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Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
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Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
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825.0. "What about the 'Women in Our Lives'" by WMOIS::B_REINKE (if you are a dreamer, come in..) Thu Oct 12 1989 00:48

    What memories do you remember from your parents, grandparents,
    greatgrandparents? Especially, what memories do we as women
    recall from the women in our lives (thinking back on the 
    Ronnie Gilbert song in the Weavers reunion back in 1980..
    'there is someing about the women in my life'. I've been
    thinking about the inheritance I have from my grandmother,
    who died in November. I have some embroidery that her mother
    made, and a few simple items that were bought in stores or
    hand made that I love and $100 that I've been slowly spending
    on plants in my garden.
    
    What do we owe the 'women in or lives' our mothers, sisters
    grandmothers, greatgrandmothers....how many of us have stories
    about important women that we are related to that we wnat to 
    remember and share?
    
    Bonnie
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825.1Mom -- You're Everything to Me!37333::TTAYLORTraveletter is my Life!Thu Oct 12 1989 14:1711
    I owe everything that I am today to my mother.  She has this quiet
    strength.  She gives me the ambition, determination and assurance
    that I can be whatever I want to be.
    
    She is the greatest woman I've ever met, and my mother's mother
    (grandma Rose) runs a very close second.  Grandma has triumphed
    over severe illness late in life, to bounce back and once again
    take over the role of matriarch of our family.
    
    Tammi
    
825.2WMOIS::S_LECLAIRThu Oct 12 1989 17:2410
    I owe a lot to my maternal grandmother.  When I was 8 years old, I
    started taking piano lessons and couldn't seem to grasp the basic
    fundamentals.  My grandmother sat down and very patiently explained
    all I needed to know.  She was a teacher for a lot of years and I
    guess that helped her relay ideas easily to others.  As I got older
    and started taking Alegbra in school, she would patiently explain
    all that I didn't understand.  This woman probably meant more to
    me during my childhood than any woman, including my mother because
    of her patience and understanding and kindness.
    
825.3don't get me started,...you know how i get(-:STC::AAGESENThu Oct 12 1989 18:4092

The title to this topic made me think of an Alix Dobkin song "The Woman in 
Your Life". Part of it goes something like:

         "The woman in your life
          will do what she must do
          to comfort you
          and calm you down
          and let you rest now....
          The woman in your life
          she can rest so easily
          she knows everything you do because
          the woman in your life is YOU"

   good song.......maybe the 45 is out(-:

[enough of this rathole(-:]



Mom - What a woman! Mom was never much of a disciplinarian, forever 
      "grounding" me and not following thru with her threat. My mother much 
       preffered talking (discussing, analyzing, ect.). I think her 
       "processing approach" to resolving conflict is something I carry 
       with me very strongly to this day. I also would go as far as saying
       that the enviornment I grew up in is one reason why I react rather 
       negatively to a "DIRECT ORDER", or mandate <hehehe>. Mom very much
       instilled in each of her children a strong indepedancy that she now
       occasionally regrets. She didn't have an easy time as a single parent
       after her divorce. I still marvel at the ability she displayed in   
       taking on this task. I can think of many other choices she could 
       have made for herself to make that time in her life easier. 
  
       My mom refuses to "grow-up"(-:. I remember once when she met myself
       and SO at Port of Miami to bid us farewell on a 7-day cruise. She 
       shows up with a HAPPY BIRTHDAY helium balloon that was about 4
       feet in diameter for me to carry on the cruise ship. Hell,
       the thing barely fit into those little cabin spaces they give ya'!
       She's the kind of woman who gives absolutely everything of herself
       to her kids and asks for very little in return.


sister - My sister Tammy is without a doubt my best friend <outside of my 
         SO>. She and I are *very* different from each other, which may be one
         reason I think our relationship is so special. She was always 
         considered the "good kid" when we were growing up, as opposed to me 
         being a bit of a rebel<<--note the world's greatest understatement(-;>
         According to my mom, *I*'m the one who taught Tammy how to lie 
         because I begged her to tell mom we didn't get report cards one time. 
         Silly me, I forgot to consider that some of the people my mother 
         worked with may have had children in school also(-:. Most of the 
         special memories I have about Tim-Tam are ones that happened 
         "post-growing up" years. Like the time we were crowded in the sunday 
         school classroom of the church my great-grandfather built and 
         ministered in, getting dressed for Tammy's wedding. More recently, me
         driving like a bat-out-of-hell to make it to Virginia before her first
         child was born this past August. Or us meeting up in Washington D.C. 
         last October for the NAMES Project Quilt un-folding. We called 
         "home" to mom during the afternoon to find out that our 
         grandmother had died unexpectedly. Tammy most often serves as my
         sanity check, and I hers. She is a very special woman in my life.

