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| 2380.1 | | LESLIE::LESLIE | Unicorn | Fri Mar 02 1990 09:48 | 4 |
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You may find this topic better pursued in:
Worksystems Competitive Forum SHPLOG::WS_COMPETITIVE_FORUM 1246
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| 2380.2 | Is this a DECwindows Application? | FUEL::graham | Send in the Clones! | Fri Mar 02 1990 19:14 | 11 |
| >...from ESRI
I know of ESRI and their mapping products. Digital, supposedly, is 'working'
with them in a bid for a $30m RFP (Utility Industry) here in New York. Their
applications, as I understand, were initially built and optimized for Suns
from day one! They only recently starting porting their stuff to X11.
How much clean X11 code they have, is completely beyond me. I would watch
them carefully if I were you. I don't think they are even working at the
X intrinsics level yet.
Kris..
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| 2380.3 | | FORTSC::GAVIN | paul gavin | Wed Mar 14 1990 13:58 | 9 |
| Why do't you ask your customer to ask Sun to show their application running
under Sun's X11/News merge product and really compare apples with apples .
( No Pun intended ).
Since Sunview does not allow remote display of images and Sun are
committed to going to X .
I think if you do this you might get a nice surprise.
Paul Gavin
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| 2380.4 | | TRNSAM::HOLT | Robert Holt, ISV Atelier West | Thu Mar 15 1990 02:44 | 18 |
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But suppose they don't care about network transparent windows?
What if they just want an app to run faster? Lots of folks
don't care if their window is an X window, a Motif window,
a News window, or a Sunview window, as long as it runs their
favorite stuff fastest.
And, they vote with their checkbooks (am I right or wrong?)...
We have very nice toolkit widgets, but some of them (text widget
for one) are so expensive to use in performance-critical situations
that I am having to rip out dwt code and replace it with Xlib in
order to run an app approximately as fast on a DS3100 as on a a
SparcI..
We can't go on excusing our lack of speed with this standards story
forever...I wince whenever I hear it.
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| 2380.5 | X is slower that Sunview because it's different | OPHION::MIKEY | Mike Yang | Thu Mar 15 1990 20:43 | 6 |
| I don't think you can get X stuff, even Xlib-only with no DECwindows,
to run as fast as Sunview. X just has network latency issues to deal
with.
Clients that base their decisions so rashly are going to get burned in
the future.
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| 2380.6 | | KONING::KONING | NI1D @FN42eq | Fri Mar 16 1990 17:43 | 5 |
| Huh? If you don't run X over the network -- which you had better not, if
you want an apples-to-apples comparison -- it doesn't have any network
latency!
paul
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| 2380.7 | Not Surprised - Acceleration sometimes helps! | ASSAM::BREEN | | Sun Mar 18 1990 08:15 | 13 |
| Acceleration definitely helps some things. On average, X11perf
numbers for DS3100 are better than those for Sparc SPX. But some
of the spx numbers clearly show the effects of the accelerator. I've
been using a color X-terminal which also runs the standard demos faster
the the DS3100, with the DS running the client locally. But similarly
to the Sparc SPX, the X11perf numbers for the terminal (Jupiter JX310)
arn't up to those of the DS. Clearly, it depends upon what you're
doing.
A conference, cheese::x-terminals, has been opened to examine some
of these issues. For membership mail cheese::kaiser, cheese::mackenzie.
Mike
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