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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3298.0. "Reminder: Keep in touch via America Online" by NPSS::BRANAM (Steve, Network Product Support) Wed Aug 03 1994 12:41

Since we have had some large cuts this week, I wanted to remind those people
who will no longer be with us to keep in touch via America Online (or your
choice of online service). See note 3154. I am maintaining a mailing list
of AOL, Compuserve, Delphi, Internet, etc. addresses of current and former 
Digital employees. The primary purpose of this is so that we can help people 
find new and satisfying jobs, and keep in touch with our friends. There are
even some international Internet addresses on the list, so those of you
outside the US need not feel left out.

This is a tough time for a lot of people. Don't lose touch with the people
you have worked with. They can be your best resource for the future.

To get on the list, send me your non-Digital e-mail address at:

	SBranam (if you are on AOL)
	  or
	SBranam@aol.com (if you are otherwise connected to the Internet)

Don't have one? Get one! If you have a computer with a modem, you can join
one of the services and maintain a mail address for as little $120(US)/yr
(AOL @ $9.95/mo), plus enjoy the other benefits of the service.
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3298.1advice?TPSYS::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler * TAY1-2/H9 * 227-4472Wed Aug 03 1994 13:524
    In what note (or notesfile) can I find a discussion of the pro's and
    con's of various services (e.g. AOL vs. CompuServe)?
    
    	Jim
3298.2BHAJEE::JAERVINENOra, the Old Rural AmateurWed Aug 03 1994 14:187
    Try PLUGH::COMPUSERVE for information on CompuServe. If I remember
    correctly, there's some discussion about AOL too (some have accounts on
    boths systems).
    
    There might be something in the IBM PC notesfile too (NOTED::IBMPC-94).
    I don't think there's a specific one for AOL.
    
3298.3use the toolsDELNI::DISMUKEWed Aug 03 1994 14:187
    there is a notesfile for internet tools at SOFBAS::INTERNET_TOOLS and
    there is also UPSAR::GATEWAYS, not to mention a notesfile dedicated to
    COMPUSERVE (sorry, can't remember the name) - but
    TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES will surely help.
    
    -s
    
3298.4MV CommunicationsOFOS01::MICHAUDLisa MichaudWed Aug 03 1994 15:588
    Those in southern New Hampshire can use a local company called 
    MV Communications, Inc. in Litchfield.  Their rates are cheaper than
    several of the other companies.
    
    Send internet mail to info@mv.mv.com or call them at (603)429-2223.
    
    Lisa
    
3298.5PLUGH::NEEDLEMoney talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!"Wed Aug 03 1994 16:004
Feel free to pose these questions in COMPUSERVE, but please note that it is at
NOTED::COMPUSERVE now.  PLUGH's getting out of the notes business.

Jeff, COMPUSERVE moderator
3298.6Get connected, help an ex-DECcieNPSS::BRANAMSteve, Network Product SupportWed Aug 03 1994 16:4044
           <<< SOFBAS::NDISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]INTERNET_TOOLS.NOTE;1 >>>
                              -< Internet Tools >-
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Note 875.0                  Off to Surf the Internet!                    1 reply
GEOFF::SCHULTZ "Surfing the Internet"                38 lines  28-JUL-1994 22:08
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	I just wanted to say good-bye to all of the people who have been
	a part of my noting life for a long, long time.  I've learned a
	lot from these note files, and will very much miss the files and
	the people that make them up.

	Friday, July 29'th is my last day at the company.  I've been a DECie 
	for 13 years, and basically I've gotten tired of the constant 
	uncertainty and emotional drain that the company's situation has put 
	on everyone.  When I joined the company back in 1981, it was a lot 
	different.  Life was good, and everyone worked hard and didn't mind it.
	I want that again.  So I'm off to blaze my own trails.
	