"Big Mom"- Who got her nickname because she was too young to be a grandma
           when her first grandchild was born(-:. She was my mothers mom, 
           and the only grandparent that left much of an impression on me.
           Big Mom was a very domineering woman, and without a doubt the 
           family matriarch. She is the one who pulled us all together when
           *she* decided that was how we should be, all together. I loved 
           her very much, but I think it is fair to say we had our 
           personality clashes. She had 4 children before she turned 21. I was 
           always intrigued with the idea that this woman raised 4 children by 
           herself in the late 20's thru the mid to late 40's. A difficult job,
           even by today's standards. Let alone the standards that applied to 
           women during that era. She didn't have her family's approval or 
           support to fall back on. Big Mom had a love for music that she 
           passed on to each of her children. She would follow the Gospel 
           singing groups religiously. I remember her taking me to Gospel 
           singing events all the time when I was young. I was very impressed 
           that she personally knew the members of the different groups, and 
           that she had sung with several of them in churches over the 
           years. Ahhhh, the hours spent standing around the piano with her
           playing/singing and the rest of us joining in........

           Although we had our differences, I still miss her 
           overbearing, often cantankerous, co-hesive nature that she
           lended to our extended family.

      Thanks for starting this topic, Bonnie. I enjoyed the trip down
      memory lane.
    
   ~robin
825.4FSHQA2::AWASKOMThu Oct 12 1989 19:1730
    If I get through this without tears, it will be amazing.
    
    My mother was my best friend.  When I was between the ages of 8
    and 18, my father was a consultant and away from home Monday through
    Friday.  I have such clear memories of sitting on the kitchen counter
    while she wiped up after dinner and talking, sometimes for hours,
    about everything under the sun while I was in high school.  She
    would clean the same piece of counter several times over, so that
    I would continue the conversation.
    
    I can never go to the beach without remembering the vacation we
    took, just the two of us, to the Cape some years after my divorce.
    She tried to teach me to appreciate the ocean and share *her*
    child-like wonder at exploring the shore.  (She was raised in
    Conneticut, I in Illinois.)       
    
    The year my son was 1, my husband was overseas and I lived with
    my folks.  Mom was finishing her last year of college at Wellesley,
    I was finishing my last year at Northeastern, kidlet went to a day-care
    that only lasted to the end of the high-school day.  The juggling
    act she helped me with to make sure that at least one of us was
    out of classes early enough to get the kid was amazing.  (I have
    2 sisters, one was in her final year at Mt Holyoke that year.  We
    all graduated within 3 weeks of each other.  In age-chronological
    order.  It was amazing.)
    
    2 1/2 years after her passing, I still miss her.  And I try to help
    my sisters in the ways that she helped me.
    
    Alison
825.5DZIGN::STHILAIREFood, Shelter &amp; DiamondsThu Oct 12 1989 19:3546
    Somes of the things I appreciate the most about my mother:
    
    1.  Even though she didn't go to college, and didn't work outside
        the home, she got me interested in books when I was still a
        toddler.  Before I learned how, she used to read to me for
        hours at a time.  One of my earliest memories is my mother
        reading to me, and when she tried to stop I would say, "Read
        more," and she would.  Even though we didn't have much money
        I always had piles of kids books.
    
    2.  I think I got my appreciation for beautiful things from my mother,
        whether nature, art, jewelry, or whatever.  From the time I
        was a little kid she was always pointing out beautiful things
        that she thought were special that I should notice - moss on
        rocks, flowers, icicles in the sun, a full moon, a sunset,
        a starry sky, trees against the sky, etc.  I'm really glad
        I had somebody to point out all those things to me, and to
        teach me to look closely at the small beauties of nature, which 
        I might have missed otherwise.
    
