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3298.1 | advice? | TPSYS::LAING | Soft-Core Cuddler * TAY1-2/H9 * 227-4472 | Wed Aug 03 1994 13:52 | 4 |
| In what note (or notesfile) can I find a discussion of the pro's and
con's of various services (e.g. AOL vs. CompuServe)?
Jim
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3298.2 | | BHAJEE::JAERVINEN | Ora, the Old Rural Amateur | Wed Aug 03 1994 14:18 | 7 |
| Try PLUGH::COMPUSERVE for information on CompuServe. If I remember
correctly, there's some discussion about AOL too (some have accounts on
boths systems).
There might be something in the IBM PC notesfile too (NOTED::IBMPC-94).
I don't think there's a specific one for AOL.
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3298.3 | use the tools | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Wed Aug 03 1994 14:18 | 7 |
| there is a notesfile for internet tools at SOFBAS::INTERNET_TOOLS and
there is also UPSAR::GATEWAYS, not to mention a notesfile dedicated to
COMPUSERVE (sorry, can't remember the name) - but
TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES will surely help.
-s
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3298.4 | MV Communications | OFOS01::MICHAUD | Lisa Michaud | Wed Aug 03 1994 15:58 | 8 |
| Those in southern New Hampshire can use a local company called
MV Communications, Inc. in Litchfield. Their rates are cheaper than
several of the other companies.
Send internet mail to info@mv.mv.com or call them at (603)429-2223.
Lisa
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3298.5 | | PLUGH::NEEDLE | Money talks. Mine says "Good-Bye!" | Wed Aug 03 1994 16:00 | 4 |
| Feel free to pose these questions in COMPUSERVE, but please note that it is at
NOTED::COMPUSERVE now. PLUGH's getting out of the notes business.
Jeff, COMPUSERVE moderator
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3298.6 | Get connected, help an ex-DECcie | NPSS::BRANAM | Steve, Network Product Support | Wed Aug 03 1994 16:40 | 44 |
| <<< SOFBAS::NDISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]INTERNET_TOOLS.NOTE;1 >>>
-< Internet Tools >-
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Note 875.0 Off to Surf the Internet! 1 reply
GEOFF::SCHULTZ "Surfing the Internet" 38 lines 28-JUL-1994 22:08
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I just wanted to say good-bye to all of the people who have been
a part of my noting life for a long, long time. I've learned a
lot from these note files, and will very much miss the files and
the people that make them up.
Friday, July 29'th is my last day at the company. I've been a DECie
for 13 years, and basically I've gotten tired of the constant
uncertainty and emotional drain that the company's situation has put
on everyone. When I joined the company back in 1981, it was a lot
different. Life was good, and everyone worked hard and didn't mind it.
I want that again. So I'm off to blaze my own trails.
On Monday, August 1'st, the office of UltraNet Communications, Inc.
will open in Marlboro. UltraNet will offer high quality, high speed
Internet access at *very* low cost. We'll provide a plug-and-play
PC & MAC solution which will include SLIP & PPP, Mosaic, Mail, FTP,
and other goodies. We'll provide dial-in access at 28.8 Kbps, ISDN
access at 64-128 Kbps, 56 Kbps leased line, and frame relay connections.
Additionally we're a WWW server, and will be aggressively pursuing
local businesses to get them to advertise on the Internet.
In case you're interested, this is running on DEC Alphas and OSF,
and have over 14 GB of storage. Our initial link into the Internet
will be at 384 Kbps, with plans to move to T1 (1.544 Mbps) as demand
increases. Initially we'll be offering service out of Marlboro, but
will be in Worcester and other communities very soon. I didn't want
this to sound like a commercial, but I did want to let people know
I'm doing and what will be available.
Anyhow, thanks for all of the wonderful advise that I've gleaned from
this and other note files. I only hope that I've been able to impart
some useful knowledge. Best of luck to everyone and feel free to
contact me at the addresses below.
-- Geoff
schultz@dmc.com (until 8/5)
schultz@ultranet.com (after 8/5)
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3298.7 | I recommend Internet | GUCCI::HERB | alherb@access.digex.net | Wed Aug 03 1994 16:58 | 4 |
| There's a lot of stuff to have "fun" with on Compuserve. You pay for
everything though. In may case, I was running $67/month on CIS until I
found a providor of Personal IP service up to 6 hrs/day at a rate of
$35/month.
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3298.8 | Pointer to other Internet service providers | LEDS::GRAHAM | | Wed Aug 03 1994 18:09 | 10 |
| There are a ton of service providers besides Compuserve and AOL that'll
give you not only Internet E-mail but ftp, telnet, gopher etc. service
as well.
There's an extensive Public Dialup Internet Access List (PDIAL) that
details many of these services that can be had by sending mail to Peter
Kaminski at "kaminski@netcom.com" with "send PDIAL" (no quotes) in the
Subject header.
John G.
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3298.9 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Wed Aug 03 1994 20:00 | 8 |
| RE: .7
MV.COM just lowered their SLIP dial-in price to $25/month for
25 hours, and I think $1.50 or $1.25/hour after that.
Pretty bloody cheap!
mike
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3298.10 | I hate ftp | WEORG::SCHUTZMAN | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Thu Aug 04 1994 13:03 | 4 |
| The nice thing about Compuserve is that you don't have to put up with
all the Unix-isms you get with most of the cheaper services.
--bonnie
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3298.11 | You don't have to look at UNIX | GUCCI::HERB | alherb@access.digex.net | Fri Aug 05 1994 01:21 | 3 |
| Compuserve's CIM is a nice front end but the front ends for your PC
(Mac in my case) are quite nice not to mention Mosaic if you set
yourself up as an IP end node.
