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2495.1 | | GSFSYS::MACDONALD | | Mon May 17 1993 14:42 | 11 |
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Re: .0
We tried retail stores in the middle 80's and they bombed. There
may have been many reasons for that which we could fix and make them
successful and, then again, we may have no idea why they bombed and
repeat all the mistakes.
fwiw,
Steve
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2495.2 | | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Mon May 17 1993 14:53 | 3 |
| Is this anything like Tandys (???) Incredible Universe?
Bob
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2495.3 | One reason for their demise | FASDER::HHOLMES | | Mon May 17 1993 14:57 | 5 |
| One of the reasons that the stores of the 80's bombed is that we had no
products to sell through them. The only successful product of that
time was the WPS 278 series. The Professional Series and the Rainbow
were utter failures in the Marketplace. Now that we have industry
standard products to sell, things may be different.
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2495.4 | not aimed at occident or our product mix | CARAFE::GOLDSTEIN | Global Village Idiot | Mon May 17 1993 15:05 | 14 |
| Ths belongs in MARKETING, not DIGITAL, but so long as you asked,
Yes, we probably should open one or two. Tokyo and Osaka and Yokohama.
And if it catches on, maybe into the other prefectures.
But it is almost certain to fail in the States. Japanese retailing is
noted for service, not for price competitiveness. They don't have the
cutthroat price competition we do. The typical American buyer will go
to a high-price full service store to play with things, then select,
and buy it from the low-price vendor (local or mail order).
Since Digital lacks the low-price distribution options, our product
sales will never close. Since buyers in America are allergic to paying
retail (well, many of us are!), we won't buy much from the museums.
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2495.5 | More than you wanted to know | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Mon May 17 1993 15:32 | 15 |
| Wow. My take on .0 was entirely different. I thought the Digital
analog here was the "ACT" or "Application Center for Technology" not
the retail stores.
ACTS: A place where products, solutions, and experts were co-located
and a customer could touch and feel them.
Whatever happenned to the ACT's? Well, once the central funding was
cut and local sales managers had discretion to fund them or not, the
scenario fell apart. There is a US Demo Center program that replaced
the ACT's about which I know little.
The lack of good demo centers (products, solutions, and experts)
creates the pressure to do DECWORLD so that people can get their
hands-on the technology.
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2495.6 | | ECADSR::SHERMAN | Steve ECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326 MLO5-2/26a | Mon May 17 1993 15:55 | 34 |
| The funny thing about "megastores" is that they WORK in the States.
They shouldn't, but they do because they address a definite need.
I apologize if I should have posted this in MARKETING and not here.
Somehow, I felt it was appropriate here because of the discussions
that have been had here about our products, company directions,
compensation, training and so forth. But, I could start a similar note
in MARKETING if y'all feel it would be better there.
I agree with the assertions that maybe now is the time and with respect
to the lessons we learned with Rainbow.
There may be a difference between a megastore and an ACT. That is, a
megastore is stocked with "consultants" rather than salespersons. The
difference is that consultants are salaried rather than on commission.
(Though, I suppose during the time of the ACT the salespersons were on
salary and not commission. Correct me if I'm wrong.) And, consultants
are carefully trained about all the products so that they can answer just
about any question a customer might have. Culturally, that might not be
so difficult to do for Digital. The problem with going for commissions
is that a commission program can lead to pushy salespersons that are less
concerned about informing the customer about all products and solving the
customer's problems. Instead, they tend to become informed mostly
about the things that will get higher commissions and not necessarily
as informed about the things of general interest to a customer. Sony
and Nike are proving that this is a value for which customers are
willing to pay full price.
As a tangent, Saturn is discovering that sales go well for cars if they
can get customers into a relaxed environment without pushy
salespersons. I suppose Sony and Nike are taking advantage of this
concept as well.
Steve
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2495.7 | ACTs and Consultants | MILPND::EARLY_S | Challenge every rule except this one. | Mon May 17 1993 16:26 | 37 |
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> There may be a difference between a megastore and an ACT. That is, a
> megastore is stocked with "consultants" rather than salespersons. The
> difference is that consultants are salaried rather than on commission.
> (Though, I suppose during the time of the ACT the salespersons were on
> salary and not commission. Correct me if I'm wrong.) And, consultants
> are carefully trained about all the products so that they can answer just
> about any question a customer might have. Culturally, that might not be
> so difficult to do for Digital.
ACTs _were_ stocked with consultants ... on salary. Sales people would
accompany their customers to the ACT and were also on salary. I suspect
what differs between a megastore and an ACT would be the nature of the
consulting. Megastores would undoubtedly be highly focused on selling
the individual products of the firm that employs them.
ACT Consultants did quite a bit of product consulting, but played a
larger role in helping customers rationalize entire solutions to larger
business issues. These consultants needed to have both product and
industry expertise to help sales teams come up with overall
recommendations which would require a lot of third party pieces,
up-front consulting and, in some cases, delivery assistance. As a
specific example, we got involved in shop floor control and MRP
projects all the time which required lots of product stuff that Digital
didn't sell.
