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Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

1077.0. "What is the role of clubs today?" by FRECKL::HUTCHINS (Wheeere's that Smith Corona?) Thu Apr 05 1990 13:34

    A conversation with a friend about ancient Greek rituals in celebration
    of the gods and goddesses prompted this subject for me.
    
    What is the modern day equivalent of those male and female gatherings?
    
    I could think of several men's clubs (Rotary [women are now allowed 
    membership, but it is still	primarily a men's club); Bohemians;
    Masons and Lions Club, to name a few), but I couldn't think of any
    women's clubs which are national in scope and as visible as the men's
    clubs.
    
    My questions are:
    
    	Are there any women's clubs such as Rotary, Masons, etc.?
    	What role do both the men's and women's clubs serve today?
    	Has membership increased or declined in the last decade?
    
    There has been a lengthy discussion about membership in these clubs
    elsewhere in the file.  I'm interested in finding out people's opinions
    about the roles that these clubs serve today.  The clubs have evolved
    from a gathering of people in celebration of a deity/belief to those
    which serve a role in the community, and also as a social gathering.
    
    Judi
    
    
    
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1077.1thoughtsULTRA::ZURKOWe're more paranoid than you are.Thu Apr 05 1990 16:2213
The 'logical' equivalent of the Masons is Easter Star. To join Easter Star you
have to be the wife, mother, sister, daughter or widow of a Mason (there are
also some extensions, like maybe step-daughter, but I forget what they are).
Men are members too, and, in fact, the 'president' is a Worthy Matron and
Worthy Patron (though the Worthy Matron gets the bigger throne).

I go to WITCH lectures, though I don't know if they're a club. I don't know any
of the other attendees (unless they're DECcies or introduced by DECcies), and
it's certainly not national.

And I get a massage monthly. It's a bit of a mystical experience, but it's not
a club.
	Mez
1077.2WMOIS::B_REINKEif you are a dreamer, come in..Thu Apr 05 1990 16:246
    Mez,
    
    Just a 'nit' I believe that is the "EasterN' Star....but I could be
    wrong.
    
    Bonnie
1077.3Bunny Star? :-)ULTRA::ZURKOWe're more paranoid than you are.Thu Apr 05 1990 16:312
snicker; yeah. I didn't spell-check, and it wouldn't have helped anyway.
	Mez
1077.4ICESK8::KLEINBERGERWill 8/4 **ever** get here?Thu Apr 05 1990 16:347
    Yes, it is indeed Eastern Star with an "N"..  There is also Rainbow Girls 
    and Jobs Daughters for girls aged 12 to 21... For more information
    about that organization, you should read ARGUS::MASONIC (KP7 and all
    that jazz)...
    
    Gale Kleinberger
    Past Matron, OES 1979
1077.5FRECKL::HUTCHINSWheeere's that Smith Corona?Thu Apr 05 1990 17:5525
    re Eastern Star et al
    
    In order to gain membership in this group, does one have to be related
    to a Mason?
    
    In order to be a Mason, does one have to be related, or is membership
    by nomination?
    
    If membership is by nomination, then why is Eastern Star membership by
    relation?
    
    
    What role do these organizations play today?  Why is it that men can be
    nominated and women have to be related?  Each of these orgaizations
    have rituals and membership requirements.  Once a person is a member,
    what do they do?
    
    There have been some important people in history who have been Masons
    (Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, to name a few).  The rituals have
    changed, but the need is still there for social interaction and
    community service.  Where are people finding these vehicles today?  Are
    clubs a thing of the past, or are they still strong? 
    
    Judi
    
1077.6ULTRA::ZURKOWe're more paranoid than you are.Thu Apr 05 1990 18:0927
>    re Eastern Star et al
    
>    In order to gain membership in this group, does one have to be related
>    to a Mason?

Yes. Which makes it tough if your mom is a widow and she only gave birth to
daughters. No one alive to talk into joining Star.
    
>    In order to be a Mason, does one have to be related, or is membership
>    by nomination?

I believe it is by nomination. You probably have to know one (someone probably
has to vouch for his character).
    
>    If membership is by nomination, then why is Eastern Star membership by
>    relation?

I don't know. I have philosophical guesses :-). I'm sure my mom tried to
explain it to me. I think it had to do with the Masons starting Star, and
owning the lease on the temple (at least, the one in Milford CT).
    
