Conference govt02::basingstoke

	re .0

> Anyone have any comments or points I have left out?

	If they don't put the tip at the currently proposed location,
	where should they put it?

	Tony

The disposal site at Wade Road is in the industrial estate and thus does not
affect any residents. The proposed tip in Hatchwarren will be approximately
100-200 yards from a new development of houses. There are also plans for more
houses behind the tip.

Now either the council are completely stupid (wouldn't be a surprise) or the 
housing developers are out of their box building a tip in this location. Surely
it poses a health risk at the minimum being so close to a residential area.
Stick it out where it does nobody any harm but is still useful to the community
not right on someones front doorstep. Next to Junction six of the M3 is a large
expanse of land, next to the golf course. There are no houses near there and it 
would make a much better site both access wise (M3 and A30) and location wise
(no nearby residents).


Gary

    ...as far as a motorway service station is concerned, this must be a
    wind-up. It would be too close to the existing Fleet Services.
    Therefore, is the whole thing a wind-up? (My logic has always been
    inpeccable!)
    
    Mike

Unless the director of planning is into late April Fool jokes and has gone to
the expense of printing maps and sending letters with all the details on, then
this is no wind up. IT'S HAPPENING!


Gary

	I've known for a long time that the Basingstoke Council are 
	completely stupid, and the incomprehensible thinking of the
	planners is a complete amazement to me. I agree that no-one
	wants a rubbish tip on their doorstep, but the Hatch Warren
	site is so noticeably unsuitable I'm stunned that it was ever
	put on a short list.

	The site will be situated on the side of a hill. In fact this
	is the highest hill immediately	south west of Basingstoke.
	Therefore it is not beyond belief that the smells etc. will
	fan out over a much larger area than just Hatch Warren.

	With regard to the service station on the M3, this section
	already has slip roads, and there is a place for keeping
	cones and other 'works' equipment. Perhaps the map in question
	did not distinguish between; Works Service Area and Public
	Service Area. Just a thought.

		p1

At least I am not the only one who considers this to be the Grand-daddy of bad
ideas!

The map in question has the following words to describe the area for the service
station :-

'Land reserved for possible motorway service area'.


Yes, it sounds woolly but there is a possibility of the service area. To me it
does not sound like a place to store cones. Rather a place to stop, eat and
relieve your aching parts. From the plan I can't see whether there will be an
access road from the services into Hatchwarren but the way the planners are
going, nothing would surprise me.


Oh, as another aside, they are going to be closing Beggarwood Lane! Instead they
are opening the road on the new roundabout near it causing probably even more
traffic as this is a proper road rather than a single track road. Wonderful
people these planners. I would like to meet one to see if they really look as
dumb as they make out. Whey the hell don't they build a pub or something useful
like that?

Gary

	If you are seriously prepared to fight for this, then:

	Hire a local hall, and call a public meeting, inviting the people
	who are proposing the tip, the local county, district, and parish
	councils, school governers, and all the people who you think might be 
	affected. (and your local MP).

	Are there any local environmental groups?

	Do a leaflet drop.

	Write to the local papers.

	Propose a site visit is required, and ensure otherpeople who are also
	opposed turn up at the site visit.

	Turn up at council metings where this is being discussed.

	You may find you have an ally with one of the political views on the
	council - enlist there support.

	Traffic/infrasturucture is a good point to "hit".

	Are there trees on the site, get the woodland trust invoved.
	Is there wildlife - badgers or bats?
	Are there footpaths,
	Is it near any water which will flow into a river?
	
	Put forward some alternatives.

	Be prepared to forever fight something on the site.

	We have successfully had a proposal for a 40-lane cinema, 2,000 person
	nightclub, petrol station, motel, and 12 screen cinema rejected in
	Theale.
	I expect something to turn up later, whether ammended/warehousing/
	offices.....etc.......and I'm ready and waiting.	 

	
	Heather.

    Re -.1
    
    40-lane cinema.   mmmmm interesting!!

    re .8
    
    
    >>  We successfully stopped everything in Theale
    
    
    Geeesss and people complain about Basingstoke.
    
    Theale sounds like a happening sort of place. 
    
    
    Andy

  
  > Are there trees on the site, get the woodland trust invoved.
  > Is there wildlife - badgers or bats?                        
  
  I think they were all killed off when some genius put a housing estate
  there ...
  
  Gary, what was the date on the plan ? As others have mentioned, the slip
  roads on the motorway have been there for a while so I wouldn't be at all
  surprised if the dump + service area was slated for that area ages ago ...
  when it *was* out of town - ie., before Basingstoke sprawled it's way
  across to where you are now living - but the original plan was shelved
  due to lack of funds. Maybe someone's found a bit left over in the
  "Build something" budget and has gone through past ideas ... ?
  
  Frank
  
  [ who doesn't feel too sympathetic to NIMBYs because he lives a few
  minutes walk from the Wade Road dump :-) ]

There does not seem to be a date on the plan apart from a hint that the 
requirements for a tip were sited along with the Hatchwarren plans in the 
beginning (news to me) and that enquiries are going to be held in 1992 around
Springtime.


This also opens a new can of worms.


When I bought the house you pay a solicitor an extortionate amount of money to
perform a lnad search. What is the radius of this search? Should they inform
me of proposed developments or only the ones that are going ahead?

Concord Homes, the development that is across the road from the proposed site,
must be fuming. They have put up several good quality homes in the range of 
80-225,000 only to have a tip in their backgarden. Hardly a dez-rez!

Gary

Re: .12

> When I bought the house you pay a solicitor an extortionate amount of money to
> perform a lnad search. What is the radius of this search? Should they inform
> me of proposed developments or only the ones that are going ahead?

From what I know, the purpose of the land search is as follows:

	To reveal proposals which might involve compulsory purchase of
	part or all of the property (by far and away most important).

	To reveal planning permission that has been granted for development
	immediately adjoining the property.


A proposal to have a dump 1/4 mile away would very likely not be considered
to be relevant.

If you really believe that your solicitor was negligent in his/her duty to
you perhaps you should consider action against them.

jb