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954.1 | The MP's are coming. | WMOIS::D_MONTGOMERY | | Wed Oct 11 1989 11:20 | 9 |
| Excellent piece of writing.
Some of it hit home; some didn't; some I didn't understand.
Either way, I'm sure the "MP's" will be setting it hidden or deleting
it very soon, since there was neither explicit permission nor an
author's name -- thereby proving one of the points made in the "essay".
-Monty-
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954.2 | What does M stand for in "MP"? | SERPNT::SONTAKKE | Vikas Sontakke | Wed Oct 11 1989 12:08 | 8 |
| > Either way, I'm sure the "MP's" will be setting it hidden or deleting
> it very soon, since there was neither explicit permission nor an
> author's name -- thereby proving one of the points made in the "essay".
By writing the above paragraph, you might have succeeded in "trick the
MP's" game.
- Vikas
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954.3 | Priceless!!!!! | YUPPIE::COLE | If this is a dream, please feel free to wake me! | Wed Oct 11 1989 13:03 | 10 |
| Someone has to find the source for this so we can send them a big
"thank-you" card. I am for sure going to extract it ASAP!
As for you poor souls who were never in the uniformed services, the
situation described is of a US Navy vessel, and the "MPs" are, depending on your
mood at the time, "Miltary Police", or "Marine P---ks", since Marines do that
bit of dirty work for the Navy. I have some trouble relating that particular
element to DEC, but the rest is right-on!
Best entry in here in a while!
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954.4 | adrift | WLDWST::KING | INVEST IN YOURSELF | Wed Oct 11 1989 14:02 | 10 |
| I think the captain(s) of our little ship (life raft?) must be
fighting on the bridge. Our course keeps changing and we are thrown
violently about the ship with sparks flying on a regular basis. Also,
very little information comes through to the ships workers, almost
like we're underwater.
Wait, I think I got it! We are starring in a remake of "Voyage to the
Bottom of the Sea".
-psk
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954.5 | captaincy by committee??? | DIXIE2::SILVERS | Gun Control: Hitting what you aim for | Wed Oct 11 1989 15:43 | 1 |
| CAPTAIN(S)?? never heard of a ship run by a committee...
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954.6 | what if man overboard | HPSCAD::HENDERSON | I am that man | Wed Oct 11 1989 20:35 | 5 |
| I wonder if the ship would be more likely to change course if one
of the better known MPs happened to fall overboard ( or got pushed
maybe ) in particularly heavy seas.
Steve
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954.7 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Oct 12 1989 00:17 | 3 |
| Perhaps MP is referring to Member of Parliament? (Or perhaps not...)
Steve
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954.8 | Whoa - you may have misunderstood me... | WMOIS::D_MONTGOMERY | | Thu Oct 12 1989 00:47 | 38 |
| :
:> Either way, I'm sure the "MP's" will be setting it hidden or deleting
:> it very soon, since there was neither explicit permission nor an
:> author's name -- thereby proving one of the points made in the "essay".
:
: By writing the above paragraph, you might have succeeded in "trick the
: MP's" game.
:
: - Vikas
I don't want to play "trick the MP's".
I was merely inferring the metaphor of "MP" [Military Police] to represent
any party who might control or enforce. This may include
Personnel people who write, interpret, and enforce policy; or security
guards; or moderators who must also interpret and enforce policy.
In this case, it seemed clear to me that the note would certainly be
removed due to its lack of author ID, and lack of explicit permission for
posting here. In no way did I mean to imply anything negative about
our moderators. My short, broad statement was only intended to provoke
thought about the role of "MP's" on our "ship" -- particularly in light
of the recent update to the policy on Notes and Electronic
Communication. MP's are necessary. No doubt about it. Digital's
"MP's" [Personnel, management, Notes moderators, security guards,
etc.] do an _excellent_ job of keeping this company one of the finest
places to work. [Top 10 in a recent "Industry Week" poll]
If the moderators of this conference agree that .0 is appropriate and
doesn't violate the new policy, I'm glad to see it remain. And if the
policy-writers don't think it's a violation, that's even bette The new
policy may not be as difficult as many people originally interpreted it
to be.
At any rate, please don't take my comments of .1 as being a slam
against our moderators. Their job is difficult enough, and they do a
good job walking a thin line.
-Monty-
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954.9 | Joke's on you! | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Oct 12 1989 02:24 | 5 |
| Re: .8
Naw, we decided to trick you instead and let it stay. Hahahahaha!
