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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

832.0. "Passive Tone Circuit" by RUGRAT::POWELL (Dan Powell/274-6608) Thu Sep 08 1988 18:12

    Is it possible to add some type of PASSIVE midrange and treble 
    tone circuit to a strat? 

    If I remember correctly, Gibson used to have a circuit called 
    "Varitone" which employed a 6 or 7 position switch, a coil, and
    a wierd little RC network. I don't know if this is what I'm after,
    but I'm open to suggestions.
	
    Dan
    
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832.1DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDEveryday I got the bluesFri Sep 09 1988 11:187
    Passivly you can't boost only cut. It could be done but in all
    probablilty you want a boost (I'm guessing) and it may even load
    down the pickup outputs giving you less volume, treble and mid.
    They come with a passive treble control....and it's mostly useless
    (IMO)
    
    dbii
832.2Varitones Aint That GreatAQUA::ROSTNow Sally is a happy girlFri Sep 09 1988 13:1717
    
    Re: Varitone
    
    The Varitone circuit did indeed use RC (maybe RLC) circuitry to
    provide passive tone variations.  I have such a circuit on my B.C.
    Rich and it works, but without the built-in preamp (volume only,
    no active tone) it would be useless as half of the settings give
    *extreme* gain loss due to cutting out so much signal.  It does
    however give a bunch of realy great tones, including some incredibly
    nasal ones (more useful for guitar I would think than my bass!!).
    
    Now that active tone setups are widely available the varitone is
    kind of obsolete.  Rich no longer uses it as far as I know; they
    started with them back around 1975 when stuff like EMG or Bartolini
    pickup/preamp setups were still a gleam in their designer's eyes.

    
832.3So I got a little problemWAV12::POWELLDFri Sep 09 1988 17:5612
Ok, so there doesn't appear to be a way to add reliable passive tone circuits.

So here's my problem.

I put Seymour Duncan Hot Stacks in my strat and wired them up to switch
between single coil and humbucking mode. In single coil mode they sounded
fine (ie, bright), but in humbucking mode they lost a lot of the high end and 
sounded muddy. Now I've wired them back to a standard 5 position selector 
with humbucking mode and still seem to lose a lot of highs. I need to regain 
the high end somehow. Any ideas?

Dan
832.4DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDEveryday I got the bluesFri Sep 09 1988 18:488
    Semour Duncan hot stacks sound muddy? They must have changed since
    I bought mine, in the humbucking mode they are quite bright, probably
    not as bright as they would be run single coil but I never had the
    slightest trouble getting an authentic single coil sound out of
    them. Perhaps you have your amp's tone controls set a bit on the
    muddy side to compensate for the 'single coil' mode...
    
    dbii
832.5FixedWAV12::POWELLDMon Sep 12 1988 13:423
    I found the problem. I use a master tone for all three pickups,
    and it was bad. Put a new one in, and voila, got my highs.
                                         
832.6Public Domain Varitone?AQUA::ROSTHum-dum-dinger from DingersvilleThu Dec 01 1988 13:427
    
    An addition at a late date:
    
    The Craig Anderton book "Electronic Projects for Musicians" has
    a schematic for a passive midrange notching control.  It only uses
    about four parts and would be easy enough for anybody who knows
    which end of a soldering iron to hold to build.
832.7I'll drop it here....SMURF::BENNETTBe Bay BeWed Aug 01 1990 15:0833
	I put a Fender TBX tone control in my guitar the other night.
	This is a control which gives the normal tone varaiation from
	1 - 5.5. At 5.5 there's a detent and from there up there's an
	incredible amount of `presence' - setting it at 10 yeilds a
	stratospheric high end.

	I'm curious how it works. Here's the old tone control:


			o  o  o <- 1m/250k ohm pot terminals
			|  |
			|  |
		.22 cap O  \-------- wire to 3-way switch (white)
			|
		     ground

	The new one has 2 pots mounted piggy-back with wiring:

	(white)--\
		  |
	   -NN--o o o  bottom pot
	  /      \
	  |     o o o  top pot
	  |     |
	  |     C
	  |     |
	  ground

	NN - resistor
	C - .22 cap.

	Any takers?