	On Monday, August 1'st, the office of UltraNet Communications, Inc.
	will open in Marlboro.  UltraNet will offer high quality, high speed
	Internet access at *very* low cost.  We'll provide a plug-and-play
	PC & MAC solution which will include SLIP & PPP, Mosaic, Mail, FTP,
	and other goodies.  We'll provide dial-in access at 28.8 Kbps, ISDN
	access at 64-128 Kbps, 56 Kbps leased line, and frame relay connections.
	Additionally we're a WWW server, and will be aggressively pursuing
	local businesses to get them to advertise on the Internet.

	In case you're interested, this is running on DEC Alphas and OSF,
	and have over 14 GB of storage. Our initial link into the Internet 
	will be at 384 Kbps, with plans to move to T1 (1.544 Mbps) as demand 
	increases.  Initially we'll be offering service out of Marlboro, but 
	will be in Worcester and other communities very soon.  I didn't want 
	this to sound like a commercial, but I did want to let people know 
	I'm doing and what will be available.

	Anyhow, thanks for all of the wonderful advise that I've gleaned from
	this and other note files.  I only hope that I've been able to impart
	some useful knowledge.  Best of luck to everyone and feel free to 
	contact me at the addresses below.

					-- Geoff

					   schultz@dmc.com (until 8/5)
					   schultz@ultranet.com (after 8/5)
3298.7I recommend InternetGUCCI::HERBalherb@access.digex.netWed Aug 03 1994 16:584
    There's a lot of stuff to have "fun" with on Compuserve. You pay for
    everything though. In may case, I was running $67/month on CIS until I
    found a providor of Personal IP service up to 6 hrs/day at a rate of
    $35/month.
3298.8Pointer to other Internet service providersLEDS::GRAHAMWed Aug 03 1994 18:0910
    There are a ton of service providers besides Compuserve and AOL that'll
    give you not only Internet E-mail but ftp, telnet, gopher etc. service
    as well.
    
    There's an extensive Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL) that
    details many of these services that can be had by sending mail to Peter
    Kaminski at "kaminski@netcom.com" with "send PDIAL" (no quotes) in the
    Subject header.
    
    					John G.
3298.9AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a ClueWed Aug 03 1994 20:008
RE: .7

	MV.COM just lowered their SLIP dial-in price to $25/month for 
	25 hours, and I think $1.50 or $1.25/hour after that.

	Pretty bloody cheap!

							mike
3298.10I hate ftpWEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanThu Aug 04 1994 13:034
    The nice thing about Compuserve is that you don't have to put up with
    all the Unix-isms you get with most of the cheaper services. 
    
    --bonnie
3298.11You don't have to look at UNIXGUCCI::HERBalherb@access.digex.netFri Aug 05 1994 01:213
    Compuserve's CIM is a nice front end but the front ends for your PC
    (Mac in my case) are quite nice not to mention Mosaic if you set
    yourself up as an IP end node.
3298.12the point isn't the Unix, it's the hassleWEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanMon Aug 08 1994 13:1614
    re: .11
    
    >>> not to mention Mosaic if you set yourself up as an IP end node.
    
    I don't want to have to hassle with all this junk just do send email
    and do notes and download the occasional file.  Hacking around with
    networks and all that might be fun,  but there are only 24 hours in the
    day, there are other things I want to do with my life, and it's not
    directly or indirectly related to any of those things, either personal
    or work-related.  It's just something that has to be there in order to
    do the rest of the things I want to do.  I'll take the simplest, thank
    you. 
    
    --bonnie
3298.13KONING::koningPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Aug 08 1994 14:4318
Huh?

Run unix if you like, don't if you don't.  It's a popular misperception
that you need Unix to talk to the internet.  Fact is, you don't.

If you run VMS, get UCX.  Get your system manager to install it, that should
have been done long ago!  And it's about as easy as installing any simple
layered product, certainly far easier than installing DECnet.

Installing Mosaic takes a few minutes...

There may be an excuse still left for a FEW people not to be hooked to
the Internet, but there's far too much of that going on now, and that's
part of why we're hurting.  It's really distressing when a MARKETING
person says "oh yes, thanks for that referral, but I don't know how to
reply to that person because I don't know how to send mail to the internet..."

	paul
3298.14QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Aug 08 1994 15:164
You don't need even UCX to exchange mail with the Internet.  Type out the file
DECWRL::"GATEWAY.DOC" (the quotes are required) for information.

