent some time there on
Sunday. Not a big show, but fun for a couple of hours.
I saw lots of nice low end Gibson archtops (maybe because I had my eye
out for these); several 40's L50s and 50s ES125s and 150s, all in the
$600-$800 range. Nice deals on nice guitars.
Sunrise Music from Long Island was doing lots of high rolling; a
gorgeous, original owner '58 Tele and tweed Harvard walked in and they
snapped it up, then immediately turned the Tele over for a '60s Strat,
then a short time later sold the Strat. Lot's of high $$$ vintage
pieces were going in and out of their booth for much of the show.
Former DECcie Ron Blomberg had an all (or mostly anyway) acoustic
booth with some of the coolest guitars and best deals at the show.
One thing I noticed from going both days; lots of guitars that looked
like good deals on Saturday showed up at another dealer's booth (and
with a higher price tag) on Sunday. Dealers checked each other out
for things that were underpriced and snapped up those that were.
There were definitely deals to be had, but you had to be there early
on Saturday and you had to act quick.
For the second year in a row there was some guy from Indiana who has a
large collection of bootleg video stuff for sale. Lots of interesting
items, quality varies, but you can preview before you buy. I almost
bit on a Free retrospective, with some nice early 70's concert footage,
and did end up grabbing some Bloomfield stuff.
Rumor has it they may be moving the show back to Boston next year.
/rick
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2721.101 | | ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkey | professional hombre | Mon Jun 24 1996 15:48 | 9 |
| I was there on Saturday, about mid day, and didn't go back
sunday, but to be quite honest, in the 90 minutes I was there,
I was actually surprised to note that I really didn't see
a lot of buying and successful trading going on... Then
again, I only ran through the isles twice, then split.
We'll probably go out to the Boston show (If it happens)
next year..
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2721.102 | | PIET09::DESROCHERS | psdv.pko.dec.com/tomd/home.html | Tue Jun 25 1996 09:31 | 19 |
|
I was there on Sat. from noon to 2 or so. The prices on some of
the most beat on Strats and LP's boggle the mind. But those
beautiful new LP's... ahhh, what gorgeous tops!
Saw a little red Rickenbacher for around $400. Kinda cool but
played a bit stiff. Rick pickups look really cheap but I'm not
familiar with how they sound.
I have to admit that there are some seriously butt-ugly guitars
in the world. Brand new designs too! Where they get the backing
investment money from is beyond me.
Tom
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2721.103 | moldy oldies | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Tue Jun 25 1996 12:33 | 14 |
| Speaking of beat guitars, Sunrise had this really weathered 60's Tele
with a deep forest green finish. The tag on it said LPB (Lake Placid
Blue). Sure enough, if you peaked under the guard, there was a
pristine deep metallic blue color. The lacquer on the exposed surfaces
had yellowed so much it made the blue undercoat look vivid green.
They also had one of the infamous "fake" Relic Strats; a powder blue
50's style Japanese re-issue that had been scuffed, cigarette burned,
etc. It wasn't tagged, and I saw several people stop by the booth and
drool over it, believing it was the real thing ("bet he's asking 8
grand for it, man"). What a riot.
/rick
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2721.104 | No thanks, I'll beat it myself! | MILKWY::JACQUES | | Wed Jun 26 1996 18:01 | 4 |
| Those fake relic guitars ought to be simple to spot. Just look at
the neck heel for the "made in Japan" decal.
Mark
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2721.105 | a casualty of the relic'ing process | RICKS::CALCAGNI | just back'in over the cats | Wed Jun 26 1996 18:15 | 2 |
| Sorry, it was "worn away"
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2721.106 | big guitar weekend coming up | RICKS::CALCAGNI | ice cold water runnin through my veins | Thu May 01 1997 13:32 | 10 |
| Heads up, the Long Island show returns in two weeks (May 17-18). Based
on reports from previous shows and what I saw last year, this show gets
better every year. Looks like this one will be even more heavily into
the jazz vibe, with lots of celebrity performances and builders in
attendance. Leslie West is slated to be at the Saturday night jam
concert and no doubt will be hanging around; maybe I'll even get to
kick back a few burgers with him at the barbecue :-)
/rick
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2721.107 | a good time to be had! | NETCAD::BUSENBARK | | Mon May 19 1997 18:48 | 116 |
|
Well my first guitar show experiance happened this weekend down on Long Island
and it really was quite overwhelming.
The show was located in Dix Hills,LI at the Five Towns College in a building
that seemed to house some of the college's music department. Dix Hill's seemed
to be a pretty nice area in that it being somewhat rural and away from the city.
The whole show was very impressive and seemed well run. There was always
something going on,whether in the Jazz Courtyard or at individual booths
where artists were playing.
Just inside the entrance after I checked in my guitar and paid my $9 was a
fairly impressive line of archtops in new condition. Everything from
D'Angelico to a Jim Triggs.