>    Once a person is a member, what do they do?

Wear dresses and gowns, memorize rituals with lots of quotes from the bible,
and do good deeds. I was a member of Star for a while.
    
	Mez
1077.7HmmmFRECKL::HUTCHINSWheeere's that Smith Corona?Thu Apr 05 1990 18:496
    Ooooooooooooooh...then you were a good deed doer?  (apologies to the
    "Wizard of Oz")
    
    ;-)  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
    Judi
    
1077.8Other Women's Service OrgsFSHQA1::AWASKOMThu Apr 05 1990 21:5315
    Some other organizations which spring to mind --
    
    The League of Women Voters.
    
    Daughters of the American Revolution.
    
    Junior League
    
    All of these organizations do an incredible amount of civic work, and are
    open primarily to women.  (I don't know for sure if the Leagues now
    accept men, I know the DAR does not.)  They don't carry the same
    potential for business advancement that Kiwanis, Lions, Rotary, or the
    JC's do -- but they are as close as women could get until recently.
    
    Alison 
1077.9League of Woman VotersVAXWRK::SKALTSISDebThu Apr 05 1990 22:015
    LWV does accept men, although it is still overwhelmingly women,
    especially as active members.
    
    Deb
    
1077.10from the Boston Woman's guide to women's groupsSYSENG::BITTLEgood girls make good wivesFri Apr 06 1990 03:33254
                                      Academic
                                      --------
            
            American Association of University Women
            
            Boston University Women Graduates Club
            
            Boston University Women's Council
            
            Management Institute for Women in Higher Education
            
            Mary Ingraham Bunting Institute, Radcliffe College
            
            
                                       Aging
                                       -----
            
            Midlife Association
            
            Older Women's League (OWL)
            
            
                                      Athletic
                                      --------
            
            Women's Golf Association of Massachusetts
            
            
                                      Children
                                      --------
            
            Big Sister Association
            
            Patriots Trail Girl Scout Council
            
            
                                 Community Service
                                 -----------------
            
            Boston Women's Fund
            
            Daughters of the American Revolution
            
            League of Women for Community Service, Inc.
            
            Massachusetts State Federation of Women's Clubs
            
            Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD)
            
            National Association of Negro Business and Professional
            Women's Clubs, Inc.
            
            Pioneer Women Organization (Na'Amat)
            
            Women's Educational and Industrial Union
            
            Women's Institute for Housing and Economic Development, Inc.
            
            Women's Service Club
            
            
                                      Feminist
                                      --------
            
            Cambridge Women's Center
            
            National Organization for Women (NOW)
            
            New England League of Afro-American Women
            
            
                                       Health
                                       ------
            
            Boston Women's Health Book Collective
            
            The Women's Initiative
            
            
                                      Lesbian
                                      -------
            
            Gay and Lesbian Speakers Bureau
            
            
                                     Political
                                     ---------
            
            Asian Sisters in Action
            
            Cambridge Commission on the Status of Women
            
            League of Women Voters
            
            Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (MWPC)
            
            Women for Economic Justice
            
            Women Elected Municipal Officials (WEMO)
            
            Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament (WAND)
            
            Women's Equity Action League of Massachusetts
            
            Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
            
            Women's Statewide Legislative Network
            
            
                                    Professional
                                    ------------
            
            The Women's Dental Society of Massachusetts
            
            American College of Nurse-Midwives
            
            American Medical Women's Association
            
            American Society of Women Accountants
            
            Association for Women in Computing
            
            Association for Women in Mathematics
            
            Association for Women in Psychology
            
            Association for Women in Science
            
            Association for Part-Time Professionals
            
            Black Women's Network
            
            Boston Business and Professional Women
            
            Boston Network for Women in Politics and Government
            
            Cape Ann Chamber Businesswomen
            
            Career Women of the Combined Jewish Philanthropies
            
            Charlestown Working Women's Network
            
            Coalition of Labor Union Women
            
            Financial Women International (formerly National Association
            of Bank Women)
            
            Greater Boston Women's Network
            
            Home-based Business Women's Network
            
            International Association for Personnel Women
            
            Massachusetts Association of Insurance Women
            
            Massachusetts Association of Women Deans, Administrators,
            and Counselors
            