    3.  She also believed that people have to make themselves happy
        and to entertain themselves in life.  She always saw the glass
        as half full and never half empty.  I'm glad that she tried
        to instill this attitude in me.  I hope it will always keep
        me from becoming a negative, bitter person, no matter what 
        happens.
    
    4.  She was in love with my father for 37 yrs.  I'm glad I got to
        witness this because I know it's possible to attain.  But, it's
        also frustrating because it's so difficult to find.
    
    5.  She also took care of my daughter, while I worked, from the time 
        my daughter started kindergarten until the middle of the 8th grade.
        So, I never had to worry about paying for daycare or leaving
        Melissa with strangers.  They also had a very close relationship.
    
    6.  I think what I, personally, appreciated the most about my mother,
        since I moved out of the house, is that she was always there
        for me to talk to whenever I was upset about anything.  She
        would always listen to my problems, which were usually very
        different from anything she had ever experienced, and would
        always manage to say something to make me feel better about
        life.
    
    Lorna
    
825.6BSS::BLAZEKpuppets dance on a burning floorSat Oct 14 1989 18:1423
        My mother's given me support and understanding my entire life.
    	I think I've done everything a child can do to shock her (what
    	is it that drives us to be such terrorists to our parents) but
    	she still loves me, and sometimes that amazes me.  The things
    	I've learned from her are too numerous to mention.  She's very
    	strong and independent, while also being nurturing and loving.
    
    	In an entirely different vein, I learned from my grandmother
    	how not to spend one's life.  My grandfather left her 35 years
    	ago, married another woman, and my grandmother has spent her
    	entire life mourning the divorce and hating the woman he later
    	married (my grandfather died 30 years ago).  Hatred does ugly
    	things to a person.
    
	There are many other women in my life ... old friends, young
    	friends, new friends, women who have helped me develop into
    	who I am now.  My relationships with women are very special.
    	I can relate to some women and interact with them in a way I
    	never will with men.  And I cherish that.
    
    	Carla
    
825.7Pioneer womenROLL::MINERBarbara Miner HLO2-3Thu Oct 19 1989 16:3661
What a good idea for a note!

     My grammy died this summer; her name was Mary.  I learned many
things from her.  She was  **definitely**  not a feminist (or so she
fervently claimed), but no one in my family uses the term  "Strong
Woman".  It is redundant.  She wouldn't have used the words herself --
she just "did what had to be done".

     Mary was born in '96.  Her father abandoned the family when she was
2; her mother died of appendicitis when Mary was 9.  She lived with a
guardian until he died when she was 16 (she kept house for him and ran
the post office).  She lived with a family for the last two years of
high school -- her happiest times.

    Mary loved to read; she passed that on to all of her children.  When
her mind couldn't keep track of what she'd eaten for breakfast that
morning, she could still quote reams of poetry.  The only poems that I
know, I memorized with her.  

    From stories of "the Vassar girls", Mary decided that she would go
to college, and she did.  She taught school for three years to earn
money and attended four years of college.  She was the only one from her
home town to go to college.  

    After she married, she could not teach in town (married women should
be home for their husbands!), but she taught in country schools where
they could hire no one else.  She lived at the school and commuted home
on horseback for the weekends.  She **loved** her teaching; she taught
in one-room schools, she taught first grade, she taught high school
English and History.  She influenced hundreds of children.  Her fondest
memories were of students, not of her children.  I was sure that I would
be a teacher, too -- just like her.  Mary was justifiably proud that her
teaching salary kept them "off the dole" in the 30's.

    She homesteaded her own land, to which she was passionately
attached, even though they could never earn a living there (not enough
water for farming).  They raised four children in a three room home with
no running water during the Depression.  They had no near neighbors, and
could be cut off from town for months in the winter, but they had a lot
of books.  They still spent summers there in the late 60's.  I remember
visiting and taking baths in the FRONT YARD in a metal tub and washing
clothes by hand (I thought it was fun -- but I was 8).