Not only did there seem to be thousands of guitars,but alot of jazz guitar
players. I had been really looking forward to seeing and hearing Howard Alden
who was a featured artist,but I was hoping to get a chance to play some fine
instruments too. At the last minute I decided to save myself a buck and take
the sunburst 67 Guild Starfire 12(within 10 minutes it was sold!)
I was primarily interested in a couple of things,listen to some jazz guitar
and demo an Evans amp and some archtops. All of which were easily accomplished.
As I was walking around I was totaly blown away by some of the people who were
just trying out instruments. Some of which just had some incredible chops,almost
to the point whereas it was intimidating. But after about an hour that all
kind of went away... :^)
New to me,was a player by the name of Jimmy Bruno. I had heard rumblings about
this guy,but I expected him to be someone Joe Pass's age or Jim Hall. Come to
find out he's only 43 and was simply incredible! I did pickup his "Smokin"
release on Concord and would recommend it to anyone who has a taste for Joe
Pass,Pat Martino and Oscar Peterson! And thanks to Cindy Benedetto,I was able
to get Jimmy to sign the CD. Plus She also was able to get Howard Alden to
sign a copy of his new release also.
Unfortunately I forgot to ask about Benedetto pickups... :^( and
I did not get a chance to talk to Bob Benedetto himself as he seemed to be
pretty swamped all day.
Most of the high end archtop builders were using these pickups and I only saw
one builder who used a stock Kent Armstrong pickup.
It was surprising that there was not a Benedetto booth.....? The Benedettos
were right next to the Buscarino booth,with the Just Jazz Guitar table.
Howard Alden played by himself for a few tunes before he was joined by Jimmy
Bruno and really performed some nice tunes. Howard and Jimmy started this duet
thing and everything was fine until some sprinkles started to come down. At
the end of one of the tunes Howard announced that " now you understand not
only are Benedettos great guitars,but there waterproof too." The rain stopped
there performance unfortunately. They both used Benedetto's with 7 strings
and Evans amp's.
There were other performers,but these two stuck out in my mind.
John Pisano,Jerry Beaudoin,Sal Salvador to name a few....maybe Rick can add
a few? There was always a rythmn section of bass and drums.
Since this was mentioned in the Heritage basenote,I'll mention I was impressed
with the Super Eagle I tried at the show. It seemed to have a good acoustic
sound,but the dealer who was selling Heritages did not have an amp so I could
not try it with it's pickup. They also had a blonde Sweet 16 which I played,and
it felt and sounded differently than the other Sweet 16 that I have tried. On
the same table was a 58 Gibson Goldtop Les Paul for $25k.
The one thing I recognized was that trying to play/demo a high quality archtop
at one of these shows(or at least this one)was more of a chore than what I
would want to try to accomplish. Of course I'm probably not the first one to
recognize this....but I would recommend you go to gather literature and perhaps
talk to the Luthiers and arrange a second meeting for a real demo.
I had the oppurtunity to play a 7 string Napolitano archtop(Allentown,NJ) and
really found it quite easy to play. I talked to the builder to find out that
the instrument had for strings......013's for the first string.
I also tried to get a chance at trying a Campellone archtop,but his booth was
busy.
Some very ornate metal work was shown on a Zeidler 18+ inch acoustic archtop
which was very difficult to play. I later learned the pricetag was $25k
And Scott Chinery was walking around and he brought his collection of Blue
guitars.
After spending several hours looking,trying it really seemed like production
instruments from Guild,Gibson and others which were all over the place seemed
to pale in comparision with the dozen or so luthiers whose instruments were
displayed.
Equally impressive was after 6 to 7 hours of walking around it really seemed
like alot of instruments were still available. I did see a Bory's 120 with
a price tag of $3k with a Sold tag on it and maybe a couple of more sold signs
but it didn't seem like there was alot of guitars selling. Mandolin Bros. had
a booth which seemed to be a diamond in the rough with a fine example of a
D'Angelico and maybe a D'Aquisto.
There was one beat Gibson Johnny Smith for $4k that I remember seeing,lots of
Gibson L7's both with and without cutaways. A blonde non cut L5 for $4.5k.,only
one L4c for $2.2k,several Guild archtops from $850 to close to $2k,but no
Artist Awards that I remember.(the cheapest Epi Emperor was $750 Ray!) In
general I sometimes found myself in a state of shock at either the condition
of the instruments or the price or both. In some case's I would want to have
some significant work done,before I would use an instrument.
Later in the evening the "Benedetto players" were going to perform at the
Huntington Hilton,but I was pretty much saturated for listening by the end of
the day.
The music alone was well worth the trip and the $9 to get in...the availability
of the instruments galore was a treat too....
Next time I'll bring a camera!
Rick
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