ACT Consultants strove to understand quite a bit about the customer's
current process for doing something and used their own
experience/expertise in that area to make recommendations on how to
improve the process. The recommendation might include hardware,
and software, but not always ... sometimes it was a recommendation for
a consulting service.
I suspect such consulting is not what a Megastore is all about.
/se
Former ACT Manager
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2495.8 | | ECADSR::SHERMAN | Steve ECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326 MLO5-2/26a | Mon May 17 1993 16:35 | 41 |
| The following is a memo that is posted here by permission of the author.
I felt it would add value to the discussion.
Steve
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I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Folder: OUTBOX Date: 17-May-1993 12:04pm EDT
Doc No.: 041736 From: Paul Brock
Printed: 17-May-1993 12:15pm BROCK.PAUL
Dept: CPG/SCS Field Development
Tel No: 264-5306
TO: Remote Addressee ( _ecadsr::sherman )
Subject: Megastores
One could argue that Digital opens a megastore about once every year
or two, staffs it with salaried personnel, and keeps it open for about
3-4 weeks. Potential customers can come see just about every piece of
hardware and all of the important applications. It's called DECWorld.
I do not believe that a Digital megastore built after the Sony model
would work because the class of product, and kind of purchase, is very
different. A vcr is a vcr. A TV is a TV. Etc. The megastore model is
aimed at a purchaser who wants to see all of a vendors offerings under
one roof. And, because the offerings are relatively straightforward,
there is not a need for lots of staff to explain the products.
Computers and related stuff are very different. While there is a class
of purchaser who is buying 'iron' and would like to compare a high end
PC to a low end workstation, to a greater degree our customers need to
see applications on these systems. And there are almost as many
applications as there are CSO's. To meet what the customers would want
would almost literally require keeping a DECWorld like event open year
round, staffed by large numbers of people very knowledgeable in all of
the applications. While a permanent DW HAS been proposed, I believe it
is beyond our budget.
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2495.9 | | GSFSYS::MACDONALD | | Mon May 17 1993 19:31 | 20 |
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Re: .7
From my understanding the ACTs were the closest equivalent Digital
has had to the megastore idea.
Re: .8
> a vcr is a vcr etc.
When was the last time you shopped for a home entertainment item like
a vcr? My wife and I bought a set of components for a stereo system
this past winter. The choices were mind boggling. It used to be
true that you bought a stereo and that was the end of it and then you
ensured that you didn't underbuy and end up with next month's obsolete
model. Now you need advice so that you don't underbuy OR overbuy.
fwiw,
Steve
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2495.11 | "It does'nt take a weatherman to know...." | GLDOA::MORRISON | Dave | Tue May 18 1993 05:23 | 6 |
| This topic again points up the the need for Digital to wake up to
marketing and consciousness-raising "Imagine the possibilities"? We
have taken on "branding" but if we are going to create an identity,
we'd better start "flying by the seat of the pants", getting a gut
feel, on a mass basis - at least in the Marketing departments, or we're
"relieving ourselves windward"
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2495.12 | Let's clear this up | SUBWAY::WALKER | | Tue May 18 1993 14:01 | 15 |
| I think that there is some confusion here that can be cleared up by
remembering that Digital has more than one strategy. That is, we sell
commodity systems (PCs, workstations, storgae devices, etc.) and we
also sell integrated systems. It seems that the Megastores are
oriented to commodity items, whereas the ACTs were/are oriented toward
integrated systems in a specific industry. People walk off the street
to examine commodity items, but not to examine, for example, a retail
banking system.
By the way, I think our ACTs failed, in general, because they never
bridged the gap between the concept of what our systems could do and
the hard work reality of what it takes to deliver on a concept. There
was little synergy between the highly paid industry consultants and the
field level delivery consultants and engineers. You could see this
from day one, but, with few exceptions, it never changed.
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2495.13 | compuadd superstores bombed big time | GRANPA::TTAYLOR | undercover angel | Tue May 18 1993 20:44 | 7 |
| We had a compuadd store in a very popular (and quite packed) strip
mall down the street from our house that lasted about 6 months, and
bombed completely. There is too much competitiion and the store was
deserted most of the time. I can't see DEC having "superstores" if
compuadd bombed with their superstores.
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2495.14 | | PAKORA::BHARRIS | | Tue May 18 1993 21:16 | 12 |
| I thought I read that all Compuadd stores where closing and they were
going to do mail order only. Also the few Compuadd stores that I have
seen where not like the CompUSA and Computer city superstores that are
doing well. These superstores are the size of the average strip mall.
While I'm not sure that a Digital superstore would do well, I think
getting Digital products into retail stores would help. Lechmere is
now selling many of the Digital printers.
-Bruce
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2495.15 | | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Tue May 18 1993 21:31 | 2 |
| Are you perhaps confusing CompUSA (computer megastore) with Compuadd
(mail order)?
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2495.16 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Wed May 19 1993 14:20 | 5 |
| I think people are confusing computer superstores that sell lots of brands
with the base note's megastores that showcase one brand of merchandise.
I doubt that the typical home-computer buyer has enough brand-name
awareness to want to go to a store that sells only Digital computers
and peripherals.
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