            Massachusetts Dental Hygienists Association
            
            National Association of Women in Construction
            
            National Association for Female Executives (Boston/NAFE)
            
            National Women's Book Association
            
            New England Women Business Owners
            
            Nine to Five
            
            North Shore Women in Business
            
            Society of Women Engineers
            
            State Office of Minority Business Assistance
            
            Women Entrepreneurs Home-based Network
            
            Women in Architecture
            
            Women in Business of Boston
            
            Women in Communications, Inc
            
            Women in Film and Video
            
            Women in the Building Trades
            
            Women in World Trade
            
            The Women Sales Network of Boston
            
            Women South of Boston
            
            Women West of Boston
            
            Women's Bar Association
            
            Women's Business Network
            
            Women's Committee of the Service Employees International
            Union, Local 509
            
            Women's Culinary Guild of New England
            
            Women's Lunch Group
            
            Women's Success Network
            
            Women's Transportation Seminar
            
            
                                    Real Estate
                                    -----------
            
            New England Women in Real Estate (NEWIRE)
            
            Women in Development of Greater Boston
            
            
                                     Religious
                                     ---------
            
            Am'it Women
            
            B'nai B'rith Women
            
            Boston Women's Ordination Conference
            
            Church Women United in Massachusetts
            
            National Council of Jewish Women
            
            Unitarian-Universalist Women's Federation
            
            Women's American ORT (Organization for Rehabilitation
            through Training)
            
            Women's League for Conservative Judaism
            
            Women's Theological Center
            
            
                                     Self-Help
                                     ---------
            
            YWCA, Melnea A. Cass Branch
            
            
                                       Social
                                       ------
            
            Women's City Club
            
1077.11SYSENG::BITTLEgood girls make good wivesFri Apr 06 1990 03:387
    
    
    	If anyone's interested in addresses for any of the groups
    	mentioned in -.1, just ask!
    
    						nancy b.
    
1077.12FRECKL::HUTCHINSWheeere's that Smith Corona?Fri Apr 06 1990 13:4532
    re .10
    
    Nancy, thank you for that comprehensive list!
    
    In reading through the note, it struck me that the majority were
    focused on a particular group or association.  Are clubs and
    associations becoming specialized?
    
    I have never been a member of the Junior League, but in talking with
    several friends about the club, it sounds like the League is trying
    very hard to reflect the needs of the community and address important
    issues (homelessness, aging, shelters, etc.), but that there is a
    struggle with the *membership* that is splitting some clubs.  Some
    members understand the current issues affecting communities, and others
    want to keep the "white glove" social elitist attitude.
    
    Is the difference between men's and women's clubs parallel to men's and
    women's differences?  What is the charter of these groups?  Social
    service? Networking? Social interaction?
    
    I used to be a member and officer of Business & Professional Women (a
    national organization), but I didn't feel any real cohesiveness in the
    group, so I left.  I saw the retirees sitting in the same groups
    meeting after meeting, and I heard the President (and quite a few
    others) address the membership as "the girls".  Many of the speakers
    were interesting, but after a while, I felt that I was wasting my time
    and money.  
    
    What *is* the role of clubs today?  
    
    Judi
    
1077.13DAR ?RDVAX::COLLIERBruce CollierFri Apr 06 1990 18:125
    
    In what way is the DAR a social service organization?
    
    	- Bruce
    
1077.14yFSHQA2::AWASKOMFri Apr 06 1990 22:5712
    Bruce -
    
    The DAR funds a number of academic programs at the grade school
    and high school levels, particularly in the areas of US History
    (surprise, surprise :-) ) and American social sciences.
    
    In addition, they do community work of various sorts, depending
    on the needs and abilities of their town and members, including
    scholarship drives, downtown clean-ups, park and recreational
    opportunities, etc.  Much of what they do is done fairly quietly.
    
    Alison
1077.15queryDECWET::JWHITEsometimes it rainsFri Apr 06 1990 23:494
    
    what are the requirements to join the d.a.r.? specifically, i'm
    curious as to whether black women are eligible.
    
1077.16this was 4 years agoSYSENG::BITTLEgood girls make good wivesSat Apr 07 1990 04:5014
    
    
    	re: .15 (Joe White)
    
    	I've been ashamed of a (large) scholarship I received from
    	the DAR since I've read and heard from others about what
    	a racist organization it is.
    