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3298.12 | the point isn't the Unix, it's the hassle | WEORG::SCHUTZMAN | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Aug 08 1994 13:16 | 14 |
| re: .11
>>> not to mention Mosaic if you set yourself up as an IP end node.
I don't want to have to hassle with all this junk just do send email
and do notes and download the occasional file. Hacking around with
networks and all that might be fun, but there are only 24 hours in the
day, there are other things I want to do with my life, and it's not
directly or indirectly related to any of those things, either personal
or work-related. It's just something that has to be there in order to
do the rest of the things I want to do. I'll take the simplest, thank
you.
--bonnie
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3298.13 | | KONING::koning | Paul Koning, B-16504 | Mon Aug 08 1994 14:43 | 18 |
| Huh?
Run unix if you like, don't if you don't. It's a popular misperception
that you need Unix to talk to the internet. Fact is, you don't.
If you run VMS, get UCX. Get your system manager to install it, that should
have been done long ago! And it's about as easy as installing any simple
layered product, certainly far easier than installing DECnet.
Installing Mosaic takes a few minutes...
There may be an excuse still left for a FEW people not to be hooked to
the Internet, but there's far too much of that going on now, and that's
part of why we're hurting. It's really distressing when a MARKETING
person says "oh yes, thanks for that referral, but I don't know how to
reply to that person because I don't know how to send mail to the internet..."
paul
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3298.14 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Mon Aug 08 1994 15:16 | 4 |
| You don't need even UCX to exchange mail with the Internet. Type out the file
DECWRL::"GATEWAY.DOC" (the quotes are required) for information.
Steve
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3298.15 | um, not quite the point | WEORG::SCHUTZMAN | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Aug 08 1994 15:31 | 27 |
| re: .13
Paul,
Well, yes, but this discussion wasn't originally about in-Digital
access to Internet, it was about outside access, which is a far
different proposition. Within Digital, there are many good options and
no excuses.
The Unix that was originally referred to is the Unix that's running on
most of the reasonably priced Internet-access services around here
(northern New England). I was explaining why I preferred to go with
the somewhat higher priced Compuserve instead of using one of the
cheaper services -- matters of time and convenience, which translate to
money in a one-person operation. My business system in my own home
office doesn't run VMS, it's DOS and Windows on a 486DX multimedia
system. The only system manager is me. The software budget is not
very big and it's a definite benefit that Compuserve gives me the
time-saving interface basically for free (purchase price is credited to
usage), and it runs on the system I've already got. I don't know very
much Unix yet, and it takes me a long time to do even simple things.
And that time I spend installing, learning, and maintaining software is
time that doesn't go to revenue-generating work.
Is that clearer?
--bonnie
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3298.16 | | KONING::koning | Paul Koning, B-16504 | Mon Aug 08 1994 21:13 | 8 |
| Sure is; I misread what you meant.
There are some free or nearly free TCP/IP implementations out there for the
PC. I've tried Trumpet; not having an IP connection I can't speak to its
networking aspects, but Mosaic was happy to run on top of it (in local mode
in my case...) and I believe a number of others have used it for real.
paul
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3298.17 | | WEORG::SCHUTZMAN | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Tue Aug 09 1994 13:25 | 11 |
| Thanks for the pointer to Trumpet. Sounds interesting.
Since I'm in the process of learing Unix (OSF, anyway), the timesink
probably won't be a factor for very much longer. I'll probably
continue to maintain my Compuserve account just for the professional
contacts -- the people in the Cserve forums tend to be a bit more
rational and a bit less prone to flaming than the wide-open discussion
groups. I don't know whether that's good or bad, but it's different
enough to be worth keeping. For me, anyway -- your mileage may vary...
--bonnie
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3298.18 | | TOOK::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Tue Aug 09 1994 21:34 | 9 |
| > choice of online service). See note 3154. I am maintaining a mailing list
> of AOL, Compuserve, Delphi, Internet, etc. addresses of current and former
> Digital employees.
Do you plan to make this list available to people who are still in Digital?
If so, how?
This sounds like a great idea. Most people who leave the company don't get
their own internet address until later, and usually don't get around to sending
mail to all their Digital friends with the address when they do get it.
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3298.19 | | DEMOAX::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Wed Aug 10 1994 23:57 | 4 |
| There is an "Internet White Pages" book for sale in many bookstores,
with thousands of names and addresses. Id guess such books will become
quite popular.
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3298.20 | ho hum | KLAP::porter | beware of geeks bearing GIFs | Thu Aug 11 1994 15:18 | 5 |
| You need to buy paper to find your way around in netspace?
Sad comment on the state of software, ain't it?
(Why can't I ask "the network" to find someone?)
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3298.21 | | NPSS::BRANAM | Steve, Network Product Support | Thu Aug 11 1994 16:10 | 8 |
| Until the World Data Net becomes a reality, there is no centralized
network mail address repository, so there is nobody who knows it all
to ask. Cyberspace is growing rather organically, and it will
eventually all congeal a little more firmly.
I will put the list in a public place and post a pointer. It is still
pretty short, but I imagine it will be growing. I haven't logged into
AOL for a while to check my mail.
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3298.22 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Aug 11 1994 16:12 | 5 |
| Actually, there are a few network "people lookup" servers around - I don't
know offhand where they are. As X.500 (I think? or is it X.400?) becomes
more popular, this will become much easier.
Steve
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