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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

795.0. "V2.1 to 3.0 account transfers" by TEACH::ANGIE () Thu Jun 04 1992 00:34

I have a customer who has two 11/750's.  One of which is running
ALL-IN-1 Ver 2.1 with minimum amount of customizations.  What
they are looking to do is upgrade to two 8250's in a cluster and
put Ver 3.0 on that cluster.  


11/750 - running 2.1 ALL-IN-1 with customizations currently

wants to go to

8250 - running 3.0 ALL-IN-1 and make new customizations. 
Therefore the customizations on the old system will not be
transported.

What they want to do is use the other 11/750 to act as a bridge
so that they can bring their user accounts from 2.1 to 2.3 using
the tape transfer option (TU on 2.1 and TP on 2.3).  Then they
can take the accounts and transfer them to the Ver 3.0 system.

Does anyone see a problem with them doing this or an easier way
of doing it?

Thanks,

Angie
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795.13.0 to 3.0 ?UTRTSC::SCHOLLAERTSweden, here we comeThu Jun 04 1992 11:5314
    Hello Angie,
    
    I wouldn't use 2.1 and 2.3 for the account tranfer. To many
    bugs, horrible to recover after failure.
    
    Why not upgrade the 2.1 system to 3.0 and tranfer 
    from 3.0 to 3.0. Safer, faster, less disk space.
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
    
    
    
795.2Network? Xfer is Slow!IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeThu Jun 04 1992 12:5311
    Why do tape transfers? I assume the two nodes will be network
    connectable?
    
    But apart from the "opportunities" (I wouldn't dream of using the "B**"
    word about my friends' code :-) ) in Transfer User, if you have any
    sort of amount of users, it wil take a *LONG* time to transfer them.
    
    Also, you end up using a lot more disc space in the Mail shared areas,
    since most of the documents will become unshared.
    
    Graham
795.3IOSG::TALLETTArranging bits for a living...Thu Jun 04 1992 12:5929
    Hi there!
    
    	First off, I'd try to put them off the 8250's. They are a very
    	breathless machine. I also went from an 11/750 to a 8250 as a
    	customer and I was very dissapointed. I think the 8250/8350's
    	use the XMI bus to access memory for cost savings, which is a real
    	bottleneck. We upgraded our 8250 to an 8350 but it was still a
    	dog. The 8550 is a real monster in comparison, and much better
    	value for money. If you look at the spec, you'll see its very
    	similar to an 8700, but for much less money (and without some of
    	the expansion possibilities - bi deal).
    
    	Anyway, back to ALL-IN-1. Yes, I'd agree with Jan, this sounds more
    	like an upgrade excercise - you should steer clear of Transfer
    	User for doing things like this. I wouldn't even do the V3.0 to
    	V3.0 transfer that Jan suggests, its too much hassle. Easier to
    	just do upgrades and disk copies in this case.
    
    	I'd go for the big-bang approach and do the upgrade over a weekend.
    
    	Do they have computer room space to install the 8xx0 alongside the
    	11/750's? Then they could do a fresh install of V3.0, develop the
    	customisations, then throw away the 8xx0 VMS and V3.0 system and
    	do the upgrade from the 750s. Come to think of it, they could
    	probably do the customisations by renting a 16Mb VAXstation 3100
    	and doing it all standalone - no need for the 8xx0 to start with.
    
    Regards,
    Paul
795.4Notesclash, but we seem to have consesus!IOSG::TALLETTArranging bits for a living...Thu Jun 04 1992 13:051
    
795.5Be careful with manual copyUTRTSC::SCHOLLAERTSweden, here we comeThu Jun 04 1992 13:2721
    Hello,
    
    Paul,
    
>    	V3.0 transfer that Jan suggests, its too much hassle. Easier to
>    	just do upgrades and disk copies in this case.
    
    I didn't finish Terry Porters hidden but perfect FCS document yet,
    but the impact of copiing ALL-IN-1 3.0 data "manual" from node to node
    or from disk to disk bigger than it was with 2.4.
    
    Correct ?
    
    Graham,
    
    When you are in the field, you tend to adopt customer terminology.
    They report bugs, not opportunities. I will wash my mouth.
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
795.6I bet Anneka Rice could do itAIMTEC::WICKS_ALiverpool win the F.A Cup again!Mon Jun 08 1992 22:4217
    Paul had two suggestions in .3 one of which I hope was a joke (:==:)
    
    With only 48 hours in a standard weekend are there enough assuming
    you go without sleep to
    a) run the PIT and upgrade to 2.3 (and do the manual post-install)
    b) run pre-check and upgrade to 3.0
    on an 11/750?
    
    A fresh sounded the more sensible one and would allow the person doing
    the installing to be fresher for the new week.
    
    of course doing the upgrades separate weekends would be much more
    sensible.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks