Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    
    and after we take the sex out of the lyrics, we can
    start on nursery rhymes.  those things are loaded with
    all sorts of dangerous political ideas, don't want children 
    developing any opinions based on them, do we?
    
    jonathan "My goodness left me" ludgate
    

    re: .0
    
    Madonna wasn't actually arrested in Canada.
    
    What happened was that someone complained that Madonna's show was lewd
    and lavicious.  The local police then went to the show to check,
    decided that the complaint was groundless, and that was the end of it. 
    Appart from the news stories of course.
    
    Bob

    
    in the news they interviewed the captain of the canadian police and
    he said there was no arrest just a complaint and they checked it out
    and found that there was nothing wrong with the show.the tronto dome
    has a nick name being the sex dome as there have been people in the
    sky boxes during the blue jays game who have done certain things with
    half the staduim watching.
    
    as for the lyrics of songs being sexist, violent and any thing else
    we can say it remind me of the first time my mother heard the song
    "louie louie" and she got so mad she broke the record. then there
    was all the protest songs of the 60"s. and before that it was there
    parents protesting the chasleston. 
    
    so no matter what the year there is always going to be some songs
    that offend somebody or get somebody mad. if you stop your kids
    from hearing them at home some friend will have it to listen down at
    the corner. our best thing to do is to is as crosby. stills and nash
    said "teach your children right" and hope for the best as it a real
    jungle in the real world.
    
    
    frank
    
    
    

	The thing about these attempts at "censorship" is that they
	usually end up being PROMOTIONS!

	I would never have heard about "2 Live Crew", or "The Last
	Temptation of Christ",, etc, etc, if it hadn't been for some
	person or group that made a big brouhaha about it.

	Sex sells, but *popularity* sells even better. I imagine lots 
	of people checked out "Temptation", not because of any personal
	theological interest, but just to see what all the fuss was about.

	This happens again and again. For all I know, "2 Live Crew" may
	be singing "obscene" songs in the hopes of getting some publicity
        out of those folks who are "professional offendees."

	It makes me wonder if these "professional offendees" really CARE
	whether they are accomplishing their stated goals. I mean, they
	obviously aren't. SO why do they keep at it? Do they just like
	to hear the sound of their own whining voices?

							Scot

Frank:

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> ...the first time my mother heard the song "louie louie" and she
> got so mad she broke the record.
    
  What *WERE* the lyrics?  I've never heard two people agree!

                                   Atlant    

  Lately, the question of "what music is fit for public appearance"
  has been near and dear to my heart. :-(

  At a theoretical level, I abhor censorship of any kind.  But...

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  A few weeks ago, I was stuck in a large crowd at a parking lot
  and the lot of us had nothing to do but kill time.  One van turned
  its stereo up *LOUD*.  Initially, the music was a wide variety of
  stuff, but they eventually settled on RAP.  And there were two
  or three young teen girls dancing to a song where the chorus was
  something like:

    "I like them sexy, and *WET*"

  and the verses left no doubt as to exactly what was supposed to
  be wet and what methods could be used to achieve that end.

  And I asked myself:  Why would these girls be listening to this
  music that degrades them so?

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  Would I censor that rap song?  I dunno.  Probably not for my own
  kid(s).  (For a school graduation ceremony?  Probably yes.)  But
  the image that it presented was so distorted, so vile, that it
  cried out for balance, and these parents were providing none of it.

                                   Atlant

    
    "louie louie" was out in the middle to late 50's (boy i guess i'm
    getting old) by a group named the kingsmen. this song had used words
     like f*** your girl, and la* her again. and i felt my b*** in her hair
    it was remade for the movie animal house with some different lyrics
    so back then this was pretty crude but mild to what i hear in some
    of my sons rap songs that he plays. but if he doesn't hear it here
    he'll hear it somewhere else.
    
    so i say let them sing what they want and if it offends you
     just change the station
    
    
      frank
    
    

    re: .9 (Frank)
    
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but "Louie, Louie" contained
    no obscenities (neither the original or the remake by The
    Kingsmen).  However, the fact that a huge segment of the 
    population believed that The Kingsmens' version had obscenities
    in it helped rocket an otherwise forgettable tune to immortality.
    
    Steve (see also 58.83)
    

    Steve
    
    Do you mean that one of the singers doesn't mutter something like
    
    
    "I think I'll never lay her again"
    
    
     is that just an 'urban legend'?
    
    bj

    I will dare to speak for Steve.
    
    It's just an urban legend, Bonnie.

    I'm crushed!
    
    bj

    Never fear, there are plenty of other oldies to smirk at knowingly... 
    Just about any of the early songs that mention rock'n'rolling all
    night, for example.
    
    And I've never understood why "Sixty Minute Man" was allowed on the
    air... or Elvis Presley's first Christmas song... 
    
    Ray

    or going back even further...
    
    Bessie Smith's "Kitchen Man" and some of her other tunes...
    

    Lola by the Kinks managed to slip by the censors.
    
    Or Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones.
    
    Lisa

<    Bessie Smith's "Kitchen Man" and some of her other tunes...

    Oh yes, I like his jelly roll! :*) liesl

    re: .12/.11
    
    I gotta admit it Ray. . .ya got sack!  But yes, Bonnie, Ray's
    right about it being an urban (and even suburban) legend.  One
    of the interesting things about such legends is that in some
    ways they can become self-fulfilling.  For example, although
    The Kingsmen's version contained no obscenities, the same 
    could not be said for the version done by any number of local
    bands who, believing the legend to be true, "figured out" what
    all those dirty words were and sang them everywhere from bars
    to sock hops.
    
    I'll always remember the look on the face of Mr. Phillips' 
    (the Vice Principal) when my band at the time did "Louie,
    Louie" for the third time that night at the high school
    "canteen".  We generally didn't repeat tunes but at the
    time, the whole school was ga-ga over it and we'd been 
    getting requests ever since we started our first set.  
    
    And so it was that when we played it for the third time, Fred
    Ewers, our lead singer (and the "rebel" of the group) decided
    to mumble "those" words significantly less than he had the 
    first two times we played it.  Or, to be more accurate, he
    deciced to pronounce them with articulation so precise that
    he might, having chosen other words, been instantly awarded
    an "A+" in Speech for the year.
    
    As it was, Mr. Phillips, a man of dour countenance and marked 
    hatred toward any kid less than, say, 57 years old, was less 
    than thrilled.  So much so that when he realized Fred was singing 
    explicitly about doing "it", Mr. Phillips pulled the plug on 
    the band.  And I mean he literally pulled the plug; in those 
    days, one power strip was more than ample to power the average
    high school group so Mr. Phillips yanked the cord and for a
    couple of unforgettable seconds, there we were playing soundless
    electric guitars (perhaps this is where the idea for "air guitar" 
    was born) and Fred hollering futiley into a dead microphone being
    drowned out by the enthusiastic, if not entirely talented and
    precise, drum flailings of our drummer Bob ("Lemon") Lamantea.
    
    Somehow it's always seemed like a travesty that this momentous
    event never appeared in "The Rolling Stone History of Rock
    and Roll".
                                                           
    Steve

                               Louie Louie
        By Richard Berry.  Copyright 1957-1963 by Limax Music Inc.
                       Reprinted without permission
    
    Louie Louie, me gotta go.  Louie Louie, me gotta go.  A fine little
    girl, she wait for me.  Me catch the ship across the sea.  I sailed the
    ship all alone.  I never think I'll make it home.  Louie Louie, me
    gotta go.  Three nights and days we sailed the sea.  Me think of girl
    constantly.  On the ship, I dream she there.  I smell the rose in her
    hair.  Louie Louie, me gotta go.  Me see Jamaican moon above.  It won't
    be long me see me love.  Me take her in my arms and then I tell her I
    never leave again.  Louie Louie, me gotta go.

    what a disappointment!! after all that teenaged significant looking at
    one another when Louie Louie came on the radio!!  Even "Dirty Water" is
    racier than this!
    
    ^   ^
      |
    \___/
    

    
    .20
    
      the words you wrote are from the remake version and are no where
     near the orignal version of the kingsmen and i will look and see
    if i can find the orignal words. today i will call a couple of
    friends who work for bcn and ask if they can get them for me.
    
      frank

    "Louie Louie" can almost be classified as a Jamaican folk song, it's
    been around so long.
    
    The "Americanized" version by Richard Berry was the first to make it
    into print, as .20 points out. The Kingsmen's version, while decidedly
    the most (in)famous, is no closer to being the original than any of the
    hundreds of other covers of the tune you're likely to find.
    
    "Louie Louie" was already middle-aged before the Kingsmen had hands big
    enough to play the 3 chords...
    
    Edd

    Perhaps the song is based on an older song, but in any case Richard
    Berry wrote "Louie Louie" some seven years before the Kingsmen recorded
    it.  Therefore, the Kingsmen in no way recorded the "original" version
    of the song.  Cecil Adams also reports Richard Berry's assurance that
    the Kingsmen did not spice up the lyrics.

    -- Mike