   My grammy was a tiny woman -- not quite 5 feet tall; her hair was
pure white since middle age.  She looked like the archetypical grandma,
yet she was NOT cuddly, she didn't like babies, and I never saw her bake
cookies.  She was not afraid of anyone and could never conceive of
teachers having problems with discipline.  She quit a job that she
enjoyed because she was earning less than the male teacher ("and I was
BETTER", she said).  The community protested and she was rehired  -- yet
she didn't consider this feminism, just common sense!

   She was the first adult that I realized was a PERSON -- with
problems, and mistakes, and talents.  

  >>  What do I owe to her?

	She was a shining example of a determined, intelligent, independent
woman who worked for the things she believed in;  she expects no less of us.

Barbi
825.8Mom jangled when she walked...SCARY::M_DAVISMarge Davis HallyburtonThu Nov 09 1989 20:1822
    One little incident about my Mom is pretty telling:
    
    My brother Bob was on scholarship at college and needed to make a
    certain amount of money during the summer to supplement that, or chance
    losing the scholarship.  He was having a great deal of difficulty
    procuring employment and the summer was moving on...
    
    Mom decided that she hadn't yet called in her chits in the political
    arena, and called Representative Robert Michel, our local rep...also
    a bigwig in GOP circles.  He had plenty of patronage to spread around
    to good, loyal political workers.
    
    Mom explained Bob's plight and asked if there was a chance Michel could
    find him work.  She added that she had been an election judge for many
    years.  Michel came back with a job on the highway crew which more than
    satisfied the scholarship requirement.  
    
    What Mom *failed* to tell Michel is that she had been a DEMOCRATIC
    election judge for many years.  :^) :^) :^)
    
    luvit,
    Marge
825.9They've helped make me who I amJAIMES::GODINShades of gray matterThu Nov 16 1989 18:38115
There have been a number of strong and memorable women in my life.  
Perhaps that's because I grew up in a part of the Western United 
States that was still close to being a frontier (this WAS a number
of decades ago, remember).  Frontier women had to be strong to 
survive.  They had to be able to work right along beside their men 
and carry on with the usual chores of homemaking and childbearing 
and rearing at the same time.  I've always had a warm admiration for 
the frontier women I've known and heard about.  One of my favorite 
pieces of art is a statue made of Western sandstone that is displayed 
in a number of towns in the West -- The Madonna of the Trail.  She 
stands tall (taller than a real-life man), infant cradled in the crook 
of her right arm, a rifle gripped by her strong left hand.  She wears 
a sunbonnet to shade her eyes from the blazing sun of the open 
prairies, and there are work boots showing beneath the hem of her 
dress.  The handles of a plow extend beside her.  Her face is strong 
and determined.  Little would dare to get in the way of this woman.  
She was my idol when I was young, and she earns my respect as an adult, 
because now I have a better appreciation of what she had to contend 
with.

The women who have had the greatest impact on my life share many of 
the qualities of the Madonna of the Trail.

One is my maternal grandmother, Laura Mabel Barnard Butler.  She and 
her parents, sisters, and brothers came by covered wagon from Eastern 
Kansas to the dry Colorado plains in search of some land they could 
rent to farm with the hopes that in time they'd be able to buy 
it.  With a high school education and a few classes at the state 
normal school, she was accredited to teach in the one-room schools 
of southeastern Colorado.  She told us tales of those days, and I 
was convinced the tales were true.  Only after her death, when I 
recounted some of those tales to my mother did I learn that my 
grandmother had a wonderfully creative imagination that, had she 
written her tales, would have made her a frontier author.  She 
married late in life then went on to bear four children, the last 
two twins.  This while living in a four-room adobe house with no 
electricity or central heating or running water, a horse and wagon 
as the only transportation into town 12 miles away, no prepared baby 
food, no disposable diapers, no child care provider.  The double 
whammy of the Depression and the Dust Bowl added to the trials she 
had to face, forcing her and her family off the farm and into town.  
She returned to teaching to help feed the family, but by now 
accreditation standards were higher and there were fewer schools 
that would accept a teacher without a college degree.  But the 
country schools still did, and she taught three and four grades at 
a time until well into the 1950s.  As she aged, life's adversity 
etched a determined look into her face.  Yet she was always gentle 
and patient and welcoming, and those who knew her realized the 
apparent hardness was caused by a determination to survive, not by 
anger or ill-will.  She set great store in being a "lady," and 
observed the manners of her day strictly.  Even her best friends 
were referred to as Mrs. or Miss, never by their given names.  She 
made the best fried chicken I've ever tasted; her watermelon pickles 
were tender and sweet; and the peaches she canned annually until the 
year she died were as close to fresh as possible to get in a 
Colorado winter.  My admiration for Grandma Butler led me to become 
a teacher, to use my creative skills in writing, and to strive to be 
gentle and kind.