Steve
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954.10 | 2 cents | REGENT::LEVINE | THIS week is NEXT week's LAST week. | Thu Oct 12 1989 15:47 | 7 |
| speaking as a reader of this conference: I found this note to be
funny, incisive, and darn close to a lot of things Ive felt for
a while now. I love it!!
speaking as a moderator: ditto!
Rick L
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954.11 | Actuall MP = Mental Police. | ULTRA::GONDA | DECelite: Pursuit of Knowledge, Wisdom, and Happiness. | Thu Oct 12 1989 18:44 | 1 |
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954.12 | reverse analogy | MPO::GILBERT | The Wild Rover - Portfolio Mgmt Services | Fri Oct 13 1989 16:50 | 6 |
| RE: .6(i think)
Maybe if WE turned the ship sharply enough some of the officers,
ensigns, and MPs would fall overboard!!!!
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954.13 | Wanted more updates on the ship | AZTECH::KANNAN | | Fri Oct 13 1989 20:39 | 12 |
| On the ship I know, the captain used to have a couple of sub-captains.
These days the captain is convinced that a wooden hull made out of a
material called "xinu" is much better than the hull he has which is
made out of "smv". For a long time the captain was convinced that
ships needed only one hull. Now he has changed his mind about the
number of hulls. Now he wants two hulls. How would he make both them
fit?...Meanwhile he discovered that the ship wasn't moving forward
as fast as it used to be. So one of his sub-captains had to walk the
plank....:-) :-)
Nari
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954.14 | Too many Sub-Captains | STAR::MFOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Sat Oct 14 1989 00:57 | 7 |
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And then all the sailors started wondering why there were so
many Senior-Sub-Captains and Sub-Captains and then started
wondering "Hmmmm, maybe I can be a Sub-Captain too"
mike
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954.15 | A little nit | KYOA::MIANO | I see the N end of a S bound horse | Sat Oct 14 1989 02:14 | 5 |
| As a former soldier who was a menace with hand grenades I should
point out that the Squids and Queen Corps have SPs (Shore Patrol)
while the military (i.e. the Army) has MPs.
John
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954.16 | Rough Seas ahead | SNOC02::KAY | Bruce @ Canberra, Oz | Sat Oct 14 1989 04:34 | 84 |
| re .13 Further update on the ship
The Captain has now fashioned the ship into a Catamaran. Many of the
Sub-Captains, and Officers approve of this because they hold to a
belief that catamarans are actually the fastest ships afloat. The MP's
are very enthusiastic. They keep shouting at us that after the next
change in direction we'll not only re-gain all our old speed, we'll be
sailing faster than ever.
It has caused a bit of a culture shock below decks though. Many of the
sailors are clinging to the hull made out of "smv". Some of the really
old salts are actually refusing to serve aboard the hull made of
"xinu". They don't like all the new sea skills required to keep her
steady afloat.
The Captain and the officers are having troubles finding enough shipmates
to serve aboard the "xinu" hull. Each time we stop into a port, the
Officers try to hire on a few new sailors experienced serving aboard
"xinu" vessels.
There are problems with this. The Captain and Senior Sub-Captains have
invoked a hiring freeze, because they recognize that the ship will list
badly if there are many more sailors and cargo aboard the "smv" hull. Also
morale aboard the "xinu" hull is at a low ebb. Some of the new chums
actually feel ostracized and intimidated by many of the old hands from
the "smv" hull.
The gap between the 2 hulls is a wide one indeed, and apart from the
bridge itself there is very little infrastructure to join the twin
hulls together. Many of the sailors are frightened about the sea
worthiness of the vessel. They are scared the new "xinu" hull is too
"RISCy".
But the Captain and the Senior Sub-Captains have to keep a weather eye
out for the markets where take our cargo. They realize that
fashion has changed in the marketplaces. Some of our infuential
customers are actually insisting on cargo delivered by "xinu" hulled
vessels. This may be short-sighted on the part of these customers, however
we must acknowledge that they are subsidising the voyage.
Some of the long serving officers are also grumbling about some of the
new-fangled cargo. Things used to be easy when the cargo used to be tin
and wire. Now some of the Sub-Captains are insisting we carry a new sort
of "integrated" cargo and a whole array of new "soft" goods, much more
difficult to stow aboard.