				Steve
3298.15um, not quite the pointWEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanMon Aug 08 1994 15:3127
    re: .13
    
    Paul, 
    
    Well, yes, but this discussion wasn't originally about in-Digital
    access to Internet, it was about outside access, which is a far
    different proposition.  Within Digital, there are many good options and
    no excuses. 
    
    The Unix that was originally referred to is the Unix that's running on
    most of the reasonably priced Internet-access services around here
    (northern New England).   I was explaining why I preferred to go with
    the somewhat higher priced Compuserve instead of using one of the
    cheaper services -- matters of time and convenience, which translate to
    money in a one-person operation.   My business system in my own home
    office  doesn't run VMS, it's DOS and Windows on a 486DX multimedia
    system.  The only system manager is me.  The software budget is not
    very big and it's a definite benefit that Compuserve gives me the
    time-saving interface basically for free (purchase price is credited to
    usage), and it runs on the system I've already got.  I don't know very
    much Unix yet, and it takes me a long time to do even simple things.  
    And that time I spend installing, learning, and maintaining software is
    time that doesn't go to revenue-generating work.  
    
    Is that clearer? 
    
    --bonnie
3298.16KONING::koningPaul Koning, B-16504Mon Aug 08 1994 21:138
Sure is; I misread what you meant.

There are some free or nearly free TCP/IP implementations out there for the
PC.  I've tried Trumpet; not having an IP connection I can't speak to its
networking aspects, but Mosaic was happy to run on top of it (in local mode
in my case...) and I believe a number of others have used it for real.

	paul
3298.17WEORG::SCHUTZMANBonnie Randall SchutzmanTue Aug 09 1994 13:2511
    Thanks for the pointer to Trumpet.  Sounds interesting. 
    
    Since I'm in the process of learing Unix (OSF, anyway), the timesink
    probably won't be a factor for very much longer.  I'll probably
    continue to maintain my Compuserve account just for the professional
    contacts -- the people in the Cserve forums tend to be a bit more
    rational and a bit less prone to flaming than the wide-open discussion
    groups.  I don't know whether that's good or bad, but it's  different
    enough to be worth keeping.  For me, anyway -- your mileage may vary...
    
    --bonnie
3298.18TOOK::MORRISONBob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570Tue Aug 09 1994 21:349
> choice of online service). See note 3154. I am maintaining a mailing list
> of AOL, Compuserve, Delphi, Internet, etc. addresses of current and former 
> Digital employees.

  Do you plan to make this list available to people who are still in Digital?
If so, how?
  This sounds like a great idea. Most people who leave the company don't get
their own internet address until later, and usually don't get around to sending
mail to all their Digital friends with the address when they do get it.
3298.19DEMOAX::GINGERRon GingerWed Aug 10 1994 23:574
    There is an "Internet White Pages" book for sale in many bookstores,
    with thousands of names and addresses. Id guess such books will become
    quite popular.
    
3298.20ho humKLAP::porterbeware of geeks bearing GIFsThu Aug 11 1994 15:185
You need to buy paper to find your way around in netspace?
Sad comment on the state of software, ain't it?

(Why can't I ask "the network" to find someone?)

3298.21NPSS::BRANAMSteve, Network Product SupportThu Aug 11 1994 16:108
Until the World Data Net becomes a reality, there is no centralized
network mail address repository, so there is nobody who knows it all 
to ask. Cyberspace is growing rather organically, and it will
eventually all congeal a little more firmly.

I will put the list in a public place and post a pointer. It is still
pretty short, but I imagine it will be growing. I haven't logged into
AOL for a while to check my mail.
3298.22QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Aug 11 1994 16:125
Actually, there are a few network "people lookup" servers around - I don't
know offhand where they are.  As X.500 (I think?  or is it X.400?) becomes
more popular, this will become much easier.

					Steve