In direct contrast to my lady-like maternal grandmother, my paternal 
grandmother was a bull-dozer.  Savola Iola Cole Schroeder was a 
pampered daughter of a "town" family, which was supposed to mean 
they had money instead of goods to trade for store-bought items.  
She grew up used to getting her own way, and never changed.  But to 
me that was much more admirable than the door-mat behavior being 
taught me as the "right" way to win men and influence my future.  
Grandma did whatever she felt was good and necessary regardless of 
what any of the neighbors might say.  She pulled on a pair of 
Grandpa's overalls and cleaned out the pig pen or drove the tractor.  
She had her naturally-wavy hair cut at the barbershop.  When her 
circulation got bad, she wore colored knee-high socks over her 
stockings to keep her legs warm, regardless of how people might 
stare at her.  When I got engaged she was horrified to learn that 
my intended hadn't given me a diamond engagement ring, then almost 
equally horrified when she learned there wasn't going to be any 
vocal music at the wedding.  Unless I changed my mind and arranged 
for a soloist, she threatened to stand up in the middle of the 
ceremony, pull the hymnal from the pew rack, and ask the gathering 
to sing her favorite hymn along with her.  I wasn't at all sure she 
wouldn't do just that, but being just as stubborn, I refused.  She 
didn't follow through on her threat.  We were two of a kind, which 
scandalized my mother.  Charging right into the fray, righting wrongs, 
heedless of personal safety or the opinions of the masses.  I loved 
her take-charge approach.  If a clothesline needed hanging, or a tire 
changed, or a shelf built, or a tree felled, we'd do it; who needed 
to wait for some man to do it for us?  From her I learned to be 
strong, to be assertive, to define my goals and go for them, 
regardless of what others might say.

The third admirable woman in my life is my daughter, Laura Jane 
Lewis.  Most people seem to think that everything's come easy for 
Laura.  And it's true that her mettle hasn't been tested to the 
extent of the other two women I've told you about.  But I know how 
much courage and dedication, discipline and strength she's needed 
to accomplish her goals over the last 18 years.  Her scholastic 
record would make any parent proud.  Her social skills are well 
rounded and mature.  She uses her talents, innate and acquired, to 
beautify and improve the world around her.  She goes against the flow 
of the me-first world of her contemporaries and gives of herself to 
help others.  She has spent school vacations gutting tenements in New 
York City for Habitat for Humanity.  She has spent weekends walking 
for the hungry or the homeless.  She has spent evenings helping 
feed the hungry and the homeless at a soup kitchen in her community.
She is today's woman in the sense that she knows who she is and what 
she's worth and will stand up to any man who thinks it's his right 
to put her down.  She's cheerful and friendly.  She sincerely cares 
for people and listens to what they have to say.  She is living 
proof that one can be a feminist and still be feminine.  Not 
helpless, not dependent.  But strong and achieving and assertive and 
gentle and loving and caring and beautiful and graceful and soft.  
From her I've learned love and gentle assertion and how to make peace 
with myself.

Karen
                                 
825.10My grandmother LilyVAXWRK::GOLDENBERGRuth GoldenbergMon Nov 20 1989 20:5640
   The woman with the most influence on my life has been my maternal
   grandmother, Lily. What a tough stubborn old lady she is! She's still
   alive, although not really kicking, at 94.  She's been in a nursing
   home for the past year and a half. Recently we converted old home movies
   to videotape and I was reminded how truly formidable she was in her prime.

   She was born in Russia, I think in the Ukraine. She had 7 brothers 
   and sisters, mostly older. Her father mended samovars and other metal 
   objects. When he emigrated to the USA, my grandmother, a girl of
   around 10, carried on the mending secretly to keep the business
   going.