The Captain has endorsed a plan by some of the senior officers to solve
the problems of the instability of the ship. The plan is to built a
platform between the "xinu" and the "smv" hulls constructed of a highly
resilient new material they call "AIA". The platform will be called
"SAN". So far the building of the "SAN" platform is only partially
complete. Some of the components like the "ASCP" connection just won't
seem to plug in correctly. The sailors aboard the original "smv" hull
are loosing heart. At first they got excited about actually having
windows so that they could have many views. But when they looked out
the windows they could see the "new wave" coming. Sure they got to use
their own "toolkit" but they didn't feel comfortable with the inteface
that was designed aboard another sleek vessel now almost completely
constructed of "xinu" called the "HP".
However the Sub-Captains who are wanting to carry the soft goods and
the new-style integrated cargo are sure the "SAN" platform is the
"right thing". In fact they are already bringing on board passengers to
carry aboard the cabins that form part of the "SAN" platform. So far
these first few passengers are non-paying. They come from various
strange ethnic groups called "consultants".
One day though the Sub-Captains keep assuring the sailors we will all
have a happy ship. They even look forward to the day when our main form
of cargo will actually be paying passengers. Our marketplace will be
amongst "people", they say. We will be able to sail to many exotic and
romantic ports.
Some of the old-salts are grumbling about the prospects of having to serve
these "people". They used to enjoy serving in the engine room.
The Captain has unfolded a grand plan to retrain these ships engineers
to be ships pursars and the like, dealing directly with the "people".
For the old-salts, somehow the romance of the sea seems to have faded
into the sunset. Even though it is unfair, they blame the new sailors
from aboard the "xinu" hull.
Our wily old Captain still has a job ahead of him to keep the ship's
morale afloat.
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954.17 | | SSDEVO::EGGERS | Anybody can fly with an engine. | Sun Oct 15 1989 18:16 | 2 |
| Anybody notice that it is far harder to change directions with a
catamaran than with a mono-hull?
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954.18 | Comes down with a splash | WFOV11::ABERT | Verbal discourse is inexpensive | Mon Oct 16 1989 04:09 | 8 |
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<RE -.1>
Yes, it is more difficult - and one hull usually comes out of
the water in the process, which may throw those overboard whom
are not prepared for the change in course!
Carl
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954.19 | I hate catamarans | CASEE::LACROIX | Object oriented dog food? No, sorry | Mon Oct 16 1989 07:35 | 7 |
| The last time I was a crew member on a catamaran, the captain made a
slight mistake, and the catamaran capsized. We all got a chance to
exercise our swimming skills, but nobody drowned; the group split in two
afterwards: those who would sail again on a catamaran, and those who
wouldn't. Our wise captain decided t'was time to retire.
Denis.
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954.20 | | MOVIES::LESLIE | Edmund Blackadder | Mon Oct 16 1989 08:02 | 1 |
| Of course it's really a trimaran, but never mind....
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954.21 | | STAR::MFOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Mon Oct 16 1989 22:52 | 9 |
| RE: .20
Yea, the Captain filed a QAR and had an FCO done to the catamaran
to bring it up to Trimaran specs.. Of course, this took forever and
a day to find out HOW to do this due to the fact he was calling the
xxxMaran Co. asking for the engineer/designer because the salesman he
bought the boat from didn't have the info on how to upgrade. Matter
of fact, he didn't know there was an upgrade and tried to sell him
a new boat..
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954.22 | Another Hull | UNXA::HASLOCK | Nigel Haslock @ Manalapan,NJ | Wed Oct 18 1989 20:38 | 23 |
| Meanwhile, at the end of a rope:-
A bunch of prospective passengers got together to invent this 'xinu'
hull design. They were a bunch of tinkerers and sold the design
to other folk who built all kinds of modified hulls in all shapes
and sizes (the main xinu hull is one of these second generation
jobs). Not so long ago, the original tinkerers got tired of their
hull and offered it to my petty officer for a few pennies. He leapt
at the chance of a boat of his own.
Over the years he has built up a crew for his hull and refurbished
it a few times. We get supplies via a bosuns chair and the MP's
seem to be ignoring us. Every so often our petty officer transfers
to the main hulls for some kind of politicing. He tells us that
he is trying to get us converted into an outrigger but all he comes
back with is materials for another refit.
The trouble is, we have a hull without a rudder. I think one of
the sub-sub-captains has seen us and wants to fit us out with a
rudder while other officers are divided into the "bring them on deck
and flog them for desertion" and the "cut them loose and watch them
drown" schools.
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