    	I vaguely recall a story about the DAR refusing to admit
    	a black woman (there have probably been others) who could
    	prove one of her ancestors fought in the American Revolution.
    
    						nancy b.
    
1077.17DARRDVAX::COLLIERBruce CollierSat Apr 07 1990 20:3117
    .14 > The DAR funds a number of academic programs . . .
    
    Alison -
    
       I've had a good deal of contact with groups developing social
    studies curriculum materials at grade and high school levels, and I've
    never heard of DAR involvement.  On the other hand, from my impression
    of their ideology, I'm not sure I'd welcome it. Could you be more 
    specific?
    
       The attitude I inherited toward the DAR is epitomized in the
    following true story.  There was a long tradition that the U.S.
    President addressed the annual meeting of the DAR. In 1932, F.D.R.
    accepted the usual invitation, and began his speach with the line
    "Welcome, fellow immigrants."  No President has been invited back,
    since.
    			- Bruce
1077.18my impressions of DARTLE::D_CARROLLSisters are doin' it for themselvesSat Apr 07 1990 23:5511
As a direct descendent of Governor Bradford (first Gov. of MA) I (and my
mother) qualify to join.  I have never had the slightest interest, as 
my impression of the DAR is that is a white-glove elitist social 
organization that exists solely of letting jet-set socialites feel
superior about themselves.  (Sorry if it isn't true, but that is my
impression.)  Anyway, my Mom said she always wanted to join and bring
my [black] "baby" (not any more!) brother and freak them all out.
(Obviously she was joking - she wouldn't do anything so crude to Daniel.)

D!

1077.19FSHQA2::AWASKOMMon Apr 09 1990 15:5114
    Well, Nancy and the other respondents are why *I* haven't joined
    and have no desire to.  They *are* racist and there is a *strong*
    flavor of 'noblesse oblige' about their approach to what they do.
    I'm really not into feeling superior to anyone simply because a
    marvelous choice of parents :-) gave me some opportunities others haven't
    had.  I've been pretty heavily 'recruited' by them a couple of times,
    which is why I know about some of what they do.  (My grandmother 
    was president of her chapter, my mother never bothered but was active
    in other 'social service' volunteer work.) 
    
    However, the original basenote asked for service organizations which
    are available for women.  And I provided the few that I knew about.
    
    Alison
1077.20FRECKL::HUTCHINSWheeere's that Smith Corona?Mon Apr 09 1990 17:5025
    re .19
    
    Alison,
    
    In the basenote, I queried the purpose of clubs today.  There seems to
    be a vast difference between men's and women's clubs, and I was
    wondering why and what use they serve.
    
    There are many service groups today, but few of the clubs like Masons
    and Bohemians (to name but 2) which are available for men only.
    
    At this point in time, membership in a club is not a priority for me,
    but that may change.  When I look at what is available, what will I
    find?  What is the charter of today's clubs?  As a member, what would
    be expected of me and what would I receive in exchange for dues?  
    
    Why would a person want to join a club?  Is membership flagging in some
    organizations because the club has not kept pace with the times, or
    because the members have somehow "outgrown" the club?  Clubs used to be
    a vital part of the community, and some seem to be going through some
    difficult times.
    
    Judi
    
    
1077.21Junior LeagueSQLRUS::THATTENisha ThatteThu Apr 12 1990 21:529

I have always been curious about the Junior League.  I have heard that basically
you have to have been a debutante and have a trust fund with at least 6 digits
to be a member.  Is that true or was someone just joking around and I believed
them?

-- Nisha

1077.22A matter of choiceFRICK::HUTCHINSWheeere's that Smith Corona?Fri Apr 13 1990 13:0116
    re .21
    
    Nisha,
    
    This is the bone of contention for many JL clubs today.  Part of the
    membership wants to maintain the debutante image and the other part
    recognizes the reality of a membership which addresses the needs of
    women today - minorities, working women, social issues, community work,
    etc.  Not too long ago, half of the Worcester board resigned because of
    this split.  I don't know what the current philosophy is on this one. 
    I didn't join because this club didn't offer what I was looking for. 
    For many women, especially newcomers to a town, it offers many
    activities and suits their needs.  
    
    Judi
    
1077.23Are there still CR groups?GEMVAX::KOTTLERWed Apr 18 1990 16:591