   When her father made enough money, he sent for all the rest of the 
   family. Her mother and a brother came down with smallpox (?) between 
   the Russian port and Liverpool and were put into quarantine in a
   Liverpool hospital. A Jewish family was somehow found who took the rest of 
   them in. None of them spoke any English. My grandmother says she
   was the one who learned enough English to order fish and chips for the 
   rest of them. 

   One of her jobs, after she got to the states, starting in her
   mid-teens, was working in a mattress factory.  She became foreman, a
   job almost always reserved for men then (and even now).

   Later in her life her mother got sick and had to move to Florida. 
   50-odd years ago, at a time when I believe many women didn't drive at all,
   my grandmother made the round trip from Boston to Florida with my 
   mother and uncle every winter to see her. 

   My earliest memories of her are from around 35 years ago. An extremely 
   strong-willed woman, she ran her immediate family and most of her 
   brothers' and sisters' families. She used to say there was nothing she 
   didn't do - she painted the house, she did carpentry, etc. 

   From her example, I learned that being female was not a limiting
   condition. From resisting her domination and fighting to keep my own 
   space, I acquired some of her strength and will. I feel certain I
   inherited much of my stubborness from her.

   reg
825.11My GrandmotherHENRYY::HASLAM_BACreativity UnlimitedTue Nov 21 1989 15:4041
    Another vote for a grandmother!
    
    My maternal (and only) grandmother, Leonora Lucina Crans, was one
    of three daughters.  Her family originally emigrated to America
    during a pogrom against the Jews in Poland.  When they arrived in
    Kansas, they shortened their name from Kranski to Crans, so they
    wouldn't be persecuted for their religious beliefs. 
    
    My grandmother, being the oldest, was the daughter who nursed her
    dying mother (TB) and stood by her bedside to be instructed on how
    to bake bread.  She was eight at the time.  After her mother's death,
    she was sent to live with an aunt who beat her and used her as a
    maid.  She finally was allowed to return home, and finished growing
    up.  When she was eighteen, Grandma met the man of her dreams. 
    He was everything she ever wanted, and she was thrilled when he
    proposed.  Her hero seduced her, got her pregnant, and left to return
    home.  When Grandma found out her condition, she packed up and went
    to find him only to discover, to her horror, that he was a married
    man with two children.  Having nowhere to turn in her shame, my
    grandmother bought a dime store ring, changed her name and added
    a Mrs. to it.  She had my mother, and raised her to revere her father
    as "the most wonderful man God ever let breathe."  She told my mother
    that her father had died in an early motorcar accident and reassured
    her as to how happy he had been when he knew she was to be born.
    My grandmother struggled through the depression alone, and had to
    place my mother in orphanages as a "day student" because there was
    no adequate childcare available.  After my mother was married, had
    children and was deserted by my father, my grandmother accepted
    the job of taking care of my sister and me while my mother worked.
     By this time, Grandma had a serious heart condition and arthritis
    of the spine that caused her to walk permanently bent over.  She
    was the person who loved me simply because I was me.  When I wanted
    to learn to play the piano, she bought me one on time, and paid
    for it for five years, a few dollars a month out of her pension
    check; then, she paid for me to have lessons.  Because of her strength,
    I have been able to be strong in spite of the beatings and abuse
    of the past.  Even in death, I continue to draw on the strength
    of her love for me.  Because of her courage, I can face today and
    look forward to tomorrow.
    
    Barb
825.12Another grandmotherULTRA::GUGELAdrenaline: my drug of choiceWed Nov 29 1989 16:4517
    
    My maternal grandmother, though I never knew her very well, as she
    died when I was 5 years old.  However, it's what I know about her
    life that inspired me.
    
    First, she was the oldest child of eight, which is exactly where I am.
    So when I was young and thought to myself "my parents don't understand
    me because they were the youngest in their families", I sometimes
    remembered that my grandma had my position, and wherever she was,
    she understood.
    
    Second, she, and all her sisters, and all her brothers, went to college,
    *and* graduated with 4-year degrees.  Her father insisted on it.
    Remarkable for 1910.  When a neighbor said to him, "What on earth
    did he hope to gain by sending his *daughters* to college, he retorted
    that if they learned to mind their own business, he would consider it
    money well spent.